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It's a buyer's market as credit crunch hits home



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Published Date: 03 July 2008
Average property values are edging upwards, but prices in some areas are down by more than £70,000.
PROPERTY prices in an area of Edinburgh have plummeted by more than £70,000 on average, while house values across the city have risen just 1.6 per cent, new figures have revealed.

The statistics from the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre (ESPC) present a mixed picture for house and flat owners in all parts of the city.

Click here to see house prices in your area of Edinburgh

While prices are still nudging ahead of the same period last year, many parts of the city have seen average prices nosedive.

New developments and the lack of big sales in certain areas have caused some dramatic dips and peaks in some property prices.

In south-west Edinburgh, one of the city's most affluent suburbs, with a large stock of spacious family homes, the average cost of a home between March and May this year was down £70,062 – that's 21 per cent – compared with the same period last year.

The prices of homes in the city centre and Edinburgh South have also dipped, while there have been reductions in the average value of flats sold in the city centre, Edinburgh North and Edinburgh West.

But despite the situation in some parts of the city, the average price of property across the Capital in the three months is still 1.6 per cent ahead of the same period last year at £227,985.

David Marshall, business analyst at the ESPC, said: "The overall picture is we are moving towards a buyer's market.

"We currently have 6300 properties for sale in East Central Scotland – 50 per cent higher than last year. There is a lot more selection in the market and that leads to lower premiums.

"The seller may have to lower their expectations because the buyer is now in a stronger negotiating position. They have to balance their expectations for their own sale with an understanding of the market they are in, where they will be moving to and how much that will cost."

The average home in the Capital now sells for around 21 per cent above the asking price, compared to about 28 per cent last year.

The difficulty of many buyers at the lower end of the market accessing mortgages has been blamed for the cooling of prices, especially in smaller flats.

With 50 per cent more homes available for sale through the ESPC than the same period last year, prices are falling.

Mr Marshall said that changes to demand and supply means the average property is taking ten days longer to sell than the same time last year.

He added: "There are less properties selling and the same number coming on. A lot of buyers are taking a 'wait and see' attitude but sellers still don't want to sell at the wrong price, so they are holding on for a bit longer.

"Buyers, especially first-time buyers, have to be aware that, if they are able to secure a mortgage, they are in a much stronger negotiating position."

While there were six £1 million-plus sales in the city centre in 2007, so far this year there have been none.

In the south-west of the city, which includes Baberton, Balerno and Currie, the average price of a home between March and May 2007 was £333,510, but in the same period this year it was only £263,448.

But the ESPC said that part of the explanation for the drop was that the number of sales dropped from 76 to 55, while there were more smaller-value properties sold than last year.

Two-bedroom properties in the area fell 1.9 per cent, while 3-4 bedroom homes increased by 1.7 per cent.

In Murrayfield, year-on-year prices for flats are down 39.4 per cent at £217,494, but the average size of the property has also reduced, from 2.5 beds to two. While 15 properties sold for more than £750,000 last year, there have been only three £500,000-plus sales so far this year.

Across the city, the ESPC said that larger properties, where buyers are likely to have more access to credit, are selling well and still seeing price growth of around six per cent.

But many areas with a large number of flats – such as Gorgie, Dalry and Leith – are seeing static or negative prices as first-time buyers struggle to get mortgages after a tightening of lending by banks and building societies.

Recent figures from the Council of Mortgage Lenders Scotland showed there were 16,000 mortgages issued in the first quarter of 2008, compared to 20,000 in the first quarter of 2007.

John Lints, founding partner of the Lints Partnership, part of the ELPG group of five solicitor firms, said: "Although clearly we can't say that the market is doing as well as we would like it to, there are still properties being sold and prices are rising.

"There's no doubt that we have felt some effects from the credit crunch, but we are still in good shape compared to many other regions across the UK.

"In Edinburgh we are very lucky in that we have a broad-based economy, allied to a shortage of good-quality property, which allows our property market to be distinct and largely immune from the problems which have affected the English market."

Scott Brown, estate agency partner at Warners, said: "There's no doubt that the current economic conditions have been felt in Scotland.

"A lot of people are tightening their belts due to rising fuel prices and the cost of living, but these figures show that although the market has slowed recently, houses in Edinburgh and the Lothians are still selling, and prices in some areas are rising.

