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Credit crunch comes home to roost as house prices fall £20k



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
MORE than £20,000 has been wiped off the average value of an Edinburgh home in the space of a year, new figures showed today.
The Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre said prices had plunged 11 per cent in October compared to the same month last year. It is the third month in a row they have fallen, with the average city price dipping below £200,000 to £192,225 last month.

Meanwhile, analysts say homes are now taking around a month longer to sell, with the average property on the market for 100 days. Three-quarters of sellers are now accepting less than the asking price for fixed price properties.

Neil Harrison, marketing and planning manager at the ESPC, said he expected the fall in prices would continue well into the new year.

He said: "It's very much a buyers' market at the moment. There's certainly an excess of supply over demand. The natural consequence is prices will come down further.

"If you're downsizing, then the market is not working in your favour. But if you're moving up the ladder, then the property you're moving into will cost less.

"Our prediction is the market will be fairly subdued for most of 2009. But there are always unknowns, such as the interest rates and the city financial sector.

"We are not expecting any returns to price increases next year. In the course of next year, we expect the rate of decrease to slow down."

The ESPC figures show that only 24.5 per cent of properties being sold at a fixed price achieved the asking price.

Most buyers were taking advantage of the market to negotiate a better deal. The average premium paid on properties marked "offers over" was 13.8 per cent, down from more than 26.7 per cent last year.

The number of houses sold was less than half as many as in October 2007. Fewer than 400 sales were completed, compared to more than 900 the year before.

Scott Brown, a partner with Warners – a member of the Edinburgh and Lothians Property Group – said all types of property had fallen in value, although one-bedroom flats were affected less than larger properties.

He said: "First-time buyer properties are performing a bit better, as buyers do not need to sell their own property first. They're also becoming attractive for buy-to-lets, as rents are going up."

He said Warners sold 66 homes in the past six weeks, compared to 115 in the same period last year.

But he said: "There is a perception that nothing is selling at the moment, but that's not the case. If you are realistic about the asking price, then houses are still selling."


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  • Last Updated: 18 November 2008 10:20 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

allknowing,

18/11/2008 12:01:32
"It's very much a buyers' market at the moment. "

yeah, if you have a large deposit and can get a mortgage. No change then from 6 months ago.
2

FC Barcelona,

18/11/2008 12:17:59
great news, this means i'll be increasing my btl portfolio vastly
3

ccc,

18/11/2008 12:27:33
#2

You are a laugh I have to admit. House prices are falling - and those with BTL's are cheering this as good news !!

You couldn't make this up. Your rentals are also falling. The value of your assets are falling. But I imagine you will tell us you are in it for the 'long term'.

I just hope that you realise this 'long term' is likely to be 5-10 years. At least.

Good luck with your shocking investment. You will need it.
4

Decent,

18/11/2008 12:31:56
Don't worry ccc he is obviously having a laugh if he's hoping to let anything in the near future.
5

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 12:39:11
How can a crunch "come home to roost"? Please explain.
6

ccc,

18/11/2008 12:45:46
#4.

We should let them be. Probably completely bricking themself....

Also this wee article should be of interest for FC Barcelona..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7734975.stm

"Buy to Let Market is now closed"

Well according to the head of Bradford & Bingley it is - more or less.

I imagine there are still a couple of deals you can get, with a massive deposit.

In my opinion anyone putting down a huge deposit to buy an asset whose price is collapsing - at the same time as their returns on it are falling.....

Well I would think they must be insane.

7

Scotish Exile,

18/11/2008 12:49:20
and here's me thinking that the Edinburgh housing market was recession proof, after all that is what this rag has been telling us
8

Adso,

18/11/2008 12:59:06
#3 Rents are rising not falling and letting is easy at the moment as no-one is buying. BTL mortgages are still available with 25% deposit from most lenders.

