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City flat rentals soar as cash for mortgages grows scarce



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Published Date: 16 October 2008
EDINBURGH has seen a huge rise in the number of flats being let, led by "reluctant landlords" who find themselves unable to sell their property.
Citylets, the website which represents most city property agents, has reported a 47 per cent increase in the number of two-bedroom flats compared to the last quarter.

Rent levels for one-bedroom flats have risen by 5.9 per cent compared to July to
September 2007, the report found.

Property experts say that many young professionals and couples are looking to rent rather than buy a home because of the credit crunch. And many owners have been "forced" into renting their homes because they cannot find a buyer.

Thomas Ashdown, Citylets managing director, said: "There's no doubt we are seeing a significant change in the make-up of the property market. The collapse in confidence in the property buying market has seen an enormous swathe of potential home owners divert into rentals.

"In Edinburgh this is most apparent with the astonishing demand for two-bedroom flats, where we have seen lets soar by almost 50 per cent compared to the second quarter of the year.

"This clearly points to a trend that young people and professionals are not buying property because of difficulties securing a mortgage or a lack of confidence.

"The slowdown in the property market has seen a new wave of 'reluctant landlords' – home owners or small-scale property developers who are unable or unwilling to sell in the current markets – look to rent out their homes."

The report is based on 30,000 lettings from 200 property agents across Scotland, including 87 in Edinburgh. The average rent in the city is now £752, compared to £749 three months ago.

The most expensive area to rent a one-bedroom flat is the city centre, where tenants pay an average of £590 a month. The most expensive two-bedroom flats are in EH3, which includes Canonmills, Fountainbridge, Inverleith and Tollcross, with average rents of £839.

Mr Ashdown added: "This really is an astonishing period for the Scottish rental market – we have never seen anything like it.

"But it is important to realise that things can change – if demand peaks and supply continues to climb there will be pressure for rents to flatten, as has happened in countries such as Ireland."

Diarmid MacKenzie Smith, the director of lettings and management at Rettie & Co, said there were signs supply was catching up demand. He said: "Earlier in the summer demand was outstripping supply but we are starting to see a change in that. Our stock level is twice what it was this time last year and rental increases are slowing."





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  • Last Updated: 16 October 2008 10:13 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

allknowing,

16/10/2008 11:56:50
Simple, save up and get a deposit.

I have to laught though. people on thios forum last year were praying that house prices would crash etc in the hope of picking up cheap housing.

Well dumbnuts, you also didnt think ahead as to what this would mean to the market as a whole.

As you see, rents are going up, good for landlords, and mortgage are now only offered to worthy people, not layabouts with no deposits wanting the best now to keep up with their pals.

Enjoy the renting guys. My pockets will be full.
2

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 11:59:57
How very tiresome.
3

Randan,

16/10/2008 12:01:41
For another example of allknowings ignorant, idiotic and selfish rantings try
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/eastlothian/Hefty-bill-for-school-taxi.4592675.jp
4

Jimmy B'Umlove,

East End (Boys) 16/10/2008 12:01:43
Aye, its a richt shame likes. Folks thought they'd git a cheapo hoose, turns oot they cannae even git a mortgage nooadays.

Whit's better? A hoose, which has dropped a bit o value or nae hoose at aw, nae hope a gittin a mortgage and mair rent money doon the drain?
5

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:08:57
#3 what has my opinion on parents taking their own disabled kids to school by thenselves without relying on the state, got to do with this story???
6

ccc,

16/10/2008 12:14:12
#1 What planet are you from ?

"Rents are going up"..

What? Up £3 on average over the last 3 months. Wow. Don't go buying too many Bentleys with that. Also remember the market is flooded right now. When your existing tenants leave you may have trouble replacing them. Ever heard of 'void' periods....

Us people with brains were not 'praying' that prices crashed. We KNEW prices would crash. Big difference.

People like yourself, techpunk and easy money clearly have no clue about the market. Even though I am sure yuo all think you are experts....

You have to laugh.

Good luck with your bankruptcy hearing.

:)
7

Liz,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:15:54
#1
So allknowing you obviously missed the recent reports in this paper and from the ESPC that house prices in Edinburgh have been dropping significantly over the last 12 months. The lack of mortgages is only going to lead to prices falling even more.

No more idiot lending will bring an end to the idiot house prices - though that muppet Brown seems desperate to try to buck the market. RBS and HBOS have both practially gone to the wall because of their idiot lending - the warnings are there for those who chose to open their eyes.



