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Published Date:
07 November 2006
TWO Iraqi exiles living in Edinburgh - including a former colonel in Saddam Hussein's army - today said that they welcomed the death sentence handed out to the dictator.
Mohammed Nafee said he and his family cheered with delight when the "Butcher of Baghdad" was sentenced to hang.

And Dr Kadhim Khweir, a consultant engineer, said he too greeted the result with joy - even though he doesn't agree with capital punishment.

The former Iraqi president was sentenced to "suffer the death penalty by hanging" by Judge Raouf Abdul Rahman on Sunday, for the 1982 massacre of 148 men from Dujail, just one of the atrocities committed under Saddam's rule. The trial took more than a year, cost millions of dollars and saw three defence lawyers assassinated and two judges replaced, while Saddam refused to recognise its legitimacy.

But 51-year-old Mr Nafee, who served in Saddam's army for 20 years before fleeing the country in 1996, said that he had seen "more than enough" to convince him the death penalty was deserved.

"We were watching the television for hours, waiting for the result to be read out," he said.

"When it was announced I immediately got on the phone to friends in Iraq to congratulate them. I have no doubt that he deserves the death penalty, and the people of Iraq would not have accepted any other verdict."

He added: "Everyone there knows what he was, what he did and the number of people he killed during his 33 years in charge, so they all expected this decision. Even his daughter said it was expected.

"Saddam was nervous about it, and what we saw from him in court is typical, playing up to the cameras. The people know he is not brave or defiant. He is a coward. The image of him cowering in his rat hole in Tikrit when he was captured showed us that.

"If he was not a coward he would have killed himself there, but he did not."

Mr Nafee said that under Saddam's rule, conspirators who plotted against him were torn to shreds by dogs. He also said he saw the cruelty the former dictator dished out against the Kurds of northern Iraq first-hand.

"When I heard the stories of the people on the stand, I understood what they were saying because I was in the army at the time," he said. "I was in the barracks where they brought more than a thousand Kurds, who were just put in holes in the ground and then tortured. This happened to thousands of people, and I think many of them were later executed.

"When I realised Saddam was using the army against his own people I knew I had to leave. I heard from other men that they had burned a village in Basra and killed civilians there because they opposed Saddam, and I thought if he asked me to do this I would not be able to and I would be killed. So I escaped."

Now a musician living with his family in Leith, Mr Nafee said he hoped to still return to Iraq. But on a recent visit, one of his cousins was kidnapped by terrorists and held for weeks before being freed by American soldiers.

"I would love to go back, but at the moment it just isn't possible," he said. "Iraq will have problems as long as there is a religious government. A rule based on Islamic law will only divide the people. The situation now has less to do with Saddam and more to do with religious divisions."

Consultant engineer Dr Khweir, 52, from South Gyle, came to Edinburgh in 1986, and the first Gulf war forced him to stay. Originally from Najaf, he is now married with four children. He said he was sure that the verdict was the correct one.

"I would watch repeats of it [the trial] at night after I got in from work," he said. "Sometimes, when the witnesses were giving their evidence and would break down in tears, I would also break down.

"Like many Iraqis, I lost a lot of friends under Saddam's rule. I can remember two colleagues of mine, men I had known for many years, who were accused of discussing the war with Iran. They were taken away and then a few weeks later their families received their bodies. They had been tortured and executed."

Dr Khweir added: "I do not agree with the death penalty, but I think Saddam deserves to be put to death, because he killed so many people himself. But I do not want revenge, just justice."

Brown backs Blair in opposition to death sentence for deposed dictator


CHANCELLOR Gordon Brown today backed Tony Blair in stating British opposition to the death penalty for former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Mr Brown said the British Parliament had voted against the death penalty but the decision on whether to execute was up to the Iraqi authorities.

"We as a British parliament have voted against the death penalty and the general view in Britain is that the death penalty is unacceptable," he said. "But we are operating under the laws of Iraq here and it is a decision for the Iraqi authorities."

His remarks came after the Prime Minister said yesterday that he was opposed to the death penalty in the case of Saddam. But he said that decisions on whether the former dictator should be executed for his crimes were for the Iraqi courts to make. The Chancellor's remarks came as Saddam returned to court in Baghdad today for his genocide trial, two days after another Iraq panel convicted him of crimes against humanity and sentenced him to hang.