You think the market will fall forever? Not likely. Long term investment in property = 15 - 20 years. If I don't get a good payback by that time I will be astonished and bow to your superior knowledge of the housing market.
9

Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:16:28
#9 Not forgetting the First Minister of course!
10

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 13:19:13
How can a crunch "come home to roost"? Please explain. And don't make me ask again, or I will turn into a human grout dispenser.
11

Geed,

18/11/2008 13:40:19
Those that have done their research will have seen this coming for years. There is no argument, property is plummeting in value and will continue to do so for the next 2 years minimum and don't expect a swift recovery after the falls either. Speculation has been rife in the the property market which has sent values way out of whack with normal economic fundamentals, a classic market bubble. Bubbles burst. This bubble was fed by cheap credit, herd mentality and blatent property ramping from the likes of Johnston Press and Location X3. Now that LLL and the EEN appear to be offering a little less biased opinions, it is these programs that the vast majority of the public rely on to form their opinions. So this will get worse/better (depending on your vested interests!).

My advice; If you are looking to buy a property now, DON'T! even investing in stocks and shares at the moment presents less risk of financial ruin. If you are a BTLer thinking of buying, FILL YOUR BOOTS! You are portraying yourselves as the true amateur investor you really are. If you are selling, REDUCE YOU PRICE! Take the first offer that comes your way and be thankful that you are not the last mug out there.
12

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:42:57
Ha ha ha ha - CCC is still going on about this! Look at it this way CCC if things get worse then:

1. yup people with property will suffer and that includes everyone; however
2. if property becomes a risky investment it will mean less home loans etc thus creating two types of people a those who own property and b those who will never own property (I know what category I would rather be in).

Now all we need is the usual rubbish from Poo the so-called economist!
13

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 13:50:05
Are rents defying the trend in the rest of the country, or is Edinburgh lagging behind as it did in the fall in prices?

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/property-home/2008/11/17/rents-fall-as-houses-fail-to-sell.aspx
14

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:56:31
Poo - I could set my watch by you!

Why do you not take a wee look at how commercial rents are performing!
15

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 13:56:44
Happy to oblige number 15:

1. Yes, that includes everyone. Well, everyone who owns a house anyway.

2. Yes, there will absolutely be fewer and fewer home loans as the credit markets run into more and more trouble and as the governments run out of money for more bailouts. Houses will then have to move to largely trading for cash, at whatever price level the available cash can support.
16

ccc,

18/11/2008 13:57:23
FOFP

Rental story this morning in the Scotsman:

http://business.scotsman.com/business/Rents-to-fall-as-unsold.4702804.jp#3449390

When it comes to rents I don't think Edinburgh is lagging Scotland by that much. Been keeping track of supply for months now and supply is up about 50% over the last 6 months (This is for my search of 2 bed flats)

Average ASKING prices look to be coming down as well. Of course this will take a while to feed into the figures same as everything else.

Have a quick search at citylets or lettingweb. Notice how many of these flats are 'AVAILABLE NOW'.

Massive oversupply in my opinion.

Edinburgh:
House prices falling.
Rents falling.

Whoever could have predicted that.....
17

ccc,

18/11/2008 14:02:02
#17

How about this article from today:

http://business.scotsman.com/business/Dunedin-cuts-rents--at.4702547.jp

"Dunedin cuts rents at South Gyle by 19%"

You just don't get it Landlord do you ? EVERYTHING, and I repeat EVERYTHING that is associated with property in any way whatsover in the next 3-5 years is toast.

What will it take you to understand this simple fact...
18

ccc,

18/11/2008 14:04:25
#8 Asdo.

When did I say the market will fall forever ? Of course it won't. However if you bought a property in the last few years you could be waiting 10+ years to see ANY return.....

Shocking investment. You would be better heading down Willie Hills with your cash. Seriously.
19

Liz,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:07:03
How long do you think it will take for the media to compare anyone silly enough to be still buying into BTL now with those who were piling into the dot-com bubble back in 2001?

The writing is on the wall for property as a sure fireway investment and like all bubbles it is bursting. What entertains me is that so many people just do not have the brains to realise what is going on and how the whole thing is just one big pyramid scam.
20

Paul Voltaire is a f@nny,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:23:26
#14- RBS shares are priced to go to about 18p once all the government share issues are out of the way- certainly a buy at 25p, but not 35.

