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Published Date: 04 December 2008
BUS passengers are facing another hike in fares next month as Lothian Buses seeks to tackle falling profits.
The council-owned firm has already announced cuts to several services in the Capital, as it attempts to balance the books amid high fuel costs and declining ticket revenues.

The company said it will increase fares "across the board", rather than simply raising the cost of adult singles, as it did in April, when fares went up from £1 to £1.10. The increases are expected to come into force on January 18, the same day as a series of cuts are made to services. Drivers have speculated that the cost of a single ticket could be set to rise to £1.30, but the firm insists it is still working out what the increase will be.

Lothian Buses has been hit hard by the economic downturn and the effects of falling passenger numbers caused by the tram works.

And the outlook for the ailing firm is set to worsen after it emerged the Scottish Government is unlikely to adopt measures laid out in Chancellor Alastair Darling's pre-Budget report, which would have seen a reduction in fuel duties paid by bus firms.

Ian Craig, Lothian Buses' managing director, said: "I can confirm that bus fares will be going up early in the new year – the same time we will be making changes to our services.The fares increase will be across all ticketing types, but we are confident they will still remain as some of the lowest bus fares in the UK."

Councillor Ian Perry, Labour's city transport spokesman, said the company needed more financial support from the city council. He said: "The council needs to take an overall strategic view of bus route closures and any price increases."

Last month Lothian Buses blamed "city-wide" roadworks and the economic downturn for a series of fresh cuts to services. Five more routes were withdrawn or cut back, with frequency reduced on nine more services. The news followed thedecision to cut 11 routes in October.

Passenger numbers and are down seven per cent on last year. The firm has also faced a steep rise in employment costs of £2.7 million, due to the need for more drivers for the extra buses it needs for the tram diversions.


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  • Last Updated: 04 December 2008 11:05 AM
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1

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04/12/2008 11:49:53
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2

allknowing,

04/12/2008 11:56:12
Fuel costs are dropping!!!!

Good, imagine having to pay more for this sorry excuse of a service.

Pay more to stand at a bus stop in the rain.

Pay more to wiat for a late bus

Pay more to be coughed on and have to put up with the antisocial behaviour of other passengers

Pay more to put up with bus drivers.

pay more to get from a-b slower than almost any other form of transport.

Great deal!
3

Grumpy,

04/12/2008 11:57:20
"Lothian Buses has been hit hard by the economic downturn and the effects of falling passenger numbers caused by the tram works"

By inference, then, we can expect further increases when the trams start and passengers move off the buses on to the trams.

Why oh why can't they introduce a split fare - say 75p for up to 8 stops then full rate after that. To go one stop for £1.30 is ridiculous especially when you've had to stand and wait 30 minutes for the bus in the first place.
4

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 04/12/2008 12:00:06
So why is the Government not intending to adopt the measures that would see bus firms pay less in fuel duties?
5

Liz,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:01:27
Bit of a catch 22 situation here, put prices up too much and it is likely passenger numbers will drop even further.

I am getting the bus less now. Partly due to the cost and partly to do with the road works that meant that either the route was always diverted (particularily a problem when trying to find the neccesary stop in the centre of town for routes that had been diverted) or the journey was mind numbingly slow.
6

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:04:07
#55

No, a catch 22 situation is when you're at the bus stop at Ocean Terminal.
7

tumshie heid,

04/12/2008 12:04:28
Another casualty of the great trams. These damned things are ruining peoples lives in lost business and now they are helping to degenerate Edinburghs bus service.
How much will it cost to get on a bus by the time the trinset is finished?
8

SDRAWKCAB,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:04:39
Fuel costs? fuel is getting cheaper by the day!

the reason they are getting less passengers is due to the price hikes. Are they stupid?

I hate LRT.
9

tumshie heid,

04/12/2008 12:05:25
trainset
10

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:05:56
#2

You are a dafty. Belt up.
11

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:07:21
I seen Rosa Parks on the bus yesterday. And Jim Morrison.
12

Lothian Buses Driver,

Port Seton 04/12/2008 12:07:30
Ever been to Leeds? £1.60 togo one stop and day ticket £7. weekly ticket £26. Very few buses at night and weekends. Stop moaning. Its a good cheap service. You have buses xmas eve, xmas day, new years eve and new years day. £1.30 single, peanuts. £3 day ticket, fantastic value.
13

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:08:05
#2

No, seriously, belt up. You're a wally.
14

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:08:54
#12

Agreed, but bear in mind Leeds metropolitan area is much bigger than Edinburgh.

