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Prostitution: 'Worst fears are now realised after new laws'



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Published Date: 15 April 2008
THOSE who supported the prostitution laws designed to take prostitutes off the streets can't say they weren't warned.
Judging by statistics released by the Edinburgh prostitute support group Scotpep, the worst fears of those who said prohibition would put the women in greater danger have been fully realised.

A doubling of the number of attacks since streetwalking
was effectively outlawed should be a matter of extreme concern, but the political mood swing away from tolerance means there is little chance of a return to the previous position, where the trade was allowed to continue in controlled zones away from residential districts.

Of course, the perpetrators of violence should be the first to be condemned, and there is no excuse for attacks on vulnerable women, no matter how they earn their living. But the fact remains that the new laws have put these women in greater danger than was previously the case.

Admittedly there are fewer women on the streets, but there is no evidence the numbers involved in prostitution have dropped and instead they are finding other clandestine ways to meet with clients. This should be no surprise, because the new regulations have done nothing to tackle the broader reasons for women selling themselves in this way – usually drug or alcohol addiction.

According to Scotpep, those who continue to work outdoors are more vulnerable to attack from the remaining customers, as the more "respectable" men have effectively been forced away, leaving the even more unsavoury individuals who don't care if they are prosecuted for kerb-crawling.

So much is made of the Swedish example, where buying sex was made illegal years ago, but it seems the vice trade is experiencing a resurgence. But a proper comparison with Sweden must include all social factors and not just anti-prostitution laws. Levels of drug addiction are far lower than here and the number of active prostitutes is accordingly low. Further, Swedes down on their luck also have a generous welfare safety net, which means fewer women are driven by economic necessity to go on The Game.

The kerb-crawling laws have done nothing to alter the desire of some men to buy sex and the majority who do not inflict violence, however sad or seedy, have been turned from otherwise law-abiding men into potential criminals.

Both groups of people are in need of help, not the force of criminal law or the condemnation of extremists.





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15/04/2008 09:44:57
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Alfred E. Neuman,

15/04/2008 10:30:10
Okay, I'll try that again but without the expletive.

Who gives a flier? Not me.

There are lots of free addiction recovery programmes.

Drugs can be bought with money earned at Tescos stacking shelves.

You can also prostitute yourself legally if you want to at a licensed sauna.

So where is the problem? Does a prostitute have the right to bring complex and adult issues into the full glare of a child on the doorstep of their family home? I would submit not.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 10:58:10
What if that prostitute is your child Alfred....?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

15/04/2008 11:07:03
3 Conker

Then I wouldn't want him/her prostituting themselves on the doorsteps of others.

Your emotional blackmail is pointless.

It is not that I don't care for these people. It's just that society does enough for them and a child's right to spend 10-15 years without having to see prostitutes screaming at men, men screaming at prossies, drug deals going on and general pimping exceeds the rights of these women.

What they and their customers and their dealers do is a crime you liberal dimwit. The rights of the innocent exceed the, um, used to exceed the rights of a criminal.
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Marga,

Fife 15/04/2008 11:18:59
Apart from finding the whole idea of prostitution retrograde, I tend to agree with Alfred. Why should members of the public be expected to act as unpaid security guards for these women on our streets. Let the men who want to engage in these practices take some responsibility for something - OK, they don't want the responsibility of a social relationship with women, so they must make their own arrangements. Don't make all of us pay.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 15/04/2008 12:07:37
POLL? RESULTS?? WHERE ?? SCOTSMAN ??
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CRAGman,

15/04/2008 14:31:41
There's unfortunately a lot of people around that would make the Taliban look tolerant on this one.
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15/04/2008 14:34:24
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 16:18:01
As others have said prostitution is not going away - indeed it is advertised for sale every day in the News under the guise of "saunas" - this should be the way forward - keep girls off the streets, and legalise the trade behind closed doors, but it should be regulated, with health checks and other advice available. Prohibiting anything leads to crime and gangsterism. Margo Macdonald has been right, as usual, pity more people do not listen to what she has to say.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 16:50:27
4....My comment was in response to yours at post 1...which was 'slightly' different to the one you had posted after it was deleted...I agree with your statement about people, not just children, having the right not to view prostitution on their doorstep....