"Good properties are continuing to sell well and there are still many people looking to either buy or sell homes in the Lothians."

MP SUPPORTS REDRESS
NEW measures to protect people buying and selling their homes through estate agents have been hailed by an Edinburgh MP.

The UK Government has announced all residential estate agents must belong to a redress scheme by October 1 and has given greater powers to the Office of Fair Trading to remove rogue estate agents from the market.

Edinburgh North and Leith MP Mark Lazarowicz said the move was good news for Scottish home-buyers.

He said: "I've been pressing for more rights for new home-buyers, and this is a welcome first step.

"As estate agents have a much smaller share of the market in Scotland than elsewhere, because solicitors have the biggest share, the implications are not so great as elsewhere in the UK, but there are still thousands of properties bought and sold through estate agents in Scotland.

"This measure will help protect many people in Scotland who previously did not have adequate opportunities for redress."

www.espc.com


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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2008 1:33 PM
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1

K.R,

03/07/2008 12:05:45
it may be a buyers market, but only for the more affluent.
mortgage lender are not giving 100% mortgages at the moment and unless you have around 8k saved up 1st time buyer can't get on the property market
2

Capital Boy,

03/07/2008 12:11:51
so overall the average house price in edinburgh has actually gone up compared with this time last year, oh dear some forum members will be utterly livid to read this !!
3

allknowing,

03/07/2008 12:17:11
#1 try 15K
4

FrankGallagher,

03/07/2008 12:27:35
Isn't it great how the Edinburgh Evening News takes money daily from people trying to sell there homes by advertising in this paper and then they do nothing more than create panic among people. Well done EEN, I hope the solicitors wake up to this and stop using you as an advertising vehicle and stop filling your pockets.
5

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:36:27
News flash - the ESPC are offering 100% mortgages see their website!
6

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:40:55
Sorry I just read the comment from 4 above - Frank I could not agree with you more! The EEN loves nothing more than a scare monger story of doom and gloom whereby they highlight all the negatives!

I am actually a solicitor and the figures are nowhere near as bad as they make out above and if you live in a strong area the demand is still strong! Furthermore, we can see new build prices moving back to the bargain prices they used to be around 7 years ago which helps first time buyers!

Frank - trust me everything sells in the end and I am sure you will get your price - do not worry!
7

Milo Spav,

03/07/2008 12:41:14
Scott Brown, estate agency partner at Warners, apparently said: "There's no doubt that the current economic conditions have been felt in Scotland."

This makes me wonder if there are times when current economic conditions are not being felt in Scotland.
8

K.R,

03/07/2008 12:48:44
#3 I am about to sign for my mortage on monday and my final budget planner fee is £7,172. It really depends on your mortgage also I did not have to pay stamp duty
9

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 12:48:59
Judging by the picture, estate agents now offer house listings in Braille.

Which is nice.
10

Bob 2,

03/07/2008 12:49:29
At the end of the day, we are all suffering for "our" own greed and the buy now pay later attitude that we have had over the last 10 years.

One comment on the news summed it up " that people are no longer paying over the odds for property"

Building Societies/Banks have caused some of the problems, by lending us more than we can really afford, gone are 3 time the salary now its more like 4.5 times.

With House prices doubling over the last 10+ years, 1st time buyers have been unable to get on the 1st rung of the propery ladder.

And its all finally caught up with us, Reality that is !!!
11

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 12:53:42
10 There's a big boat and you can choose to get on it or you can be a waster or a squatter. Thats about the choices in life unfortunately. We all want a nice home to live in.
12

K.R,

03/07/2008 12:54:02
#5 the 100% mortgage with the espc is only available in a family member can be a guarantor .
13

Tigger08,

03/07/2008 13:15:57
# 4 & 6 - totally agree with you, if it weren't for the EEN and other press reports telling how bad the market is, the market probably won't be in the mess it is at the moment. The market was never this bad in Edinburgh until this all started getting reported and scaring people off. Its just a same for people who work in that industry who have been made or are facing redundancy because of it - you don't see any mention of that!