Eeh bah goom.
15

daddybear,

04/12/2008 12:09:05
and the day ticket is going up to £3
16

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:11:19
One day everything will be a hundred times more expensive than it is now:

Poundland will be £100 Land

Bus fare will be £130 single fare.

I estimate this will happen by 2036
17

Steven P,

edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:11:45
While every other business is cutting prices, LRT are going to try and buck the trend.
Perhaps its time for Mr Craig to push his well-salaried butt out the same door as fat-cat Renilson.
18

craig7653,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:12:05
Couldn't agree more #12#. I don't use my car very often. The buses are great and cheap. Some of the other passengers are not the best, but thats public transport. Long Live Lothian Buses. You drivers are doing a bad job very well. Many Thanks.
19

tumshie heid,

04/12/2008 12:13:23
It would make more sense to buy a moped and pay about £5 per week in fuel than £3 a day on day tickets. At least you have flexibility.
20

allknowing,

04/12/2008 12:15:01
'13 why??? is that the sum total of your debating skills!!! Mmm.. your why i dont use public transport. Go on, away and play with the buses.
21

Pacob75,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:16:00
You folks aren't happy unless your moaning about something. LB haven't even confirmed how much they will increase by. You'd have a lot more to complain about if there were no buses at all!!!

3 - Why would you pay £1.30 to go just stop? If ye dinnae like it then walk....easy.
22

allknowing,

04/12/2008 12:16:16
#20 excellent idea. But i would go further, and just dont allow them to travel.

Get on board bus, enter postcode. If it matches one on the nedabase, then no travel.
23

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:18:52
#23

No, seriously, belt up. The only debating you do is mass debating.
24

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:20:01



Anyone here ever listen to the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2?

A succession of ill-informed moaners debate the issue of the day. It's like allknowing and Gorgie T are stuck in the radio.
25

hibbywul,

04/12/2008 12:22:42
My annual bus pass expires 16 January, I will renew on 17th and get it at current rates.
26

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:24:01
This is certainly not an ideal situation - the Council should return some of the money paid to it in the good years, and the Scottish Government needs to increase its fuel duty rebate in line with that made in England (ideally to 100% as they used to get).
Furthermore, I know this doesn't suit this newspaper's agenda, but not all of the roadworks in the city are caused by tramworks (e.g. Portobello).
Finally, at least Lothian Buses are honest in calling it an increase, most other companies - particularly the worst ones i.e. First and Arriva, would call it a "fare revision". Bus fares only ever go one way in the UK, because of lack of support from councils and government - each passing the buck to the other and nobody having a strategic plan (outside of London, which with Boris Johnson's TfL cuts is looking less positive by the day).
27

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04/12/2008 12:25:17
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Bob 2,

04/12/2008 12:25:57
And the outlook for the ailing firm is set to worsen after it emerged the Scottish Government is unlikely to adopt measures laid out in Chancellor Alastair Darling's pre-Budget report, which would have seen a reduction in fuel duties paid by bus firms.


Hold on, isn't Fuel Duty and National Taxes a Nationaly Controlled thing by the Treasury?
29

craig7653,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 12:26:24
Yeah belt up allknowing your an idiot. If you don't use buses you don't need to comment on the bus stories. You know nothing.
30

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 12:27:31
I think bus prices are actually very reasonable in edinburgh. 2 pounds 50 (?) to go whereever you need to go for a whole day ?

Its a bargain folks. even at 1.30.

Here , a single journey is around 2 pounds 10.
31

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 12:28:15
12 Totally Agree.
32

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 12:29:50
Lothian Buses are going from bad to worse!....
a 20p increase and they are STILL cutting routes!...LOL
I doubt that a fares in crease will attract anyone to use Lothian buses Failing services....
I stopped using the bus due to the high fares I have used the buses since 1987 I now save over two hours each week on my commute and it does not cost me a fortune on bus fares

Its clear dump the bus and buy a car!....