Saddam found his way quietly to his seat among the other six defendants charged over the Operation Anfal crackdown against Iraqi Kurds in the late-1980s. On Sunday, Saddam was convicted over the deaths of nearly 150 Shia Muslims following a 1982 assassination attempt against him in the town of Dujail in 1982. The case is subject to appeal, and the Anfal trial will continue while the appeal is under way.

His re-appearance in court coincided with calls for the former dictator to be kept alive as a "symbol of evil".

British soldier killed in attack on base


A BRITISH soldier was killed after an army base in Iraq came under small arms fire, the Ministry of Defence said today.

The soldier, from the 2nd Battalion The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, died as a result of fire on a coalition forces base in Basra, in the south of the country. The MoD said there were no other casualties in the incident.

The family of the soldier, who has not yet been named, have been informed of the death, an MoD spokeswoman said.

The full article contains 1169 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 November 2006 1:09 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Saddam Hussein
 
1

john 1,

07/11/2006 12:28:22

I was appalled that in this new millenium that anyone is still advocating execution. It will only incite racial tension and more hatred. Put him on some island like the Romans did or even Elba. Who are we to advocate death when we only know what we have been told by biased oil hungry nations. At the same time the US duffer could be put on the island with him and let them argue it out.

2

ray,

07/11/2006 12:36:34

Why are these two people still living in exile in Edinburgh when Saddam Hussein has been overthrowen ?

3

Ang,

07/11/2006 12:51:15

#2 - Why are they still living in Edinburgh? Why not? Edinburgh is presumably more pleasant than most of Iraq at the moment. Perhaps the two exiles simply like it here?

As for Mr Khweir, he is a researcher at Herior Watt University (SEE http://www.sbe.hw.ac.uk/staff/res/khweir.htm) so that would seem to be the reason he is here.

4

Paul Voltaire,

http://paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 07/11/2006 13:07:40

Well, you wouldn't expect refugees from Saddam's reign to say they were upset.
He is going to swing,though not in the same way as Frank Sinatra.

5

Brad Bovine,

07/11/2006 13:14:39

Saddam wasn't supprted by the mafia either

6

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 07/11/2006 13:20:29

I bet Saddam wishes he'd been tried here - he'd have gotten off with 100 hours Community Service.

7

Darren,

07/11/2006 13:33:39

he should be hung in public, live on tv. they could even sell it on PPV and all the PPV money could go to iraq lol.... have to say..... those who say we shouldnt have went to war..... saddam wouldnt have been found guilty and would still have beeen murdering people...... to have peace you have to prepare for war.....

8

Ariel,

07/11/2006 13:34:11

And this edinburgh based Iraqi ex-Colonel was a traitor that supported the illegal and genocidal invasion of his country destroying industry, ancient history and 600,000 people..after usa/uk/israel sanctions that killed over 2 million (UN figure) of his people!

In Nazi Germany there were many jews who collaborated against their people..

This traitor Iraqi should be ashamed to crawl out again from his dark hole.

9

deb,

07/11/2006 14:02:09

if they don't execute saddam, what happens? for as long as he lives, supporters will use bombings and kidnappings and terror and extortion to demand his release, just like hamas and hezb'allah are always demanding prisoner exchanges from israel.
but if he is executed, he becomes a martyr, and supporters will rampage with terror and bombings and kidnappings and beheadings.

better he should have been taken out when he was found, like his sons. but too late.
best to get it over with quickly.

and for a man who executed his people with mustard gas, and vats of acid, and shredders, and the like, he should be grateful to go relatively quickly and easily.

10

JUSTICE FOR ALL,

07/11/2006 14:11:52

now that saddam has been given the death penalty,B LIAR is trying to squeeze some votes from the non-hanging brigade by saying he's not in favour of the death penalty. Will somebody please remind us why we were dragged into this phony war that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, & billions that could have been put to good use

11

Ian2,

07/11/2006 14:19:21

Congratulations to rupert #8 for waiting a whole 7 answers before bringing in a Nazi analogy, your Godwin award is on its way.

