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Buy my house and I'll give you £50,000



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Published Date: 17 June 2008
A HOUSE-SELLER has become so desperate to clinch a deal he is offering £50,000 cash back to the buyer of his home.
The four-bedroom house in Queensferry Road has been on the market for several months at a fixed price of £599,000 but interest has dried up.

Malcolm Young, 57, wants to move his wife Yvonne, 45, and children Callum, ten, and Sarah, eight, to Northern Ireland, where he has business interests.

However, their move has been held up by the credit crunch draining the confidence of buyers and lenders. Rather than lower the asking price from its market valuation, they have decided to offer a cash incentive which would be paid on completion of the deal.

Cash back offers are often used by developers of new properties, but experts believe in the current climate owners of second-hand homes may have to use them too.

Mr Young, a business psychologist like his wife, said: "We love the house and have lived there for 16 years. It's a lovely old property with a big garden and has been great for the kids.

"We had a bit of interest when it first went on the market and we expected things to pick up over the last few months, but, if anything, it has dried up completely."

He added: "We believe the house has been valued correctly and I expect anyone who wanted to buy it could get a mortgage against the full value.

"So, rather than reduce the asking price, we decided to offer cash back, which helps with stamp duty, legal costs, and moving."

The family's difficulty in selling their house is a clear sign of problems in the upper end of the Edinburgh property market, which, had previously been seen as immune to the UK slump.

The credit crunch has reduced the average value of homes in Scotland to just over £150,000 – down from more than £160,000 when the market peaked last year.

Many sellers in Edinburgh have preferred to sit it out and wait for the market to improve, rather than make concessions.

But experts believe those determined to sell now will have to be inventive to clinch a deal.

David Marshall of the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre, said: "Maybe we are starting to see more incentives being offered.

"It is more unusual with second-hand properties, but it is a good way of making your home stand out."


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  • Last Updated: 17 June 2008 11:08 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

Randan,

17/06/2008 12:11:49
As they say in the mortgage adverts: The value of your property can go up or down.
Looks like it just went down mate! Still you've had it for 16 years so even if you drop to a more realistic price you'll still make a whacking profit.
2

Edinburghs Finest,

17/06/2008 12:12:00
But surely you would still pay Stamp Duty on the £550,000... why not just lowere price to 500k
3

Sarcasm,

17/06/2008 12:13:14
Meanwhile in other non-publicity seeking events, other house sellers simply lowered the asking price thereby decreasing the loan to value ratio and making mortgaes easier to get.
4

Claire22,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 12:14:09
This house has been on the market for longer than a few months.

If it is not selling, then the sad and harsh fact is that it is too expensive.

After all it is £600,000 for a house on a very busy road.

I can't believe that someone who could afford a mortgage on this would be influenced by a cashback offer. Why doesn't he just cut the price?

5

gods lovechild,

17/06/2008 12:15:50
its about time people stopped being so greedy , house prices are rediculous and in most cases simply not worth the asking price,
6

Moron Slapper,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 12:16:43
This is a stupid tactic when used by developers selling new property, for an individual to do this is stupid and deluded. You need a reality check, the house is only worth what someone will pay for it; if it is not selling it is too expensive lower the price! No need to hide behind smoke and mirrors. Moron.
7

Sarcasm,

17/06/2008 12:16:57
Mr Young, a business psychologist, thinks it makes sense to use the Edinburgh Evening news to publicise a £600K house for sale.

Thankfully it's none of my business.
8

allknowing,

17/06/2008 12:17:37
Got to agree with number 4.

QFR is very busy most of the day, and VERY bad at rush hour.

Not only is it a pain just leaving your house during thesr times, the noise and pollution would be unbearable.

If the owner is reading this, i will sincerly give you £225K right now for it!
9

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 12:19:32
A house's value is nothing more than what the buyer is willing to pay for it, so to say that he thinks it's valued correctly is totally wrong if no-one is willing to buy it!

House prices are falling all over the country, why does this numpty think his is any different?

And why has he ran to the local rag to whine about it? It's nothing more than free advertising. I'd like to see if there are any links between this man and EEN staff members.
10

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/06/2008 12:20:36
"We believe the house has been valued correctly".