News has a lot to answer for!
14

allknowing,

03/07/2008 13:21:26
what self respecting adult would need or choose to have an " family member guarantor"

Quite pathetic.

Just save up, and get a normal mortgage like everyone else. Only now, you need a bigger deposit, and will be paying a higher mortgage rate! If you couldnt afford one last year, you have NO chance now!
15

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 13:28:02
At the end of the day, the sun goes down and it gets dark for several hours.
16

11+failed,

the pans 03/07/2008 13:33:12
"The average home in the Capital now sells for around 21 per cent above the asking price, compared to about 28 per cent last year"
That is a curious statistic when 60% of properties are on sale at a Fixed Price!
Perhaps if ESPC told us how many properties they sell each week it would be more informative than "There are less properties selling and the same number coming on" I note that their motto "we sell a property every six minutes" has been quietly dropped from their web site.
17

Brian Ferrari,

03/07/2008 13:43:12
ccc isn't going to like this.

Best be gentle with him.
18

ccc,

03/07/2008 13:44:35
Seems some people are easily fooled. :)

For example:

"In Murrayfield, year-on-year prices for flats are down 39.4 per cent at £217,494, but the average size of the property has also reduced, from 2.5 beds to two"

Haev average prices ACTUALLY fallen by almost 40% in Murrayfield over the last year ? Of course not. The figures are just skewed by the number and size of houses selling.

Of course this affects the overall figures as well. The overall figures showing a rise in the last year are false. They have simply been skewed by very very few lower end properties being sold compared to usual. This is obviously down to the fact first time buyers are finding it very difficult to get anywhere (A good thing in the long run)

If anyone really thinks that you will get more for the average housee today than you would this time last year you need to see a mental health expert. Seriously.

When supply doubles prices don't go up. You think otherwise you need help.
19

Geed,

03/07/2008 13:49:28
Are these ESPC Q2 figures (Scotsman can you confirm)? ESPC said they would be out on the the 10th of July? There appears to be nothing on the ESPC web site?

If these are the Edinburgh Q2 ESPC figures, then...

Q2 07 = £227,912
Q2 08 = £227,985

Prices are up a whopping 73 quid in one year!! Official CPI running at 3.3%. Where do they get the 1.6% from??? foo foo factor seasonal fiddle perhaps?
20

K.R,

03/07/2008 13:56:02
#14 think that was a bit harsh, But I turned down the 100% offer as I did not think it was right to ask a family member to be a guarantor.
21

Geed,

03/07/2008 14:03:28
4.FrankGallagher & 6.The Landlord. You were happy for the Johnstone press to ramp up property for over the last 3 years, a few realistic bearish articles from them and you now throw your toys out the pram :D

Do you really want to be spoon fed b*llshte "everything is fine" stories??? You would be a fool to think we are not in a downturn of the broader economy and the housing market. Inflation adjusted, your property is worth LESS than it was last year. Get over it.

13 Tigger08. Do you really think the Johnstone press has enough clout to influence the british economy as a whole, you crack me up. So, if the Johnstone press stop reporting about global warming, do you think it wont happen? Wake up!!!!!!!!
22

SS,

03/07/2008 14:07:28
"But Edinburgh's immune" they all scream at every chance. No it is not. The market is heading south. Supply has doubled, demand has not and as has already been pointed out - prices do not rise when demand doubles. Access is very different to a year ago; silly salary multiples have vanished, 100%+ mortgages have vanished and deposits have gone way up. If people can't access these facilities prices have to come down. The days of easy credit are gone for some time and that is only a good thing. It makes perfect sense for a bank to supply 115% mortgages when the market is growing 15% a year as there is very little risk. With most now only offering 80%-90% mortgages plus a hefty deposit, it provides a good clue as to where the lenders think the risk lies - the downside
23

traprain,

03/07/2008 14:11:29
"The average home in the Capital now sells for around 21 per cent above the asking price, compared to about 28 per cent last year"
I just love these fairy tales from ESPC. If sales on average are at a premium of 21% to asking prices with 60% sold at Fixed Price the premium on "Offers Over" sales must be 52%. In their dreams!
A better statistic would be to give the average percentage discount at which Fixed Price sales are concluded.
24

ccc,

03/07/2008 14:11:40
I really do feel sorry for anyone hear thinking these figures somehow show that Edinburgh is not in the midst of a property bust.

