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Irish sunk elite EU power-grab



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Published Date: 18 June 2008
IT was breathtaking ... to hear politicians from David Miliband, the next Labour leader we are told, to the former Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Barroso, who was lucky enough to be appointed President of the EU Commission before he was run out of Lisbon, saying that we shouldn't consider the Treaty of Lisbon to be dead in the water, even though the decisive "NO" vote by the Irish people in last Thursday's referendum has left the power-grab by the EU elite at the bottom of
Jim Murphy, whom it's a fair bet you didn't know was the Minister for Europe, pontificated on the "need to respect Ireland's decision" and the "need for the House of Lords to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon", in spite of the Treaty's own requirement to h
ave every member state endorse it before it becomes legal, and therefore before any of its provisions can be put into effect.

Mr Murphy's high-handed pomposity was typical of the comments made by other EU ministers. The French foreign minister blatantly ignored the undemocratic nature of carrying on regardless as she, and the others, tried to punt the big lie ... that Irish people were the only EU citizens to reject the re-wrapped constitution voted down a couple of years ago by the French and the Dutch.

There are still eight countries that haven't decided on whether to endorse the Treaty. The UK Government has reneged on its promised referendum on the Lisbon Treaty; most people believe the reason is that Gordon Brown knows the UK would have voted as the Irish.

But once again, there's an arrogant assumption that the EU elite know better than we do about what's good for us, with Westminster ministers saying that the Irish have made a mess of things, so they'll just have to find a way of changing the opinion democratically expressed by the majority. Wouldn't it show more respect for the people of Europe for them to remember that the Irish are the only ones who've been able to express what opinion polls suggest is the majority view in the Czech Republic, Poland, Sweden, Netherlands and perhaps even Spain, and possibly France?

One of the reasons for Ireland's "NO" to the Lisbon Treaty was the proposed loss of a commissioner, nominated by the Republic's government. With the expansion of the EU to include the former Soviet Bloc states, smaller states were to lose their commissioners, resulting in the big two, Germany and France, having power centralised in their representatives' hands in Brussels.

Should Scotland achieve membership as a sovereign nation, we'd be in the same boat as the Irish, even though Scotland would be a net contributor to EU finances and would be the only member state with major oil deposits.

The centralising instincts of the elite political class intent on building a federal union to rival the United States are more likely to fracture the unity of purpose that exists amongst Europe's peoples in specific policy areas like the environment, and organised, international crime.

The Euro-nuts want an EU foreign minister. Why? To impose an entirely false common attitude and policy on 27 very different countries moulded by their differing experiences of war and peace. In our own case, together with Ireland, our traditional ties, trade and cultural, have been transatlantic, whereas Germany has always looked east, for example.

And why do we need to have a full-time President with the same status as democratically-elected Prime Ministers, instead of sharing the Presidency? The federalists know that if the EU becomes a legal entity and not an agreement amongst sovereign states as at present, it will have much more power than democratically-elected national parliaments.

Democrats in Ireland said "NO"... so should we.

Thatch enough
A friend, one of my non-political pals, asked why there was so much interest in Margaret Thatcher when she was long gone from Downing Street. Why indeed, when the 30th anniversary of her world-shaking win doesn't come round till next year.

The timing of the TV programmes is explained by the cut-throat competition to get stories on screen first, but, of course, the reason for telly's interest is the social and industrial revolution she achieved through her own determination, clear focus and the backing of a small number of eggheads like Keith Joseph or salesmen capable of selling snow to Eskimos, like the Saatchi brothers.

She was original, and brave ... and she ruined the lives of thousands of people.

Kids are alright
I attended the Evening of Celebration at Craigmount School last week. Much is said about young people's bad behaviour and legislation is being introduced to deal with their abuse of alcohol, etc.

But we should remember most young people are like the high achievers and kids who just try their best whom I had the pleasure of meeting.





The full article contains 818 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 June 2008 8:28 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Margo MacDonald
 
1

Alan B,

18/06/2008 10:04:03
Agree with Margo about the arrogance of certain political leaders.

However think she wrong regarding the devolopment of a common EU foreign policy.

As many eastern european countries pointed out in regard to iraq, the EU did not have any alternative to support.

While the EU should stop interfering in certain issues and enusre it is run in a very decentralised way, developing a common EU foreign policy is important. The EU together is a huge trading block and will have huge political influence.