It is a 'crime' you haufwit that is not going to go away...you can chase it up and down the street and roon the corner - you will find yourself forever running in circles because you cannot make it go away...the answer is to decriminalise it and then work with the women involved...of course there will always be desperate women who find themselves on the street, ready to take the risk of any old punter...and possibly lose their life in the process...but a safer approach could may well change the situation for both prostitutes and public alike....
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Ezekiel Gazooks,

15/04/2008 17:42:54
The street prostitute isn't employable in a sauna. A sauna requires that you turn up on time, fairly sober, clean and work your shift. It's not very different from any other job.
Try turning up your employer because you're skint and desperate for a drink. Then you announce that you will just go home at lunchtime because you have enough money for the day.
A madam I once new told me that all working girls have a screw loose. The women of Leith Links have so many loose that they rattle.
Scotpep is a lobby group for street prostitution. They don't give a damn about the people who have to put up with trouble so that a few misfits can get their drugs.
Oh, and if "
Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen" feels so strongly about encouraging street prostitution, has he considered allowing street prostitutes to work from his living room?
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 17:43:27
As usual, yet another law aimed at preventing people from breaking the law has failed miserably. When will they ever learn?

Maybe legalising prostitution may actually help matters? If they did that, then legal brothels could be established, the trade (for which there is definately a demand) could be regulated properly, proper support services could be established and I suppose they could even levy taxes!

Maybe one day, at least one politician will wake up to the idea that solving problems isn't all about preventing people from doing things...
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Biker,

Ayr 15/04/2008 18:49:49
Legalise and regulate the proffesion. help these women.
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James (1),

15/04/2008 19:19:19
Do you know what happens when a person decides to become a boxer?
They get punched! Would you say that a person who decided that this was to be his chosen way of life did not have any other option? This is the only job he can do?

Whilst I do not and never will condone violence against anyone, these women have chosen to do this. The consequences are that some of their seedy punters are violent.

Here is my earth shattering solution to this- stop doing it!

Try living on the money you are claiming off benefits? Try getting a real job!

It is strange how thousands of Polish immigrants can come to Edinburgh and get a job but these women cannot?

Scotpep come out with these "unreported" and therefore unsubstantiated assaults to try to make a case for prostitutes.
Any self interest group will make a case for their cause and Scotpep are no different.
Why dont Scotpep try talking these women out of their chosen life style?

Amsterdam has legalised prostitutes and also has problems with pimps and drugs, so making prostitution legal will not work.
Apart from that do you really expect protitutes to pay tax when they can make money tax free AND claim benefit.
Time to remove the rose tinted glasses if you think yes!
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 19:21:36
14....Its 'she' mate....and please read my post once more and try to interpret it with an open mind....just where do I mention encouraging women to remain on the streets?...that is actually the opposite to what I am saying you silly sausage...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/04/2008 19:30:42
17...I have worked with prostitutes in Glasgow and the women rarely report rapes or assaults....I know of one women who had reported that she was raped only to be charged with prostitution by the police...

You have no idea the lives that these women lead...their backgrounds...where they have come from....the abuse that most of them have suffered during their upbringing....a lot of women who go into prostitution carry a lot of shame and blame themselves re sexual abuse in their childhood...they do not see themselves worthy of having a 'normal' life...sex is a job and if someone abuses them in the process some women will shrug it off as an occupational hazard...

Not everything in life is black and white....most prostitutes now are drug addicts or have alcohol issues...no one is going to take them on in Tesco when it is obvious that they are struggling with an addiction...while a woman is addicted to a substance there will be no taking her anywhere...until she is de-toxed....in the meantime the best that services can do is try to support them, keep them safe and keep note of the beasts that abuse and rape them...

I have seen a book in a drop in centre where the women have logged their experiences with punters....some of it is absolutely revolting and would turn your stomach...believe me, there are a lot of sadistic men out there.....they do not show this book to the police it is only for the benefit of other women...to warn them...
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Biker,

Ayr 15/04/2008 20:30:33
Horrible. Good comments and I agree.
James 1. If only it wasas easy as getting a job and moving away. very simplistic but unrealistic in most cases.
Also worth noting is that many of these individuals are trafficed into the area and live under the threat of beatings or worse.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 15/04/2008 21:02:21
Moral posturing has never been an effective way of making policy. Rarely does it help the situation. Rarely does it solve the problem. It just lets people feel that they are "Doing the right thing"

Many men are willing to pay to have sex with women who are willing to sell sex for that payment. This will happen regardless of policy.

