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War of independence won with Labour loss



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Published Date: 30 July 2008
IF ever proof is needed of the truth of Harold Wilson's dictum that a week is a long time in politics, students of the black arts could do worse than cite the events of the last week in Scotland. This time last week, Labour was still seen as the natural party of government in Scotland. OK, the SNP sits in the Government's seats in Holyrood, but Labour was still seen as the A-team, capable of re-establishing its pole position.
A mere seven days and an SNP majority of 365 later, and the landscape is completely different. Take a turn down the streets pounded by balloon-wielding party activists last Wednesday and you'll wonder why the SNP didn't call for a re-count instead of
Labour. I'd bet my bottom dollar you won't meet too many people who'll admit to voting Labour last week.

Labour lost because of a multitude of factors, but they all really only added up to the harsh reality of the party being past its sell-by date, out of puff and new ideas for coping with the global economic turndown. The sort of people who would once have trusted "their" Labour party to do the right thing by them, even if the evidence of this actually happening is patchy, to be super-diplomatic, in the East End of Glasgow, have developed the same sort of shrewdness towards the promises made by Labour, and other politicians, as they deploy in purchasing other goods and services.

And even those who couldn't break the habit of their parents' lifetime, a week and millions of words later, are going with the tide and enjoying the excitement, and hope, engendered by John Mason's win. The party they left behind has been exposed as a shell of what it once was: no organisation, precious few members, confused policies and beliefs, marooned on either side of the debate over the future of Holyrood, no strategy, no money and no chance of being on the winning side in the next UK election, whenever it comes.

The Lib Dems look more vulnerable to a three-way squeeze in Scotland than they did a week ago. Their prospects probably depend on whether their choice of leader, Tavish Scott or Ross Finnie, seeks an arrangement with the SNP in Holyrood ... and whether Alex Salmond is wise enough to say no.

The Tories, too, are in a different place from last Wednesday. They were never in danger of winning the seat then, and they aren't now, but elsewhere in Scotland they're being looked on more kindly than for a couple of decades. This, still-fragile, new relationship with Scots voters might not win them many seats in the Westminster elections, but I'd bet on their winning a lot more votes in the next Holyrood elections ... provided they don't wrap themselves in the Union Jack.

As for the SNP, the danger lies in its possible under-estimation and misunderstanding of the difference this week has made. John Mason was portrayed by Labour, unremittingly, as an unreconstructed, hardline, fundamentalist ... and people voted for him. Margaret Curran told anyone who'd listen that "Independence would be disastrous for Scotland" ... and people voted for the SNP, the party of Independence.

It should be obvious to the SNP movers that they need not shake in their boots at taking an Independence Information Campaign to voters, starting as soon as the material is prepared ... the last week's phone-ins, letters pages, blogs, etc, show voters to be amenable to considering the constitutional question on its merits.

And although the last week has simply underlined the likelihood of the Tories winning the general election in England, the SNP lame-brains who're reported to have had discussions with them on being granted some more devolved powers for Holyrood must be stopped from snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Olympic struggles
What can we do to get the message to the Chinese authorities that in spite of the nations of the world sending their athletes to Beijing, they should not interpret this as signalling approval, or even acquiescence, regarding their human rights, torture and censorship policies?

The Beijing government has already made plain that normal procedure will be followed by the police, etc, should any athletes or team officials protest, even in the same silent way as the "Black Power" American sprinters at the Mexico games.

Although we might regret that more athletes have not voiced support for greater human rights, we cannot expect them to put themselves in the firing line when, as a community, we've fallen short of saying what should have been said, long before the Opening Ceremony.





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  • Last Updated: 30 July 2008 11:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Margo MacDonald
 
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livilion,

livingston 30/07/2008 12:12:15
If Scottish voters still recoil at the notion of electing tories to Westminster and Labour's Thatcherite dalliance as 'New' Labour is clearly seen to be a busted flush, even in Glasgow where all was gorgiven up 'till now to keep the Conservatives out of Downing Street except on invitations to tea, what price Alex Salmond ever having to hold his independence referendum?

If the SNP wins the majority of Scottish seats, let alone the twenty Salmond is targetting, won't that present the Scottish nationalists with their mandate to begin negotiations, do not pass go, procede straight to independence?

btw Where does devolution end and independence begin?

Most folk(in Scotland) I'm given to understand are happy to cede more powers to the Holyrood parliament to a greater or lesser degree, but if the Scotsman and it's ilk are to be believed(!) we equally don't want 'separation'; with borderposts to prevent Anglophillic relations communing with those back in Scotland, and vice versa, funny money, and refugee employers escaping down the M74 to flee an independent Scottish administration.

Separation is being used as the Bogieman but what do those who are using the term actually mean by it, and does that stand up to scrutiny?