33

malcyh,

04/12/2008 12:30:22
So the bus company (owned by the Council) is complaining about the road works (Agreed by the council)and the fact they will have to increase fares? Diesel is coming down if I am not mistaken?
The Council appear to be at fault here as they are penalising the passengers for their incompetence all round. Nice to Labour councillor stirring it up, surely we had enough of their nonsense when they controlled the council?
The bus service is still very good compared to other cities
34

big man,

Longstone 04/12/2008 12:38:18
As a Bus Driver with Lothian, i can't see why the people of Edinburgh moan about the price of fares, it's good value for money including daysavers, yes buses might be late, but whose fault is that?, if the tramworks had never started maybe Edinburgh would never be in the mess it is, and to some who say us drivers are grumpy, take a look at yourselves 1st, my pet hate is someone who comes on with a mobile strapped to there ear and put money in the hopper without saying a word, that's what i call total ignorance, we do my job as best as i can, iv'e always been civil when people say £1.10 please, i say thanks, to the people who put money inand just stand there and say nowt, once again there ignorant, but i don't classs everyone in the same boat as others, just the same as we are drivers, civility costs nothing, but at the end of the day if your not happy with what you have, who else will do it, forget about First, just think what other company big enough can handle it, on the whole Edinburgh has a good service, cuts are inevitable. (would you run a company at a loss ?)
35

Son of Gramsci,

Edina 04/12/2008 12:39:10
Save money - ride a bike.

Get you there quicker, too.
36

Brian Ferrari,

04/12/2008 12:40:44
If you're offering a poorer service and your passenger numbers are going down, then shouldn't you be thinking about reducung fares?

You guys at LRT are no very smart, ken?
37

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 12:44:01
28 David harrington is correct - FIRST have fares revisions.

but fare have came down,

Some 22 and a bit years ago a single fare cost me £1, and with a city single just now its still £1.

FIRST have actually REDUCED fares at one point, a single fare to Edinburgh down our way was £1.35, its currently £1.10

Yip the Tram and Road works have certainly cost us.

In terms of Services and Fares.

And a Sharp increase will only make things worse.

Things will only get worse, with 3+ years of TRAMWORKS ahead.

Trams are jsut wonderful, were they not supposed to Improve Public transport?
38

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 12:44:11
#39 the good burghs of this city like a good moan, its not the drivers fault.
39

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:44:21
#35

Well, you only want to share the bus with bovines.

mooooo
40

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:45:31
#35

I think you'll find Allknowing is the subhuman - have you seen his motel?
41

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 12:46:47
#39
sure its fare, so fare I bet you do not use your comapny pass and pay like all the poor mugs on the bus...
yeh sure wake up, if it was good value for money everyone would use the bus, £1.10 to go one stop!... people in town are being robbed to pay for the out of town travellers

42

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:47:09
Detective Arbogast here. What seems to be the problem?
43

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:47:12
Detective Arbogast here. What seems to be the problem?
44

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:47:14
Detective Arbogast here. What seems to be the problem?
45

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 12:48:04
Sorry for triple post - EEN website is gone flaky
46

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 12:50:18
41 Brian Ferrari,04/12/2008 12:40:44
If you're offering a poorer service and your passenger numbers are going down, then shouldn't you be thinking about reducung fares?

You guys at LRT are no very smart,

Brian, read the articles.

Up until the tramworks Lothian Buses had won numerous awards.

a few interesting points about LB

low Fares
24/7 Services
Modern Bus Fleet - investment in new buses every year
Timetables - available locally
bus tracker
CCTV on all buses
local bus shops

unlike some other Local bus companies.
47

Brian Ferrari,

04/12/2008 12:53:09
#54

Key words are UP UNTIL the tramworks
48

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 12:54:20
48 Big bob 79,04/12/2008 12:46:47
#39
sure its fare, so fare I bet you do not use your comapny pass and pay like all the poor mugs on the bus...
yeh sure wake up, if it was good value for money everyone would use the bus, £1.10 to go one stop!... people in town are being robbed to pay for the out of town travellers