Well I'm afraid you're wrong. The value of a property is the amount someone is prepared to pay for it. You have amply demonstrated that no-one is prepared to pay the price you have set.

11

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/06/2008 12:21:09
#9 Ach, snap.
12

alex paterson,

embra 17/06/2008 12:23:28
Why not £25,000 cash back and £25,000 of the price,sound a lot better.
13

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 12:23:49
Busy road mate. That's your problem.

For £600K (or for £550K for that matter) you'll choose a quieter location.

That's my FREE psychoanalasysis of every buyer out there that has that much wedge to burn.
14

Alembic,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 12:25:26
Business psychologist...hmmm....
15

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 12:27:17
And another thing:

There's no way any surveyor worth his salt will stick a value on the property of £600K when they know that the price is £550K
16

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17/06/2008 12:28:24
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17

Victoria Ian,

17/06/2008 12:32:50
Free advertising in the Evening News- beats paying for the Gallery section in the ESPC!!

Also, the stamp duty will be on the full whack so these tactics are a bit daft but good luck mate. Very nice houses there so I disagree about the main rd being a big turn off.

18

alex patersons English teacher,

17/06/2008 12:34:19
13
£25,000 of the price is £25,000,a bargain in deed.
19

alex patersons English teacher,

17/06/2008 12:36:12
18
the main road is about the same size of turn of as any other,enough to get removal van in.
20

Edward,

17/06/2008 12:39:12
The clue is in his occupation!
'Mr Young, a business psychologist like his wife'
21

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 12:42:46
#18 Victoria Ian

So you live on a busy road then?
22

Liz,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 12:45:55
What a pillock.

If it is not selling he is obviously asking too much for it.

He had better cut the price now and hope for a quick sale or he could end up chasing the market down once prices really start falling here in Scotland.

23

Edward,

17/06/2008 12:47:41
This is their business website http://tinyurl.com/5qasep
24

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 12:48:09
Where's ccc?

This sort of thing is right up his street.

See!! See!! See!!
25

Agadoo,

17/06/2008 12:49:02
Stamp duty is 4% over £500,000 and 3% below. So if the seller reduces the price to £499,999 and does away with £50,000 rebate, the total price (including stamp duty) is £514,998.97.

At £559,000 with stamp duty of 4% and a rebate of £50,000, the total price is £531,360. Why pay 4% stamp duty on a rebate? Madness!
26

Metal Mickey,

17/06/2008 12:54:16
"We believe the house has been valued correctly" But that doesn't mean that someone HAS to buy at £599,000!
27

Angus R,

17/06/2008 12:54:20
nae tram link mate, there's yer problem.

Although i agree he should lower the price i think the idea of the cashback is to pay the stamp duty and costs invloved in moving etc that can't be added to your mortgage. I reckon anyone that can afford over a half million squid house has a little stashed away for a rainey day though.
28

Detector,

17/06/2008 13:00:39
Agadoo - your analysis is partially correct - you will pay stamp duty of 4% over £500,000, which is correct, but you'll be paying it on the price paid - £599,000 - not on the value less rebate. His objective is to pay your stamp duty plus a wee incentive.

Thus, total price is £599,00 + 4% (£23,960) = £622,960 - the rebate comes after the purchase, so you'd be liable for £23,960 stamp duty. Less rebate, all in would be £572,960 - that is £41,600 more than you surmised. Ouch!
29

ccc,

17/06/2008 13:06:03
Been warning of this sort of thing for ages. Only going to get worse.

What can I add that has not already been posted above. His idea bout the 'valuation' is simply the usual denial that people in this situation put themselves through.

