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Credit crunch hits city house prices



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Published Date: 08 April 2008
THE biggest sign of a housing market slump hitting Edinburgh emerged today as new figures showed prices rising at their lowest rate for 15 years.
The price of the average home has increased at less than half the rate of inflation – or just 1.2 per cent – over the last three months, while some areas of the Capital have seen up to £15,000 wiped off the value of two-bedroom flats.

The worldw
ide credit crunch has been blamed for the figures, with first-time buyers finding it increasingly difficult to secure mortgages.

But despite the bleak report, experts today insisted that there was no fear of a long-term housing crash hitting the Capital.

Today's figures from the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre (ESPC) show the number of homes sold in the city also dropped by nearly seven per cent to 1606 – or just over 17 homes a day – compared to 21 a day for the same period only two years ago.

Overall, it is the slowest rate of price inflation recorded in the Capital since the closing stages of the last UK recession in 1993.

David Marshall, the ESPC's business analyst, said: "The situation in the early 1990s was a full recession and people were losing their jobs. That is not the case at present, despite people losing credit.

"The risks to housing are far less than they were in the 1990s.

"People should not expect that this will only last six months or so then return to growth of ten per cent and above, but we do expect growth to be around two, three or four per cent for the year."

The figures show that in the last quarter, two-bedroom flats in Marchmont and Bruntsfield have plummeted in value by more than five per cent to £260,078 – the first price drop in a sample area since 2005.

Mr Marshall said areas with a large number of flats that have risen substantially in price in recent years are most likely to suffer as lenders move to reduce the amount of credit available to buyers. Instead, buyers are increasingly moving towards areas seen as more affordable, such as Gorgie and Dalry, where the price of one-bedroom flats increased by nine per cent to £127,213.

In the city centre, the average price pushed ahead by 3.3 per cent to £249,665, while the average home across the ESPC area in the first quarter was £210,123.

Higher sales volumes have been seen in the family homes market, where there continues to be a shortage of supply, keeping price inflation in the suburbs at between nine and 14 per cent. Yet even those figures are expected to fall to around three per cent for the full year.

The new-build market has also suffered as a result of the credit crunch, with a perceived over- supply of flats in areas like the Waterfront.

Sarah Robson, a spokeswoman for the Council of Mortgage Lenders, whose members include banks and building societies, said the amount lenders were prepared to offer had dropped to its lowest level since 2004.

She said: "It shows the lending criteria is being tightened. Without a substantial deposit it will be difficult for first-time buyers." Today's figures come a day after it emerged the cost of renting in Edinburgh had soared 20 per cent.

Councillor Paul Edie, the city's housing leader, said: "The bottom line is we do not have enough socially rented accommodation for people to tap into.

"The housing market will go up and down but if people cannot afford to buy they will have to rent. First-time owners may not want to sell either, and if they hold off selling there will be fewer properties coming on to the market, and they could even get negative equity."





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  • Last Updated: 08 April 2008 1:46 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 12:15:14
So lets get this straight - we had a lead article yesterday encouraging us to jump into the buy to let sector because we could all get 20% rent increases.. booming property sector etc etc - usual bad journos taking anything they read on a press release as gospel.

And then we have this today!

So, sales are down, price growth has slowed down to a near stop and there is even over-capacity in areas with 2 bed properties (ie BTL rubbish new builds) causing price drops!!

This is priceless..... which are we to believe EEN? Or should we just take note of what we read in respectable papers and not the PR created guff you reproduce?
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Sarcasm,

08/04/2008 12:17:05
The price of the average home has increased at less than half the rate of inflation – or just 1.2 per cent – over the last three months.

Here's me thinking we had an annual rate of inflation.
A 1.2% rise for the last three months is OK.

Or is it just very poorly written.
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11+failed,

08/04/2008 12:29:54
"We currently have 7,801 properties for sale or to let."
Says it all up another 300+ since last week and double the number December/January.
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UPR,

here 08/04/2008 12:32:14
If it's as bad as 1993 already how bad is it going to get when the recession really hits home?

"The risks to housing are far less than they were in the 1990s." Don't think so!
5

Some guy,

08/04/2008 12:33:45
#1 believe both articles.