What Town Dalkeith, Musselburgh?
49

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 12:55:29
think the bike is looking better every day.
50

BobW,

Not on a bus 04/12/2008 12:55:33
With fuel costs going right down, how can LB justify any more rises. People are avoiding them because they are unreliable, smelly and full of neds. They are also far too expensive. passenger numbers will drop even further in January.
51

Robin Bankes,

Culross 04/12/2008 12:56:27
I frequently park my Lexus at Ingliston and travel to Leith by a bus combination of X48 and 22. Prior to being eligible for a Scottish Concessionary Bus Pass I paid just £2.50 for a day ticket which allowed unlimited travel on the vast bulk of the Lothian Buses route network. Even at £3 or £3.50 this represents fantastic value considering that the network extends eastwards as far as the tent-dwellers of Seton Sands.
The advent of trams will make my journeys to Leith all the more convenient and agreeable.
52

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 12:56:39
56 take your pick
53

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:00:53
59 great tell everyone to sit on a hugh number of buses each day to get their monies worth out of their day ticket, sadly in the REAL world most people want to get to work and home again fast with min fuss. Lothian and the council have clearly forgotten this and seen dead set of punishing commuters for using public transport


54

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 04/12/2008 13:02:49
The increases will still make it good value, but I agree with the aspect of why should someone going 1 stop have to pay the same someone going 20 miles? For those mentioning First, just wait and the fare will increase to whatever Lothian settle on.
55

Fuma Kotaro,

ejinbara 04/12/2008 13:03:23
Neds, bad though they are, aren't the worst thing you find on buses.

5) Jakies that've wet themselves

4) Herds of old wimmin who think they have a God given right to everything, and look at you with obvious hatred.

3) Middle class people's croth fruit being allowed to 'express themselves'

2) The lonely, pasty faced man that sneaks looks at girls breasts and think that no one realises what they're doing.

1) The disgusting, loud mouthed, arrogant, big haired tw@t teenagers, usually from good backgrounds, who think everyone's so impressed by the 'outrageous' ' amount of beer they drank last night and the craaaazy things they get up to. They should know that I'm secretly wishing they would die every moment they are near me.
56

Niko Bellic,

04/12/2008 13:05:30

"The advent of trams"

The advent tram calendar is like a traditional advent calendar but has three major differences outlined below:

1. It costs fifty to one hundred times more.
2. Instead of pictures of magi and mangers, open a door each day to see holes in the road, traffic jams, and millions of pounds being p1shed up against the wall by incompetents.
3.Rather than the traditional 24 door calendar, the advent of the trams calendar has 3, 000 days, but no wee bit of chocolate behind the doors - it would be too heavy.
57

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:10:18
Adult single £1.10 to £1.30
Day ticket to £2.50 to £3.00

This massive hike will drive people off buses for sure, then another hike to cover the losses due falling passenger numbers and the drivers pay rise in march, dark days ahead....
58

Boy Wonder,

04/12/2008 13:11:37
I said no to my daughters because they wanted a trampoline for Christmas. I'll have nothing with those four letters T - R - A - M in my house.

Edinburgh is a no-go area ... and all because the City Council thinks it knows better than the voters! There should have been a public vote on this issue alone ... because its implementation is killing businesses in the city ... and ravaging its own bus service.

Edinburgh is slowly committing suicide!!!
59

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 13:13:41
Where to start..

Edinburgh needs trams , buses and suburban rail before it becomes a viable option to the car.

The buses arent bad, but in most cities buses would be the 2nd choice , if not the 3rd.

The problem we have in edinburgh is that we are just at the very start of any sort of integrated public transport. So , the single tram line MUST be extended after what we have.

Its the standard for just about every growing city in Mainland Europe.

Its a very conservative (with a small c) city , folks. change wont happen quickly.

Your ticket should be interchangeable and last an hour for your 1 pounds 30.

unfortunately a single fare system is in place just about everywhere i can think of, i dont see that changing.

Anyway , thats quite enough about buses.

but you STILL have a very good deal.
60

James Collins,

04/12/2008 13:13:44
Think £2.50-£3.50 is fine for all day with lots of traveling. Would raise it more than 3 x single fee though.

