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Police sickened as violence among fans mars UEFA Cup



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Published Date: 15 May 2008
POLICE in Manchester say they had been left "sickened and disappointed" by the violence that marred Rangers' clash with Zenit St Petersburg in the city.
A Russian fan was taken to hospital after being stabbed inside the City of Manchester Stadium following last night's game, while 42 fans were arrested across the city after clashing with riot police.

Trouble flared up in the city centre at around
7.30pm when a big screen relaying the match – which Zenit won 2-0 – broke down at the Piccadilly Gardens fan zone.

Riot police faced hostile Rangers fans, many of whom had been drinking for a number of hours and who began throwing bottles and cans at the police, forcing officers to back off before charging them to restore order.

Assistant Chief Constable Justine Curran of Greater Manchester Police said: "(It) has been a largely peaceful day in Manchester, full of carnival and celebration, and well over 100,000 people have been in the city and behaved themselves.

"But I'm really disappointed that has been spoiled by pockets of disorder that have broken out in the city centre. A minority of thugs have overshadowed what should have been a great occasion.

"I've watched them commit damage, assault my officers, and I'm sickened and disappointed."

At the stadium, a Zenit fan was stabbed in the back shortly before the game but his injuries were reported as non-life threatening.

Police have confirmed that six men, all believed to be Rangers fans, have been arrested in connection with the incident.

Across Manchester city centre, streets were strewn with rubbish, cans of beer and broken glass after 100,000 Rangers fans descended on the city.

Scores of bleary-eyed fans awoke hung over and shivering in the early morning, heading for the train station to begin the journey home, after sleeping in doorways, using their flags as blankets.

Train stations in Manchester were crammed full of fans trying to return to Scotland this morning, although British Transport Police said there had been no violence on services leaving the city. Thousands are expected to return to Waverley station later today.

Some Rangers fans have blamed the council's "shambolic" organisation for the violence , but another said the behaviour of supporters left him "ashamed to be a Scotsman".

Rangers today cancelled their plans for an open-top bus tour through Glasgow, following the death of former Celtic manager Tommy Burns.

Club chiefs said that it would be "inappropriate" to carry out their plans for a parade, which was expected to welcome the team home.

• The violent scenes in Manchester may cause cities to rethink putting on big screen showings of football matches, an academic warned today.

Hooligan expert John Williams from the University of Leicester said the sheer number of fans in Manchester last night created a powder keg that blew up when Rangers lost. Frustration at the failure of the big screen may also have triggered the violence, he said.





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  • Last Updated: 15 May 2008 2:27 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Arm in the back of a cow,

Slitsville, Wisconsin 15/05/2008 11:58:16
Well, how can anyone be surprised? Big soccer match, big soccer riots. It's like night following day.

What a stupid sport. Perhaps if it wasn't so low scoring and stupefyingly dull, these "fans" might not be so bored and would pay more attention to the game. As it is, they'd rather get drunk and beat each other up.

I've said it before but I'll say it again: soccer is for losers. Or should that be for people who enjoy games that end 0-0?
2

Lianachan,

Highlands 15/05/2008 12:00:19
These "fans" are a disgrace, and an embarrassment to the good name Scottish fans generally have.
3

Sheep Worrier,

Looking down on you 15/05/2008 12:01:44
Unfortunately, Manchester was relativly easy for the pondlife to get to. As opposed to staying in their schemes all day, drinking 'wine' and fighting, they decided to do it in Manchester instead.

Bravo you morons. Has Hadrians Wall been rebuilt to keep them from coming back into Scotland?
4

Lianachan,

Highlands 15/05/2008 12:02:46
#1 Sorry it's not high scoring enough for you. I can never understand why Americans, in general, can never understand why even a 0-0 draw can be an excellent and entertaining game.
5

Capital Boy,

15/05/2008 12:02:56
scotlands shame
6

Furious,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:03:14
Yes this is the Rangers fans we all no and love (not).
"Rangers fans have blamed the council's "shambolic" organisation, but another said the behaviour of supporters left him "ashamed to be a Scotsman." Shouldn't be ashamed of being Scottish just a Rangers supporter.
7

Sheep Worrier,

Ach 15/05/2008 12:07:02
#6

Rangers fans are Scottish now? Could have fooled me watching the Union Jacks and Ulster flags on TV.
8

