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Ex-Jenners boss: Princes Street revamp is a waste of time



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Published Date: 02 April 2008
THE former owner of Edinburgh retail institution Jenners has branded plans to revamp Princes Street as a waste of time.
Robbie Douglas-Miller, whose family sold the famous department store for £46 million in 2005, said that politicians and council officials have been talking about change for 20 years but "nothing has ever happened and I can't think it ever will".

He said it would make no financial sense for most property owners to invest in such a project.

But his comments have provoked anger from business leaders, who say redevelopment will only happen with the co-operation of all the major players.

Mr Douglas-Miller, whose firm JPSE, still owns the Mount Royal Hotel on Princes Street, said: "The council are very good about talking about it (change) – they've been talking about it for 20 years and nothing has ever happened and I can't think it ever will.

"There is no financial incentive for someone to knock down a perfectly serviceable building and put up another one just to fit in with a council plan. It doesn't make any financial sense to do that – it costs millions to knock it down and even more millions to rebuild it. Why would anyone do that?"

He insisted nobody from the city council has approached him to talk through any of the proposals for the future of the street.

And he blamed previous administrations for creating the current "disjointed" look of the street by promoting a previous vision of another level of retail at first floor level, where a number of balconies now sit.

"Most people would prefer a better house than they have," he said. "But if you knock it down and build a new one it won't make a lot of financial sense. Why does anyone think that would be different with a building on Princes Street?

"It comes out every year or two that someone at the council is interested in redesigning Princes Street but they never talk to anyone, as far as I'm aware, that owns a part of the street."

Ron Hewitt, chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "To hear from a man who has already thrown in the towel that things are not achievable is not what the city needs. The reality is that the redevelopment of Princes Street is necessary and will only be achieved with the co-operation of all the players who can make it happen."

The city council has been promoting a "string of pearls" concept for Princes Street that would see the thoroughfare developed as individual distinctive blocks.

It is currently in the process of drawing up detailed plans for the individual blocks. When published, it will then attempt to attract existing owners or new investors to develop the blocks in line with its vision. It has admitted it has had interest from oil-rich sovereign wealth funds who want to buy up chunks of the street.

Councillor Tom Buchanan, economic development convener said: "I am disappointed that someone who has had a major interest in Princes Street should be so unsupportive of an initiative that aims to bring together those wanting to work collectively to ensure Princes Street is revitalised for the benefit of current and future generations."


The full article contains 552 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 12:17:56
Douglas-Miller seems to be talking sense even with his silver spoon in his gub.
2

Alasdair,

02/04/2008 12:28:12
Talking a million times more sense than any of our cooncil leaders have managed..
This string of Pearls gubbins is only being mooted because the council made such a ar$e of itself with then suggestion that we should extend the Waverley Centre (Princes Mall now) over Waverley Station's a-listed roof. Oh, and then they came up with the genius idea of building a mall under Princes Street, vandalising the gardens in the process! (both schemes trumpeted as being great in this execrable rag, btw).
3

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 12:37:23
It's all in the hands of the City Centre Management Company but you don't see anything mentioned in their web site.
4

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

02/04/2008 12:37:36
Finally - a realist.
5

Edin,

02/04/2008 12:44:00
rubbish story
6

fruitmachine,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 12:48:19
The Council doesn't own Princes St, so "oil-rich sovereign wealth funds" can talk to it for as long as it likes and it won't make a jot of a difference.

And as "promoting a 'string of pearls' concept" doesn't seem to include speaking to the owners, the Council will get nowhere with this idea either.

More of OUR money spent on consultants and advisors. More waste!
7

KTCB41,

02/04/2008 12:50:03
I agree, not unsupportive more realistic.
Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce now seem to have got so involved in partnership working that they forget that they should speak for their members and their real work experience. Even if that on occasion means going off message with the Council.

Ron Hewitt could have agreed, that the council are very good about talking about change, that they've been talking about it for 20 years and nothing has happened. In order to move on it helps to acknowledge the failings of the past and to get some understanding of why things will not be like that this time. Once that's in the public domain people can make a judgement about the part they want to take this time the Council comes up with a plan.

8

eric,

Lothian 02/04/2008 12:55:16
Myself my family and lots of freinds have been shopping in Glasgow for generations now!Somethings never change eh.
9

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02/04/2008 12:56:53
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10

Sarcasm,

02/04/2008 12:59:07
8. - Somethings never change eh.