#6 - Landlord you are simply lying when you say things are not as bad they are made out to be. I know solicitors and we all know the REAL word on the street in your area of expertise. ;)

You think less than 125k for a tiny wee one bed flat in Granton is a 'bargain' ?!! What planet are you from. These flats will be selling for between 50-80k within a couple of years. You know it too so please stop with the denial stage. It is not very becoming.

The important figures to watch out for are the volume figures. I notice these have been kept on the backburner. I am sure they are down a lot from the same time last year.
25

FrankGallagher,

03/07/2008 14:12:04
21

I totally understand your point and I do think it is about time that there was a hault on property prices in Edinburgh. I am certainly not throwing toys out the pram, I just find EEN a total joke at times. The headline spells doom & gloom, but if you actually look at the figures that they have provided it is no way comaprable. The ESPC are due figures out soon, so perhaps then there maybe a news worthy story to report.
26

Geed,

03/07/2008 14:28:01
25 FrankGallagher. I think I better understand where you are coming from and I agree. The EEN make a bucket load of cash from Solicitors advertising property in their pages, the biased journalism refects this.

"The ESPC are due figures out soon" this is where I am confused, if they haven't realeased the Q2 figures yet, what set of figures does this article refer to, Scotsman??????


27

ccc,

03/07/2008 14:33:14
Guys wake up !!

Teh Scotsman and the ESPC are 2 peas in a pod. They always give their buddies a sneak preview of the figures in order to write a nice story about them. This is no different. It is much earlier than usual however.

I have yet to hear ANY EXPERT give the best advice possible to first time buyers. "Wait a few years, save up a mortgage and get a home cheaper than you can now"

Amazing with all the experts this paper uses for 'advice' not even one has come up with this most obvious and sensible of plans.

Still this article is not the worst in this paper by any means. Fairly realistic overall if somewhat confusing.
28

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 14:37:33
The Future is Lego.
29

drew 33,

03/07/2008 15:17:42
Solicitors are involved in buys as well as sales. I have just been advised by my solicitor to make an initial offer of 90% of the Fixed Price on a property "in the present market"
30

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03/07/2008 15:33:55
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31

Ela,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:39:46
29 Drew - I received the same advice from a solicitor at the First Time Buyer evening the ESPC hosted at their George st. offices a couple of weeks ago!
32

ccc,

03/07/2008 15:46:26
Good info #29 + 31. So people are being advised to offer at most 10% LESS than the seller wants. Yet we are supposed to believe average prices are 'edging upwards'. Complete nonsense.

I reckon 'The Landlord' is mighty worried. They have already stated they are a solicitor. By their username I imagine they have also dived in head first to the 'property investment' gold rush.

They are now realising all their eggs are in one basket. And that basket is about to be run over by a truck. :)

And by the way the 'offer' from the ESPC is not a 100% mortgage. It is a guarantor mortgage. Very different.
33

ccc,

03/07/2008 15:50:04
Also for anyone out there even thinking about listening to what these Estate agent chumps are saying in the above article have a think about this quote:


John Lints, founding partner of the Lints Partnership:

"In Edinburgh we are very lucky in that we have a broad-based economy, allied to a shortage of good-quality property, which allows our property market to be distinct and largely immune from the problems which have affected the English market."

So we are 'lucky' to have a shortage of good quality property in Edinburgh.............!!!???

Their self interest is disgusting - and so evident to see.
34

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 15:52:01
Mario, the future never comes.
35

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03/07/2008 15:52:13
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36

Arrow,

edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:08:05
i had a farmer friend who consider that if he did not make as much as he thought he was going to make in a year then it was a loss. this was depsite having made a significant profit. it is the same with houses. if you do not make as much as you (or the estate agent) though you were going to make based on their notional value then is it a loss or a realistic figure? "what is it worth?" only what some daft bu**er is prepared to pay you. and even then you need not accept it.
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 16:16:44
Sometimes the best thing to do is Nothing. Nothing at all. I've been telling my boss that for years.
38

Geed,

03/07/2008 16:21:54
35 Wilfred, Wait until this thing goes through a winter or two first. Edinburgh prices always dip in the first Quarter, so they should be a good 10-15 % down in general by winter and the some by next winter. Remember we are in peak selling season and transactions are down some 80% (quote from another of todays stories "According to Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre, the number of properties on sale has increased by half, while completions have tumbled by a fifth."), an amazing set of figures!!! This has a long long way to go. It has just begun. The economic news is getting worse by the day.

