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New laws push street prostitutes out of Leith



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Published Date: 10 September 2008
THERE are fears prostitutes moved out of their traditional Leith haunts have begun working streets less than two miles away.
Residents in Craigentinny have complained about an increase in street workers in the area, who have propositioned residents.

The complaints centre on a phone box at the end of Craigentinny Avenue North where a group of women are understood to base themselves and are seen getting in and out of cars.

The sightings sparked renewed calls for a tolerance zone in Edinburgh to prevent prostitutes being forced into residential areas. It comes after police revealed they had received only a handful of complaints about prostitution in Leith since new kerb-crawling laws came into force.

Support group Scotpep had previously warned that the new legislation would drive the problem into other areas of the city.

Jean Haigh, chairman of the Craigentinny Avenue North Residents' Association, said she had been approached by a number of concerned residents. She said: "I have seen these girls a couple of times and a neighbour of mine, who works night shifts, has also.

"We're concerned this could become a bigger problem, particularly as the nights draw in. We think prostitutes may be gradually moving in."

She said that while the number of prostitutes working in Leith may be on the decline, she felt sure complaints to the police were on the rise in Craigentinny.

One retired man was recently approached by one of the girls and propositioned while walking with his grandchildren.

Mrs Haigh added: "Residents have definitely phoned the police. It's saddening and very hard for us to deal with."

Local councillor Ewan Aitken said the return of a tolerance zone was the only answer. "We seem unable, or unwilling, to deal with the source of this problem and it is therefore unsurprising to me that prostitutes may have moved into this area. We need to acknowledge this, as much as we wish it didn't happen, otherwise one community after another will be affected."

Until seven years ago, Edinburgh had an unofficial prostitution tolerance zone in what was then Leith's Coburg Street.

But as the area became more residential, women were moved to Salamander Street at Leith Links, eventually prompting an outcry from neighbours and an end to the zone.

The new laws, introduced last year, mean kerb crawlers now face a £1000 fine and a criminal record.

Scotpep has already reported how street workers are being forced into more secluded areas, away from traditional haunts. The Newhaven-based group's project manager Ruth Morgan Thomas said outreach workers would be sent to Craigentinny to investigate the reports.

Lothian and Borders Police were unable to confirm numbers of calls made about prostitution in the area.


The full article contains 458 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

eric,

10/09/2008 12:01:47
Tram will be like a cattle truck.!
2

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10/09/2008 12:11:27
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elayne,

10/09/2008 12:14:55
there is a need for a tolerance zone,but one away from residential areas.Leith has always been the "traditional"red light area and when i was younger the girls used to hang out beside the quays in the docks and in certain dockside pubs,but then(70s)i reckon most of them were not working to feed a drug habit,the drug element has made it risky for all involved and however much people dont like it,these women need to have somewhere to ply their trade,but it should be away from residential areas.
4

Zugspitze,

10/09/2008 12:24:22
Can someone tell me where in Edinburgh ISN'T a residential area. Even in streets where pubs or shops are all you see at eye level there are still residents there. Families, couples, OAPs, they exist EVERYWHERE in this city so to say simply move it to a non-residential area is impossible. It is simply moving it to someones elses doorstep.
Perhaps the "ladies" who ply this trade should give out a number and the "gentlemen" who so obviously NEED their services could have them deliver right to their door.........er maybe not, I suspect their Mums or wives would disaprove.
Oh well, what to do?
5

Cappo Del Monte,

10/09/2008 12:27:00
Aye the residents of craggie didnt give 2 hoots previously when it wasnt on their door step, now they want a tolerance zone lol.
Kinna tough eh lol
6

Howard Moon,

10/09/2008 12:35:25
#6

There's a big empty site at the back of the new council HQ, called the 'Caltongate', which may fit the bill. Currently there isn't anything there, or so I've heard.