Chip Stencil II,

15/05/2008 12:10:35
It's a shame that the media are portraying these animals as representing Scotland. The BBC called them "the Tartan Army". How wrong could they be - they wave Union Jacks, wear England tops, sing sectarian songs about an Irish war and have done their best to destroy Scottish football through corruption. Glasgow should not be classed as Scotland where football is concerned. Also - "minority" my erse - did that look/sound like a minority singing illegal sectarian abuse to anyone? I hope UEFA hammer them, and the SPL corruption scandal sinks them for good.
9

Jane Plane,

15/05/2008 12:12:19
Its a pity that the comments are falling into the trap of slating the rangers fan or football fan. Does it matter what 'group' these people belong to ? They are violent neds. They ARE a disgrace to whatever country they came from. Its the 'booze culture' that we have that is to blame.

A friend of mine went to the AC Milan/Inter Milan game at old trafford (Champions League Final) a few years back and witnessed the italians drinking water and coffee whilst all the UK fans were bladdered.

Neds are neds and drunk neds are dangerous and disgraceful no matter what 'group' they belong to.

I'm totally disgusted with the whole sorry episode.
10

Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:13:09
#1 This is rich coming from someone who lives in the country where it takes 4 hours to play a 60 minute game because they keep having to stop and tell the participants how to play the game!!!
11

not a rangers/celtic fan,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:14:02
Walter Smith is a disgrace! All this talk about Rangers European run being good for Scottish football is a joke. What would've been good for Scottish football is for him to finish the job at Scotland and qualify for the euros...instead Rangers take their "fans" down to Manchester and embarass the whole nation. If Rangers had cared one bit about Scotland I might have cared one bit about them in Europe, however as it stands I don't. I cheered on Zenit with passion and the best team won. I never thought I would be singing the praises of Dick Advocaat, but I was!
12

Lianachan,

Highlands 15/05/2008 12:16:03
#6 & #8

The BBC described them as "Scottish fans" last night. You may rest assured that if they'd won the UEAFA cup, they would have been British!

I'm not a Celtic fan, but I don't support Rangers in Europe precisely because they are a British team rather than a Scottish one and therefore worthy of the same level of my support as, say, Chelsea.
13

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 15/05/2008 12:38:05
Its a pity they didnae rebuild Hadrians wall all around England then fill it up with water.
14

Arrow,

edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:41:38
after all the efforts to clean up the image of Scottish football this bunch of numpties blow it all in an hour. protest all you want that they were not the "Tartan Army" but the perception in England is that they are Scottish and therefore all Scots are the same. having watched the "fans" being interviewed on Breakfast TV yesterday morning I noted there were a great deal of them with cans of booze. having listened to some i was surprised that there not sub-titles to allow non-wegie speakers to understand. as for those kids that, with their parents, took time off during exams, they deserve to fail.
they have brought shame to Glasgow and Scotland.
15

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:45:04
#1 - away and bile yer heid. Try talking about something you do understand - like glorified rounders, maybe? If football (not soccer - and not that rubbsih you call football) is for losers, then there are a helluva lot of losers around the world getting excited about it! This from the country which stages The World Series, and then doesn't let anyone else play...
16

The Super Woofer,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:48:55
#12 - Oh aye, Celtic are a braw advert for 'Scottish' football right enough. See lots of Saltires flying frequently there!! Get a grip! Oh, and what a surprise, you don't like Chelsea either....

I would suspect that there are more than 42 people arrested in Manchester each and every Friday / Saturday night from alcohol / drugs.

One series of pictures doing the e-mail circuit are of a Rangers fan being mauled by a Polis dug. I think Manchester's finest have to be held accountable also for their bad management of the crowd.

As for the telly situation...hardly a surprise that a large group of people, for any event, who have been out in the sun drinking alcohol all day were upset and vented their anger and frustration.

At the end of the day, the Manchester economy is boosted, nae-one's deid and life goes on. Get over it.
17

Tofeeman,

Edinburgh north of Liverpool. 15/05/2008 12:50:32
What a contrast to the UEFA cup final between two Spanish sides held in Glasgow last year.

They're Scottish in the majority
18

Chip Stencil II,

15/05/2008 12:52:46
#16 to quote the Manc police chief: "we've made more arrests than on New Years Eve" - oh, and someone got stabbed.
19

Lianachan,

Highlands 15/05/2008 13:03:17
#16 That's funny, I don't recall commenting on Celtic at all - other than saying I'm not a Celtic supporter. How are Celtic in any way relevant to this discussion?
20

AJ Fife,

15/05/2008 13:05:17
It was all so predictable!