Ela 31, they just want your money at any cost, facing the inevitable fall in prices an agent will do anything, anything to get you to buy. What he should have said is "Save hard for the next 2 years, rent off a landlord and not the bank, it is cheaper. You will probably save yourself 25% off the asking price in two years time, patience".

Now that would have been GREAT advice.
39

easy money,

isle of skye 03/07/2008 16:31:24
aye aye...whatever...

an edinburgh solicitor told me today he expects the market to fall at least 10% in Edinburgh...(at a minimum)...and he's now laying off staff...and so are many other lawyers firms in the capital...i think he's probably right - we're going down by 10%...so what

its going to be a bumpy ride for 2 - 3 years but for those of you are highly geared i would imagine you'll be well placed to ride this out as the rental market will be fairly robust...if they cant buy they've got to rent and those of you who bought flats to rent 5-6 years ago must be quite happy...

the media have no doubt added to the gloom but i'd say that in 10 years we'll be back to the good times again...if you can survive till then you'll make a killing again and good luck to you....

year 2018 - Edinburgh decent 1 bed flats will be circa £200k (i exclude ghetto areas like gorgie & leith)
40

easy money,

isle of skye 03/07/2008 16:42:28
aye...also...

aberdeen is propping up the average prices throughout Scotland (due to hugs salaries off oil & gas) and therefore to say the prices have gone up is quite misleading...

an area thats still doing well however is the west highlands...no sign of any drops here (unless its an unsightly 1960's/70's/80's/90's bungalow or fake croft type house)- traditional 1 and a half story croft houses built circa 1890 / 1900 are doing well at present as its a different market...people that buy them are moving up from down south or are cash rich - they dont worry about getting finance...still some bargains to be had here but be quick....
41

googler,

03/07/2008 16:50:18
If it's just the ESPC figures, does it truly represent the state of the market as a whole?

Nothing included from non-ESPC members such as Rettie, Knight Frank, Savills, DJ Alexander, DTZ, RE/MAX, or anything sold by a surveyor........?

42

googler,

03/07/2008 16:57:02
"MP SUPPORTS REDRESS
NEW measures to protect people buying and selling their homes through estate agents ..."

Do I take it from this that an Estate Agency without an in-house solicitor will be required to join such a scheme, but a solicitor who performs Estate Agency services will not? (even though the ESPC's tagline is "ESPC - the mark of a great Estate Agent")
43

Ela,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 17:03:35
Thanks Geed 38, could not agree with you more. In fact, just signed a 12 month lease on a flat which is far nicer than I'm able to afford right now and costs less than the substandard mortgage offered. Shame on the banks and shame on the estate agencies! No point in being bitter though.....

44

easy money,

isle of skye 03/07/2008 17:14:32
#42

spoke to 2 Remax guys last week - they are in complete denial and insisted the market was holding up in Edinburgh...dont trust these guys - they are a very shady bunch and would quite happily stich you up with a new build in Rosyth thats loaded with negative equity...

45

K.R,

03/07/2008 17:24:04
if you are willing to commute to edinburgh, you get much more for your money in west lothian, broxburn has numerous new builds.
http://www.espc.com/Buying/262283.html
http://www.espc.com/Buying/256960.html
http://www.espc.com/Buying/263168.html

you get much more for your money.
46

FrankGallagher,

03/07/2008 17:34:37
But who in there right mind would want to live in West Lothian or Broxburn?
47

K.R,

03/07/2008 17:37:02
eh the same people who want to spend the same amount on a pokey wee flat in leith or gorgie
48

K.R,

03/07/2008 17:41:12
the prices are still pretty stable in east lothian, and as thier is a credit crunch its not really the time to be elitist
49

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 03/07/2008 17:44:05
Does all of this mean that Scottish estate agents and solicitors are actually going to have to put the true value of a property on the market instead of making the buyer hazard a guess at exactly how much over the asking price he will have to go. They've sat back for too many years and contributed very little into the property market, but they've taken plenty out of it.
50

easy money,

isle of skye 03/07/2008 17:45:45
#47 - kr

i think frank has a point - w.lothian / broxburn really is scraping the barrell...better off renting in edinburgh....new build out there will be the first victims of the fall...not a good investment...steer clear of all new build period but especially in w.lothian / broxburn
51

ccc,

03/07/2008 17:51:32
I just noticed something very interesting about the link in the story. Have a look at the bottom right.