Alternatively, right outside Ewan Aitken's door.
7

elayne,

10/09/2008 12:36:08
there are many areas where people seldom go,wasteground etc,leith has changed a lot in the last 20 or so years,the old docks are gone and its all housing etc so the women cant do business in the old places(carpet lane/timber bush/tower st etc)and a lot of pubs which were previously used by working girls are now upmarket and would not allow them entry,down by seafeild there is a bit of ground and its pretty private
8

Dee Bauchery,

10/09/2008 12:40:32
Calton Hill isn't residential. If all the prozzies and their punters head up there it will make a interesting night out for all concerned!!!
9

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 12:42:28
I agree with Cllr Aitken - a tolerance zone is the only answer - it worked perfectly well for many years until a few people started complaining. Prostitution will never be stopped, but the worst effects of it can be.
10

Zugspitze,

10/09/2008 12:44:08
Sexual relations between two strangers, one probably out of their head on a variety of drugs and the other willing to pay money to keep them that way, in a bit of wasteground near a sewage plant. Something is seriously wrong in this equation but if they NEED to ply their trade and so many punters NEED to partake I suppose that's the way it will have to be!
11

Cappo Del Monte,

10/09/2008 12:45:29
#11
What area are you in, we could get the zone outside your house
12

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 10/09/2008 12:54:51

The tolerance zone at Leith didn't work. The main street was full of 'tutes and the side streets were full of pimps. It was like a scenario from a Snoop Dogg LP.

I think the only sensible solution is to turn Shrubhill House into a ginormous 'sauna'.

13

elayne,

10/09/2008 12:54:59
prostitution is always going to be there,sadly most of the girls on the streets are addicts,and the street is the only place they can work,as most saunas and escort services would not employ someone who has a drug habit,these women put themselves in all sorts of danger by working the streets,i think organisations like SCOTPEP do a lot of good work with the women and help them regain some dignity and self respect
14

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 13:07:09
Typical stupid attidude of politicians nowadays... Try to ban your way out of a problem without any thought for the consequences. Is it actually real that such idiots get to make decisions that affect our lives so badly or did I go to sleep in the early 80s and am dreaming?

It really does beggar belief. These people are behaving worse than Mr Martini in "One flew over the cuckoo's nest".
15

Angus R,

10/09/2008 13:12:29
#15 - 'prostitution is always going to be there,'

so is murder, drug dealing, vandalism etc etc - do you think we should set up tolerance areas for those aswell?
16

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 10/09/2008 13:13:55

They say prostitution is the 'oldest profession' - but if it is, that means the prostitutes were the first people to ever get a job, likesay.

Now, if only the prostitutes have a job, how can anyone else pay them, if they are unwaged? (there was no broo in ancient times)

Basically I think agriculture is the oldest profession.
17

James (1),

10/09/2008 13:24:31
#11 I'm with you! We should also have a tolerance zone for drug dealers. They are only trying to feed their habit and that of others, like prostitutes.
They too are unemployed and getting benefits paid by you and other tax payers.
Making a zone (#4 has a good one)and when in it you can ignore any laws that you want.

Prostitution will never be stopped because there are so many people like you(not a majority but enough to stop the problem being fixed)who don't want to take hard action but want to find a non confrontational approach to the problem.
I wonder if this trade was happening outside your home, would you be so caring? I dont think you would but since its not you can say yes!
18

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 13:27:41
#12: Service industries are the future doncha know?
19

Kay Y. Jelly,

10/09/2008 13:28:12
18. "Basically I think agriculture is the oldest profession."

Nope, it was a dead heat between hunter-gatherer and cave-wife.

While the men were out chasing mammoths the women were selling a bit on the side so they could afford new furs.
20

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 13:31:46
#18: No I think it was hunting. In 12,000 BC one guy was had up for kerb crawling near one of the dodgier caves. However, once he explained that he was simply out hunting for tasty bats to feed his family, the case was dropped.
21

Helmut von Knobrott,

10/09/2008 13:31:52
Craigentinny is too far to walk after the polis impounded my car.
Until there's a tram line I'll have to remain a Comely Banker.
22

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 13:32:44
#22: Nah, I'm sure The Egg came before The Chicken.
23

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 10/09/2008 13:39:50

Anyone seen that film "Risky Business" - a disciple of L Ron Hubbard has it off with a 'tute on a decoy bus travelling thru Craigentinny to the sound of german electronic pioneers Tangerine Dream.
24

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 13:46:42
Maybe the working girls could be encouraged to carry out their business at the bottom of the Canongate. There's a load of whor*s work there.
25

Brian Ferrari,

10/09/2008 13:47:00
#26

You can hardly refer to someone who worked for a total of 6 days as being in a profession.