And that is for the long term......!
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 15:31:13
#17: why not post a link to an article so that I can do just that.

CCC: well done. Keep up the good work!
22

Silence of the Yams,

18/11/2008 16:09:51
Falkirk down 20% in a year!??! I don't beleive that for a second. Very few people are selling so whatever that figure came from must be minimal.
23

Brian Ferrari,

18/11/2008 16:13:32
18 Fernando

You were right first time - EVERYONE will be hit. HM printing presses will be working flat out printing £50 notes to make sure there is no shortage of money and the buying power will decline relative to more prudent countries.

Stick your money into Canadian Dollars.

And Mario - Johnston Press now 8p
24

fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:13:44
The other way of looking at this is, regardless of any return on investment, you have to pay for a roof over your head anyway. So it is irrelevant really if house prices go up or down. If your house doubles in value over a 5 year period and you want to move, then the house you intend to buy will also have doubled over the same period, this also applies if prices drop. For most people, i.e those with only 1 property, as long as you can cover the mortgage, then there is no problem. I personally, would rather pay a mortgage for 25 years and own my property outright at the end of it than pay rent for 50 years and be left with nothing to pass on to my children when I die.
25

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:16:40
#25

Maybe the only people who are able to sell are those taking 20% of the price............

For the next 3+ years deposits required are going to be sitting around 25%+ as standard. How many people do you know have access to tens of thousands of pounds ? Not many. Hence the only houses that will sell will be those that are actually affordable to the people buying them.

How many houses sold in 2007 were sold to people who could REALLY afford them ? Not many I imagine.

The worm has turned. We are going back to 3 times salary and 15% deposit as standard. We never should have deviated from these tried and tested rules of thumb.

So a house will be a decent price when it is about 3 times the average local wage minus a deposit of at least 10%.

For a one bed flat in Falkirk I imagine that is about 50k ? In Edinburgh probably about 60-70k.

Of course this bust is likely to undershoot and as FOFP points out this is not a normal bubble bursting. Prices could fall 70-80% from peak.

We will have to wait and see. 40% plus is guaranteed in my opinion. Across the board.

26

antifa,

18/11/2008 16:20:32
"First-time buyer properties are performing a bit better, as buyers do not need to sell their own property first. They're also becoming attractive for buy-to-lets, as rents are going up."

Can this possibly be true? Surely, these properties are especially hard hit as no-one can get a mortgage without a massive deposit. BTL is a stupid investment just now and banks know this and are factoring this into their margins.

CCC - the truth is, houses have always been a bad investment relative to the stock market (long run returns of 5-10% versus 15%). However, they have one major advantage - you can live in them, which you can't do with shares in Glaxo.

As for house-prices in the short-to-medium-term, I'll be interested to see what impact the cuts in interest rates will have. LIBOR is falling in line with the BoE rate. As this heads for 1%, IRs on mortgages are going to become quite appealing for those with capital.

27

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18/11/2008 16:22:21
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18/11/2008 16:23:02
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Brian Ferrari,

18/11/2008 16:23:50
ccc

3x salary was the norm when interest rates were around 10%.

How can that remain a sensible limit interest rates are around 5%?

If interest rates were 25%, would 3x income still be sensible?
30

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:23:57
#26

Not sure about C Dollars. They have a massive reliance on commodities. Better placed than us for sure - however not the great economy many would have you think. Some big housing bubbles exist over there too.

#27.

I totally agree with most of what you say. A house is for living in so who cares how much it is worth. However if you are thinking about how much you will leave to your kids there is more than just one option.

Renting is generally cheaper than buying. If you rent for 50 years, save/invest the difference, and watch the compound interest build up - you may well leave your kids with a lot more than if you left them a house. Remember when you are paying a mortgage you are being penalised by compound interest. When you are saving you are benefitting from it.