At least the rest of the world can now make a distinction between Rangers fans and proper Scottish football fans, by courtesy of the daft wee Union Flags they were all waving.
21

Beavers,

Auld Reekie 15/05/2008 13:07:47
I wonder how many soap dodgers came out the closet for this trip to Manchester having never been to a Rangers game in years, it was an accident waiting to happen...
22

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:09:23
Ban football
23

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:09:26
Ban football
24

Randan,

15/05/2008 13:14:58
Another idiot response brought to you from Petrol Head.
The person who brought you 'Scotland has no alcohol problem cos I don't', 'Cars should be able to mow down cyclists cos cars are superior' and other drivel.
25

Listening,

15/05/2008 13:18:11
ANIMALS....

BAN THEM AND THEIR TEAM FROM EUFA COMPETITIONS FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 15/05/2008 13:19:32
Why don't fans throw bottles at Football matches in the US? Because folks concerned for their families would shoot people who threw bottles at them.

We need to take a page out of the American playbook and arm our law-abiding citizens to cull these animals. That and build a wall around Glasgow to stop them getting out of their pen.
27

Hibernia,

15/05/2008 13:19:46
#16 I hear that the dog that was seen in these pictures is recovering well at a local vets and they say it shouldnt be suffering from any long term effects after biting that supporter!
28

Bravetart,

15/05/2008 13:33:10
Unless Rangers wants to be forever associated with these kind of people then a life-time ban for any "fan" identified in yesterdays shame. They should also be forced to pay for the clean up and compensation for that officer who was set upon by what looked like a pack of wild dogs.

Rangers have a shadow over them of being a collection of sectarian bigoted neds. Well, evidence is pointing toward that being true unless they act to condemn immediately.
29

20something,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:35:12
There were loads of fans there, most of whom are decent people so will you lot calm yourselves. Screw the heaad back on and use some common sense.

The guys who caused the bother obviously don't have 2 brain cells and should probably have been locked up by our very own polis already for some form of neddery. If you want to blame someone blame them for not hanging the thugs when they have the chance.
30

Bemused and above it all,

15/05/2008 13:37:06
No excuse for the pond life,
however to tar all Rangers fans with the same brush is out of order.
Lets face it 42 arrests out of an estimated 150,000 (Manchester ACC in charge of policing last nights estimate quoted on bbc) shows how wide spread the trouble was.
As for trying to claim the moral high ground? GTF your gloating and goading shows you are no better than the scum that have tarnished the reputation of my club and country.
31

Arm in the back of a cow,

Slitsville, Wisconsin 15/05/2008 13:41:40
15.

Not knowing what I talk about?

I know about the riots at Heysel.

I know about the "Firms" and the "Ultras" and the number of police on duty for even the smallest match.

I know about the stuff that goes on before, during and after these stupid "World Cups" (aah, the World Cup: yeah, we just tied Bulgaria! Wo-hooo!).

I know about the emtpy-headed nastiness that goes on between Celtic and Rangers - stabbing, spitting, punching and all that stuff and chanting about paedophiles and rapists.

But what I know best of all that soccer is the world's most boring sport, so boring that it makes golf look like Ultimate Fighting.

Until the game is made more exciting, and the people who follow it have something worth watching, the violence is always going to be there.
32

20something,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:44:56
#31 Get yourself down to a game then while there's still a good chance of you getting hurt. You're a waste of oxygen on this earth.
33

Listening,

15/05/2008 13:48:52
Ban the idiots and their team!!!

That will send out a message loud and clear!

Doesn't matter how many were arrested this is not acceptable. The disruption will have been caused by at least 5 times more thamn the number arrested.

If decisive action is not taken swiftly that will send out its own message.
34

A NICE LASSIE,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:49:22
Once again some Rangers fans prove that they are nothing but scum. They blame everyone else but themselves. They bring shame on Scotland. what gives them the right to think that they are above everyone else? In reality they are complete low life's.