Usually it's the contents of your posts.
11

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 13:06:39
"This sort of smart deal is the way forward. This is good news for Princes Street and the city." Donald Anderson, idiot ex-cooncillor, failed wannabe MSP and now spin-merchant for hire by dodgy developers, on the sell out of Jenners to House of Fraser; Scotsman, 17 March 2005.
12

Mora,

02/04/2008 13:10:53
what is the analysis of the problems facing Princes Street? The buildings MAKE it, the grid of streets leading northwards over the rise to view the Forth, they are the very "pearls" which need cleaning up perhaps, internal refits perhaps, demolition - NO! What are the planners thinking about? Is it possible that the problem is too many shopping centres away from the main street - sucking out its heart? And too many new office complexes out of the centre? Much better to make Princes Street a pedestrian boulevard with bicycles and the tram and maybe a few buses and taxis.
13

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 02/04/2008 13:11:07
I remember the proposal to create an upper walk-way by getting all the shops in Princes Street to build canopies at the first floor level. They were to be joined together to form a pavement. That idea was also pie-in-the-sky as very few made the effort. Too costly and impossible to enforce, just as this proposal will end up.
14

Scotish Exile,

02/04/2008 13:38:26
Mr Posh double barrelled hooray henry is talking complete sense....and put it very succinctly...you would never guess that he is NOT a feckin politician
15

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 13:47:08
The Cooncil obviously chose the phrase "string of pearls" very carefully, lest the concept be confused with something entirely different.
16

The Judge,

02/04/2008 14:02:06
Princes St = Bus depot that sells mobile phones and CU Jimmy hats, full of jakies, neds & beggars. To be avoided at all costs. And of course in a few years miles of overhead cables for the tramLINE that will spoil one of the nicest views in the city.
17

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 02/04/2008 14:06:29
Ah the dont spend public money brigade strike again.

Maybe it's got something to do with restoring one of Europes premier streets to it's rightful position and halt years of decline in it's status.
18

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 02/04/2008 14:11:15
#16

Perhaps that's why the council are spending money on a facelift for the place.......
19

Arnie,

Newington 02/04/2008 14:15:47
The West end of Princes Street is an absolute disgrace, you are unable to gain access from Shandwick Place without crossing three roads and when you are finally cross them you are at Castle Street.

Also the F1 style markings they have put across the middle of the road are really ugly and just look like vandalism to a street that you used to be proud of.

I can only imagine how much money the shops are losing.
20

tomias,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 14:17:16
What are those big blue things along near what once was Jenners? Hmm for carrying away sewage?
Fits
21

Applecrumble,

Balerno 02/04/2008 14:19:27
I've lived in Edinburgh all my life, indeed I was born very close to Princes Street and I was gutted when they took away the stanes in the middle o the road to make way fer this trams crap. Princes Street is Princes because it is home to the wonderful buildings and architecture and opposite hosts the gardens. There is a string of sparklingly bright diamonds there nevermind a string o bloomin pearls. I'd rather they spend ma taxes on something that will help us, not somethin tae mak us all boke.
22

GracieB,

North York 02/04/2008 14:42:33
I agree wholeheartedly with #12-Mora. It's not the buildings that need to be replaced but what's in the buildings. Take away all the tacky shops and loud music outside and make it a street of distinction again. Surely that can't be that hard and a lot less expensive.
23

dodderer,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 14:43:45
City centre shopping is an outdated concept. Princes Street should be given over for hotels and housing.
24

Mr Flibble,

Glasgow 02/04/2008 14:50:02
#21: Sorry, but you're talking rubbish.
Princes Street isn't "home to the wonderful buildings" at all. Aside from the Balmoral and Jenners, there aren't many impressive buildings at all. Most of them are faceless, glass-paned department stores that don't add to the street at all.
This is meant to be one of the flagship streets in Edinburgh but sections of it look more like a fleamarket filled with hideous poundstretcher/saver stores. I'm all for restoration and seeing some cash used to bring it back up to a suitable standard.

25

Mr Flibble,

Glasgow 02/04/2008 14:51:26
The council should also be looking to charge the d*ckheads behind the Pride of Scotland stores for playing a part in Princes Street's demise.
26

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 15:08:56
#12. Look on web for how Princes St looked with appropriate Georgian frontages - stunning street. Looks nothing like that now. More akin to Great King Street frontages than George Street frontages.
27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

02/04/2008 15:10:04
Look .

The Evening News makes most of this up. At the very least its heavily embellished.

All this man is doing is saying the truth. How can a whole street of shops which are all owned by different private companies be subjected to the Whim of a farce such as Capital City Management ?