A little bit cheating going on though, as these Iraqi exiles were part of the ruling elite when they turned coat, whereas jewish collaborators were part of the oppressed.

So, apart from being entirely inappropriate, your analogy is sound.

12

Ariel,

07/11/2006 14:33:51

My point is :the traitor helping the Nazis (UK/USA/ISRAEL).

13

Ariel,

Ian2 07/11/2006 15:19:00

This Colonel was not ruling elite but a poor "oppressed Shia ".

14

Ariel,

Ian2 07/11/2006 15:25:47

He is a little lord "Hawhaw"

15

Fred,

Old Town 07/11/2006 16:25:23

He must be the only Iraqi in Edinburgh, they dragged him out for comment before the war, with his banjo as well last time.

We dont practice the death penalty in this country, as its completely barbaric, he should have some respect for our beliefs.

16

bikerider1,

07/11/2006 16:35:26

rupert are you at the wind up mate or are you really that deluded?
to accuse this country of being nazis, after the hundreds of thousands from here, who died or were wounded to overthrow that hated regime. you should hang your head in shame

17

deb,

07/11/2006 16:36:32

fred,
the death penalty is barbaric indeed!
does your country practice the death penalty for unwanted pre-borns who have never committed a crime?

18

Ian2,

07/11/2006 16:38:51

Rupert #12-14, so just who was oppressing this Iraqi ? Was it the AmeriNazis or Saddam-Nazis, or both ?

The jewish turncoats collaborated with their oppressor, so are you saying this Shia Iraqi did the same collaborating with the AmeriNazis, therefore the AmeriNazis were oppressing the Shias, as well as being oppressed by the Saddam-Nazis ?

And Lord Hawhaw was a Nazi too.

So this Iraqi was a Nazi, being oppressed by Nazis, who turned against his own Nazis to collaborate with another bunch of Nazis ?

Yes, it's all beginning to make sense now.

19

bill, england,

england 07/11/2006 17:08:55

deb 17

Well said.

Life is the most valuable gift there is, and the taking of it is the biggest crime in the book.

No argument, everybody knows it, but life is getting cheaper all the time.

20

deb,

07/11/2006 17:30:32

bill, true. and to our great shame, my country permits the termination of babies who would be viable outside the womb if they were allowed to be born.
barbaric is a profound understatement.
but at least we are consistent, we allow killing of the guilty as well (tho' we make sure it doesn't hurt).

but i would say that life has always been cheap, throughout the long history of mankind.
we who live in nations governed by laws and not by the whim of the dictator are fortunate indeed. we so easily condemn as barbarians those who have lived the black fear of the knock at the door, who find their disappeared relative in a shallow grave of hundreds, who have seen the man on the street with no tongue and no hand.
for those who have lived in fear of their lives, perhaps blair is right, they should have the right to exact their own vengeance. and perhaps they should not be condemned by those of us who live with the full expectation of safety in a country of laws with basic human rights.

21

Ariel,

07/11/2006 18:05:40

Ian2...are you Jewish?

22

the snooper,

07/11/2006 18:16:34

that good. now this couple can return to irag and stop living of the british taxpayers.

23

Ariel,

Rupert 07/11/2006 18:41:20

Considering that british taxpayers cash has decimated this traitors country you have a nerve!

All those british who believed the WMD lies at the expense of 1 million Iraqi babies deaths under5 years old..

24

Ariel,

Rupert 07/11/2006 18:43:11

He is too frightened to go and live in the tragedy that he helped create for his countrymen

25

bill, england,

england 07/11/2006 18:53:37

deb 20

Yes it is the same here.We have hospital surgeons killing babies one minute then struggling to save the lives of babies of the same age the next minute - how they get their heads round that I do not know. But this is the law, and our democratically elected government brought it in.

The UK countries have lived through barbaric times, and developed the rule of law which is the cornerstone of civilisation. We may not like it, we may disagree with it, but the rule of law must prevail; otherwise we go back to the dark ages which is where most of the Middle East is right now.

They have their ways and we have ours; the best thing we can do is keep well out of it and look after our own business.

The United Nations is there so we can all get along together; it is all we have and we have to use it or lose it.