£1.30 is still a bit pricy to get from West end of Princes Street to foot of the walk. Yes I could walk it (and frequently do) but after a gym session or a long day at work it's a bit much. Agree that the old number of stops system was good - was 50p from foot of walk to Waverly only 6 1/2 years ago and I used it a lot more.

And as a Leeds native - please don't compare any decent bus system in the world to that discrace.

LRT (or whatever they are called these days) is good, but could be a lot better.
61

Libra Hibby,

04/12/2008 13:14:23
If, as has been stated by Lothian Buses, it is the tram system that has caused the problems can they tell me why the 15 service will now stop at Eastfield and will not go on through Musselburgh to Tranent. The people of East Lothian are to bare the hardship caused by an Edinburgh problem.
62

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 13:15:53
65 come off it. Other cities have installed dig and cover metro systems and Paris , berlin , frankfurt , brussels , amsterdam , rotterdam , antwerp (need i go on) seem to be doing fine.

You just dont like disruption and that i can understand but you have to see a wee bit further.
63

It's me!,

04/12/2008 13:18:40
"as Lothian Buses seeks to tackle falling profits". So LRT are still making a profit. I can understand fares rising if they were making losses but in these troubled financial times LRT should be taking a drop in income the same as everyone else.
64

Niko Bellic,

04/12/2008 13:20:59
POWER
DISRUPTION
LIES
65

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04/12/2008 13:26:58
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Niko Bellic,

04/12/2008 13:27:26
As I've said before, s'not necessarily trams that are bad, but trams in the hands of the council and TIE is bad news indeed.

Think about the Parliament building. It was an incredible waste of money. Nothing wrong with the idea of building a parliament, but moulded concrete and bamboo sticks for £400 million? I think not.

Sooner the trams project implodes the better. And it will implode. Mark my words.
67

NorT,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:30:33
They are having to put the bus fares up and will be doing it in stages to over £3 as the trams fares will be the same as the bus. Cllr Wheeler has declared that the bus and tram fares will be same but would not admit that the bus fares would rise to a high level so that they could charge high fares on the trams. We now know the truth.
68

OddJob,

Edinboring 04/12/2008 13:36:08
Well TIE have been gleefully informing us that that tram fares will be the same as bus fares for ages now. But as always, the devil is in the detail. Only five or six more unavoidable increases required to get the fares up to a suitable level.
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OddJob,

Edinboring 04/12/2008 13:37:53
Great minds NorT.
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Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:40:18
#74 over £3!....for a single?....
I bet you will still have morons saying its good value!

I really hope that this can all be sorted out as it
just seems to be getting worse and worse

As for the 15 being cut its the same old pattern, Lothian withdraw a service (or part of if) waiting for the out cry so they can demand higher subsidies for running the service..
I would not worry I am sure it will be back soon
71

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 13:43:17
Abandon the tram project! No one wants it anyway. It's ruining this city.
72

Robin Bankes,

Culross 04/12/2008 13:43:33
61 Big Bob - have you ever experienced the fare structures in other areas of the UK? If you had, you would be pushing it to describe the levels charged by Lothian Buses as "punishment".
The annual Ridacard is currently advertised at £444 which is a miserably low of £1.22 per day for unlimited travel on the vast bulk of services. How much cheaper do you want it and how would you achieve it whilst keeping the company solvent?
73

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:48:49
Yes I have, and how many other areas in the UK have a comapny that is owned by the local council?..... Lothian Buses with the support of the council are punishing the WORKING people of Edinburgh!....
74

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 13:49:46
77 erm , hang on. Do you think that there ia any chance he just made that up ?
75

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 13:50:28
81 I suppose you think everything should be free ?!
76

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:50:35
I pray that its made up
77

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:51:54
#81 of cource!...
78

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 13:55:23
Interesting concept. Didnt work (see gdr /russia etc)
79

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 13:59:42

GDR and many Russian cities have Trams!...
80

Tr1xx,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:03:23
I recall the time when we could be proud of the Edinburgh city bus service. This was down to a combination of frequency, speed, convenience, cost, comprehensive network, etc.