Makes a MASSIVE difference over a period like 25 years.
31

antifa,

18/11/2008 16:27:57
33 - all true but don't forget inflation, old chum.
32

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:31:03
#32.

You are comparing interest rates between property prices that are massively different.

Yes people were paying 10% interest on properties in the 90's. However these properties may have cost them 30k.

Now people are paying 5% on properties. However these properties may have cost them 300k.

The old 'low interest' argument loses value when you realise the difference in the capital costs involved !!

The reason that 3 times salary has been the standard is because it works whether interest rates are high, or they are low. The economy is good, or it is bad. It is the proven average level that a person can reasonably take on as debt over a period of 25 years. As a rule it never was broken. The only reason the banks tried to fix it was greed.

#29.

Just how many out there have the capital available to want to dive into an asset market that is collapsing ?
I do agree there will be some. However they are likely to be severely burnt. Look at any records of historical bubbles bursting. Always the same stories appear. The people diving in and getting 'bargains'. Only problem being these bargains don't look so great a year later when they fall a further 20% in value.

Same thing has already happened in US property. Same thing is happening every day with bank or building shares.

Beware trying to catch the falling knife.
33

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:32:32
#34 - Inflation is the great unknown !!

Deflation is the order of the day but that will change. Only question is when. Tricky to call !!

Anyway lets all get back to living in houses and not worrying about profit. :)
34

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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 16:48:54
#22 Liz "it's all one big pyramid scam".

Exactly, and as with every pyramid, the most marginal credits were the only folks to invite in at the end of the bubble - the subprime mortgagees.

Now that they can't cover their debts, the whole pyramid of debt has to be delevaged and prices which depended on credit to bid them up must inevitably fall.
36

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 16:50:06
#25: Folks who don't sell don't make prices in markets, just like those who don't buy. It's the marginal buyer and seller who set the price for the market.
37

hadden is a cack,

18/11/2008 16:50:52
ccc
lol ohhhh your so clever you are now a master of the Canadian economy as well as world property

for someone with no property investments you are becoming obsessive get away from that computer matey.no one listens to your rambles except your little band of doom mongers who have no lives and just agree with each other






38

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:53:57
#37

I said renting is usually cheaper than buying. When did you buy your place ? If it is cheaper than paying rent then it certainly wasn't in the last 5 years !!

Either that or you are paying interest only. Which is usually pointless as you are simply renting from the bank. For some renting is cheaper, for others not. Depends on the time and circumstances.
39

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 16:54:18
#29 antifa: LIBOR will head for the roof again the very minute the next shoe falls in the credit crisis.
40

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:56:55
#40.

I am no master of economics. I simply have a semi-decent grasp of the subject. That is all it takes to reach reasoned conclusions on certain subjects. When it comes to property it is probably one of the easiest things to predict of the last 50 years. It will crash big style. Even Location X3 aren't arguing the point anymore !!

When even the woefully economically uneducated Kirsty Allsopp is saying prices may fall 50% you had better listen ! She is not exactly known for 'talking the market down'.....
41

hadden is a cack,

18/11/2008 16:57:13
ferk poo as an old man you comment as an authority on property and yet you've never invested all those years of easy money missed out you could of sold out two years ago and made a fortune out of all those savings (alleged) in your bank
its a shame people like ccc are taken in by an old poor fool
sad really
what a tw@t
42

ccc,

18/11/2008 16:58:15
#42.

Anyway I reckon deposits and LTV are more important than Libor or the BoE rate these days.

You need about 25% just to get a reasonable deal.
43

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 17:01:03
#32: Mr Ferrari: Yes, disinflation drives down interest rates and drives up property prices as multiples are relaxed. This effectively makes property prices act like bonds - they vary inversely with rates.
You'll note that every credit bubble in history reached its blowoff phase during disinflation.

However, at the end of the disinflation lies deflation, the serial murderer of asset prices. It will cause prices to fall at a rate which will make the last three ordinary housing cycles look like a picnic. Credit bubbles are, I'm afraid, considerably more savage once they burst.