Once people start to break rank and SERIOUSLY Lower prices to get out quick then the mayhem will really begin.
30

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/06/2008 13:09:06
His problem is that he's not in Edinburgh. Edinburgh is protected by Fairy Dust from the ravages of the credit bubble.
31

Its so Vriesy,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:09:21
Simple laws of the difference between value and worth apply here....
32

Edward,

17/06/2008 13:10:51
Me thinks the house was never valued at £ 599,000 in the first place, I would probly think that the true value is £ 449,000, but its the old game of buy it for £ 599,000 Ill give you £ 50,000, so you think your getting a bargain at £ 549,000, but in fact the seller is making an additional £ 100,000 more and your stuck
33

Edward,

17/06/2008 13:12:33
its a bit strange though that this guy's business is based in Scotland and claims to have many Scottish NHS trusts as clients, yet they are moving the business to Northern Ireland - something not quite jelling here
http://www.savageyoung.com/content.asp?contentid=23
34

Raoul Duke,

17/06/2008 13:16:06
What most people above have said, complete idiot.
35

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/06/2008 13:17:34
I'm not sure it was clever to publicise his cashback deal here. The lenders are already pulling back from cashback on new properties because essentially it means that what looks like at 90% LTV loan on paper is in fact a greater than 100% loan in reality. When prices are falling, this isn't the business lenders are looking for. If they see cashback deals on secondhand housing, they're likely to look askance at large LTV loans for those too.

As someone else pointed out, it's also a means to put more cash into Alistair Darling's pocket.

I can't for the life of me see what's wrong with just dropping the price. Is he scared the neighbours will take up torches and pitchforks?
36

Lord Psycho Sexy,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:17:45
No. 30.

Isn't your favoured term "carnage"? You do prattle on.
37

Bob 2,

17/06/2008 13:27:24
best comments

5 gods lovechild,17/06/2008 12:15:50
its about time people stopped being so greedy , house prices are rediculous and in most cases simply not worth the asking price

watch any of these House Programmes and they are obsessesd with the Price.

Best one is were people take a look at House with a badly decorated interior....valuation £100k, they do a bit of a makeover, spending £5k, value £120k.....same people come along and say hey , we might make an offer
...are these people stupid....pay £100k and decorate it yourself...and your still left with £15k to waste on something else
38

Bob 2,

17/06/2008 13:30:02
great publicity though and all FREE courtesy of the EN, does anyone realise the price of an ad in the EN or even the ESPC.

maye the EN could have a featured house for anyone that is looking for people to pay over the odds for a house!!!
39

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 13:33:36
I think this is all perfectly fine as it is and most people just wish they were in a position to have a 600 grand house up for sale.

40

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:35:42
Hang on, I'm confused. Surely this is the same rag that was reprinting any old Estate Agent's "market ramping" PR about Edinburgh prices continuing to defy the rest of world economy? Just look at "City still hot property despite prices slump" and similar pathetic stories in the column to the right...

And as per other comments - this house is clearly overpriced.
41

ccc,

17/06/2008 13:37:42
#37.

Yes I do 'prattle on'. I prattle on with the truth. I prattle on with great FREE advice for people who have been thinking about buying somewhere recently.

I prattle on with information that the vested interests from inside the property 'game' have been keeping quiet from the masses.

Whether you like what I say or not does not matter. I am right. Deal with it.
42

ccc,

17/06/2008 13:40:24
#41.

Spot on. Except you can probably replace your last sentence with the following...

"Edinburgh is clearly overpriced"

:)
43

MainStream,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 13:47:21
Why all the sarcastic and objectionable comments simply because this gentleman wishes to add an incentive to sell his property. The location is no worse than staying in certain other parts of Edinburgh and as for this gripe about Stamp Duty the gentleman has clarified in the article that the cashback is to "help with stamp duty, legal fees and movings costs" It does not suggest that he is trying to pull the wool over the eyes of a prospective purchaser. Are these comments coming from persons who simply are jealous that they could not afford but would love to own such a property? I hope this plan works for him and his family.
44

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17/06/2008 13:47:42
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45

Lord Psycho Sexy,

17/06/2008 13:50:45
No. 42

You do your fellow Edinburgers a huge dis-service. It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together and work out what is likely to happen in the current climate.

For some reason, you seem to think you're the only enlightened one; tunnel vision.
46

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 14:04:10
Ive been seeing it here for about a year, properties having money knocked off after 6 months or so. I think ive been saying it for about six months as well.