If you read this article it says prices are dropping in very few areas the rest are still rising slightly so still out of reach of most people.
There are still as many people as before looking for the flats and houses but with the current "credit crisis" (How it can be called a crisis when houses are worth 250k and still rising slowly is beyond me) banks are being VERY picky about who they give mortgages to. As these people cant get a mortgage now they are forced into renting, hence as the articles say, an increase in rentals while buying prices have stopped rising and are even falling slightly.
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drew 33,

08/04/2008 12:49:16
"The worldwide credit crunch has been blamed for the figures, with first-time buyers finding it increasingly difficult to secure mortgages."
All sales in the past 3 months were financed by mortgages approved before the credit crunch. Mortgages have become steadily more difficult(and expensive) to obtain, particularly in the past fortnight, and the difficulties are increasing.
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Brian Ferrari,

08/04/2008 12:54:08
#6 Good point.

The figures in 3 months time will be dire, especially for 1 bed flats.
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portboy,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 12:55:25
forgot the news the ups and downs. buying and selling a house is just one big game of poker! nobody has a clue.
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council never win,

Bruntsfield microclimate 08/04/2008 12:57:13
Interestingly and unusually either the EN or ESPC seem to have made put a pessimistic slant on these stats. Is it just EN jumping on the credit crunch bandwagon?

According to ESPC website the average Marchmont/ Bruntsfield 2 bedroom flat cost £252,860 in Q4 of 2007 which is an increase of around 2.8%.

I think the percentage qouted actually compares to the price for the same quarter last year. However, it should be noted the figures for Q1 2007 (both compared to previous Q and year on year) were unusually high - both over 20% - so this could just be a bit of readjustment for that because that was quite an extreme rise.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 13:07:25
"experts today insisted that there was no fear of a long-term housing crash hitting the Capital."

These would be the same experts who've been telling us for the past ten years that there is no credit bubble.

How long can they get it wrong and still stay "experts"?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 13:14:10
David Marshall, the ESPC's business analyst, said: "The situation in the early 1990s was a full recession and people were losing their jobs. That is not the case at present, despite people losing credit.

"The risks to housing are far less than they were in the 1990s.

In Japan from the bursting of their credit bubble to present, unemployment never got much above 5% and interest rates were at zero for most of the period. House prices fell 90%

David Marshall needs to do some analysis. Credit bubbles are far more savage than normal market cycles and typical falls for the primary asset in a credit bubble are 50% through 90%

The 1929 Wall Street Bubble; the South Seas Bubble; The Mississippi Bubble, the Florida Housing Bubble; The Tulip Bulbs Bubble; the Canal Stocks Bubble; the Railroads Bubble. There's plenty of precedents and the conclusion is pretty inescapable.

I can't decide whether the "experts" won't do their homework or if they'd like to sucker in a few more people just to keep the whole dumb bubble going for a little longer.
12

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 13:20:41
This bloody rag is a disgrace. It cannot decide from one day to the next what to report on
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 13:21:22
#2: house price changes are usually quoted at annualised rates. Admittedly not always though, so articles which don't specify their stats can be confusing.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

08/04/2008 13:33:47
UPR ass: "If it's as bad as 1993 already how bad is it going to get when the recession really hits home?"

As the "experts" well know, volumes drop first and then prices drop later. It's what markets call "divergence" and it marks a market top.

If this is a typical credit bubble then by the end of it, and that's likely years down the line, credit will neither be offered not sought and such of the primary assets (domestic housing) that are still traded will trade for cash. It's not too hard to work out how that would affect pricing.

It's what Prof Kindleberger (who also spotted this as a credit bubble years ago) called "credit revulsion". Basically folks have beeen burned so badly by borrowing that they swear off it for the rest of their lives and teach their kids the same. This prevents a credit bubble until after the third generation reach adulthood and is why the last one was the 1930's.

Meanwhile the lenders are hit so badly by losses that they have no capital to lend, or won't put further capital at risk. In the current bubble that's mostly the investors in mortgage-backs and CDOs. They've both quit lending and are undergoing a massive delevaraging which will see trillions in credit vanish into a puff of smoke. That's what's starving the banks of credit and what wiped out Northern Rock.

Brokers and estate agents now have to face the fact that it's the markets in the credit bubble that were abnormal and we're now returning to normal. Inly in this credit cycle (1938 to present) has it been possible for a huge proportion of the whole population to get credit at the drop of a hat. The securitisation markets made that possible and they made a huge mistake. It won't be repeated in the next cycle and we'll most likely be back to rationing of depositors money at banks.

Here's a tip to the "experts" from an amateur (credit bubbles are my hobby): there will be massive layoffs amongst estate agents and pretty much everyone concerned with housing. Look to
15

Logie Almond,

08/04/2008 13:36:57
Why on earth is it "bleak" if house prices are not going up so quickly?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 13:44:53
I read of an interesting new wrinkle to the credit bust in the US last night.

