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Everything's rosy in garden as city builds on Square success



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Published Date: 26 May 2008
MORE private gardens throughout Edinburgh could be opened up to the public after a revamp of St Andrew Square was declared a huge success.
Tourists, shoppers, office workers and families have flocked to the city centre garden after it opened its gates to the public for the first time in its 238-year history.

Now council chiefs are set to investigate similar projects elsewhere in the
Capital.

The £2.6 million St Andrew Square revamp included the installation of a "reflecting pool", ageing trees being replaced, the statue of Lord Melville restored, and new lighting installed to help bring the area to life at night.

Coffee Republic, which runs the newly built pavilion coffee shop in the garden, today said it was handling an average of 1000 customers each day.

There is already demand to open Charlotte Square gardens to the public, but other areas of the city such as Portobello may also now be examined. Other options that could be considered, if private owners are willing to talk to the council, include Drumsheugh Gardens and Boswell's Garden in the Canongate.

Opening up Queen Street Gardens would be popular, but would face stern opposition from local residents.

Former Lord Provost Lesley Hinds has put a motion to this week's full council calling for other projects to be investigated and it is likely to receive the support of the Lib Dem/SNP administration.

Cllr Hinds said today: "Lots of people have been telling me how good the garden is, and when I walked through it last week it was absolutely packed – people reading newspapers and drinking coffee. It's what a public space should be about.

"There must be other spaces in the city, perhaps bought by private developers but where nothing has been done with the land. St Andrew Square was money well spent, and we need to learn from that."

Dating back to 1770, and designed by James Craig, St Andrew Square Garden is an integral part of his New Town masterplan but was previously only accessible to residents and businesses in the surrounding area.

The garden has been leased for the next 50 years from the St Andrew Square proprietors. Money for the scheme came from the council and Scottish Enterprise Edinburgh and Lothian.

Councillor Robert Aldridge, the city's environment leader, said today: "The success of St Andrew Square Garden has been phenomenal and it's a fantastic addition to the city centre.

"Without a doubt, good green space enhances people's lives and can rejuvenate previously underused areas – and we're keen to ensure that all available gardens and parks are used to their maximum potential."

Ian Broadfoot, a manager with Edinburgh City Centre Management, which operates the garden, added: "We are extremely proud of what we've achieved with the opening of St Andrew Square Garden to the public for the first time ever. The success of the garden is there for all to see in the number of people using the space."





The full article contains 502 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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Leila,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 12:35:42
The garden in St Andrew Square looks nice and is well used. However it could do with some supervision - yesterday I saw two small children using pieces torn off the weeping willow tree to "fish" in the water, trampling through the flowerbeds on their way. A parent eventually removed the children from the water but seemed oblivious to the damage.
2

Pepper,

26/05/2008 12:35:47
Fabulous idea, St Andrew square is looking lovely these days....never thought I'd say well done the council.
3

alex paterson,

embra 26/05/2008 12:40:52
Looks like things are coming up rosy in the City must have a look,well done the council.
4

Billy Effluvia,

Paris, France 26/05/2008 12:58:45
1.

John Smeaton might be a good supervisor.
5

Amenemhat,

26/05/2008 13:04:23
It looks great and I have seen lots of tourists taking pics of the statue of Lord Melville, that's a first you could never see the thing before.
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26/05/2008 13:12:18
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B S,

Newington 26/05/2008 13:14:21
Let us tear down the fences around Queen Street Gardens and see what perversities the aristocrats of Edinburgh are aboot.
8

Brian Ferrari,

26/05/2008 13:26:17
Nice, but could do with some topless sunbathers though.
9

Think Tank,

26/05/2008 13:26:23
Remember again when you hear of the Cockburn Association that they objected to the vast majority of what you see on the now opened gardens- the coffee shop, paths and reflective pool for starters.

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eric,

lothian 26/05/2008 13:44:15
You used to be able to walk thru /past at night .not now i have seen a few junkies hovering around,this will only get worse.
11

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 26/05/2008 14:16:18
No.10 Eric > ou used to be able to walk thru /past at night .not now i have seen a few junkies hovering around,this will only get worse.

Fear not, Eric, they were almost certainly making their way to the bus station with a view to returning home on the westbound CityLink service 900.
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Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 26/05/2008 14:18:26
No6 Sellotape > I think they should plant some soft fruit in there and let people pick it. It might improve the dietary habits of the poor.

Would it not be more fun to let the fruit over-ripen and then throw it at the poor as a sort of amusing late summer competition?
13

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 14:39:21
Maybe there should be some kind of means test before people can enter the park.

Bank Statements for instance.
14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 14:44:41
10 I didnt know Junkies could hover. Now i understand why they take the drug in the first place.
15

S'me,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 15:59:50
Funny funny funny... made me laugh!! Usually pathetic attemps at humour... Kirsty especially!!
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26/05/2008 16:14:47
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26/05/2008 16:18:35
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Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 17:58:47
I've said it before; St Andrews Square is beautifully done and at £2.6M is value for money giving so many people so much pleasure. Just when you thought the city centre couldn't get much better.

