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Published Date: 12 February 2008
SCOTTISH Labour leader Wendy Alexander today appeared to be on a collision course with her Westminster colleagues after a Scotland Office minister spoke out against the creation of more powers for Holyrood.
David Cairns said he did not believe Labour had lost last year's election to the SNP because people were crying out for fresh powers to be handed over to the Scottish Parliament – and he dismissed calls for more tax powers for Holyrood as a concern o
f the "McChattering classes".

His comments came as Ms Alexander continues to pursue plans for a cross-party Scottish Constitutional Commission to look at the question of further devolution.

Labour, Liberal Democrat and Tory leaders are co-operating on the scheme, which would come up with proposals to give the parliament more powers as an alternative strategy to the SNP's aim of independence.

Ms Alexander yesterday denied weekend reports that the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, was seizing control of the initiative and insisting that it would be run from Westminster.

But today's comments from Mr Cairns reveal the level of scepticism within the Labour Party at UK level on the question of extending Holyrood's powers.

Mr Cairns said that 11 years on from the Scottish Parliament referendum, there was a need to refresh the notion of devolution.

"There is an argument for reclaiming devolution at the heart of what government does," he said.

But he also added: "I'm not convinced that the reason why we lost the election was because the Scottish people were crying out for more powers for the Scottish Parliament and they had a notion Labour was against this, so they delivered a one-seat majority to the SNP."

He said the UK Government had already given more powers to Holyrood since the parliament was established in 1999.

Mr Cairns cited transport as an example, and he made clear his opposition to more tax powers being transferred.

He said: "The Government's position is that we think the current fiscal arrangements benefit Scotland.

"There are stable, transparent increases in public spending in Scotland.

"There is no case for the massive restructuring of that. In any case, the Scottish Parliament has powers to levy additional taxes if they think that's what they need, and they haven't used them."

Mr Cairns claimed that support for independence was "going backwards".

He argued the election results last May showed Scottish voters had become "bored and fed up" with Labour.

He said: "The issues coming up to me were the performance of the NHS, education, antisocial behaviour. The issues of us not being Scottish enough or more powers to the Scottish Parliament simply did not resonate."





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  • Last Updated: 12 February 2008 9:47 AM
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1

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 12/02/2008 10:51:48
Nice one David, keep up the good work for the SNP!
2

AJ Fife,

12/02/2008 11:00:47
Perfect, they are playing into our hands, just as we anticipated!
3

Splashie,

12/02/2008 11:22:22
So, Gordon Brown dismisses the Constitutional Commission and wants it downgraded to a "working group" now Cairns says no to any susbstantive new powers.

I await the unionists telling us how great this Constitutional Commission is.

Are Labour trying to appear chaotic, confused and incompetent?
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/02/2008 12:05:16
#4 Splashie

Labour don't have to try too hard to be chaotic confused or incompetent! Left hand doesn't know what right's doing, Broon backs Wendy then Cairns puts the tin lid on any real aspirations (no doubt secretly supported by Broon).

This was an Alexander-inspired attempt to make up a "pretend-SNP" as they can see what the public now regards as important to them rather than what some virtual think-tank says ought to be imposed from on high from the Constipated Commission. It's still an attempt at command and control politics which I think we all thought had come down with the Berlin Wall, but Labourites have as a built-in reflex. Conservatives and Libs seem to have the same sort of confusion in their ranks over this one.

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me150,

12/02/2008 12:14:06
Why would anyone want the Scottish Government to have more powers? Rogue politicians and parties could then do as they wish with little regard to what is right.

The current Scottish Government needs to be controlled by London, in most areas, because otherwise they would really screw us over.

As usual the comments posted on this forum come from singleminded SNP supporters who cannot see the truth beyond their belief in the SNP.

There comes a time when even the biggest supporters need to look at issues without political bias. If you don't then correct decisions will never be made.
7

AJ Fife,

12/02/2008 12:33:45
Wendy#7,

Did big Gordon tell you to say that?
8

subrosa,

12/02/2008 12:39:20
# 7

I do resent being called single minded. As an SNP supporter I've witnessed 60+ years of labour and tory rule and it's that experience which caused me to widen my thoughts. I gave careful consideration to my decision and opted to support the SNP. Of course I don't agree with some of their policies but they DO something not just talk.
9

InsideOutside,

me, me, me150 aka Corrupt Wendy 12/02/2008 13:24:18
#7

The SNP have done more FOR Scotland in the short time they have been in power than Labour have ever done! The corrupt Labour MSP's headed by Dodgy Wendy are a joke and an embarrassment to Westminster. If Big Gord didn't have their own party donations issue Wendy would be long gone and it is clear the pressure was on the Electoral Commission to bow to Westminster. No doubt they will have an increase in their funding for fiscal year 08/09.

Change is happening under the SNP and I applaud Mr Salmond for driving forward, for the good of all Scotland. I don't agree with all his policies but the SNP are an absolute breath of fresh air after the joke administration run by Labour.


