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Published Date: 19 March 2008
DO you know the difference between a constituency MSP and others variously described as list, regional or regional list MSPs? If you live in Midlothian, West Lothian or Edinburgh, you live in the Lothians regional constituency. If you've a complaint against your local council's housing policy as it affects your family, to whom or to what agency do you go for information, advice and maybe some representation on your behalf?
Let's suppose you go to one of your MSPs. How do you decide on which one, because you can choose any of the eight MSPs elected as regional list members , or the MSP who represents the constituency in which you live? Before the first elections, the co
mmittee that got the show on the road waxed lyrical about the superior service constituents could expect as a result of the new voter power represented by their having the right to select an MSP.

In theory, constituents could choose on the basis of what they knew of an MSP's track record in fighting the good fight, or of any special expertise acquired before his or her election, his or her membership of a political party, or even his or her big blue eyes. In practice, most people choose the MSP they've heard of, either from friends, or from his/her exposure in the press or TV. One thing I'm pretty certain does not influence them in their choice is the route by which their chosen one was elected.

But the committee appointed to overhaul the parliamentary allowances concluded that constituency MSPs have a much bigger caseload and are therefore deserving of a bigger allowance for staff wages and office equipment. The committee didn't produce any figures or facts to back their recommendations, only some anecdotal evidence of casework done in the offices of a couple of constituency MSPs, both elected in 1999, with the scars and the backlog of cases to show for it, and the work undertaken by a rookie regional list MSP, who's still building his contacts and profile in his area.

So the independent committee has recommended that regional MSPs need fewer staff and less office equipment, thus dividing us into sheep and goats. Honourably, one member of the committee dissented from the report's recommendations. James Douglas-Hamilton, former MP for Edinburgh West and former regional list MSP for Lothian, is the only committee member with the experience of having been elected.

But his refusal to endorse the report hasn't prevented the proposal that staff working for the sheep MSPs should be paid in line with equivalent jobs in the civil service or parliament itself, and those doing the same work, to the same standard, for the goats, should be paid buttons.

I can't imagine anything more likely to de-motivate and divide a workforce.

But this craziness has been visited upon us because of the need to reform how accommodation allowances are paid to MSPs who live at too great a distance to go home after a hard day's wheeling and dealing at Holyrood. Public opinion is unanimous – MSPs shouldn't use this allowance for part-payment of a mortgage that can give them the means to make a tidy profit from the sale of the house or flat part-bought with public money.

That's a sound enough principle, but the way the independent committee recommended it should be applied smacks of overkill. The committee's report said nobody should buy, and that only rental costs or hotel bills would be met by the parliament.

A much simpler way would be for MSPs, living at an agreed distance from Edinburgh, to be paid a flat allowance of three nights' accommodation that they could spend as they chose, and if they chose to use this allowance to part-buy, they could pay to the parliament an agreed percentage of any profit made on the sale of their property.

This last idea could probably become reality very quickly, but we need to build up a picture of how different MSPs work, and evaluate their workload by establishing what is work of equal importance and value, and that will take a bit longer. In the meantime, just choose whichever MSP appeals most, or appalls least.

China crisis
I think Tavish Scott is right to say that education secretary Fiona Hyslop should call-off her fact-finding visit to China. Perhaps such a gesture on our part, as a small country that is probably only vaguely recognised, if at all, by the leadership in Beijing, will have no immediate effect as regards the present brutality towards Tibetans. But no self-resting country that acknowledges human rights will be visiting China and turning a blind eye to the present situation.

If Scotland was sitting as an independent member of the UN, would the Scottish Government still think it OK to visit China?

Plucky trite Heather
My first reaction to Heather Mills' divorce settlement was one of disgust. My second was to think I could put up with a grumpy old man for a couple of years for that sort of money.

My third thought was to hope £24 million would be enough to cocoon her and her daughter from the social isolation invited by her uncontrolled bad behaviour.

It took guts to take on an icon, but that doesn't make her a nice person.





The full article contains 893 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 March 2008 9:52 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Margo MacDonald
 
1

NorT,

Edinburgh 19/03/2008 12:58:08
An MSP is an MSP no matter whether they are a constituency or a regional one. This arrangement gives us a great choice depending on our politics and if a complicated case then it may be that a regional MSP may have more time to pursue it. It could be said that a regional MSP is the harder working of the two types.To treat them differently is discrimination and removing choice from the voter. I know who I would prefer to pursue my cases and that would not necessarily be by constituency MSP.
2

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 19/03/2008 13:34:03
Normally I find the idea of these List MSPs absolutely abhorrent as they are party hacks chosen by the apparatchiks of Labour, SNP, Liberal, and Tory parties. I'll make an exception for Margo however being an independent in more ways than one.
3

morris,

edinburgh 19/03/2008 14:09:26
There is no difference.Each has been elected upon the strength of support for a given party in a given seat or a given party in a given region. The candidate who finished FPTP eg Wendy Alexander who may find that Paisley is not as daft as she clearly thinks it is,and vote her into fourth place.She would then be grateful to be elected under the list system,and if she was not to be recognised as a legitimately elected member with full entitlement,then whats the point in having PR?
Anybody who argues against this, acts from perceived self interest only, and has not thought this out, because the tables will be turned sooner or later(as some Labour hopefuls have already found to their cost),and all they display is yet another reason why they should not have been on the list to begin with,or anywhere near it!