By the way, talk about a rush job....
26

Arrow,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 13:55:46
#26
the would be the town planners and traffic engineers then?
27

elayne,

10/09/2008 13:57:26
#17 of course not!i simply think that if women were given a safe area to work with appropriate help,there would be less women being attacked and murdered(emma caldwell,ipswitch murders,yorkshire ripper,etc)many prostitutes dont report if they have been attacked etc!
28

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10/09/2008 14:03:38
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James (1),

10/09/2008 14:17:31
#32 Let's be clear on this. These women are NOT working. Just as a drug dealer is NOT working.
The do not deserve to have anything introduced to make them safe with what they are doing.
If we want them to be 100% safe then if they stop doing what they do and get a real job then this would be achieved.

Not reported and yet you know this how? Not from self serving Scotpep?
How can they possibly be treated as an unbiased credible group given they exist by funding.
They need to show there is a reason for getting more money.
They could literally say hundreds of prostitutes are being assaulted but the dont report it. Where is their proof?

30

elayne,

10/09/2008 14:17:55
#33 they may be "scum",but still someones sister,mum,daughter etc,i dont think any woman wakes up one day and thinks"ill go on the game"they dont do it for job satisfaction,its out of sheer desperation and (usually)addiction to drugs,which is a vicious cycle,take drugs-work-take more drugs to blot out nasty punters/being raped/shame etc etc
31

fresian,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 14:35:14
18-23-26, The oldest profession was a traffic cop. If you read the bible, Genesis I mentions the evil serpent hiding behind the tree
32

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 10/09/2008 14:40:51

#36 I doubt it somehow - Phil Collins is old, but he's not that old.
33

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 14:49:53
#27: Tangerine Dream are playing the Picturedrome in November...
34

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 14:51:56
#32: No elayne, it'd lead to *fewer* women being attacked. Prostitutes are discrete. It's an implied part of the contract.
35

craig0,

10/09/2008 14:54:35
the oldest profession in the world it exists in every city up and down the country, its about high time a tolerance zone was allocated, not only would this help prevent the girls moving into residential ares ,it would be a safer enviroment for them to work as it could be monitored by the police. We need to accept that this problem exists and do someting constructive about it. it wont go away on its own. #32 totally uneducated naive remark
36

craig0,

10/09/2008 14:55:49
sorry, no 33
37

Bottoms Up,

Blackhall 10/09/2008 15:07:52
Anyone who sells their bodies for sex is scum.



38

Zugspitze,

10/09/2008 15:09:57
No 41

How is it constructive to allow a zone where things that are illegal are allowed to be practiced under the watchful eye of the police? It's a serious question as there are a variety of criminal practices that can be included if we simply turn a blind eye and give people the space to break the law freely.

I realize this doen't address the safety issues etc but there are many sides to the problem and simply allowing it isn't a clear cut answer.
39

Zugspitze,

10/09/2008 15:14:24
Also, if we allow this safe space and assign the police to oversea it, do we bring the council in every morning to remove used condoms (if they are bothered with using them) and provide sharps containers for used needles and drug paraphenalia? Should we have free dispensers of those items upon entrace to the wasteground to encourage use? Will we have volunteers providing warm drinks on cold nights to make everyone more comfortable and distribute leaflets about STDs and how to explain things to your partner?
It's not all about "boys will be boys" let's just turn a blind eye.
40

Brian the Barbarian.,

the tolerance zone 10/09/2008 15:14:54
Why oh why can't some eastern european gangster people smuggler types just not simply open a brothel ? We are alway hearing how enterprising those people are and how lucky we are to have our lives enriched by their very prescence in our midst, keeping prices down etc, so some low waged or no waged tartlets in a shed might be a good thing for the community.
41

James (1),

10/09/2008 15:16:03
#43 no, "anyone" can only has one body and is called a prostitute for selling it.