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Andy 52,

Utopia 12/02/2008 13:33:09
Yes good old DC. A step nearer independence but to paraphrase a great old freedom fighter "Keep your powder dry the real fight will be after independence" Roll on the Independent Socialist Repubic of Scotland!
11

Paco Luna,

Bo'ness 12/02/2008 14:21:09
There comes a time when even the biggest supporters need to look at issues without political bias. If you don't then correct decisions will never be made.

me150 I couldnt agree with you more . Perhaps though I might suggest that you follow your own advice . If you could get past that Labour Party bias you would see that the new Scottish Government has done more for Scotland in 8 months than the previous lot did in 8 years. This is despite being held back by non-entities like David Cairns .

How can you take seriously a party who voted against their own budget amendment?
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 12/02/2008 14:34:42
i can see the point of not giving wendy any more power,she is unable to keep control of her bungs,after all she is just a puppet of gordon, the man unable to make a decision
13

Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 16:07:59
"Mr Cairns said that 11 years on from the Scottish Parliament referendum, there was a need to refresh the notion of devolution."

I wonder does Mr Cairns suffer from any or all of these conditions "selective deafness", "selective blindness", "selective illiteracy"!!!! When it come to the wants and need of the people of Scotland!!!
14

Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 16:09:30
#2 Jackie Priest: Aye, good post
15

Leerie the Lamplighter,

12/02/2008 16:16:54
It's still very early days. Nobody, at Holyrood or elsewhere, is in a position to start making decisions on devolving more powers to the Scottish Parliament.

The Parliament was elected by 51.8 of the electorate in the most shambolic process ever seen.

48.2% of eligible voters didn't bother to cast a vote or were among the 146,000 spoiled papers.

Alex Salmond played a very cynical bluff on the Budget vote but that was mere rhetoric.

Let’s remember – more votes were cast in May 2007 for the other parties by non-Labour voters than were cast for the SNP.
16

Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 16:17:45
#7 me150: I think you'll find that the Rogue politicians and parties, live or at least controled by London.

Are you a Labour party spin doctor or researcher, by any chance"

Think you should read this part of yer comment again and alpy it to yer self!!! You also need to tink whats realy best for Scotland. SNP aren't perfict BUT they are doing a good job in Holyrood so far.

"There comes a time when even the biggest supporters need to look at issues without political bias. If you don't then correct decisions will never be made."

Do you actal live in Scotland? Cause when you think London should have more control rather than less, it makes some of us think that yer may be a Londoner!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 16:34:40
#19 Leerie the Lamplighter,: "It's still very early days. Nobody, at Holyrood or elsewhere, is in a position to start making decisions on devolving more powers to the Scottish Parliament."

Really!!! You don't seem to no much about the bussness world. Sort term plans are typicaly 12months and long term are typical about 5 or 10 years.

An organsaton which stated in the year 2000, if successful should have some growth in their market share and on what they produce/ serve.

This is true also about Holyrood it's only natural after 8 1/2 years we'd want expand and have more power at Holyrood.

P.S. I'm really quite take back by your comment as someone who was finshing school when deveoltion was first preposed and thinking about going to college, has now Graduated from Universty.

My perseption is that I've experenced this level of develotion all my adult life, and feel like I've been an adult for a huge chunk of my life (& it's true!!)

I'm in the postion when I feel like that these years can hardly be called the parlements infancy years and we have move on and expect what we were given BUT now need more!!!
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12/02/2008 16:35:01
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Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 16:45:50
#23 JuanKerr: Aye, may be it's relations to the MP's who are being paid thosands for nothing really so they do this so they feel like they are actualy getting paid to do something!!!

So you couldn't possible expect them to do it for any longer than an hour a day!!!

#24 DaveSubsea: Thats a wee bit unfare!!!
Besides you forgot the the classics "here we go round the mullberry bush" (tells them how to get to their work place after waking up after a ruff night) and "the Hokay Coaky".


20

Jim Rockford,

12/02/2008 16:53:22
As a Unionist I found the McChattering classes remark more than a touch offensive.

Google David Cairns MP and you'll find this guy's website. Navigate to "About Me" and make up your own mind about his priorities.
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12/02/2008 17:08:17
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12/02/2008 17:09:08
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Leerie the Lamplighter,

12/02/2008 17:10:38
Eve, let's look at "selective illiteracy".

You wrote:

"read this part of yer comment again and alpy it to yer self!!!

need to tink

SNP aren't perfict

You don't seem to no much about the bussness world

Sort term plans are typicaly 12months

as someone who was finshing school when deveoltion was first preposed

now Graduated from Universty

My perseption is that I've experenced this level of develotion

these years can hardly be called the parlements infancy years and we have move on"

I bow to your superior debating skills!