I think - If you have to sell , sell , if you dont hang on. It wont be the end of the world and prices will recover.
47

ccc,

17/06/2008 14:11:49
#46.

"It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together and work out what is likely to happen in the current climate.

For some reason, you seem to think you're the only enlightened one; tunnel vision."

I think you will find I have been 'prattling' on about this for a lot longer than the 'current climate' was obvious.

I have been warning people on another forum I visit of this for over 18 months. I have telling all this to friends and fanily for over 2 years.

Funny thing is very few of them listened.

Now they all want my advice....
48

The Central Scutinizor,

17/06/2008 14:40:21
I must be missing something here - £599,000 asking price where you recieve £50,000 back - falsely upping the asking price and then settling for the price you really wish by then marking it down with a 'generous' offer of cashback?? isn't that the same as a shop selling a fridge valued at £300, marking it up to £400 and offering £100 back, so buyer ends up paying the £300 anyway?
49

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 14:40:52
Heres the future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65oS6BYEfr0&feature=related
50

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 17/06/2008 14:55:23
49.

If the 50k is in cash, it would be of value to someone who needs to improve his liquidity position.
51

Chris,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 15:08:05
#49: They are both business psychologists, playing on people's gullibility.
52

Fredster.,

17/06/2008 15:13:16
My friend would love a swap deal.. he lives in a penthouse, with great views of the city. Can also see the Castle and Arthurs Seat, and even Fife on a clear day!

Its 15/4 Littlefrance House Moredun :)
53

Jimmy the Pie,

17/06/2008 15:16:35
I'm surprised the headline didn't read.

"SNP policies slash value of family's house".
"Red Wendy calls for inquiry at once"

By Hamish Macdonnel
54

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 15:27:02
54 I'm suprised the Headline didnt read

Buy my house or I run amok with a breadknife.

By tanita tikaram
55

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 15:39:04
#48 - Good grief man, talk about smug.

Of course anyone could see this coming, you're not the only one! The point is no-one could predict when.

If you have been predicting this for 18 months then you'd have been dead wrong, because 4 -18 months ago you could have made a killing riding on the bubble before it burst (has it here? when did it? Perhaps a killing can still be made?). And you'd have been left with egg on your face as your friends and family laughed all the way to the bank.

Let's here your predictions on when things will now change if you are such a know it all?!
56

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 15:39:53
#56 here=hear
57

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17/06/2008 15:54:19
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58

ccc,

17/06/2008 15:56:31
#56.

I love the hoards of people turning up now who are joining the 'I also knew all along' Brigade. Quite laughable really.

I have been told for the last 2 years "You must buy a house", or you will "Be left behind", and you will "Miss the boat".

I have not been sucked in by this nonsense. If you have missed one boat another will come along sooner or later. That is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

I have simply made sure I have no debts and a nice wad of savings. As for predictions if you go by previous boom and busts in the UK housing market then about 4-5 years will be the very bottom of the trough. That is when I will 'think' about buying somewhere, depending on the situation at that time.

Amazing how people like me are suddenly the 'smug' ones.

We have had to listen to nonsense for years of all the masses telling us 'how much their house was worth' and how much 'profit they had made', whilst sitting there looking down on us 'non-homeowners'.

Yes I am smug. And so I should be. I have paddled against the tide, done the opposite of what everyone has been telling me to do, and I am going to come out on top. :)

The majority are simply jealous of people like msyelf who have the courage and sense of our convictions to do something different.

The chickens are coming home to roost. Just like we told you they would.

Deal with it.

59

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 16:02:51
I dont understand about the chickens and the boats.
60

FrankGallagher,

17/06/2008 16:18:52
This house is near mine and has had the 50k cash back on it for over a month...great reporting EEN, lets scare monger some more folk
61

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 16:22:32
#59 I tried to read what you wrote but kept falling into a coma.

If I am correct I can summarise what you said with 'I'm smug because I sat and did nothing for the past two years whilst telling others not to buy or sell houses. I also have some savings and/or a chicken boat'.

Deal with what? That?

Personally I did buy and sell and made a nice wee profit. So I'd have been MAD to follow your advice.
62

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 16:25:21
ccc

Your argument about 'buy now or miss the boat' is purely subjective, depending on how long you have deferred buying.