After we're through the bust, we'll have slow growth and slowly rising interest rates. That's not the sort of situation which will support a new bubble in prices. the peak of the next credit cycle is around 2040 and the new disinflation, and new bubble, will be established about then. The blowoff peak will most likely occur in the 2070's.

Not that this is relevant to housing. The Magic Token to make you rich usually changes between credit cycles.
44

hadden is a cack,

18/11/2008 17:04:00
ferk poo
if your so clever why are you a poor old man then

that didnt take advantage of the good times

45

antifa,

18/11/2008 17:06:37
36 - inflation is an unknown variable, but it certainly kicks the hell out of your mortgage. Mine is 5% cheaper in real terms than it was a year ago. Rents are coming down too, but in the long-term, they'll inch up in real terms (as the city's population expands) while the real value of a mortgage is eroded.

My parents' were until recently paying a mortgage of about £180 a month. That probably seemed quite a lot in 1970 - it didn't seem a lot in 2006. Try renting for that price.

I'm not convinced about deflation - it's the kind of scaremongering I'd be interested in if I was the CBI or the TUC, but come on. Interest rates are heading towards 1%, the pound is falling, the price of imports is rising, and very few suppliers of food, energy, transport face sufficient competition to even think about passing on their lower costs to consumers.



46

ccc,

18/11/2008 17:11:52
#44

Can't talk for FOFP but as for myself I have not been remotely interested in investing or buying a house until about 2 years ago. I have spent my youth travelling the World enjoying myself. Came back and started working. Decided I may want to look into buying a place as everyone else was doing it and 'making' money. You know what I did differently to the masses though ? I decided to actually REALLY investigate the subject.

I thought if I was going to sign up for a massive debt that would last for decades I wanted to be well learned on the subject. Didn't take long to work out property in the UK was a disaster waiting to happen.

So instead of doing what everyone was telling me I came up with a contrarian plan. Save up as much as I could and hope to buy in cash at the bottom.

I won't 'make' any money this way. However the cost of owning my own home will be about 2-300k less than if I followed the herd. Not a bad saving eh.. :)

I am about a third of the way there so far. Not bad. Keeping a good income will be the difficult thing. Apart from that all going to plan.
47

antifa,

18/11/2008 17:13:49
46 - nice theory. However, in my experience, it is those who retain humility when trying to predict events in a complex world who don't end up looking ridiculous.
48

ccc,

18/11/2008 17:19:59
#36

"inflation is an unknown variable, but it certainly kicks the hell out of your mortgage. Mine is 5% cheaper in real terms than it was a year ago. Rents are coming down too"

I don't get this ?

What pays your mortgage ?

(1)inflation
(2)rent from your tenant
(3)your wages

If it is either of the last 2 then your debt is not being eroded anywhere nearly as fast as you think.

Inflation does not pay a mortgage. Wages or rent does.

Wage or rent inflation are the only things that will erode the debt of most mortgage holders. At present both look unlikely in the extreme.

I do agree about the mixed inflation outlook. However deflation is the serious favourite for just now. And as I said even if we get high inflation in the UK again it won't help those with debts unless wage inflation keeps pace. With high unemployment I can't see too many getting great pay rises....
49

rs,

. house prices are getting back to normality 18/11/2008 18:23:41
yip

everyones to blame

banks for lending people to much

people trying to live the dream

paying over the odds for houses.

and then wondering why they are up to there neck in debt !
50

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/11/2008 18:41:10
Here's a good laugh. The B&B guys are sobbing "B-b-b-but they LIED to us, and there was no way we could check."

http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=176677&d=403&h=401&f=402

They could have tried requiring proof of income and employment, payslips, tax receipts, bank statements. That kind of thing.

They could also hire private detectives to nail the 100 most egregious cases now and have them sent to jail, pour encourager les autres.
51

Tommy Tank,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 20:01:28
The Edinburgh property market is collapsing!

At last even the ESPC are admitting Edinburgh is not immune. Edinburgh will be among the worst affected cities, given its reliance on the bankrupt finance sector and the massive over-valuation of residential housing.