The ball burst as soon as trams appeared on the horizon... and I expect this fare increase won't be the last bit of bad news before the trams come into service either.

. . . to be continued . . .
81

Ima Stoner,

HIGH street, edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:04:46
Buse fares subsidising the trams doesn't surprise me - they are a bunch of bar-stewards. I'll help myself keep fit by walking most of the time - in fact, it is quicker walking these days rather than waiting on a bus and then sitting at roadworks for ages.
82

Hmm ...,

04/12/2008 14:07:56
... Leith Cowboy (69) said "65 come off it. Other cities have installed dig and cover metro systems and Paris , berlin , frankfurt , brussels , amsterdam , rotterdam , antwerp (need i go on) seem to be doing fine. You just dont like disruption and that i can understand but you have to see a wee bit further."

Thing is that once these dig and cover schemes are complete, there will be less congestion for all other road users. The majot weakness in Edinburgh's tram porject is that once the work is complete, the roads will be dedicated to the trams - closed to other road users or traffic light barred to give the trams what they call "priority", forcing other road users off the roads.

Edinburgh will be worse off once the work is completed, as the tramLINE will be a moat across the city centre, requiring traffic to go around it.

And Lothian Buses will be left holding the baby in terms of cost.
83

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:09:21
90.. these cities have trams too.

nice try.
84

Hmm ...,

04/12/2008 14:11:00
... Big Bob (87) said "GDR and many Russian cities have Trams!..."

Yes - but only because they never developed beyond the '50s!

The rolling stock in many other European cities that still run trams is OLD - again because they never moved on from them. How many are actually re-introducing trams where they had an alternative?
85

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:13:14


Sorry for laughing.
86

Decent,

04/12/2008 14:13:40
12 - Do you get peanuts on buses now? Seriously? I thought that was just on domestic flights! Things must have improved now then. Last time I got a bus it was 50p to go uptown. Has it gone up now then?
87

Captainofedinburgh,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:16:05
People on here who think that £1.10 is expensive for a bus or £2.50 for almost unlimited travel all day is too much must really be falling on hard times. And those complaining about paying £1.10 to go one stop, walk you lazy sods! Edinburgh's buses are very cheap in comparison to other cities in the UK. I have family in Aberdeen and each time I go up there I have a heart attack when I use the bus. It's so expensive compared to here. They have a tiered fare system granted, but any more than a handful of stops and you're paying £2. Pretty much double the price here. And up until recentley most of the buses were as old as the sun and not in the best of nick. Think First bus here, but even worse! So stop moaning, realise how lucky you are and stop being so lazy and walk if you're just going a short distance!
88

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:16:15
Oh you've got green trams

Oh you've got blue trams

Oh you've got grey trams
89

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 14:16:58
94 ha ha
you do get TV on most buses, some times even live fights even with surround sound its like you are really there... hold on
90

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04/12/2008 14:17:53
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91

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:18:14


sorry dudes
92

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:18:38


(I thought it was youtube)
93

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:27:05
confusion.
94

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:28:03
theres too much happening.
95

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:28:53
ra ta ta ta ta ta ta ta HEY

You just can't believe me
When I tell you how bad the trams'll be

The past is the future
96

PaulB,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:29:31
Here's an idea - why don't we all try and support our local bus service, instead of constantly doing it down. We have some of the cheapest fares in the UK and most comprehensive networks. If everyone carries on slating the company, their wish will coem true and it will be sold, leaving us to rely on lastbus or (even worse) stagecoach). Even if the fare is £1.30 it is still a bargain considering the distance that allows you to travel. Please stop moaning and try to be positive for a change.
97

The Judge,

04/12/2008 14:29:47
Another little drip drip negative story about the tramLINE.

When January comes the council will use any old excuse, except the real reason, why they are cancelling the tramLINE. This just gives them more ammunition.

"We're scrapping the tramLINE to save the buses"

"We're scrapping the tramLINE to save jobs"

"We're scrapping the tramLINE to protect services"

"We're scrapping the tramLINE because of the credit crunch"

"We're scrapping the tramLINE because of the downturn in house building(Waterfront PLC)"

Never once admitting. "We're scrapping the tramLINE because we're over ambitious, nobody wants it and we can't afford it".