From your window can you tell me if Carstairs is pretty at this time of year?



42

alex.d.,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 15:19:42
#43 I think your comments are a bit harsh. Perhaps given the chance these prostitutes would be doing something else.Would you feel the same if one of them was your daughter. To say they are scum is pretty nasty.
43

tender,

craigentinny 10/09/2008 15:45:42
No matter where it goes on.the last thing anyone wants to see, is strangers comming into there area selling sex..We all need to play a part in dealing with this problem,in the proper way, before it gets out of hand..Come on Ewan.!!!.Forget the dog poo.!!!..Lets see you catch this ball..Resident of 45 years..
44

Zugspitze,

10/09/2008 15:52:44
#48 Whilst I find it a repulsive trade, you are right, one cannot simply blame the women who do this. There is no supply without demand. No one MAKES a man decide that he wants to go out and pay a few quid for a drug addled prostitute to have intercourse with him.
If (and this is a BIG if) they managed somehow to stem the flow of punters, there wouldn't be enough work for the women and they would HAVE to find something else. And whilst I find them detestable, the brothels in Edinburgh should be sufficient for the pathetically lonely men who need this service but it seems the lowest of the low feel the need to use and abuse the lowest of the low. It's a sorry state of affairs.
45

Bottoms Up,

Blackhall 10/09/2008 16:16:45
51#

It must have been a long time since you went with a prostitute to suggest it costs a few quid.

The going rate is £20 per half hour. Also new laws mean you can only pay using chip and pin.
46

fresian,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 16:21:51
Brian,#46, I did hear about a dyslexic guy who opened up a warehouse a while back.
47

Cynicaltalk,

10/09/2008 16:27:21
So THAT'S where they have moved to!
48

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 16:28:36
Well said 31, This is known as the big bang theory.
49

Cynicaltalk,

10/09/2008 16:30:01
We should adopt the Amsterdam approach. Imagine walking along Rose Street window shopping of a friday afternoon.

But on a serious note, i agree with Zugspite.
50

Plantagenet,

10/09/2008 16:43:24
Prostitutes being pushed out of Leith? where on earth are they going to send them all to? there's thousands of them.
51

calum,

10/09/2008 17:10:56
The ideal place for a tolerance Zone has been identified - It has no through traffic, is well lit, has CCTV coverage to protect the women, has the support of both the principal businesses in the area, a nearby park to carry out the transaction and only one occasional resident to worry about. I refer, of course, to the east end of Holyrood Road, where Margo and the EN editor can keep an eye out for them out of their office windows.
Now, I wonder why that would seem less attractive than Leith?
52

Leith Jambo,

Not so Sunny Leith 10/09/2008 17:24:19
I used to live in Salamander St. T`is not nice leaving for work in the morning after your stair door has been kicked in during the night, stepping over used condoms,used needles, puddles of P*ss and Sh*te. If i had a dump on Cllr Aitkens doorstep every night, d`ya think he would tolerate that? I think not. So why should anyone else.

53

Mallory,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 17:53:57
The authorities should take over a dozen flats in one the many undersold new developments and provide a safe working environment for the girls (and boys). A weekly rent and rates / poll / council tax would be charged.

Time to get real about the 'oldest profession'.
54

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 10/09/2008 18:13:13

#60 It's already been established upthread that the "oldest profession" was in fact Cro-Magnons subduing and killing woolly mammoths. The oldest surviving profession is berry picking.
55

elayne,

10/09/2008 18:38:14
#60 something like that sounds good in theory,but sadly a lot of them are too strung out to know what day of the week it is never mind pay rent etc,but a designated place away from housing etc,regular health checks etc would make it safer but the main problem boils down to drugs and while drugs are involved its always going to be the same old story
56

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 18:45:33
#43: "Anyone who sells their bodies for sex is scum"

How many bodies does each person have on your planet?
57

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 18:48:52
#44 essentially wants to know if we should have tolerance zones for other crimes.

The difference between say murder or burglary, and sex for sale is that the former have unwilling victims and the latter are consensually trading a service for money. It is victimless crime and an example of misuse of the law.