It seems the investors (in mortgage-backs and CDOs) are trying to get their money back by suing the brokers and mortgage companies for lack of due diligence (many CDOs have clauses requiring that mortgage sellers do sufficient due diligence to ensure that the mortgage will be paid). The reason they're using is that the brokers didn't check that borrowers correctly stated their income on mortgage application forms (they didn't and that's from the tax folks who make such checks available against tax statements online). They may well succeed in Court and meanwhile those borrowers who are proven in Court to have lied, may face jail for fraud.

I'd say it couldn't happen here, but it's likely that some people have lied. It's likely that some brokers have turned a blind eye. It's also very likely that investors will sue to return the dodgy loan to the mortgage brokers here too.

That means many jailed borrowers and a whole bunch of mortgage brokers going bankrupt. There have got to be a few crooks who won't soon be sleeping easy...
17

R Corbett,

Robert Corbett (Edinburgh) 08/04/2008 13:59:10

If house prices continue to fall like this for the next few years, I might one day be able to buy a house.
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ccc,

08/04/2008 14:08:26
#9 It is very obvious why they are now atarting to put a slightly 'negative' slant on the stats.

Their figures are based on year to year comparisons. This quarter compared to the same quarter in 2007 has ONLY JUST managed to avoid a YOY fall. The stats out in August will have to be compared to the HIGHEST AVERAGE SALE PRICE EVER - RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE PEAK.

Since Q2 2007:

228k
222k
215k
This quarter till Mar 08 ? (circa 210k)

They are preparing the people for the inevitable come August. Year on year house price falls in Edinburgh for the first time... Ever ?

That will be some shock. And that shock could easily turn to panic when people (especially 'investors') realise the mantra of 'Prices will never drop in Edinburgh' has been well and truly destroyed.

August is the time for REAL carnage. I just hope this doesn't all take place too quick. I still need a few years to save !!
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Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 15:49:13
#1
During the crash of 1993, private landlords in England had viewing lists three pages long, and that was just for a flat above a workshop in a small market town. One of my classmates accepted a job in the Home counties, and visited a property where the landlord proceeded to auction off rooms based upon the amount of weekly rent that tenants were willing to pay.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 08/04/2008 17:08:57
The houses in Edinburgh will always be high .It`s just a slowdown and the first time buyers should be grateful.Save up like we all used to do and you`ll find that the millstone round your kneck won`t be so much.The way things were going it was plain crazy.The greedy banks were to blame.
28

Sassenach Observer,

don't say you weren't warned. 08/04/2008 18:02:25
I'm wondering when the ESPC will collapse completely. They made a rather large loss last year (which might of course have simply been a tax dodge) and that was a good year. It would really upset me to see lawyers and estate agents on the dole queue. Okay then, it wouldn't!
29

D McLeod,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 18:14:20
Agree with previous comment. Property market in Edinburgh is kept buoyant due to the continuimg cartel of Edinburgh property solicitors. Check ESPC - most properties currently 'for sale' have been developed. Many done by solicitor firms who buy in winter months, develop then sell to Joe-public during spring / autumn. Annual 10%+ rise guartanteed unless this kind of activity is curbed. Edinburgh will remain unaffected by UK housing downturn or at least the solicitor property firms will be!
30

GRC1959,

08/04/2008 18:28:23
"Today's figures from the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre (ESPC) show the number of homes sold in the city also dropped by nearly seven per cent to 1606"

Is that the number sold by the ESPC member firms, or a total for the city including every other selling agent? Rettie, DTZ, Savills, RE/MAX are some non-ESPC players who come to mind.

If it's just for the ESPC, then it really doesn't mean too much, since other agents may have sold more in comparison to two years ago. Without knowing their figures....
31

Brian Ferrari,

08/04/2008 18:39:43
#34 Yes - the espc try not to make profits - they channel as much money back into investment as they can (see their annual report)

#35 - rubbish

#36 Yes - just those sold by espc member firms form part of the survey. But if the espc are correct and that represents over 90% of the second hand market, then it's going to be a fairly good reflection of the market.

Bottom line is we've had the boom. If the mortgages aren't there any more, bust will follow no matter how much the base rate drops. No doubt Labour will try to eek things out till the election but with this being a world credit crisis they haven't got a hope.
32

Brian M,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 18:59:47
But prices are still rising, even at a 'low' rate, so surely that's good.