Complete idiots.
35

Nurse,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:49:58
Call them up for the armed forces send them to Iraq and give them something to "greet" about! Though i doubt they would pass the entrance medical with their beer bellies and ned attitudes.
This makes me glad to have left Glasgow a long time ago!! PS I agree that they are not Scottish waving the British flag like nutters.
36

Listening,

15/05/2008 13:50:39
#31, brain transplant imminent!!
37

Jane Plane,

15/05/2008 13:50:56
#29 & #30 Agreed. Esp with the comment that they are most probably the sort that we have had the opportunity to deal with properly in the past. I don't imagine that the troublemakers involved have never committed any sort of breach of the peace or violent act before. So those of you who decide that all rangers fans are 'the same' just ask yourself, if you were a law abiding citizen (like you all appear to be) would you throw bottles and trash cars if your local pub's telly wasnt working ? I dont think so.
You are either that way inclined or not and in every barrel there will always be a bad apple or two.
38

Fluffy,

edinburgh 15/05/2008 13:51:12
bunch of rangers jakies!!!
39

Listening,

15/05/2008 13:51:22
Last comment was for #30, sorry #31
40

Chip Stencil II,

15/05/2008 13:54:40
#30 Your head is in the sand There's a page on the BBC containing 6 or 7 different videos, each showing thousands of Rangers fans rioting in Manchester: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7401188.stm.
Read the Manchester Evening News site: "ambulance crews treated hundreds of walking wounded in one of their busiest ever nights": http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/
FACE FACTS.
I can't wait for the corruption scandal to break. I just hope this ugly incident hasn't overshadowed it.
41

Steve Evans,

Malta 15/05/2008 14:03:33
A sad day for Scotland.
42

whitepuddinsupper,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 14:06:56
#31 No you dont know what you are talking about, how could you from way over there. All major european countries have their own versions of ultras and football thugs. Its particularly bad in Spain and italy at the moment.
Football is involved because its the most popular sport in europe and its the crowds that appeal to the thugs. Crowds mean chaos and a chance to get their yobbo clone mugs on the telly challenging the police like neandrethals just so they can be the big man to their pals later. Sad as f**k but there will always be this element.
43

Phil C,

15/05/2008 14:34:31
#16 Hoofer Doofer

That will be the pictures of the dog 'mauling' some ugly Bun under the heading- Dog taken for Tetanus jag! Funny as hell! Not so funny were the Jambos who thought they would have rioted in the same circumstances!
44

Arm in the back of a cow,

Slitsville, Wisconsin 15/05/2008 14:45:10
43.

Yes, that's right. All major european countries have their own vesions of ultras and football thugs. In fact, it's a problem around the world. The sport is boring in every corner of the globe.

45

JamboJambo,

15/05/2008 15:00:20
I have to say I am appalled that in this 'pc' day and age a police dog was used to control the Rangers fans.

What about the possibility of disease, the psychological trauma, time of work, the medical bills and the scummy taste that dog must have in its mouth after biting a soap dodger.

Seriously though, hard lines on last nights result.
46

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15/05/2008 15:02:52
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47

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 15:03:12
#45 thankfully not all european countries have versions of you so just do us a favour and find a high building, climb to the top and jump? Do they have buildings in Wisconsin or just wooden huts?
48

Bemused and above it all,

15/05/2008 15:07:51
#37 #40 I need a brain transplant because I deplore bigots and am getting more than a bit p#ssed off with #rse's like you giving me grief because of who i support then calling ME a thug!
I grew up in a slum and have worked f##kin hard to get where I am, no-one helped me but I had a choice crime or decency, I chose decency. To have f''kwits like you insult me makes my blood boil and to be honest the boy from the slum wants to come out and play, I however can control that and I am able to self reflect and acknowledge my own role in situations. If you read the post you will see I condem the violent idiots, no excuses, yet for some reason I am stupid for having this view? GTF and get a life
49

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 15:10:45
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/dec/07/ussport.football

Arm up the cow boy have a look at this and explain it will you you clown. Some choice quotes...

"The European hooligan thing is really overdone by the US media - it's much worse here," admits Philly sports fan

"The stadium is beyond civilisation," a Vikings fan told a local paper

"I have never seen a more classless, vulgar, belligerent group of jack-asses in my entire life," wrote Dolphins fan Brian Fien after 20,000 "screaming green morons" visited Miami.

And whenever college football fans engage in riotous behaviour that would be considered a national scandal if it happened in Britain (as they frequently do), no one seems terribly inclined to call it hooliganism.

"We're a bunch of filthy, dirty, nasty, drinking bums. In a sense we take pride in that. We don't want you here. We want you to be afraid to come."