Why not create area's away from residential zones such as in Nevada, USA.

The choice is not stop prostitution this would be impossible unless you castrated all men. not my preferred option.

the options are:

Channeling the Problem
Prostitutes sell sex in a less dangerous environment/brothel/area/away from residential area's

Or

Chaos
Prostitutes sell sex at many locations, get beaten, attacked and set up in residential and commercial area's but still sell sex.

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GmL,

Edinburgh 15/04/2008 22:13:28
#14....."Scotpep is a lobby group for street prostitution". Quite simply, not true. It carries out NHS Lothian's policy to combat the spread of BBV in the sex industry in Edinburgh, both indoor and outdoor. The street women represent about 10% of their service users. As for the comment about not caring about local residents, Scot-pep have made it clear repeatedly that they sympathise with their concerns. However, they are funded to do a specific job, and that is what they do.
# 17. The implication that they make up the figures for assaults? I would challenge you to prove this. If, indeed, they were excessive, then I am sure the police (who work closely with Scot-pep) would be commenting appropriately. Given that, as I said, street women represent a numerically small amount of their work, they have no need to inflate any figures.
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shivago8,

livingston 16/04/2008 09:57:40
The Germans have controlled prostitution and have there own street area to operate from,they are looked after,checked by doctors on a regular basis.
There is no trouble,violence,murders,frustrated men get satisfied[lets face it we men get the urge and need to satisfy that urge]
What a good system,what is wrong with that.
The only complainant I see would be the church,but I dont think that they would get anywhere with their complaint as they are now dead in the water and a force that no one reckons with.
It is a proved system with the Deutsch,it can be here lets go for it
No one gets hurt,no one catches the sexual diseases.
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James (1),

16/04/2008 17:03:56
#23 Ask any worker if they are kept busy at work and you will get 99.9% saying yes!
Scotpep have a self interest here and it would not do for them to say figures are dropping.
You seem to have the degree of proof turned around?
It is not for me to prove assaults have gone up, it is for Scotpep to prove! The figures "could" be fabricated. Since no police investigation is made into them (as they are not reported) we will never know if the women have made them up or not?
I am not trying to wide anyone up by saying this I am only putting forward the suggestion that what is being said it not true.
No one deserves to be assaulted.

It is Scotpep who are "alleging" this figure and since it is not reported to the police they could realistically pluck a figure from thin air to try to make their point.

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Me Thinks,

Brighton 30/04/2008 19:22:52
For Goodness sakes, the sex industry in Scotland is worth 20 Million or was it 200 million. What other industry in Scotland is making so much money.

Why, are you people so stuck in the irrellevant past.

What you should be doing is looking at the reality of ther situation and thinking, how can we make more money out of this.

You, need to wrap a legal framework around this industry that does not pertain to regulation but pertains to taxation and marketing.

You could then have a multi -billion turn over.

Unless of course you all want to remain retarded.

The money earned by the sex industry, is legitimate.

Get real, wake up and smell the coffee.

People like sex and like to buy sex. Women like selling sex.

Otherwise you would not have such a lucrative buissness on your doorstepp.

Embrace the sex industry, cherrish it.

Turn it into a billion dollar industry.
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Rv2!,

08/05/2008 17:11:25
Run them off the streets. Legalise "entrapment" and send people out to get them in the saunas and "houses."

People who say it'll never go away are right, that doesn't mean you ignore it. Work as hard as you can to catch everybody that's catchable and they will reduce/disappear. Any girl caught should be removed from the street for three months custody. I'd happily pay some tax to getting these people clean of drugs.
Any foreign girls caught should be given 3 months then removed from the country.

Isn't that what we all want? Of course if you are the law then you'd rather grab every man using a girl than catch the girl herself. Much more benefit to your "fine" system and basically assisting taxation.


 

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