8

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:18:11
#6

Ha ha , you see you are worng on every count

Demand is increasing becuase all the poor people cant get mortgages.

Any good B2L landlord would have taken out an interest only mortgage, therefore insuring that not only is the mortgage always paid, but the rent required will be so much lower compared to other landlords with repayment mortgages to pay. SO in 20yrs, sell the properties, and make a nice wee packet!!!

"What? Up £3 on average over the last 3 months"

Thats a bot short term isnt it. Tell me, what the increase over 2,5,10 years!!!!

Whos laughing now!!!!
9

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

16/10/2008 12:18:18

5. You display the same ignorant, pompous ramblings and continue to come across as a complete pr ick .

10

Randan,

16/10/2008 12:18:52
allknowing, I am simply making it faster for people to judge you a complete @rsehole.
11

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:19:43
#7

And, this short term blip makes no difference to an investment based over 20 years.

Are you really that short sighted.When I bought my properties 10 years ago, what were they worth, and what are they worth now??? Just think, 15-20yrs to go, imagaine the value then!!!!
12

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:21:04
#10 oh no, people on a forum might think im an '@rsehole. Oh oh!!
13

Liz,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:31:06
You may find that the real people you know think you an @rsehole too - only they are just not in a position to tell you - ever thought about that?!

14

ccc,

16/10/2008 12:38:53
People like allknowing just simply do not get it - do they ?

They have gone from being the winners to being the losers - and all in the last 12 months. The thing is most were too wrapped up in their 'success' to see the writing on the wall and get out whilst they could.

"A sensible landlord takes out a BTL mortgage"...

Jeez not the sharpest tool is this guy !!

A BTL mortgage is only useful when prices are rising. When they are falling all it means is you are simply renting from the bank.

You have simply become a tenant for the landlord of BANK.

Sweet justice and how amusing.

:)
15

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:40:25
#13 yup, and I couldnt care less, and why should I???

This whole attitude of 'what must they think of me' got us into this mess in the first place.

People just had to max themselves out, buy the nicest house in the nicest area, go on 2 hols a year, buy mini and a 50" plasma tv.

I couldnt care if people think i am a 4x4, b2l, waitrose sandwich eating pr4ck. I am happy, so why bother????
16

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:44:06
#'14 and this is why you will be poor.

Any investment in property is long term isnt it??? I bought back in the early 90s, how much do you think i've realised in 18 years?

true at the moment the market is low, but do you honestly believe it will stay so?

If you do, good luck to you. I expect to see you on these forums in 5 years saying sorry for your cr4p advice.

As above, ive got another 20yrs to run. mmm, how much will it me worth then do you think?????
17

Mallory,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:44:30
...Rent levels for one-bedroom flats have risen by 5.9 per cent compared to July to September 2007, the report found...

and inflation is running at what just now?

a little bit more economic literacy please from the 'News and vested property interests looking for a free plug.

18

Vandala,

16/10/2008 12:48:34
#15. "Why bother?" Agreed.

So, why bother posting?
19

ccc,

16/10/2008 13:01:34
#16

Poor...

I have no debt. I have a huge amount of savings. Is that what you describe as poor...:)

You say imagine what you will earn over the 40 year period of your purchases. Ever bothered to check how much interest you will also pay over this perdiod ?

If you have interest only mortgages like you say ever considored how you will pay these off when they run their course ? You do know that interest only means you are renting of the bank ?

I hope you know that for your own sake.....

PS Thanks letting agent for a decent honest response. Refreshing change from the usual guff that is spouted more often than not in the press.
20

Liz,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 13:43:57
#19
What you are saying fits with what I have read elsewhere and that is what I find annoying about the sloppy journalism that we get from the EEN. Balanced articles in this paper are hard to come by.

It would be nice if they could run an article based on how people looking to rent now being able to get hefty discounts on the rental prices but as much of the money for this paper comes from the property sector they will never do it.
21

allknowing,

16/10/2008 13:44:08
#22 . "Ever bothered to check how much interest you will also pay over this perdiod"

Erm.. the whole point of btl is that you get suckers (tennents) to pay that, plus more for other costs and profit!!!

22

allknowing,

16/10/2008 14:00:56
29, exactly.

it amazes me that laymen like those above say ju p, just because there will be a downturn for a number of years!!!!!if i sold all my investments everytime they dipped,i would ba as poor as ccc.
23

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 14:00:58
I have to admit this is one aspect of the credit crunch that I am a fan off whereby my flats are being let the day they are advertised and at a new higher rent!
24

ccc,

16/10/2008 14:04:55
#28

"Erm.. the whole point of btl is that you get suckers (tennents) to pay that, plus more for other costs and profit!!!"