I could go on and on. Would be interested to hear your comments.


50

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 15:13:28
Petrillo has also worked security at Philadelphia Flyers ice hockey games where, he claims, violence is just as rife. "Especially in the play-offs. There's fights at every game. There was this guy in a [New Jersey] Devils jersey, just sat there minding his own business. A Flyers fan walked past him then just turned around and just beat the p1ss out of him."

A fan of English soccer, Petrillo has attended games at Highbury and Stamford Bridge. "I didn't see anything, not a thing - zero fistfights. I even saw the coach with the opposition team arrive - nothing, no banging on the sides, nothing. In the streets before, during, after the game - I felt completely 100% safe and secure."

51

whitepuddinsupper,

Edin 15/05/2008 15:37:38
Nice one GGTH#1.

Now that sounds like the same sort of mindless thuggery we have over here, but only bigger of course!


52

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 15:46:19
yeh whitepuddin notice he hasnt been back to defend himself. Understandable really as there is no defense!
53

Listening,

15/05/2008 15:54:38
#49 we do not have to insult you, and I haven't, as you are doing a pretty good job of it yourself.
54

Arm in the back of a cow,

Slitsville, Wisconsin 15/05/2008 15:59:25
I have been to hundreds of American sporting contests, college and professional. I've never been punched, kicked, stabbed, spat on, threatened with a broken bottle, gassed by policemen, urinated on, or intimidated in any way by rival fans. That's because all our games - in fact all other games EVER INVENTED IN THE WORLD - have more interest, drama and excitement than soccer.

You can quote all the newspaper garbage you like about "oh in this hockey match two fans pushed each other, and one fell over". I know all about the gutter standards of British journalism!

Face the facts, soccer weenies. Glorious games like baseball, football and basketball have been free from Heysels and Hillsboroughs. Police intervention is not required at the Super Bowl. Your sport is boring and it sucks. End of story.


55

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:06:47
Violence is craved by America’s entertainment industry and the same goes for America’s sports industry. In sports such as, hockey, football, and even baseball, violence has become an accepted part of the game.

A’Don Allen, sports director for ABC News Channel 36, in Elmira, New York, said that in hockey it is the fighting that keeps fans coming back to games.

56

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:07:01
thats american journalism
57

Abraham Lincoln,

15/05/2008 16:07:57
"I have been to hundreds of American sporting contests, college and professional. I've never been punched, kicked, stabbed, spat on, threatened with a broken bottle, gassed by policemen, urinated on, or intimidated in any way by rival fans"

I thought I recognised you. You're that chap in the blimp, aren't you?
58

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:12:00
arm in the back of a cow, do you have the expression "flogging a dead horse" in America?

If not please look it up. Because at the moment you are flogging a dead horse. please do not get excited by this in anyway. Thank you.
59

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:17:17
-In 1998, Denver Broncos fans rioted in the streets of Denver after their team won Super Bowl XXXII. Near-riots happened when the team won the Super Bowl again the following year and after the Colorado Avalanche's Stanley Cup wins in 1996 and 2001.
-A similar incident occurred in Oakland, California in 2003 when fans rioted and destroyed property after the Oakland Raiders loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII.
-In June 2001, Los Angeles Lakers fans stormed the streets of Los Angeles after the Lakers victory over the Philadelphia 76ers in the 2001 NBA Finals. Fans briefly celebrated by starting bonfires, it sooned turned into a riot, with fans dancing and stomping on parked cars, and even turning a news van over.
-In October of 2004, fans of the Boston Red Sox rioted just outside of Fenway Park after the Red Sox won the World Series for the first time in 86 years. Police used "pepper guns" in some cases, and a Boston University student was killed by a beanbag projectile which hit her in the temple.
-On November 19, 2004, near the end of an NBA game between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons, a massive brawl erupted between Pacers players and Pistons supporter
60

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:18:12
So it appears that the weapon of choice in the states is pepper spray and beanbag projectiles!! This is actually quite educational today.
61

Phil C,

15/05/2008 16:31:26
America Shamerica! Who gives a monkey's? Rangers are a disgrace and should be disqualified from all competitions immediately until they can behave. The Diddy Cup should also be returned to the rightful winners, DUFC.