Are you too young, don't have enough money to buy, etc?

If you had bought five years ago or more you would still be quids in. If you bought in the past three years there is a good chance you could get your fingers burnt.

There are 5 new builds (three years old) in my street which have been on the market for more than three months, no takers, mainly because they are
a) overpriced rubbish
b) not worth the money (and never have been)
c) mortgage market has dried up.

These owners bought in 2005 thinking they could make a killing and are now in deep doo-doo because they can't sell their overpriced houses on which they are paying a hefty mortgage.

63

alex patersons English teacher,

17/06/2008 16:31:15
57 here=hear

you agree with your comment in #56.

so do i, hear hear.

64

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 16:32:22
I would rather have bought a house nearly 20 years ago which is STILL worth 500 % more than have a chicken boat ccc.

We talked about this before, basically you have a mental problem.
65

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 16:42:18
Voila!

Numpty

Scottish usage:
a) Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.

b) A good humoured admonition, a term of endearment

c) A reckless, absent minded or unwise person
a) "No. That wisnae wit she meant, ya big numpty!"

b) i.e. "Silly billy", "You big dafty"

c) "That numpty's driving with no lights on!"
66

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 16:42:48
damnitdamnitdamnit wrong thread
67

techpunk,

17/06/2008 16:48:34
again, ccc opens his/ her mouth and lets their belly rumble.

you have been telling us for however long that prices are going to crash massively in edinburgh, and by your own workings, the article supports this?

correct me if i am wrong, but the article refers to someone who is selling his house at the same price he was looking for some months ago, albeit with added incentive.

where does it say the value of his property has decreased? it does not.

do you really think his predicament is unusual, in the terms of selling a 600k property? it is not.
68

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 16:51:41
#65

http://marysholidaysps.com/easter/E056.jpg
69

techpunk,

17/06/2008 16:56:44
#65

I agree

(my quote from an earlier post, re ccc):


"Regarding my opinion as to your mental condition (you did ask!), I believe that it is specifically a "grandios" delusional disorder (a fixed false belief that involves themes of special powers or abilities), which we are dealing with.

The tome of your comment "I am the one who has predicted" is very condusive with the behaviour you have displayed previously in most, if not all of your posts over the weeks (i.e, grandios delusional behaviour). This, along with your aggressive nature, dismissiveness (and all the other indicators which you display, and as listed on the link I posted earlier) suggest a problem to me.

But Hey! I'm no expert!"
70

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 16:56:48
#69 That's not a chicken boat, THIS is a chicken boat.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the-bh/2317155786/
71

Dragonlord,

17/06/2008 17:11:38
Why not just torch the place and claim the insurance....Did I just say that out loud?
72

Brian Ferrari,

17/06/2008 17:15:43
#71

Looks like it's a clucking steamer
73

ccc,

17/06/2008 17:20:45
#63.

Yes you are totally correct about the 'timing' of missing the boat. And your 3 years is probably about right. May go a it beyond that though.

Your example of the overpriced new builds is why we are in this mess in the first place. People simply being greedy and thinking they can get money for nothing.

As for myself I have more than enough to buy if I wish.
We are talking 20%+ deposit.
However I just have not been stupid enough to buy in the last couple of years. Because I have bothered to look into the details of what is happening. For some reason that sets me up for derision...

As for the other replies I can sense a certain fear. This is to be expected when these things occur. I do love all the 'hear hear's'.

Just taking a little comfort in the hope that this 'ccc' character is talking nonsense after all. Because you can't bear to think that I may absolutely correct about what is happening....

And all this for simply giving out good advice. Well I never............