If you're selling, don't hang about. Prices will be 20% lower this time next year as individuals who are waiting for the market to recover adjust to the reality that there is more supply than demand and prices continue to fall.

It's game over for Edinburgh housing for at least 5 years.
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Silence of the Yams,

18/11/2008 20:04:00
54. The Libor rate has dropped significantly, some more liquidity in the market and 95% mortgage deals should return.
54

GLasVegas,

18/11/2008 21:34:25
"54. The Libor rate has dropped significantly, some more liquidity in the market and 95% mortgage deals should return."

Bless
55

ccc,

18/11/2008 21:39:24
#55

You bought 4 months ago and your mortgage, capital & interest, costs LESS than renting the same place !!??

Sorry but there is something you are not telling us. Huge deposit is it ? No danger your mortgage is cheaper than a comparable rent.

As for Interest only if what you say was true then yes I would agree. However part of the ridiculous housing bubble has been caused by the selling of interest only mortgages WITHOUT the need for any repayment vehicle !!

Seems insane ? Yes it does to me. However this has been going on for a few years now.I imagine it has now ceased for obvious reasons.

Anyway if you have bought a home to live in good luck to you. I have no problem with people simply doing this.

#56. Banks will only raise the LTV limits when the bottom has been reached. A low LTV is simply their insurance against defaults. I know for a fact that the big banks are basing their lending criteria on predicted falls of about 46% in the residential property market.(They use futures markets) Those 95% deals won't be around for at least 2 years. Probably much longer.
56

rs,

in ma house 18/11/2008 22:39:31
no one is a home owner until they've paid the off the last penny of their mortgage.

Until then , the Banks own your home.



some of the rental prices are unbelievable!
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/11/2008 23:01:47
simple.it.is.far.better.to.own.than.rent
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

19/11/2008 00:09:51
55 Foo: The capital payments from a mortgage go into your own account, and certainly, are ultimately yours to do with what you wish.

The interest however, which is the majority of mortgage payments, goes to the profits of the bank, or whichever bondholder is the owner of the securitised mortgage. Interest payments are simply rent on the money borrowed.
60

Julian.,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 01:40:29
CCC,

You obviously haven't researched the subject as well as you think you have. Rents in Edinburgh are rising, not falling. Ask any landlord how much rent they're getting compared to 2 years ago and I bet you it's more.

As for saving £200 to £300k by holding off buying, what exactly are you planning to buy...a £2m mansion in the Grange?

Or is it maybe a 1 bedroom flat, in which case you would currently save between £10k and zero depending on whether you take the ESPC figures or the Register of Scotland ones.
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ccc,

19/11/2008 09:58:05
Foo.

Will have to take your word on this one. However I have done numerous searches on comparable rental properties vs buying the same place with a 10% mortgage and not even one comes remotely close to being cheaper to buy. I will have to assume you own your own Bank. :)

#63 Julian

I have done a good bit of research on rental properties and yes they have risen SLIGHTLY over the last 2 years. Well under the rate of inflation however. At the moment there is a MASSIVE glut of properties to rent. I have been doing searches on the 2 main letting portals and supply is up circa 50% compared to earlier in the year. In tough times people will move in with friends, families and become lodgers. They won't be forking out a fortune for their own rental property...:)

As far as my savings I plan to make, it is pretty simple - like most people who get a mortgage you clearly decide to forget about the interest you will be paying:

Place I plan to buy.

Value at peak when everyone told me to buy = 180k
Value I expect it to be at within 3 years = 100k
Amount I will spend on rent/digs for the 5 years I am saving rather than buying = ~18k
Amount I will save on maintenance for the 5 years I don't own the property = ~5k
Amount (INCLUDING INTEREST) I would pay on a 25 year mortgage if I bought he place at 180k = ~ 350k
Amount I plan to pay when buying in cash in 2011ish = 100k.

Do the sums. Then realise the HUGE mistake it is buying an asset falling in value - with borrowed money.

