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Don't splash the cash, it starts a run on the pond



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Published Date: 28 April 2008
FOR more than 200 years it provided a sanctuary for a privileged few and kept everyone else at the gates.
But just weeks after St Andrew Square Garden was opened to the public, park bosses are hastily erecting signs to stop people diving into the pond for loose change.

Dating back to 1770, the garden – a world heritage site – underwent a £2.6 million revamp and it was billed as a "city centre oasis" when it opened earlier this month.

Now signs are to be put up around the reflective pool warning people not to throw in coins after visitors began "raiding" its waters.

City centre councillor Joanna Mowat today described those stealing from the pool as "punks".

Ian Broadfoot, of the Edinburgh City Centre Management Company, appealed for visitors to keep their money in their pockets.

He said: "We have recently noticed that people are throwing their small change into the fountain.

"This poses a new question for us in managing St Andrew Square Garden and there have been a few concerns raised over individuals raiding the fountain to remove money."

He added: "We are assessing this situation and hope to resolve the issue as soon as possible. In the meantime we would like to encourage visitors to the garden to continue to enjoy the surroundings but preferably keep their small change in their pockets or purses."

Council and business leaders had hailed the once-private park's opening as a great step forward in rejuvenating the city centre.

But Cllr Mowat said: "There's no end to the venality of the public – 'there's money in the fountain, let's go in and get it'. I know we've got a hard economic situation at the moment but how low will people go?

"I just think it's a bit sad. Opening the park up was of great value to the public and some punk has got to ruin it for everyone."

As well as the reflecting pool, the park boasts new lighting, a cafe and a new pathway linking department stores Harvey Nichols and Jenners.

Gordon Drummond, store manager at Harvey Nichols, said he would welcome the signs only if they were absolutely necessary.

He said: "I haven't seen anyone going in to get money. I think I would probably prefer not to have signs.

"The less signs the better, but if there's a problem then maybe they are needed.

"Whenever I look out it just seems a really vibrant, thronging place and looks fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, it's a great addition to Edinburgh's parkland."

Designed by renowned architect James Craig, St Andrew Square Garden was an integral part of his New Town masterplan.

Traditionally, it was open only to a select group of local residents and businesses, which have included philosopher David Hume, who lived at No. 8, and politician and inventor Henry Brougham, who lived at No. 21.

During the First World War, the gates were opened to visiting US soldiers who camped in the grounds.

The garden has been leased for the next 50 years from the St Andrew Square proprietors.

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1

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 28/04/2008 12:24:50
Makes you wonder if there is any point in spending money on civic amenities in the future. We seem to now have a generation of people who have no respect for anything.
2

S.E,

28/04/2008 12:32:09
Why is councillor Mowat talking like an American maverick cop? "Punk", very Dirty Harry! Anyone who knows anything these days knows that what passes for "punk" is the wee fat kids who hang around Cockburn Street. They wouldn't need to steal coins from a pool as their parents are all lawyers and doctors.
3

Randan,

28/04/2008 12:34:49
I blame the idiots throwing the coins in the pool in the first place.
4

Pepper,

28/04/2008 12:51:42
Why would you blame the idiots for throwing the coins? Traditionally money is thrown into fountains for a 'wish' and if people cannot behave then hell mend them!
5

BuddieWiser,

Penicuik 28/04/2008 12:52:25
We can't have any signs up; sends out the wrong message to the tourists. I always knew Edinburgh had a sizeable jakey population. Or maybe it's the Fifers who commute into the offices near the square.....
6

Randan,

28/04/2008 12:56:56
#4 Who decided it's a wishing fountain.
For a start, there is no fountain.

Bunch of muppets!
7

MacHibee,

28/04/2008 13:00:06
They must be chucking in some serious coinage! I dread to think who'd wade about in freezing water for a few 2p's!

P.S. £2,600,000? Due to the freedom of information thingy, do we have access to the break down of this project? I bet they shipped in water from the hanging gardens of babylon and the pavement was made of unicorn horns!
8

jabberjocky,

edinburgh 28/04/2008 13:16:36
punks not dead !
9

Jenny MacArthur,

28/04/2008 13:21:46
Can someone tell me the problem? If idiots want to throw their money away, and other idiots want to get their feet wet picking it out of the water, who exactly is suffering? Clr Mowat should get a life rather than looking down her nose in such a mean-minded way.
10

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 28/04/2008 13:39:45
We should get out some songs for the return of punk eh?

Sheena is a Pool Robber
Anarchy in the New Square
The Blitzkreig Dip
11

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 28/04/2008 13:41:41

The City Fathers will be erecting CCTV cameras next to catch the punks. Having already spent a ludicrous amount on this half-hearted oasis, enough is enough.
Why don't the powers that be quietly collect the "wishing well cash" and give it to charity.
12

Franck,

28/04/2008 13:41:43
I can just imagine all the pnks with their spear of destiny and sex pistols T shirts diving in the pool with red drainpipe jeans and pink mohicans!

Surely if the councillor knows that it's the punks, it woun't be hard to spot them in future!, Unless they come disguised as Mods!
13

The Judge,

28/04/2008 13:44:06
I wish the EEN would stop using the figure £2.6m the real figure is £5m.