Independent action outside of UN mandate always leads to disaster, and we live in disastrous times.

Hopefully things will get better not worse if diplomacy is given a chance. Jawjaw is better than warwar!

26

deb,

07/11/2006 21:37:29

bill
"jaw jaw" is useless if it is not backed up by a credible threat of "war war."
iran has been jawjawing with the eu three for years over their nuclear ambitions, and i don't see any progress on the issue.
european "soft power" is useless in the final analysis unless there is a believable threat of hard power to back it up.

27

bill, england,

england 07/11/2006 21:54:48

deb 26

Its more complicated than that. Russia/Central Asia is involved with Iran as they get oil out the Caspian to the Arabian Gulf through swaps, and there is a lot of money involved. Talks with the EU are just that - talks.

It is likely that Iran has nuclear arms already with things that went missing when the USSR broke up, so it is a dangerous situation. Also, they are not the only new country that might have nuclear weapons soon.

I agree with you, without hard power you're in a bad negotiating position and this is a bad time for the UK to consider nuclear disarmanent.

But its also a bad time to provoke the Middle East countries with senseless attacks which breed terrorism.

28

deb,

07/11/2006 22:12:39

"But its also a bad time to provoke the Middle East countries with senseless attacks which breed terrorism."

such as iraq.
but before iraq was invaded there was lots of "jawjaw" from the un. 18 resolutions, if i am not mistaken, and every one ignored. how many resolutions is enough?

and had terrorists been bred before iraq? takeover of us embassy in iran in 79, marine barracks in lebanon in 82, achille lauro incident, lockerbie crash incident, the attack on the uss stark, the attack on two embassies in africa, the first attack on the world trade center, the attack in oklahoma city (which some believe had a middle eastern hand behind it). and of course 9-11.

i do agree that the invasion of iraq created more terrorists, though. for the longest time they were pouring over the border of syria into iraq and i simply could not understand why our military was not stopping them. it seemed like they were rolling out the welcome mat for them. i belatedly realized, that is exactly what was happening. call them all to iraq to their ultimate deaths. make iraq the battlefield, not the us.

well, there's certainly never a good time to provoke them.

29

bill, england,

england 07/11/2006 22:26:16

deb 28

I think the big mistake was not to continue and finish the job after the First Gulf war; it could have been done. Unfortunately Maggie lost her job due to treachery in the Conservative ranks, otherwise it would have been done. The French were outside Baghdad ready to move in, air superiority was total and the Iraq army was on the run, but George Bush I did not have the guts to finish off his old friend. The sanctions achieved nothing other than to kill a lot of inncoent people and reinforce opposition.

All those examples of terrorist attacks except the Iran embassy one were reaction to the formation of Israel and subsequent events with the USA supporting Israel. The Iran one was reaction to the Iraq/Iran war when the USA was supporting Saddam.

While we are still have reserves we have to work out a better strategy than reinforcing defeat. A fresh bunch of politicians in the USA and UK might be able to do it, the current lot haven't a clue.

30

Cpt Incredible,

08/11/2006 13:33:59

Let us not forget that the world still has other terrorists who should be put on trial.
George Bush and Tony Blair are responsible for the deaths of more than 600,000 innocent people in Iraq, due to an illegal war based on lies.
They are no better than Saddam,especially the former, they just use different methods and false justifications to kill people.
I can't understand God telling George to do these things,he certainly works in mysterious ways.

31

Deorsa,

08/11/2006 20:00:37

I'm dead against the death penalty, even in this case. I don't think the capital punishment suits the ideals of a "civilised world".

I would have preferred to have Saddam tried before the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

This trial has now been a political trial. In Iraq, it could not have become anything else. I don't think there has ever been any doubt that the outcome would be the death penalty. How hypocritical of US and UK politicians to oppose to this now, after -knowing this- having a Iraqi court and lawyers (some of which have been murdered) do their dirty work !

I suppose they consider this good riddance, and their hands clean !

32

123455555,

England 09/11/2006 20:23:07

I do not believe in hanging, however Saddam Hussien killed thousands of innocent people, he supported torture and ruined the lives of so many, I believe he sentence to hang is the best sentence for him. He has no right to live, there is no place for people like him in our world.


 

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