#1 Glasgow Jim
Sick and absolutely unfunny!
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Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 15:03:33
#2

The differences may indeed be small, but the devil is in the detail.

Post independence, the chances are that, during my frequent trips down south (both business and personal), it is very likely that I will have to:

- Change my currency (which has costs)

- Incur additional cash machine charges
(as there's no guarantee that the "Link" network will continue)

- Incur mobile phone roaming charges
(as there's no guarantee that the current networks will still function as single units, across the border)

- Incurr additional costs when I phone home

...etc. (for starters)

Now, these will seem trivial, but these are things that matter to ordinary people, on a day-to-day level.

Whilst these are the type of things (the last 3, at any rate) that the EU is looking to harmonise, they aren't there yet and don't look like being so anytime soon.

So, the bottom line is, I suspect that independence will leave me out of pocket.

It's for these "little", everday, mundane reasons, that I will only be happy to support independence fully, once there's a fully-functional, democratic EU Federation in existence (that will have resolved these issue), when Scotland can take its place as an independent state within that Federation.

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Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 30/07/2008 15:38:56
3 Irn-Bruce... Bruce, no need to wait. There is no fully-functional, democratic Britain in existence... never mind the EU. The UK is a monarchy not a democracy. Mr Blair against the wishes of 70% of the UK population went to war based on a tissue of lie and you can now be locked up by the cops for 42 days without charge or trial. As far as bank machines go... my bank (RBS) has more branches in England than in Scotland. Mobile phone companies are not captive of governments and can and do operate trans-border quite easily and phone charges have been for some years priced for multi-national markets.

So there you go... there's little risk of even minor inconvenience. Try voting for the SNP. You'll feel much better about yourself .
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livilion,

livingston 30/07/2008 21:38:19
#3 Irn?-Bruce,Edinburgh

So its down to swopping your Scottish tenners for Bank of England ones when we venture into England, no much change there then?

When its all sliced and diced, to you your country is only worth less than the price of a phone call?

My advice chum, forget it, when the votes are cast you just stay at home, the money you save on petrol should pay for the phone.

Can you picture Churchill before the Battle of Britain jotting down the price of Spitfires and bullets before taking on the Luftwaffe?

Anyone who has to ask how much is Scotland worth before he'll vote for it, in my book, is unworthy of the honour.


Irn Bruce? more like durty semmit.
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livilion,

livingston 30/07/2008 21:43:38
#3 Irn?-Bruce,Edinburgh
btw I take it you never leave the shores of the UK, otherwise however do you manage?
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Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 08:53:32
#4, #5 and #6 - Thank you for your reponses...


#4 - Do RBS and HBoS _GUARANTEE_ to maintain their ATM networks, post independence? Also, currently, I can use pretty much _ANY_ ATM down south now. Why should I have to hunt around for specific ones, post independence?

I suspect that the corporate world (banks, telecoms, insurance, utilities, transport...the whole lot of them) will look for any excuse to screw people over, with additional "admin charges".


#5 - My understanding is that, post-independence, Scotland will join the Euro. England/Wales/NI have no plans to do so.

As far as "countries" go, I just feel that the concept of individual sovereign states is getting more and more out-dated. I'd love to live in a borderless world in which, whilst regional identity should be _HUGELY_ important, there should be as fewer hinderences as possible to freedom of movement, work, retirement...etc.

In my view, Nationalism is past it's sell-by date.

Give me regional autonomy and identity, in a more unified "bigger picture" any day!

And, as for trying to relate the current political climate to a war is, frankly, pretty low!


#6 - I manage fine, thank you. My point is that, currently, even going to other EU countries (the RoI is the best example), whilst easy, still involves more complications than going down south.

I'd rather those complications didn't exist anywhere, so I'd prefer not to recreate them arbitrarily when staying on the island of Britain.



Sheesh guys, I know that the Independence debate is an emotive topic, which is why I'm trying to be objective about it!

I'm most definitely, proudly and confidently Scottish now. Independence won't alter that one bit.

It sounds like you have the identity issues and "small" outlooks to me!
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livilion,

livingston 01/08/2008 10:38:46
#7 Irn-Bruce,Edinburgh

Small outlook?
Aren't you the one who puts the the imagined possibility of an extra charge for using RBS ATMs and roaming charges for your cellphone outwith an independent Scotland as your argument against Scots running their own country?

If it was just down to finances wouldn't we be better off becoming a state the USA? Come to think of it, surely the Canadians and Mexicans are missing out there.

The poor Irish, however have they coped with cellphone roaming and ATM charges now they no longer have the benefit of being run by Whitehall? When you are in Dublin do you get many folk complaining that they'd be better off rejoining the UK?

Given your position on getting rid of borders, perhaps you should be considering loosening dependence on the post-Empire London Establishment and joining the Irish in fully embracing the European opportunity?

 

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