I walked passed our new city centre park on Friday night and as I predicted a few weeks ago it was full of tracksuit wearing neds and nedettes drinking cheap cider and smoking dope, not exactly the city centre oasis our leaders envisaged.

A total waste of tax payers money from start to finish.
14

Buttress,

28/04/2008 13:52:37
The Cockburn Association warned against the pool and the ghastly 'pavilion'.

How long before the first is filled in and the second removed as it is being vandalised and broken into (and it's an architectural eyesore as well)?

15

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 14:08:23
It's unlikely to be "punks". It's more likely to be low-life jakeys looking for cash to fund their Special Brew habit.
16

Frank Booth,

Lumberton 28/04/2008 14:37:01
This is such a pathetic story.

Why don't all you little doom and gloom whiners just put yourselves out of your misery? It'd make the world a far more enjoyable and interesting place for the rest of us.

x

17

Andrew Murphy,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 14:56:11
I would only go in if they were £1 or £2 coins. No wonder they kept the gardens in the New Town locked up for years.

The plebs from the Old and New Town were never trusted by the people who moved into that area - that's why the gardens were kept closed for so long.

The answers simple, pay someone to look after the gardens, someone like a park keeper.

Let him kick the punks out of the gardens if they are caught damaging them.

Don't let the minority ruin our heritage for the majority who enjoy Edinburgh's historic past and present.


18

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/04/2008 15:13:56
Chris Marshall , well done Mate.. what a story. I can almost see you cackling away to yourself, enjoy it youve created a beauty here.

Are "Punks" really "diving" into the pool for small change ? Are they ? Really ?!

Theyre not lets face it , but its a good story and thats what counts.

It's probably more likely to be New Romantics.
19

The Judge,

28/04/2008 15:26:30
#17 Who's going to pay his or her wages? If you think he'll be able to stop the jakies and neds from creating trouble you need your head examined, we have dozens of people on the city payroll who already duck out at the first sign of trouble we don't need another one.

20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/04/2008 15:33:41
19 I hear what youre saying but since 4Million has already been spent on it , another 15k a year to employ a semi jake parking attendant wouldnt break the bank. If.This.Is true.
21

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

28/04/2008 15:36:04
Whats a reflecting pool ? Eh ?

Do you also get ones that dont reflect ?
22

Pinky,

28/04/2008 15:45:09
#19

He'll have all the money he can collect from the pond. That should be enough incentive for him to wrestle punks in scuba gear.
23

wolfette,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 16:13:54
it's a great British tradition - wherever there's a body of water - pool, fountain, whatever - we throw money into it. Comes from our ancient Pagan ancestors trying to appease the local goddess of the waters.
24

The Judge,

28/04/2008 16:27:00
£15,000? More like £22,000 + overtime and bonuses. Even then do you think he'd be out there dealing with the trouble or do you think he'd be hiding in his van? I know what I think he'd be doing and its not his job.

These gardens should have been left how they were, instead they have become a magnet for every junkie, ned and jakie in the city centre.
25

Axelfols,

Edinbury 28/04/2008 17:16:52
Step away from the pond punk!!!
26

AndrewS,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 17:25:01
The garden looked well used in the Sunshine on Sunday. How do I recognise a punk or a jake, as they sound like undesirables who if seen in the garden should be reported with a 999 call to the police.
27

is it me?,

28/04/2008 17:37:15
#26
The've got squelchy shoes...even the ones up the High St.
28

in-the-know,

28/04/2008 18:38:39
How utterly stupid the council are and all above for not seeing the potential money making opportunity here and how to harvest it cost effectively.

here is how easy it is, no parkies no CCTV and no signs required.

Put a 35mm weldmesh liner 150mm off the bottom across the entire bottom of the pond, it allows the money to fall through but stops cans and bottles etc, the mesh can be lifted once or twice a year the money recovered and put towards good causes everything cleaned and put back in again.
Not rocket science and an easy job for any blacksmith.
29

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28/04/2008 18:44:07
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28/04/2008 18:46:46
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31

Matthew Dunn,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 20:41:06
I think it's all rather silly, but I'd like to point out that I am the guy in that photo!
:D
Very Happy!
32

is it me?,

28/04/2008 20:47:43
#31
Do you know you've got a hairy leech under your ear ?
33

Matthew Dunn,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 21:02:05
Haha, yeah. I love my burns!
34

Julian,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 22:10:36
The Judge,

I think Mario's idea is common sense. OK, so the guy might be paid 20k a year but why not get him/her to mantain the park at the same time.

Although, as someone already said, if a few neds and schemies want to get soaked at 1 in the morning to retrieve a few pounds woth of coppers that some even bigger idiot threw into the water then it's not exactly the burning issue of the day.
35

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28/04/2008 22:13:05
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36

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28/04/2008 22:15:25
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37

Julian,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 22:36:27
Matthew # 33,

Were you actually throwing a coin into the water or just posing for the photo? Please tell me it was the latter;o)
38

Matthew Dunn,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 19:01:09
Julian #37

I was just posing :P I actualy had a big grin on my face cause my friends were laughing at me.

 

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