:)
74

techpunk,

17/06/2008 17:30:07
what i would really like to know ccc is this:

when you eventually buy (as you have intimated you will), what happens if there is a crash when you are in ownership?

what happens when some jumped up little erse, starts gloating at your position and hopes all misfortunes on you?

you are pathetic. you really, really are.
75

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 17:36:00
ah say ah say ah say ccc , 75 has raised some good points there.
76

ccc,

17/06/2008 18:04:45
#75

"when you eventually buy (as you have intimated you will), what happens if there is a crash when you are in ownership?

what happens when some jumped up little erse, starts gloating at your position and hopes all misfortunes on you?

you are pathetic. you really, really are"


(1)I wouldn't give a hoot as I would own a house and not care how much it was worth. If it was worth 10k or 100k it would not bother me. You see that has been the problem with this country in the last few years. Greed, pure unadulterated greed. But I am the one being the 'smug'. I don't quite see how.....


(2)Please tell me what 'misfortunes' I am wishing on anyone ? I want house prices to fall to reasonable levels. There will be winners and there will be losers. There will be more winners than losers. If anyone who has simply got into property to make money gets bankrupted then nae luck. Investments can go down as well as up in value. You not heard that before.........

Next....
77

Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 18:21:50
#77 ccc

I don't agree with you. Trying to make a bit of cash from property is not simply greed. Why sneer at people who want to try and improve their life a bit? People work hard and get taxed to the hilt, and there's you, sneering and boasting. No wonder you're lonely.


78

Playground Monitor,

Embra 17/06/2008 18:22:26
All the ad hominem attacks on ccc will not change the fact that the 'Edinburgh is Immune' brigade are the deluded ones.

This 'business psychologist' thinks he's being clever with his £50K cashback, he's not. The market has run out of 'must buy at any cost' chimps. As has been shown already, the monetary benefit to a buyer is far less than £50K off the price.

Even with his free ad in the EN, I suspect this guy will be chasing the market all the way down and may eventually get the £340K his house is worth in 2012 (though I think we'll see 40% reductions well before 2012 - some areas of the market are already there).
79

techpunk,

17/06/2008 18:23:20
right. so you wouldnt give a hoot if, for example, you bought a flat at 100k, and then the interest rates shot through the roof, and you are forced to sell up. you then find the flat value has decreased to 70k. this means you leave with a 30k debt, with nothing to show for it. this wouldn't bother you?

the above example is exactly the type of misfortune you have been pedalling....no...hoping onus homeowners, isn't it?

why you want to own a property is beyond me. it honestly is.
80

sheeplecull,

edinburgh 17/06/2008 18:24:48
No.63. What makes you think that people who bought their house five or ten years ago will be able to sell at profit? The ESPC is full to bursting point with property that won`t sell. The removal of cheap credit means most people can pay for housing based only on what they themselves actually earn. This fact alone means for me that we are returning to around 1997 prices. Add in a recession, and the massive amount of personal debt people carry, for which there is no historical precedent, then I think we are in for a very big correction in prices. This gentleman has as much chance of selling his house at his asking price as I have of passing SAS selection.
81

ccc,

17/06/2008 18:31:14
#80.

If I buy a place I will buy it at the right time and for the right money.

-I have looked into long term historic interest rates. -I have looked into long term house prices.
-I have looked into long term trends.
-I have looked into long term cycles.

I wouldn't dare even THINK about signing on the dotted line for a MASSIVE loan unless I had done all the above.

Most in this country have gone out and got a MASSIVE loan that they can barely afford and not even bothered to look into what MAY happen in the future. They have not even bothered to think about how they would cope if prices went down or interest rates went up, or both....

Why should I feel sorry for people who have made these stupid decisions and are not willing to deal with the consequences ?

Want me to bail them out by paying for an overprices house do you ? No thanks. Think I will just be rewarded for my diligence and forward thinking.

And your problem with this is................
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sheeplecull,

edinburgh 17/06/2008 18:38:53
Remember, you are only a homeowner if you really own your home. Having a big silly mortgage that you cannot afford doesn`t count, this just means that the bank owns the house and the bank owns you. Try missing three payments and see if there is much difference from renting
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Playground Monitor,

17/06/2008 18:39:14
#80

If I am acquiring my largest and most illiquid asset, I hope I'd have the sense to research the market and not buy at the top of a bubble. I'd also do a stress analysis to ensure that I can continue to afford it should interest rates rise.

For those who didn't do that, and by their actions fed the bubble, thus delaying my entry into the housing market, hell mend them!