"Figures based on sales recorded by ESPC. Where less than five sales of the given property type were recorded a figure is not provided."

Now have a look at how many places had less than 5 properties sold in THREE MONTHS !! Ouch...

Now of course there are areas that have mainly houses and only a few flats - and vice versa. However the sheer number of areas that have had virtually no sales is staggering.

Less than 5 flats sold in Cramond.
Less than 5 flats sold in East Craigs.
Less than 5 flats sold in Redhall.
Less than 5 houses sold in Cammo.
Less than 5 houses sold in Davidsons Mains.
Less than 5 houses sold in Orchard Brae.

And all this during the busiest time of year.
And they still tell us prices are rising. How stupid do they think the general public are.......
52

Mikhail-Edi,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 18:36:57
#2 - fantastic! :) As I said before - if the numbers don't go his way, ccc is gonna say it's a conspiracy. And what did ccc do? Exactly that. Well done, keep on fuming. ;-) It must be nice to live in a world where you are not in touch with numbers or reality...
53

ccc,

03/07/2008 19:04:55
#52. No conspiracy. Just a group of people with serious vested interests saying anything they can apart from the truth. But if you would prefer to trust estate agents that is our problem. :)

Serious question - Do you seriously think prices in this city are not falling ? Do you seriously think that selling your house today will get you more than doing it one year ago ?!!

What has happened since Jun 2007:

-Northern Rock bust.
-Massive increase in oil price.
-Inflation gaining speed.
-Increase in cost of living.
-Economy on the rocks.
-Stories about house prices and the economy going down the tubes everywhere.
-Number of mortgage products decimated.
-Cost of mortgages soaring.
-Amount required as deposit soaring.
-First time buyer market decimated.
-Number of properties available to buy more than double.
-Number of people wanting to buy decimated.
-Offers over gradually being taken over by fixed price.
-End of the 'bidding wars' pushing up prices in blind auctions.
-Britain's biggest Builders essentially bankrupt (Barrats, Wimpey)
-Many British banks almost bankrupt.
-House repossesions on the rise.
-Flats in Edinburgh going to auction as no-one will buy them on the open market.
-Personal bankruptcies on the rise.

If house prices in Edinburgh have RISEN following all that I am Prince Charles....

54

Bob 2,

03/07/2008 19:20:03
no11 and your point is, try and comment on the article in question.

and if the ships is sinking?

We have become obsessed with the price of a house, natural increases people can live with.

But rises were a house has went from £50k to £140k in value in ten years, doesn't help the property ladder, then the offers over, used to be a few thousand and then like an auction...people got carried away... offering £20k+ over the asking price.

Watch these property programmes, this Cupboard...sorry spacious upper villa is only £225k......right.

The reality is we all pay on the never never, people have no reality of "money" now a days.

But thats the society we life in today.!!!
55

Mister T,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 20:43:23
Prices built up prices knocked down.
Either way read all about it in the EEN and watch sales in something increase. Well done in copying the London Evening Standard in actively promoting all this guff.
56

easy money,

isle of skye 03/07/2008 21:22:03
ccc - you're the guy who lives in the caravan park near Muirhouse right?
57

ccc,

03/07/2008 21:45:37
Nah I am no caravan boy !!
58

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/07/2008 22:13:26
Wahaha
59

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04/07/2008 09:45:07
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Geed,

04/07/2008 10:32:33
59 Willoughby

Can't do that! That would be painting a REALISTIC picture. ;)

Geez... still a lot of people on here resent ccc making the right decision and not buying into this circus. He learn't the easy way by probably doing his research, all you others who have overstretched and bought at the wrong time, acting like drones and lemmings, will the learn the hard way. I can understand your "sour grapes" attitude.... oh well it won't help you though. Are you listening 52??
61