Basically crime should be where someone causes harm to another without consent. Things which involve consent, but of which we disapprove, should not be sanctioned in law.

Eliminating this confusion would help greatly.
58

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

10/09/2008 18:53:50
#51: I'd always assumed that such services are more expensive in a brothel. The customers are paying extra for the comfort of being inddors, and most likely for some sort of guarantee that the vendors aren't junkies.

Presumably then the street prostitutes have as customers people who are either too poor to pay for the warmth of indoors or who find it exciting to play Russian roullette with HIV infection.
59

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 19:41:54

Nice pair of legs in the pic, wonder who's the model,?
60

GARY BARNA,

ASSARRET 10/09/2008 20:12:10

NO. Dave from Barra. Have you not thought that she´s maybe not wearing a bra!
61

GARY BARNA,

ASSARRET 10/09/2008 20:23:47

"The complaints centre on a phone box at the end of Craigentinny Avenue North where a group of women are understood to base themselves and are seen getting in and out of cars"

I take my kids to school every morning and the above happens every day, and?
62

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 20:29:29

Dave from Barra ~68,

Funny that! I also thought she looked in the 'family way'!
63

blackley,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 21:53:49
If these women are "plying their trade" Does that mean they are paying income tax?
64

Rv2!,

10/09/2008 21:58:17
Yeah, move the girls on, I think Cornton Vale prison has a few spare rooms they can have for 2 years.

Stop criminalising the men who kerb crawl, the crive is the supply of illegal goods. Just like drugs, selling sex is illegal. Take the sl ags off the street and into prison.
65

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 10/09/2008 22:53:54
Very un-braw picture. Dinnae worry aboot the legs Charles, they're the first things ye throw aside, and by the look of her belly .......... well.
66

bluehead,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 09:10:33
the place shown was only a short distance from where they tout for business in east field,not in craigentinny.
67

Zugspitze,

11/09/2008 09:14:33
#74 Er, why stop criminalizing kerb crawlers? If these women had no one to buy their "product" they wouldn't be there. It's supply and demand.
68

bluehead,

edinburgh 11/09/2008 09:19:21
all the people who are in favour of the so-called tolerance zones for prostitutes should invite them to do business outside their home, then they can let everyone know how wonderful a feeling it is,
69

Quantum Dougie,

Nowhere 11/09/2008 11:04:05
Someone told me they are working out towards the Gyle now... and they specialise in stealing mp3 players.

70

Hardon collider,

11/09/2008 11:07:28
There's nout wrong with paying for yer nat king cole - even ugly lads need some action. No me mind, Im a big hotty
71

Quantum Dougie,

11/09/2008 11:13:00
Very true #80, very true. The prossies actually make Craigentinny a better place. In fact, they make the world a better place... for those ugly lads you're talking about.
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Scat Man,

11/09/2008 11:22:59
Leith Jambo,Not so Sunny Leith 10/09/2008 17:24:19
#59 "I used to live in Salamander St. T`is not nice leaving for work in the morning after your stair door has been kicked in during the night, stepping over used condoms,used needles, puddles of P*ss and Sh*te. If i had a dump on Cllr Aitkens doorstep every night, d`ya think he would tolerate that? I think not. So why should anyone else. "

Do you know if they had to pay extra for the P*ss and sh*te or is it all part of the deal?

Interested, Leith
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AlexofEdinburgh,

15/11/2008 12:10:27
I don't see where all the hostility is coming from about this job. Lots of people don't think that job is a real job? Nuts to you, maybe your job isn't a 'real job'. If you perform a service and get money, is that not essentially the definition of a job? Maybe a linguist of some sort could help me out here... As said before by other commentors, it's not a crime that you do unto someone; nobody gets hurt and everybody is consenting. It's not fair to liken it to crimes like murder, theft, vandalism because they are crimes with definite victims.

Basically, the same to anyone who find it unseemly. The world would probably be a nicer place without lots of different professions that perhaps are legal by some cruel way of things (COUNCILLOR COUNCILLOR COUNCILLOR TEEFIN' THE SOUPS).

However, I don't think this is an Edinburgh issue but a national law issue. The city shouldn't be above the law in any sense, even if it means issues like this.

 

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