I can count and therefore I look forward to buying sometime in the next 2-4 years. My rent is looking far less like 'dead money' than your (hypothetical?) £30K debt with nothing to show for it.
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techpunk,

17/06/2008 18:57:19
what do you plan on doing? selling your home every 18 years, just before the downwards point of the "cycle"?. you do believe that for some reason: that its every 18 years we have a property crash. is this a "hippy" thing or something? drugs could explain a lot to me.

or maybe you are a druid or something, which would make you believe you to be the only person in the world unsusceptable to market fluctuations?

you are a truly astounding individual. but i like it!

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techpunk,

17/06/2008 19:02:34
#84

yes, hypothetical, but i was actually being kind. peas-for-brains thinks we are looking at a crash here of something like 40-50%.

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Fud,

Brighton 17/06/2008 19:05:24
Sorry nothing to do with this article ( desperate any photos of greenwside row 0 have a hangkering to see where i lived )call me centamental )
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Proximo,

17/06/2008 19:11:31
ccc@ #48

"I have been warning people on another forum I visit of this for over 18 months. I have telling all this to friends and fanily for over 2 years"

Do your friends and fanily(?!) not get a bit fed up of you going on about it for over 2 years? ;-)
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Adso,

17/06/2008 19:28:53
£600k for a place on Qferry Rd - good luck bro.

U have had it for 16 yrs so where did the £600k come from? Anyhoo - this dude is old enouff to remember the 90s - should know better!!! Estate agents will tell u that u can live on mana from heaven - does not mean u can!
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Angry Rob,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 19:29:55
Comical story! This guy can't be getting good advice from the supposed experts when the lenders have already said that these sort of incentives will no longer be allowed.

"their move has been held up by the credit crunch draining the confidence of buyers and lenders"

Wrong! Their move has been held up because the market value of his house is (far) lower than he believes.
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Adso,

17/06/2008 19:37:07
£600k for a place on Qferry Rd - good luck bro.

U have had it for 16 yrs so where did the £600k come from? Anyhoo - this dude is old enouff to remember the 90s - should know better!!! Estate agents will tell u that u can live on mana from heaven - does not mean u can!
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TR20,

Edinburgh 17/06/2008 19:47:16
ccc is in the right 100 times over; the criticisms against his posts are pathetically weak. Greed and fear have been driving the market for so long and it's a shocking disgrace that housing wasn't included in inflation figures.

Edinburgh is going to fall big-time and only those shrewd enough not to have been drawn into this massive scam will be prepared to reap the rewards: a house to live in at an affordable price, not some money-making scheme.

People really need to wake up and smell the coffee, the denial is incredible, and the intellect lacking in a very worrying way. Anybody that is in support of how the market has been going over the last decade is wholly irresponsible, their behaviour worse than that of a spoilt child.

And it's not just the housing market; the U.K. is in such a state right now, it defies belief. You lot are in for a very big shock; fortunately, it seems several posters will be well set up for this, which will be some justice for those who are prepared to open their eyes to what is really going on.
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Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 19:51:32
#82 - Haha, that's funny. You completely sound like an asshat desperately trying to sound like you know what you're on about, when you clearly don't.

Can you see into the future? Is that the method by which you make your shrewd property purchases, you Donald Trump you?

As you said early, investments can go up as well as down. I'm an analyst by trade, and us analysts can't predict what my market will do based on a cr*ppy wee historical trend. I sincerely doubt you can with you 'trend data'.

I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself to be the asshat you are.
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ccc,

17/06/2008 19:52:49
#85

What are you talking about ?

I am simply saying buy a house when you can afford to - don't buy one when you cannot afford to.

And preferably not at the peak of the very biggest housing bubble this country has ever seen. Then when it goes up in value don't sit in the pub telling everyone how great that is and how rich you 'think' you are...

If you follow this simple plan when things like a housing crash come long you can simply IGNORE them as it won't affect you. Because you will be in the proud possession of a 'HOME' not an 'INVESTMENT'.

