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Legal setback to Wendy's 'straight-choice' vote call



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Published Date: 10 May 2008
A BID by Labour to force a Yes/No referendum between Scottish independence or staying in the UK could be blocked on legal grounds, it was claimed today.
Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander has urged the SNP government to bring forward the vote Alex Salmond and his colleagues are planning for 2010 and allow people a straight choice as soon as possible.

But former Scottish Tory leader and Edinbur
gh Pentlands MSP David McLetchie said the SNP's proposed referendum question – seeking approval for negotiations on independence – had been carefully worded to stay within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.

And he claimed a more direct question could require the referendum to be run by Westminster because the constitution is a UK responsibility.

Mr McLetchie, a lawyer by profession, said: "The crucial thing is the nature of the question. It looks as if the Scottish Parliament can only ask the question the way the SNP wants, which is a rather soft question, instead of the much blunter, more direct question the pro-Union side would want."

He pointed to the Government's own National Conversation document, which says the competence of the Scottish Parliament to legislate for a referendum would depend on the precise proposition.

The document adds: "At present the constitution is reserved, but it is arguable that the scope of this reservation does not include the competence of the Scottish Government to embark on negotiations for independence with the United Kingdom Government."

The Nationalists' proposal is to ask voters to say if they agree the Scottish Government "should negotiate a settlement with the Government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state".

Ms Alexander said earlier this week she was "very attracted to the idea of a straight choice for or against independence".

And Edinburgh North & Leith Labour MSP Malcolm Chisholm said the question should ask people whether or not they wanted Scotland to remain part of the UK.

But Mr McLetchie said: "It would appear that kind of direct question would not be competent. Wendy would have to ask Alex's question.

"If they want to ask a more direct question, they would need a UK referendum bill – and I can't see Gordon Brown rushing to introduce that.

"It just shows how totally ill-conceived this idea is."

Mr Chisholm said legal experts would have to look at the matter, but he believed since it would be an "advisory" referendum, "it should not be an issue".

A spokesman for the First Minister said the government's proposed question was closely based on the wording of the 1997 devolution referendum which led to the Scottish Parliament.

And he said: "The Scottish Parliament cannot, of itself, make Scotland independent.

"The question reflects the nature of the process and the relationship we seek."





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  • Last Updated: 10 May 2008 11:38 AM
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10/05/2008 12:37:34
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Hmm ...,

10/05/2008 12:56:38
... I have to agree with Genuine! (Are we the only two people who are not out enjoying the sunshine on the ilovely day)?

But it IS typical of Yesterday's News that she has gone off half-cocked, without even bothering to read about the issue. If the Tories can delegate someone to read about the Conversation, surely the Party formerly known as Labour could do the same.

Unless her bright idea really was formed while she was speaking on air, in which case we can expect no better from her.
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karinxxx,

10/05/2008 13:20:01
Im really going to have to go to the doctor i have the most terrible pain in my sides. I really cant figure out what has caused it i actually noticed a small cut appearing in my right side. The only thing that I have been doing differently in the last year is laughing a lot. Could this be the problem. Has anyone else experienced this?
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me150,

10/05/2008 14:21:56
The yes/no question is a non starter.

We need full disclosure of every element that may be affected by a change to independence before we can make an intelligent decision rather than just wanting independence regardless.
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megz,

glasgow 10/05/2008 14:33:21
gotta ask, how long has wendy been in holyrood? How large is her brain? How the hell does she not know any of the parliamentary rules?
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FrancesP,

10/05/2008 15:19:44
It's not often David McLetchie is the bearer of good news...
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 15:37:18
Does Wendy Alexander have any knowledge of the law and Holyrood procedures ?
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Edward,

10/05/2008 15:48:09
#4 me150,
Why dont you start by reading the white paper issued by the Scottish Government which lays out theoptions
But somehow I think you will ignore that as you will vote no regardless
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MartinR,

Inverness 10/05/2008 15:51:56
No, I think McLetchie has it wrong. His argument is premised in the SNP's 'National Conversation' document, which isn't even a white paper.

The fact is that Labour ( or anyone else for that matter)could introduce a bill on a referendum providing the governing party (ie the SNP) haven't already done so.

As Salmond and co prefer to keep in the Union for a couple more years, and don't really want a referendum in the first place, as they know they'll lose, Labour can introduce a bill on one this year, next year or at any time until the SNP introduce one. This looks to be Alexander's plan.
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Toast,

10/05/2008 16:15:29
Wendy is quite used to ignoring laws and rules,apparently they are for the "little people" not the leader of new labour in Scotland.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 10/05/2008 16:34:04
9 MartinR

Wendy is prohibited from introducing a private members bill as the Scottish Government has already filed a white paper indicating that it intends to have a bill voted on in this term of the government.

This ends the speculation.
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Law Student,

10/05/2008 16:41:05
Martin - I've just been glancing through the Scottish Act 1998, the relevant passages are Section 29 - Legislative Competence, Schedule 4 - Enactments etc. protected from modification and Schedule 5 - Reserved matters.

Specifically, Schedule 4, 2 (1)
An Act of the Scottish Parliament cannot modify, or confer power by subordinate legislation to modify, the law on reserved matters.

Schedule 4, 4 (1)
An Act of the Scottish Parliament cannot modify, or confer power by subordinate legislation to modify, this Act.

Schedule 5, 1
The following aspects of the constitution are reserved matters, that is—

(b)
the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England,

So I would say that actually McLetchie is correct in the argument that a direct referendum on independence is going beyond the Scottish Parliament's legal authority. (Or rather, acting positively in response to a 'yes' vote would ). You have to remember that the Scottish Parliament is a subordinate entity to Westminster and that its legislative power is delegated from Westminster.

In reality however, I don't see what anyone could or would do if a referendum was held and the yes vote won, so its really a moot point ;) But technically, he's correct.
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MartinR,

Inverness 10/05/2008 18:25:17
"In reality however, I don't see what anyone could or would do if a referendum was held and the yes vote won"

Or indeed a no vote....
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Bertie The Bat,

10/05/2008 21:59:35
Let the train take the strain.
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