It should use this power to try to respond to some of the worlds problems and try to sort issues before they decend to chaos.

The EU needs to take a common approach to helping the Balkins. Developing good relations and strenthening the economies of its neighbours. First to the East.

Aswell as to the south along north africa. In this area the EU could use its influence to encourage issues from democracy, human rights and richer economies from morroco to egypt. (ie Algeria, Lybia etc).

If the EU grants turkish membership then it will have borders with countries like syria, iran and iraq. The eu could have a great influence in stabilising these countries and building constructive relationships.

Lastly, one of the big problem areas in the world is the palestinian /israel problem. Rather than allowing the US to stifle any deal with its pro israel policies, the eu should take a much fairer line and get a deal sorted out.
2

Dominic, London,

18/06/2008 10:17:20
If out of solidarity with the Irish people and concern for the future of democracy in this country you wish to send a message to Gordon Brown asking him to stop the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, you can sign the petition on the Downing Street website:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Abandon-Lisbon/
3

Whoppitt,

18/06/2008 11:43:51
Perhaps Margo with her experience might like to explain to us how she thinks the SNP might try to justify replacing union with the other England, Wales and NI with union with the EU.
4

Scotish Exile,

18/06/2008 12:25:43
Margo should do her research more thoroughly, one of the main reasons that the Irish voted "no" is that they are fed up with the in flux of eastern europeans into their country, not losing a commissioner.
5

John south of Soutra,

18/06/2008 12:32:18
#3 she didn't say anything about justifying any union, she said should scotland achieve membership as a sovereign nation - therein lies the difference - it is not a union of states as in the USA
6

No 42 days,

18/06/2008 12:55:52
Royal Navy warships may form part of EU fleet

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
Last Updated: 10:34AM BST 18/06/2008
Royal Navy vessels could take part in a new “European Union fleet” being planned by France.
7

Whoppitt,

18/06/2008 13:17:38
Number 5

We might be able to join as a Sovereign Nation, but would we remain one? The Lisbon Treaty is as much (or more) about establishing the route and mechanisms to create a Sovereign Europe as it is about improving the current method of administration.

Given that the we can (and regularly do) replace the executive in London, and will not be able to do so with the EU Commission, why would we want to replace London with Brussels?

I note the deafening silence from the SNP on the matter, and would be very interested in Margo's thoughts on the matter as she seems to be the only one of our politicians on repute who has been willing to say it how it is over the Irish vote.
8

Alan B,

18/06/2008 13:46:13
#Scotish Exile

so r u saying the irish no had nothing to do with the treaty. just the decision of the irish government to not impose restrictions on the movement of east europeans in the way other governments did as part of transitional arrangements.

i take it u are living in ireland.
9

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 18/06/2008 13:52:41

It is fine for Margo to give us her observations on this issue but what is needed is politicians of her calibre to come forward with positive ideas as to how to ensure a more democratic Europe.

Sadly the one person who will not be consulted as a result of the Irish vote is Mr Ganley, the inspiration and the money behind his push for a NO result. I hope he has ideas on how to make Europe more democratic and will pursue them actively now that he has momentum on his side. The one thing that is sure is that Ireland's elected politicians don't have a clue where to go from the here and now.

10

Scotish Exile,

18/06/2008 13:54:15
#8

first question - it is generally acknowledged that immigration was a large part of the decision, as was the fact that their version of the PM had to admit that he had not read all of the treaty and therefore could not explain what it meant to Ireland.

second question - no, but very close!
11

Alan B,

18/06/2008 14:09:20
#10

I just asked because from what i have seen in the media over here, it was worries over irish neutrality, eu control over taxation ie harmonisations and issues like abortion, that cause people most concerns.
12

Scotish Exile,

18/06/2008 15:36:45
#11

You are correct about the abortion issue, but as far as I have read and seen its the day to day "practical" issues if I can call them that, which have dictated the voting pattern.

The Irish have used the "system" well to massively upgrade their infrastructure and have grabbed EU money with relish, but to my eyes they are not blinded by this investment, and all credit to them.