Without the list there would be no PR on our councils (unless of course we adopted STV which is a far more sensible system). The parties are far more concerned with keeping their gravy train ambitions alive and their party involved than good governance.
As for 2 above ,the elected member was chosen by a party consituency association, and has to be a member of that party to stand under a party ticket,so are you suggesting we keep Margo (who is retiring) and get rid of the rest? Its not going to be much of a parliament!
4

ed.,

in edin 19/03/2008 14:30:13
<< you can choose any of the eight MSPs elected as regional list members , or the MSP who represents the constituency in which you live? >>

I thought there were only seven list MSPs - have you got another one hidden away somewhere, Margo?

I also thought list MSPs were supposed to inform constituency MSPs of any cases they were handling in their constituencies. So either constituency MSPs have a very good idea of how little or how much is done by list members, or list members are not even keeping them informed as they should.

Another clue might be that list MSPs seem to have more time to hang around the media and write Scotsman columns.
5

No Knothing,

19/03/2008 14:35:35
3 morris

Fiona Hyslop ran as a list & a constituency MSP. She failed in the local constituency, but was elected because she was a party favourite, and therefore top of the regional SNP list. I don't think she would work any more or less had she been a constituency MP.

"STV which is a far more sensible system" I couldn't agree more. The list serves party favourites more than the electorate. With 3-4 seat constituencies under STV, there is at least some proportionality, and the playing field is level for those who perform best in the eyes of their constituents.

6

lord john,

borders 19/03/2008 14:49:21
What is considered too great a distance to go home for msps.? Many people travel a great distance commuting to and from work and are not paid for it. Some msps have claimed travel expenses when they shouldn't have.
Why three nights nights accommodation allowance which could be around another £6000 a year to pocket ?
7

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 19/03/2008 15:07:59
The main difference is that while the Constituency MSPs are busy with their constituent caseloads, the list MSPs - having virtually no such caseload and no direct responsibility to any voter - can use their time and resources to run a four year re-election campaign which starts the day they take up office.

High time we got rid of the Assisted Places scheme where every loser wins, and had a single-tier system of one type or the other - either all FPTP or all PR.

Can't say that one system is fairer than the other, btw, they are just different. Both have pluses and minuses, and both are open to manipulation and abuse, as May 2007 clearly showed. Parties tend act out of self interest and to favour the system which they reckon will give them more seats, voters tend to vote differently according to which system is in use.
8

No Knothing,

19/03/2008 16:48:37
7 Genghis McCann

Got to disagree on the comparison. PR (STV) is fairer in that it gives increased representation broadly proportionate to the support that the candidates/parties receive.

This is important, as it avoids governments getting a majority of seats with only, say, 40% of the vote (or less) - quite disproportionate to the support they receive. This is what gave us unfettered tory & labour government for so many years.
9

Richardinho,

19/03/2008 22:31:47
SNP list members are not appointed by the party leaders-they are elected onto the list by party members.

This is simply another Labour motivated scheme to cram extra money into their MSPs pockets. It was Labour who came up with the list member system, so I don't know why they're complaining about it now. MSPs must have equal status otherwise it makes a mockery of our democracy.
10

No Knothing,

20/03/2008 00:16:52
9 Richardinho

I would imagine all parties elect their list members, rather than appoint them (do you know of any that don't?). When I said "party favourites" I assumed that was the case, but happy to be informed.

"MSPs must have equal status" yep!
11

Arthur X,

20/03/2008 08:32:37
This does indeed look like an effort by Labour constituency MSPs to divert money to them and away from the SNP, the Tories and the Greens in particular. Shenanigans!
12

The Phantommmmm,

20/03/2008 10:51:15
Well, actually, my area in Edinburgh seems to be served by a representative of each of the four main parties (I think that's in the council) and I think it's that Liberal whose sons were caught with illegal drugs and used to run about the back gardens like banshees (I think they've grown up a wee bit and are probably hoping to follow daddy into 'representing the people' now i.e. getting free lunches and DRIVING around the corner to Waitrose to purchase that ever so cumbersome item, a newspaper) and I think it's still that Nigel-caught-fiddling-the-expenses who represents us in the real parliment but I'm not entirely sure. With all this representation you'd think we'd be absolutely fantastically served, wouldn't you? However, I have never seen the area as strewn with litter in my life, since the recycling bins were introduced at the end of my street (it's always someone elses job to clear it away, isn't it?) You're made to feel like a leper if you expect a carrier bag in certain supermarkets (either you get them when you buy goods and gather rubbish in them to put into your wheelie bin or you buy the things separately, and gather rubbish in them to put into your wheelie bin - Now, which option brings in more cash for that supermarket? Oooh, I wonder...) and the proliferation of graffitti is very disheartening to live amongst. The council were supposed to have some sort of rolling programme of cleaning that up but have, it would seem, wandered off and left us to it. I have always voted, in every election since I came of age, but I am seriously wondering what the point is now. If I vote and they all get in anyway, what exactly IS the point?

 

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