You getting this very simple logic yet....
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Foo,

ejinbara 17/06/2008 19:53:11
#93 - Hahaha, OK ccc fanboy.
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ccc,

17/06/2008 19:57:38
#94

You are funny. I will give you that.

"Can you see into the future?"

Yes. What goes up must come down. Bust will follow boom. Quite simple really.

"I'm an analyst by trade, and us analysts can't predict what my market will do based on a cr*ppy wee historical trend. I sincerely doubt you can with you 'trend data'"

Jeezo. A 'wee historical trend'. What? The one that shows house prices in the UK at their most un-affordable EVER. A well educated 8 year old child could predict correctly what will happen next. I hope your 'analyst' profession has nothing to do with finances. If it does you are in big trouble.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

17/06/2008 20:02:34
if this conversatinon was taking place in a pub you would get barred. or at least a few smirks
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geoffthechef,

chester 17/06/2008 20:09:28
YOU WILL NOR BELIEVE HOW QUICK THINGS HAVE CHANGED ROUND HERE THREE MONTHS AGO WE HAD A MARKET..NOW IN EVERY STREET THERE ARE BOARDS HUNDREDS OF THEM WITH FOR SALE SIGNS ON AND MY ESTATE AGENT TELLS ME HE HAS SOLD 3 HOUSES IN TWO MONTHS.IT CHANGES THAT QUICK AND IF YOU DONT THINK IT WILL HAPPEN UP THERE THINK AGAIN AS CHESTER HAS BEEN BOOMING FOR YEARS..NOT NOW THE WHOLE MOOD HAS CHANGED AND YOU NOTICE IT EVERYWHERE..THE SHOPS ARE EMPTY THE ROADS ARE EMPTY AND THE PUBS ARE CLOSING DOWN THIS HAS HAPPENED VERY VERY QUICKLY.....SO DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE IMMUNE TO IT ALL UP THERE..THIS CRASH IS ABSOLUTELY HAPPENING TEN TIMES FASTER THAN THE LAST ONE.....PROTECT YOURSELF.....DEBT IS ENSLAVING
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ccc,

17/06/2008 20:22:20
#98.

Barred for what exactly ? Pointing out the simple truth that some people really don't want to hear....

#99.

Cheers for the view from elsewhere. There are still many people in Scotland who think 'It will be different here'.

You know the crazy thing ? I am the one who is called delusional.

Go figure...
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

17/06/2008 20:38:55
I'm going to support ccc on this. The market was pushed up by speculators, bank's lax lending practices and people who believed the "get in now, or miss the boat" hyperbole. I only have some sympathy for the last group as they are likely to be first time buyers who may have received poor advice.

I have no sympathy for RE speculators who are essentially gamblers. Yes, property in the long term (at least 10 years) is a good investment if you can afford the payments or cover them with rental income. Flipping and buying in a bubble is gambling pure and simple as the bubble can burst at any time.

Artificially inflated housing prices do no-one any good except, for a time, the already rich who ARE greedy, contrary to some of the comments on here. If people are paying 60, 70% of their income on housing, the economy as a whole suffers - more stressed people around (higher healthcare costs), lower birth rate (either people stuck in tiny flats or simply can't afford bairns) and less money going into the local shops, restaurants, etc.

We need a correction and I join ccc in feeling smug that I have rented and saved and am ready with a deposit to get a suitable place I can grow into for a reasonable price if I so choose.
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techpunk,

17/06/2008 20:46:34
as far as i remember things, edinburgh held out pretty well in the 90s crash. i think prices stagnated for a period of a few years and there wasn't much movement, but thats about it.....could be wrong though, but that is how it was for my own transactions.

we are now 15 years down the line, and edinburgh has so much more going for it. i'm confident we will hold out again. people will continue to want to buy in to edinburgh is my feeling.

what nobody has commented on is the possibility that what we are seeing here is actually a transition towards increased rental market up take, and rented property becoming the norm, as we see in many of the european markets.

ownership may become exclusive to those who are already within the ownership market, or those wealthy enough to enter it.

could happen.
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ccc,

17/06/2008 20:50:30
#101

"I only have some sympathy for the last group as they are likely to be first time buyers who may have received poor advice"