Mikhail-Edi,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 10:41:38

ccc, congratulations, your highness... :)
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techpunk,

04/07/2008 10:50:15
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what is it with this opinion that everyone who has bought a flat within the last few years have overstretched themselves?, and deserve to be riled for it, to boot!.

the far greater proportion simply have not overstretched, and have reaped good returns on the value of their homes. unless we see year on year drops of 10 - 15% for the next 5 years or so, "we" will remain in the black. that has not happened yet (it most likely will not happen, unless someone knows something everybody else does not). most owners will also be able to soak the tiny percentage price drops being seen, quite easily.

ccc, by the way, is no good example. he wants to buy into this "circus" you know. he also accepts the boom and bust cycle, and is unable to clarify what his stance will be when he at some point in the future as a home owner, he is faced with a downturn in the value of his own home.

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ccc,

04/07/2008 13:08:45
#62.

I have answered this many times before. If I decide to buy a house it will be as a home - not an investment. I will look into the details to determine when is a good time to buy and I will put down a very large chunk of a deposit (At least 25%). I will factor in what may occur in the years coming up (Job prospects, economy, interest rates etc...) and if it all looks ok I will buy and plan to pay it all off as soon as possible.

Only once I own the place outright would I be even remotely interested in what it is 'worth'. And even then it does not mean much if you want to continue livign in it and treatingit as a home rather than an investment.

If everyone in this country had the same idea we would not be in this mess in the first place.

I do not have a problem with some people wanting to make money out of property or becoming landlords. That is fair enough.

However I do have a problem when half this nation thinks overnight they have become 'property investors'.

That was always going to end in only one way - tears.
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techpunk,

04/07/2008 13:30:49
this is air traffic control........come in, you have permission to land.

;)
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agent,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 13:41:21
There have been some accurate comments and some very mis-informed ones. I am an agent, and the picture that I see on a daily basis is that there is a two-tier market in Edinburgh. One one hand there remains a good market for properties over £500K. These buyers are not affected by the credit crunch and want to live in the more desirable areas. At the lower end of the market ( and particularly new build)the market has gone. It always comes down to supply and demand.
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ccc,

04/07/2008 14:35:01
#66. Cheers for an honest viewpoint. When you say "It always comes down to supply and demand" I take it you understand this has little to do with demand and supply of houses ? It is mostly down to the demand and supply of money - namely credit.

The lenders have finally realised that they have been giving too much out to people who cant actually afford it. They are now demanding large deposits if you want a reasonable rate. In a report yesterday it appears most think they are going to get evenmore tighter in the coming months. They know prices are going down and are properting themselves as much as they can.

Whilst I am sure the top of the market is doing better just now it will come down with the rest. Whatever happens at the bottom always feeds up to the top. That is the nature of these things. Those sitting in their half million houses thinking they won't be affected are sorely mistaken.
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D Williams,

04/07/2008 15:23:50
Balerno - house prices down by 31% - always knew that place was a shanty town......They'll all have to start selling their gas-guzzling 4x4's and make their kids walk to school. There will be a surge of applications forthcoming from the "Balerno Stay at Home Mothers Association" for cleaning jobs in the City Centre......wasters
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ccc,

04/07/2008 16:16:34
Emmm. Another glaring error unless I am mistaken.

"while house values across the city have risen just 1.6 per cent"

"the average price of property across the Capital in the three months is still 1.6 per cent ahead of the same period last year at £227,985"

Link to report from last year:

http://www.espc.com/UniversalPages/2007-Q2.html

Average sale price then was £227,912

Can someone please explain how an increase of £73 constitutes a 1.6% change...........
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Waspy100,

04/07/2008 23:03:05
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It makes sense if you are an EEN journalist
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Waspy100,

04/07/2008 23:16:27
Never mind with no houses to build there may not be a shortage of skilled men to build the Olympics in London.
Now that will be a big disappointment for all the Polish and eastern Europeans.
Trouble is the British will have to take a big cut in wages.
It happend before in the early ,90s and its happening again.
Contruction (housing) industry is always the first casualty in a recession.

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Mallory,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 13:13:14
ccc fewer not less
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