Even if prices fall it will mean very little to those in long-term home ownership, as opposed to 'property developers'
33

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 19:21:19
#37: If Labour start interfering to delay things or try to save borrowers or lenders, this will take very much longer and cost a great deal more (according to a recent World Bank study on what to do in systemic crashes). At worst it could take 19 years (the length of time Japanese house prices have been falling) and cost up to sixty percent of GDP (World Bank).

#38. The way the indices are calculated, prettty much all of them will be showing year-on-year falls by July.

Yes, those in long-term ownership will be OK so long as they don't lose their jobs, don't get divorced and don't have to remortgage at any point.

Property developers are probably already on the phone to the lawyers trying to renege on contracts.

Going by prior credit bubbles, I have an idea what comes next, though sadly, not precise timing:

Once trading volumes steady out at a lower level, prices will start falling more heavily. That in turn will hit mortgage-backs and CDOs based on Brit mortgages and will cause more losses to investors. In turn that will turn the screw on lending further and mortgages will become more rare and more expensive. Possibly more lenders will do a Northern Rock. It remains to be seen whether the government will be stupid enough to do yet more bailouts.

Builders will be hit and will start selling land; selling finished properties very cheaply; and laying off staff. They'll do anything to get cash and survive.
Neeedless to say, falling land prices will hit house prices further.

Next retailers will be hit as people conserve cash and try to rebuild savings to get themselves through this. They'll lay off staff - far too much retail space was built during the bubble and much of it will be liquidated.

These layoffs will lead to immigrants, who are here to make cash, leaving. This will hit BtL landlords and again, flat prices.

The government and local councils will take in less tax. That will lead to layoffs too. The layoffs will lead to more mortgage de
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 08/04/2008 19:23:47
Woops, got cut off...

lead to more mortgage defaults and excess housing supply, driving prices down further. Lather, rinse, repeat.

A final phase will see CDOs in credit card receivables, car loans etc going south. That will mark the final rout for investors and banks. By that point nobody will bee offering credit and everyone will be so sickened that they won't want it.

Housing will trade for cash at the end. The deposit will have become the price.

Afterwards, be it 4 years or 20, there will be steady non-inflationary growth for many years. House prices will rise about a half percent per year (their centuries old long term trendline) in real terms. Eventually the 3rd generation will go mad on credit buying something. It wwon't be housing.
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ccc,

08/04/2008 20:04:22
# 38 You don't get it !!!

Last 4 quarters:

228
222
215
210(Still TBC)

How exactly is that rising.....

And why would you class house prices continuing to rise as a good thing ? Very few people REALLY benefit from it. No offense but you are a great example of the brainwashing that has gone on in this country. I was just like yourself until I started to actually look into this myself and not just believe everything I was told.
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GRC1959,

08/04/2008 20:50:13
Brian sez; "Yes - just those sold by espc member firms form part of the survey. But if the espc are correct and that represents over 90% of the second hand market ...."

Recent press in Scotsman and Eve News suggests ESPC currently have 233 members. Not-so-recent press suggested there were 265 in last quarter of 2007. I've seen archived Scotsman & related articles that suggested there were 245 in late 2006.

We're comparing ESPC sales first quarter 2008 with same quarter 2006 here; can anyone tell me how many ESPC firms there were in early 2006? If there were more than there are now, is the drop in sales merely accounted for by a drop in their member numbers?
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dav from blackford edinburgh,

edinburgh 08/04/2008 21:45:41
i would like to start by saying the proof is on the net....
just take a look at the property snake web site it is
very clear that the property market in edinburgh is on
a downward sloap.
i would not advise anyone to buy for the next 12-18 months, i have friends who are estate agents and they have told me just to wait and watch, there are things coming that other agents want to keep behind closed doors, you only have to look at what happened to one of the big estate agents in edinburgh Stewart & Saunders they closed down after 30+ years and i don't think they are the first.
don't fall into the trap of paying over the odds for renting in edinburgh if you don't mind commuting you can save a lot.
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response,

syd 09/04/2008 01:52:35
just wait until the banks start putting up the interest rates then you will see the fur flying och,
then you will have a mortgage more than the hoose is worth, there are people here that have lost thier home's because of the high interest rate's,and greedy estate agent's push the bar as well.
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googler,

23/11/2008 18:36:33
Why on earth are the administrators removing so many comments from this thread? We're only talking about house prices here, not threats to the nation, or treason......

 

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