13

leithlink,

18/06/2008 15:37:50
"She was original, and brave ... and she ruined the lives of thousands of people."
I can think of another bigmouth female politician whose name begins with M who did exactly the same to the citizens of Leith with her Prostitutes Tolerance Zone........ and you did, Margo.
14

Allan(handofgod137),

18/06/2008 16:34:09
Margo, Margaret Thatcher improved the lives of tens of thousands of people!
15

Mikey,

18/06/2008 17:01:48
Allan, and ruined the lives of tens of millions!
16

Mikey,

18/06/2008 17:07:41
It'll be interesting when we eventually get independence, to see exactly how the EU question will be deabted. Do we join and risk our fisheries being closed to us and various other problems? Do we seek to make our own way in the world, or do we adopt the Norwegian way?

Personally, I'm in favour of the latter and I'd hope to see the three option on the referendum paper.
17

JML,

18/06/2008 17:25:49
#12 The Irish may have grabbed the money with relish, as you put it, but they've also given it back. While France and Germany (the two fat cats of the EU) refuse to allow the Polish to work legally, the Irish have welcomed them with open arms. They've given the Eastern European community a roof over their heads, money and jobs. It's been calculated that they've paid these workers 7.5bn euro a year over the last 5 years. Personally I think the debt is repaid.

The Irish voted No because they want to keep their own constitution and a democracy. If they join they lose that. The French are already trying to ignore the vote and are attempting to go forward with the Treaty anyway. The whole world knows that legally it can't be done but who's paying attention? If they join, do you think they'd give a cr*p about any small member state's opinion???

In an EU shouting match, he who shouts loudest gets heard - I'd lay money it'd be France or Germany and the wee states won't even register as a whisper.
18

No 42 days,

18/06/2008 19:41:22
Farage blasts 'dangerous EU nationalists'
Wednesday, 18 June 2008
UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage MEP has accused the European Union elite of pursuing "EU nationalism – the most dangerous political phenomenon to have swept Europe since 1945." He was responding to Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso's refusal to accept Irish voters' rejection of the Lisbon Treaty.

Speaking in the European Parliament, Mr Farage declared: "Nobody else has said it, but I will: well done the Irish.

"And yet, before the official result was out, there was Mr Barroso, holding a press conference in Brussels, looking as shifty and as dishonest as anybody I have ever seen, saying – despite what the rules of the club are – that the treaty is not dead and we continue.

"Frankly, it was a disgusting display; it was an insult to democracy. It is perfectly clear that the ratifications should stop now and the implementation of the treaty should stop now.

"I used to think, after the French and Dutch results, that you were in denial, but now I realise that what is behind this is a new phenomenon: it is EU nationalism, and it is the most dangerous political phenomenon to have swept Europe since 1945.

"You ignore the voters, you are destroying democracy, and you have shown that you will stop at nothing. Well, ask yourself: why are the politicians, why is this class, now unpopular? Well, later on today, Mr Barroso, this House will be voting for a new Justice Commissioner, and it is likely that a former convicted fraudster will, after today, be the Justice Commissioner for the European Union.

"In fact you do not need the UK Independence Party. You are destroying the European Union in the eyes of the voters. Well done, everybody."

19

Evia,

18/06/2008 20:26:29
If this Treaty is ratified, and the various leaders are determined to wind a way round things, we will become just regions of Europe, with our country split as in this map,

strangemaps.wordpress.com/
Then scroll to 267
This shows how Great Britain will be carved up. Do you want your address to be an Area in a Region of Europe – no more UK or GB?
Now scroll to 286 for New World Order

www.stopcp.com/index.php
Stop common Purpose

uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/2082826/6539269
Ashley Mote MEP - We Must Not Ratify The Lisbon Treaty You can get a copy of Ashley's 46 page booklet free from his web site. This is written in plain English.

uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/1381777
UKIP No Knowlege Education EU Corporations Marxism in Classrooms Francis Howard. Parents should watch this and it would also show others why our children are so poorly educated.

20

Evia,

19/06/2008 00:07:41
I see that we are not allowed to comment on Britain's ratification of the Lisbon treaty.

Brown is a dictator and a traitor to the British People. He has sold us down the river. He never had any intention of allowing us a referendum so that was another of his many lies.

stopblair.eu/indexen.html
Sign here to try to stop Blair becoming President of the EU.

www.gopetition.com/petitions/gordon-brown-resign.html

21

FrancesP,

19/06/2008 00:53:54
Margo's article gives the inaccurate impression that only smaller countries were to lose the automatic right to a commissioner - in fact, all 27 countries would have been in the same boat on that score. There may of course be plenty of other reasons to dislike the treaty, but I don't know because I'm as baffled by it as anyone.

 

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