The pro-tramies on the council are few and far between, even hard-line New Labour councillors know it's going to be a failure and are actively looking for escape clauses in all the contracts. Thankfully Carillion will give them a way out, well not Carillion more HMRC.
98

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:30:04
Blakey the trams inspector:

"CLIPPY BAMSTICKS"
99

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:33:11
104 because these are people from edinburgh , they are miserable and always accentuate the negative.

Al in all , it makes for a wonderul place to live and as a council insider said , " we are proud to acknowledge edinburgh as a world centre of negativity. Rat a tat a tat ta HEY"
100

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:34:09
see 105. Could you imagine sharing a house with this joyless bamstick ?
101

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 04/12/2008 14:34:15
>81 : Big Bob ~ I would suggest that most of the UK population would be delighted with the frequency of service and fare levels that users of Lothian Buses enjoy. Lothian Buses is a deregulated company and therefore not an extension of the DSS. It is obliged to operate on commercial terms. I fear your whingeing will receive little sympathy among those who recognise there is no such thing as a free lunch!
102

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:35:39
LOves got the trams in motion

and I cant believe its true
103

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:36:20
TOP 10 CARILLION JOKES:

1. The "Kayleigh" joke
2. The "Fugazi" joke
3. The fish joke
4. the Aristocrats joke
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Due to unforeseen and unprecedented economic circumstances jokes five to ten (inclusive) have been indefinitely postponed.

Going forward, it is endeavoured that jokes five to seven (inclusive) will be instated as and when this is a financially executable possibility.

Til then me old muckers, get the f***in bus and watch your tax money being used for Edinburgh to dig istelf into a hole.


104

Hoof Hearted,

Glasgow 04/12/2008 14:38:43
In Glasgow it's £2.90 adult single fare and £9.00 for a day ticket. That's what happens when FirstGrope run the trains and buses in one area.

You Edingburers don't know ur born!
105

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:38:51
#109

Why do you talk like a deputy head teacher?
106

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:40:27
#112

True. We here in Embra don't know we're born. The whole of the Gorbals used to only have one jumper and three wellies for every 1000 people.
107

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:41:56

We're singing for England

ENG GER LAND

We're singing the song

We're singing for England

Arrivederci it's one on one.
108

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 14:49:12
A lot of people in Edinburgh werent born , they were brewed near Gorgie. You can smell the newborn sometimes from the western approach tramway.
109

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 14:50:02
Ticket prices must increase again when the trams start running.

Appendix III (Revenue & Risk) of the Tram Final Business Case details the extent of the losses which Lothian Buses may have to deal with, due to the delay in the Waterfront, etc, and the general economic downturn. The predicted losses are huge.

If the Council is serious about reducing car usage, it must start planning right now how it is going to help Lothian Buses address these future losses, otherwise we may well be looking at severe service/frequency cuts and increases in ticket price.

If the Council fails to do this, then, having read Appendix III, I doubt that Lothian Buses will survive.
110

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:53:09
#117
Nope. Not listened to New Order since about 2001.

This week I been listening mostly to

Josef K
Fire Engines
The Incredible String Band
Aphex Twin
Project Bona Fide

One of the above is a red herring.
111

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 14:54:41

Project Bone For Fido was the red herring
112

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 15:04:08
for your sake i hope it wasnt The Incredible String Band.

That list is far too close for comfort. Are you Ian Stoddart ?
113

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 15:04:46
actually if you are you dont have to answer.
114

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 15:11:49
Never been to Aberfeldy, never mind joined a band called Aberfeldy.
115

Pai Mei,

Beyond space and time, suspended in light, just ab 04/12/2008 15:44:57
What are these 'bus' of which you speak?

Tell me, do they laugh or cry? Can they paint a picture or compose a sonnet? Do they shed a tear when faced with beauty or protect without reason?



116

Pai Mei,

04/12/2008 15:46:13
comment
117

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 15:47:36
I have written a book. It's called "Never Go to the Toilet again"

Its not a book which advocates dirtying yourself, rather it tells you how - by eating and drinking just the right amounts - you dont ever have to go to the toilet again. Its all looking good, except Armitage Shanks is trying to bump me off.
118

Hmm ...,

04/12/2008 15:51:14
... Sarah B said "If the Council is serious about reducing car usage, it must start planning right now how it is going to help Lothian Buses address these future losses, otherwise we may well be looking at severe service/frequency cuts and increases in ticket price."