Get a grip of yourselves.
28

Kitti Kat,

PA 02/04/2008 15:14:17
I had the misfortune of staying in the dowdy and dreary Mount Royal Hotel back in 2004 ( beleive me on trips since, I make sure I have reservations in a bit more cheery hotel). Had no idea that Jenners was involved as owners. That hotel with the tacky red and dreary desk and dowdy rooms needs to be gutted and re-done. I love tradition and old fashioned furnishings but this was plain OLD and tired!! Mr. Douglas-Miller is off base. Princes street needs to be revamped and it can be done tastefully while retaining the historic buildings. If the Mount Royal has been updated since 2004, it may be a start. I made sure to tell my travel agency relatives that it was a dowdy dump when we were there. the only good thing was the view of the castle from it's dreary dining room.
29

Seb,

02/04/2008 16:29:08
Has anyone actually read the Development Brief, doesn't look like it. It proposes intrenal refurbs, not wholescale demolition, and the Council isn't controlling it, just trying to liaise with the owners of buildings that are underutilised so get them to sell to owners that will invest in improvements. The Mount doesn't desperately need changed and that's why rich young Robbie hasn't been contacted. He's probably in the huff.

Planning policy can't stop the spread of cheap tat, so we can't blame the Councillors or the planners for that, blame the buyers.
30

Seb,

02/04/2008 16:31:29
and we all love a necklace of pearls, don't we?
31

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

02/04/2008 16:39:54
Well , your Mum does Seb.
32

Seb,

02/04/2008 16:43:35
Of course she does. Don't kid us, so do you Mario.
33

Teofilio Cubillas,

02/04/2008 16:54:42
Princes Street should be like a Parisien Boulevard or a Viennese Strasse, lined with high quality shops, cafes and hotels where locals and tourists alike can stroll peacefully on a summers afternoon, or sip a coffee while enjoying some of Europe's finest urban landscape. That's what they do in civilised countries. Instead, as highlighted above by numerous contributors, our useless politicians have overseen it's demise to a shabby, down at heel dump, lined with cheap, tacky shops run by 'businessmen' who don't give a sh1t about the locale and overrun by Edinburgh's fag-smoking, Gregg's chomping, foul-mouthed underclass out on the chore.
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

02/04/2008 17:26:50
I prefer Japanese Eyes.
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

02/04/2008 17:29:57
33 So how do you see that happening then ?

Have you ever been to the main shopping streets of Paris , Vienna , Brussels or Frankfurt or Zurich ? They sell the same crap , and in many cases have exactly the same shops.

Even if we pretend for a momemnt that all these placs have Fancy Cake and dress shops and leather stuff dotted with pearls , and cool antique shops - how could this happen in edinburgh considering we have at best a mediocre economy. And how on earth are councillors to be blamed for what happens on the open market ?

Jesus.
36

Teofilio Cubillas,

02/04/2008 19:01:24
35 I have been to all these cities (except Zurich) and to an extent you're right that crap shops are to be found everywhere. Princes Street, though, is Edinburgh's most famous throughfare. Surely our council have the wherewithal to pass some regulations ensuring that any aspiring property owners maintain the property and it's frontage to a certain standard? Or do we just accept that 'the market' means reducing Princes Street to a dilapidated eyesore full of tartan gonks?
37

SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 02/04/2008 19:59:53
It used to be Athens of the North. Please everyone, look at photos of the street as it used to look - and compare now. Edinburgh should re-invest in the Athens idea - it would be a wonderful place to visit as it used to be.
38

Waspy100,

02/04/2008 22:00:21
I have visited a few capital cities with my wife on our travels and when we last visited Edinburgh my wife commented that apart from the gardens and the castle Princes Street was really tatty and not on a par with other great cities.
39

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 02/04/2008 23:12:16
If people are shopping in department stores that are out of town - the real opportunity for Princes Street is to reinvent itself with some quality eating and drinking establishments that people can enter on street level and go up to level one for the views - this doesn't exist at present. A mix of shops will be there as well.

It does need a plan that is actually taken up and put into place - unlike the pipe dreams of the last 30 years. Some of the 60s buildings need to come down as well.
40

Fud,

Brighton 03/04/2008 08:55:30
I lived so so near Princes Street in one of the worst streets in Edinburgh called Greenside row ! i did'nt have much to be proud of but by god i was so proud of Princes Steert . Leave us with some pride .
41

daywalker,

west edinburgh 03/04/2008 15:14:53
well said no16 beggers arnt even homless edin let downs;/
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