I am currently a sucker. I have no debst and big savings. I can pick and choose when I buy a place. Can you pick and choose when you rent out or sell your flats...didn't think so.

You also don't seem to understadn what the letting agent is telling you. People can bargain now. You can want your tenants paying you more till the cows come home. However they are in charge - not you.
25

easy money,

brazil 16/10/2008 15:04:43
the only people that are winning out of this whole game are people like me...

i took the risks in the early 90's when people told me property was finished in Edinburgh....i've got a very nice portfolio of flats bought and paid for.... as for rents....well, i have to say im charging more than ever...the credit crunch has ben good to me and long may it continue...

you have to feel sorry for all the suckers who are paying their landlords like me dead money month on month with no end in sight but thats life....this may suit those who dont want any commitment or responsibilty in life and to be honest thank goodness there are people like this.....my advice to those of you stuck in this position...

look for the opportunities around you and dont believe the hype....and by the way the demise of Gregor Shore really has made my day...

happy days
26

Normy,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:06:29
its all about supply and demand.....
27

easy money,

brazil 16/10/2008 15:08:05
letting agent - your full o *ish an wind...

in 2018 a one bed flat in Edinburgh will be £200k....
28

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:29:32
Funnily enough I was speaking to a few of the sales chaps at one of the city centre agencies - They told me that the market is totally saturated with 2 bed flats, prospective tenants were being more cautious about the rent levels they would commit to, and the whole property market was depressed - not just sales. At least those were the excuses for why they took over 3 months to find a tenant....

Anyway, yes - this is just another variant on the Johnston press theme of reprinting any old PR from estate agents cos firstly they don't employ enough (if any) reporters with the time or intelligence to write a decently researched article and secondly they are desperate for the advertising revenue from house adverts and need the market to pick up.....
29

ccc,

16/10/2008 15:35:45
Interesting how quickly greed turns to fear.

These are the two main factors that control markets.

All of the 'Hah, this is great, I have never made so much money' category are so clearly bricking themselves.

It is quite sad really. Their desire to show they don't care that the value of their assets is dropping by thousands every week. Yeah I am sure they are delighted with that as they get another phone call from a tenant demanding their radiator is fixed yet again.

Being a landlord is not the road to riches many think. Loads of hassle, a semi reasonable return and years of hard and annoying work dealing with people and problems on a daily basis.

If that is what someone wants to do then fine. However as soon as a 'landlord' starts telling strangers how much money they have made - is when you know they are in trouble.

A property is a depreciating asset that takes continual investment simply to retain it's value. For the next 5 years at least it is a depreciating asset that will take continual investment only to drop by value in the region of 50+%.

Great investment...

Still all good for people like me. Mega supply of rental properties to choose from. Whilst I sit back, save cash and buy a house IN CASH when I feel like it.

What a sucker eh.....
30

ccc,

16/10/2008 15:42:44
#41.

Good info. Cheers.

I work down the New Town. This is the period following the surge in the students to pick up any flat in the Dundas ST, Cumberland St surround. Usually at this time of year there are very few around as all the students have snapped them up.

At the moment however there are so many flats to rent it is unbelieveable. If there is a glut in this oh so desirable area of Edinburgh then other areas must be in despair.

I predicted over a year ago house prices and rent prices would collapse in this city. I was laughed at. Along with the few other people who knew what was coming.

Good to hear we have EA's and letting agents facing up to reality now too.

You guys know as good as we do that the sooner this all bottoms out the better. Any attempts at denial will simpl prolong the pain and make the end result unimaginable.
31

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:46:04
#41 - hope you weren't one of the people I was grumbling to for not letting my flat ;-)
Yes - totally agree with you though: Its noticeable that the quote from Retties is actually more cautious and realistic...
Also the trumpeted high average figure of £839 for EH3 for "Canonmills, Fountainbridge, Inverleith and Tollcross" fails to mention that the postcode also includes great swathes of the New Town... which is always going to be a wee bit more expensive than everywhere else...
32

easy money,

brazil 16/10/2008 16:03:05
the 2 bedders were always a bad bet...anyone with any foresight could have seen that...

there are many bitter tennents out there with no ambition and there are many people who have had their fingers burned thinking property would make them a quick buck....i pity them all

property is along term game and those who dont understand the market should bail out now......if you bought new build you may as well just go and jump off the forth bridge as this investment is a non starter...

i took the risks back in the early 90's when all the doom mongers told me it was over....i dont need to work any more and i've got a nice stock of ambitionless fools (sorry long term tennents) who keep me in a very comfortable lifestyle......

in 2018 a one bed flat in Edinburgh will be £200k...

lets face it when lock ups in the city centre are going for more than £100k i dont think there's too much to worry about...

if you cant afford it them move somewhere else...or get a second job in the DIY store...
33

Lord_S,

Brazil 16/10/2008 16:36:18
"a nice stock of ambitionless fools": landlords! those who were so lazy that they that bought flats when they were cheap so they could laze around with their hands out begging from tennants.