For me if all goes to plan I will own the place 20 years earlier than if I got a mortgage. It will also cost me about £230k Less. Only downside is I have to wait an extra 5 years to move into it. I can handle that considering the massive savings I hope to make. :)
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Julian.,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 23:23:49
CCC,

Sorry mate, you're still living in dreamland.

If we believe the ESPC figures as being representative your 180k property could now be bought for 162k.

If we believe the Register of Scotland figures (probably more reliable) it will now still be 180k.

OK, so let's split the difference and and say 170k at today's prices.

For you to be correct, prices on a 180k property would have to fall 45%. Sorry mate, that's just no going to happen.

And my logic is, a 170k repayment mortgage will now cost you £800 a month as opposed to £1200 a month in September. If you can put up a deposit it will be even less.

OK, so some people won't be able to get a mortgage but for those who can, it won't be long before prices become attractive again. The trigger will be the end of fear and a loosening in borrowing criteria.

My advice: Do not wait for your 100k property which will never arrive anyway. Buy in the next 6 months before it's too late.
64

GLasVegas,

20/11/2008 12:42:58
CCC, I think the fall is going to be sharper than most expect your 180k flat should be close to 100k in one not three years. Take a look at whats happening in the US prices in California Down near 50% in a year, you can buy a repo flat in a decent area of New york for £20,000. IMHO America have a far better footing to work their way out of the comming Depression/Recession, so where does that leave us?
65

edinburghiscommon,

20/11/2008 13:56:35
@ 66 (Julian) - "My advice: Do not wait for your 100k property which will never arrive anyway. Buy in the next 6 months before it's too late." -- do you work for an estate agent or a solicitors office? very naive views in my opinion.
66

easy money,

brazil 20/11/2008 22:27:09
mmm, the usual sad bunch of bitter tennents in here again....here's the truth again just in case you've all forgotten:

better liquidity, lower interest rates, pent up demand will all ensure that the market keeps moving in an upward direction....in 2010 FTB's will be competing against each other as they realise that there is not going to be any crash in Edinburgh (never has been, never will be).....cmon, we have lockups that still sell for over £100k...

back in 1991 i took all the risks and invested heavily in flats within good areas of the capital.....at that time people told me my investments were doomed and that the market was on its knees......aye aye and look what happened...

the credit crunch has been great for me and i now make more rent than i ever have done....base tracker rates are also saving me a fortune

the people who want to see prices fall (they wont) in this city to maintain their boring low paid desk jobs and have their ambitionless lives permanently on hold are great for landlords are we applaud you....

my advice....screw your tennents for all you can get and look for opportunities....there are winners and losers in all downturns....the smarts guys turn things to their advantage....

in 2018 a one bed flat in Edinburgh will be £200k

finally, anyone who thought new build was a road to quick riches was a complete fool and derserved to get their fingers badly burned.....the demise of the Gregor Shore bandits has really made my year....scum like this have been ripping people off and deserve to be competing with FTB's for jobs in petrol stations and DIY stores....

property is a long term game for smart individuals which can give you serious kickback....trust me im one of the people who's going to be better off through this recession....happy days

Edinburgh will never give bargains away to the deluded fools like ccc or poo who wants to trade up from the caravans they share with their parents....first off, the've got no cash anywa
67

easy money,

brazil 20/11/2008 22:28:30
y hence the reason they're stuck at Port Seton....

Edinburgh is full of money - always has been always will be:

- we've got the highest proportion of public school pupils in the country (30%) AND....
- Registers of Scotland in November showed that prices in the Capital had gone up by 0.2 per cent compared to the third quarter last year
- Edinburgh again recorded the highest average residential price in Scotland at £226,516, an increase of 2.9 per cent on the last quarter.
- And the average price of a residential property in Scotland increased by 2.9 per cent in the third quarter of 2008 when compared with the second quarter.

Dont belive all the drivel that people tell you in here...

Edinburgh is special...
68

GLasVegas,

21/11/2008 16:03:59
"Edinburgh is full of money - always has been always will be."

Care to explain why Heritors went burst yesterday then?



 

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