I know the trams will cost quite a bit more but I think there is a real chance that they will produce and equally good metamorphisis in the city center.
20

Mike The bike,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 18:34:02
#12
How about we just round up all you new town toffee nosed tw@ts and stick your heads in the earth there. Then the 'poor' or anyone else that despises upper class filth can come along and kick you in the butt as you richly deserve? It would be a winner!
21

Drat,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 19:08:48
Great outcome with the refurbishment but give it at least a year before opening any more up, check out #1.
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Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 26/05/2008 19:24:16
#20 How about we just round up all you new town

Have you ever considered seeking counselling for your innate jealousy?
Alternatively you could consider taking up bicycling as a means of addressing your feelings of inadequacy. Don't forget your bicycle clips.
23

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 26/05/2008 19:29:49
#21 Drat - Great outcome with the refurbishment

I would agree but with two concerns. I think the area could do with more shrubbery / small trees as it felt stark. My other criticism is the appalling architecture of the coffee shop.
24

Mike The bike,

Edin 26/05/2008 19:39:38
#22
Jealous of upper class inbred garbage? Come on be serious for just one moment. Herd the lot of them into the pen for roasting. You first.
25

Buttress,

26/05/2008 20:56:47
'Think Tank,26/05/2008 13:26:23
Remember again when you hear of the Cockburn Association that they objected to the vast majority of what you see on the now opened gardens- the coffee shop, paths and reflective pool for starters.'




Actually, while it's good the gardens are open, I dispute that what has beem done is the most sensitive, with regard to the materials and design.

Think Tank, as usual, has it in for the Cockburn Association. As I have said before, it did not 'object', but, as it is entitled to do, made constructive and informed comments regarding the current scheme.

I think had they been followed, it would have looked more like something fitting a World Heritage Site and less like a rather overdone Chelsea show garden.

Charlotte Square Gardens, for those interested, are the subject of a study being carried out by Edinburgh World Heritage Trust, to look at future, and hopefully sympathetic, improvements.


http://www.ewht.org.uk/Charlotte-Square-Gardens.aspx

Private gardens, though, remain private - as with all private property.

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Buttress,

26/05/2008 20:59:53
I belive too the final cost was somewhere in the region of 5 million?


'St Andrew Square

The Cockburn Association has followed with great interest the plans to open up the gardens of St Andrew Square. We are wholly supportive of the principal to allow public access to the gardens but are concerned by the current proposals to create one diagonal path, a water feature and catering pavilion. St Andrews Square is of special importance as the generator of Craig’s grid and the very beginnings of the Georgian New Town. It is therefore vital that we take the time, as a City, to create a design of outstanding quality.

We suggest that a double-diagonal path design, as proposed back in 1865, would be more in keeping with the formal layout of the Square and the anticipated footfall in the area. We are concerned about the visual impact of a permanent catering structure within the gardens and see no real justification for this. Similarly, the existing scheme proposes a pond set within the gardens. This will be expensive to maintain and all it will take is for one crisp bag or bottle floating on top to spoil the effect. We suggest that the money would be better spent on widening the pathways. If you would like more information on our consultation response please contact Moira Tasker, Director.'

http://www.edinburghguide.com/edgforum/viewtopic.php?p=4457&



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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 21:07:12
Over here in the Netherlands its quite common to see city zoos with goats and chickens etc.

Now Im not suggesting the same for St Andrews Square (He was). No, an idea might be "schemie zoos" where we imprison them , feed them Greggs and coo over their cheeky little sullen faces.
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Asil,

musselburgh 27/05/2008 08:13:26
st andrews sq does look good, but i can't see it staying like than for long and why the need to do it elsewher?? Is it my imagantion or is there not gardens all along pronces st which people seem happy enough to use????
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Davie Lad,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 09:18:21
#27
You need to find some new material. This old guff is the same you have been peddling for years here now. Cant you hear the silence as you attempt your "funnies"?
31

Voice o reason,

Innerspace 27/05/2008 12:17:10
Mei it dez look fair guid. Ah passed eet on ma way back fri the airport afore. Ah hink its grand ee can lie backeet n hev a read o yer paper in yon summer sun. Ah yaist ti like daein that in Princes St Gairdens, but ah got seek ont. Ee nae sinnet got comfy then a fitba wud come tearin throw eer paper. Threi cheers the coonsul!!
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Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 15:55:02
26 Buttress

I agree that the park will cost something to maintain and even minor neglect will make it look appalling, however as it stands my experience of the new park has been excellent.

I think it is a very positive addition to this end of Edinburgh and as to whether the version you describe above would have been a better one is debateable.

I also think the cafe is a great thing as it makes this place a "living" space (on a nice day anyway).
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Buttress,

28/05/2008 10:18:39
I think had it been more simple and more in sympathy with the statue it would have been equally as well used, and rather better.

As for the coffee place - the building could have been rather more in sympathy with the surroundings. As it is, it's too much trying to be an architectural statement which looks dated already.

It's not a place I feel I want to spend time. Less is more.

 

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