This is the only fitting punishment for the following reasons:
for insulting their country,
for their crap 'industrial' play,
for waving silly red, white & blue flags,
for the vile bigotry flowing from the terraces,
for their beardy lawyers with blue noses,
for the behaviour of 'the few' and
for theft and fraud involving Scottish referees.
62

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 16:37:14
From what I can gather through a little bit of afternoon reading it appears as though the actual players whether it be hockey, American eggchasing or rounders are actually no more than trained hooligans. Fist fights and mass brawls are regular occurrences amongst the players so ultimately when it happens amongst the fans they find it difficult to categorise it as hooliganism as it is actually just the norm.

I suppose when compared to the multiple murders on the streets through firearms and gang violence etc it really isnt considered that big a deal if a few people get slapped about, cars get torched and turned over.
63

Cappo Del Monte,

15/05/2008 16:51:58
What really is sad, and what happened last night was a fore gone conclusion if the knuckledraggers got beaten.
Is the fact that the commentsd for a now dead great man of football have been closed due to yet again stupid narrow minded scum.
All the best to Tommy and heart felt sympathy to nis widow and kids
64

Bemused and above it all,

15/05/2008 16:54:56
#41 you got your seville calculator out again?

Just a quick point if we are all nasty racist scum, can anyone explain why one of the 'Rangers' fans looting the boots in the papers today is:
1)asian?
2)not wearing a rangers strip/scarf/colours?

Not justifying any violence or criminal activity but isnt there the slightest of chances that Manchester, a large city with considerable social problems, MIGHT just have its own neds who saw a chance and jumped on the bandwagon?
Of course not, it was all the racist thugs from ibrox, eh?
FFS
65

Bemused and above it all,

15/05/2008 16:56:17
#64 your joking? they closed the Tommy Burns thread?
That is shocking as it puts this into perspective.
Already expressed my condolonces to his family.
66

Bemused and above it all,

15/05/2008 17:03:16
Phil C

We probably will get a ban, to be honest probably deserve it, BUT lets get things in perspective, How many italian fans have been killed in violence this year? How many players/officials have been hit by objects at parkhead/pittodrie/easter road/tynecastle over recent seasons? When was the last time a fan got on the pitch and made contact with a player in a CL game?
I dont condone violence, it just bothers me that we will probably get hammered when others dont. All I ask is a level playing field, surely that is sporting integrity?
67

GGTTH#1,

15/05/2008 17:31:32
sporting integrity has no place on a rangers thread.
68

The Super Woofer,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 17:56:53
Why are there calls for a ban on the football club? To suggest is silly.

The Manchester Council should be asked to explain themselves for caving in to pressure and should have said No to the screens. A problem solved.

The 'riots' - what riots? There were a few isolated incidents and whilst it is unfortunately commonplace for groups of soccer fans to conduct themselves in that manner from time to time, I've seen bigger disturbances at Millwall games more frequently.

Typical media build up the party atmosphere and as soon as a couple of things get out of control, it's Rampaging Rangers fans disgrace etc.
69

Publilius Syrus,

S.W.A.L.L.Y. SirWantawayAbsenteeLandLord?Yes !!! 15/05/2008 19:33:24
Poor Sir Wantaway.

He`s got no chance of selling Rearrangers F.C now.

And with a European ban all but inevitable where will future financing come from.

From a financial perspective never mind Rangers` reputation across the globe,Rangers would have been better off not qualifying for that final.

The added damage to that club last night is just about incalculable.
Isn`t it.
70

Biker,

Ayr 15/05/2008 19:36:59
Super Woofer.In a vain attempt to make the event, manchester decided to run the match on big screen tvs at a couple of open areas. One of them breaks down and the "so called" fans go doolally. They kick the cr@p out of a copper , damage property and generaly cause mayhem. Rangers should be prevented from playing outside scotland for a few years, which will prevent the mugs who follow them with violence in mind from traveling.
If you have witnessed greater violence at a Milwall game, it makes no difference. These idiots need to be taken to task. I well remember going to matches with my dad and brothers. Fat chance of that happening now with all the drunk idiots in abundance
71

D Fiasco,

Borders 16/05/2008 10:42:37
Scotland has suffered a dispicable embarassment because of these pathetic, low-life wasters. What should have been hailed as a valiant attempt at victory by Scottish football has been reduced to farce and futility. I'm sure the fans of ZSP are laughing their heads off at how stupid all of us now look because of these idiots. I'm embarrased to be a citizen of Scotland today.

 

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