I am moving on now - with tears of laughter in my eyes!
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12/02/2008 17:14:59
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12/02/2008 17:16:53
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An Beal Bacht,

12/02/2008 17:35:42
I think that G. Brown would like to support W. Alexander but is having to fight a rearguard action of his own. The ambitious within the party must surely be circling G. Brown and his clique - looking for weakness and creating a narrative that suits their purpose. The Alexanders have become a liability to G. Brown and he is narrowing the circle.

He may have cashed some checks (called in favours) - or signed some (promises made) - to give her some breathing space. But that is as far as he is going to go. Now it's up to her. But she is surrounded by disgruntled "comrades" with sharp knives.

Wendy has indicated that she won't stand again so she is clearly looking for an out.. It is Wendy's task to create a pause in the criticism long enough for her to create the narrative that allows her to leave - with her chins up.

Her "comrades" within the party might be persuaded to help out. After all - it is not just W. Alexander that has had her integrity questioned - it is the labour party culture as well. The "comrades" may choose to help her to an honourable withdrawal if they can salvage some credibility for the party in the process.

W. Alexander is bloodied but unbowed - perhaps she does not grasp the extent of her - very public - humiliation. From "puddles" to patsy in a few short months. Perhaps we should avert our eyes from the lassies disgrace while she packs her bags and posts her CV's.
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Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 17:48:27
#29 Leerie the Lamplighter: I have dyslexia!!! It's very common and it does effect us in these ways, that you like to draw attention to.

You must suffer from jumping to conclusion before you know any facts syndrome with a hint of sarcasm and arrogance.

I feel sorry for you and yer problem, there's really no way around it unless you open your mind and think more carefully before you type.

Lucky for me I don't let my disability stop me doing things and learning.

#30 JuanKerr: Thanks I think, BUT I'm very Anti-smoking (these days, for a number of reasons), it's chocolate I have in between some of my keys in my case.
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Eve,

Scotland 12/02/2008 17:59:22
#26 Jim Rockford: I like a large percentage of people don't live in the Inverclyde Constituency.

He says he is doing his job, has lots of photo with people. Some would call these publicity shots (me included).

Well may be in that case the people of Inverclyde opinion differ from the rest of Scotland!!! (I suppose it wouldn't be imposable.)
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me150,

12/02/2008 19:13:41
Opinions so biased and ill thought.

It seems that most of the posters here are actually incapable of thinking for themselves. The total misbelief of the possibility that there may be good things other than SNP,ha ha!!

Most of you seem to be single minded and staunch believers in any thing SNP or devolution based. So much so that you get personal, arogant and very forceful with your posts.

I am sure that the country is very happy that none of you lot have anything to do with running the country. You'd do a worse job than the current lot are.
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subrosa,

12/02/2008 19:24:31
# 35

Someone said to me the other day that people were far better educated in the 3 Rs in the 50s than today. You prove their point, certainly with the writing.
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morris,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 21:06:06
If I were trying to rebuild Puddles popularity,I would refuse to make any concessions at Westminster (cue one David Cairns) and then slowly but surely stage manage concessions, granted because of the strength and intellectual depth of the arguments put forward by SUPER PUDDLES.(cue one Muppet)
It would need to be carefully stage managed over a long time, and get some coverage in shows like the Five Thirty Labour broadcast,(in the public interest of course).
These concessions will be heralded as major concessions,but in fact they will have been agreed a long time ago, and filed under Minimal Devolution Mk II version.
DO NOT USE UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
I for one smell a big fat Labourat here.

Devolution has one purpose only.To retain SCOTLAND'S oil revenues at no 10 and guess what numpties its designed to be swallowed by!
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morris,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 21:09:06
35 The country is Scotland and the SNP are runnning it! Concensus politics certainly,but they are the largest party.

Of course maybe you mean Westminster. Expect changes there very soon.Maggie Broon for a start, thats if hes even re elected as an MP!
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morris,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 21:18:39
33

Eve (dearest, crawl ,crawl etc)

Ive known you were dyslexic for some time,and I would be the first to acknowledge that it has never stopped you making your point,but I cannot help noticing that this post is perfect, as far as I can see.

You sure pick a funny time to improve ,when trying to point out you are dyslexic. Sods law probably.

WELL DONE ANYWAY !
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brownlie,

Glasgow 12/02/2008 22:07:32
It is not Wendy, per se, that I object to but rather the fact that she is the puppet of an organisation so deluded by power in the last few years that they think they can do anything with impunity and the McChatterers will have to accept it.
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donald,

glasgow 13/02/2008 09:22:25
Enough posturing. We all know that Labour never wanted any power for Scotland, no matter how miniscule. They were forced into every tiny, reluctant, step by the demand for Independence.
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Eve,

Scotland 13/02/2008 13:17:57
#39 morris: Some times the spell checker works!!!
Some times it parsley works and sometimes it refuse to check my spelling. I suppose your right about it being Sods law.

 

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