Is that any different to a slob on benefits or a street beggar?
34

Brian Ferrari,

16/10/2008 17:32:15
The top end of the market has a glut of properties, but if you look at areas like bruntsfield/morningside/marchmont - check out the number of properties to rent on the espc website in these areas - and you'll see that there's not much available.

Markets within markets.

I reckon the market's going to dip over the next year and then will pick up very sharply as the money supply is freed up and interest rates drops. The demand is there - even ccc dreams about the house he will eventually buy.

This credit cycle still has a bit further to run - Gordon Brown is in charge of the world economy at the moment and he'll try all he can to give himself a fighting chance in May 2010.

35

The Sheriff,

16/10/2008 18:30:10
I have a home, I do not care about this and as for alknowing he's a knob.
36

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/10/2008 19:45:55
As one data point: my city centre rent hasn't increased in 5.5 years.

We'll be in recession by christmas and house prices will be down 20% in real terms. They'll fall faster in 2009.
37

easy money,

brazil 16/10/2008 20:55:54
the story in the paper says city rents are soaring...yes, its true they are rising....

why cant people just accept it??

in 2018 a one bed flat in this city will be £200k

in 2010 all the "i'll rent it out brigade" will be fighting against each other for the first time buyer homes and this will push prices up....lower interest rates, better mortgage deals, pent up demand will add fuel to the fire....we'll see the beginning of another property bubble....

i rememeber all the doom mongers who told me property was finished back in 1990 when i was buying up flats for less than £25k....changed days now eh?

mine are all payed up and im living abroad on the income every month.....just as well we have suckers like ccc in this city....lets hope he never wakes up and actually buys a house as he's a landlords dream...



38

MB,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 22:07:26
Well, I can appreciate both sides of the story as I own a property elsewhere that I let out and I rent myself in Edinburgh. Any good landlord who is mindful of his/her investment will treat tenants as the clients that they are and take care to keep good tenants when they come along. This is what makes me think that the self-proclaimed landlords on this comment forum are liars. Professional landlords are professional towards their tenants and understand that they depend on them to look after their investment. For five years now I've let out my property to a great couple who have always paid the rent on time and keep the place immaculate. I haven't raised the rent once because I'm not financially stretched (unlike some on this forum, it seems!) and I appreciate my tenants. I'm not in this to squeeze blood out of people - I just happen not to want to buy in Edinburgh (because property here is at least 40% overvalued) but want to keep a toehold in property generally to diversify my investments.

From the tenant's point of view, it is obvious that there is a glut of rental property in Edinburgh. Our letting agent that we rent our property through is 'high-end' but when they tried to raise our rent (by 10%!) we just refused. They attempted to claim that rents were rising but when we asked for data to prove this, they couldn't provide any. They backed down in the end as they were just bluffing - they knew that the tenants now have the upper hand. We will most likely move out anyway now, however, as there are so many bargains on the market. As far as I can see, rents haven't risen at all in the last 5 years apart from keeping pace with inflation. There are just too many BTL amateurs who have flooded the market and many will soon be going bankrupt due to falling rents and property values and recession generally. Edinburgh property owners, especially leveraged investors, are in for a nasty shock.

Thanks to Letting Agent for your useful insights. It certainly ties in wi
39

ccc,

16/10/2008 22:21:13
#60

"in 2010 all the "i'll rent it out brigade" will be fighting against each other for the first time buyer homes and this will push prices up"

What are you talking about ? The 'rent it out brigade' already have a home, albeit under a massive mortgage. Why will they be 'fighting' each other for first time buyer homes..............they already have one..

:)
40

Glenda,

blah 17/10/2008 17:52:55
# 63 Letting Agent

Hope to hear more from you on this cursed Evening News website.

We could do with a bit more intelligent commentary re. news items.

I've enjoyed your insight into the letting market. Just shows how biased the EEN are towards the property companies and the ESPC who provide advertising revenue and 'bent' information.

 

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