I rather think that they will try to make Edinburgh even more impossible for cars, so that more people will have to use the bus, no matter what.

Forgetting that they have been trying to do this for years now. And failing - people are not coming into Edinburgh and are going to Livingston and even Glasgow instead.

It looks as though the efforts that the dormer Edinburgh Labour administration made are coming home to roost. With the loss of financial services from the city on top of the Fountainbridge brewery closing and Distillers moving south, there is not a lot to keep Edinburgh going, so the reduced bus service is just another cutback that we shall see more of.

And the tramLINE is just another extravagance that Edinburgh can no longer afford. But will the LibDem-led City Council cut its cloth acordingly? No chance - it doesn't have the initiative to create its own plans to improve the city. Vote LibDem, get Labour.
119

Pai Mei,

04/12/2008 15:55:18
comment
120

Top_Dawg,

04/12/2008 16:03:36
#16 You reckon this to happen before 9pm tonight?

Buses are cr ap in this city and the LRT driver should go and jump in front of one!
121

Lally Mc,

Leith 04/12/2008 16:16:18
They have already taken off the number 12 bus and put on a service 12 that stops at Leith Links,a useless service for elderly or disabled people who want to pay their respects at Seafield Cemetery or Crematorium. Not all people have a car or can aford a taxi to get them there. Those who want to get to Craigentinny Golf Course or Portobello also have a problem. The transport dept needs to take a good look at what they are doing to people by taking services off. How about taking some of the number 22 service and putting them on the 12 route there's plenty 22s running around the town. Waiting for a bus to go to work one morning I counted 9 yes NINE No 22s at the back of one another going to Ocean Terminal and 5 coming up from there NOT one was completely full, in fact most were empty. Is the Transport Dept. contemplating covering areas not currently covered when and if the trams start? I doubt it.
122

Cod,

On The Buses 04/12/2008 16:17:02
Scotland's Gash in the winter.
123

Cod,

04/12/2008 16:17:22
#130

You talking about ma burd?
124

makkapakka,

04/12/2008 16:17:55
#39the only reason first cant do the whole of edinburgh yet.... is a small matter of the OFT
oh first will have to raise their fares the same as Lothian OFT rules.....memba the last tome Lothian went to the headmaster and complained about First
First are a global company unlike Lothian
125

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 16:27:23
How comes no comments on the teuchter punchup?

126

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 16:29:18
Anyone remember that bird who got her foot caught in a Lothian Buses bus door?

I caught my foot in the bath door once, but running a bath doesn't cost £1.30. So I didn't complain.
127

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 16:33:38
Trams are like a bison shaped wifey
128

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 17:10:41
48 Big bob 79,04/12/2008 12:46:47
#39
sure its fare, so fare I bet you do not use your comapny pass and pay like all the poor mugs on the bus...
yeh sure wake up, if it was good value for money everyone would use the bus, £1.10 to go one stop!... people in town are being robbed to pay for the out of town travellers

What Town Dalkeith, Musselburgh?

48 Big bob
still confused are you saying that people from Musselburgh are subsidising people travelling from Wallyford to Musselburgh, yet its only 5mins on the bus and it cost £1.10
129

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 04/12/2008 17:17:26
136 why are you travelling one stop on the bus ? Pensioners get on free.

Above, ive already explained this is normal pricing structure pretty much globally.

You really need to smell the roses my friend, edinburgh buses are cheap compared to most places.
130

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 17:18:29
132 makkapakka,
04/12/2008 16:17:55
#39the only reason first cant do the whole of edinburgh yet.... is a small matter of the OFT
oh first will have to raise their fares the same as Lothian OFT rules.....memba the last tome Lothian went to the headmaster and complained about First
First are a global company unlike Lothian

Do you really think so

Money Speaks remember

Look at The banks, how quickly did the OFT and the Government change the rules.

FIRST were allowed to purchase the then Strathclyde buses (think thats the right name), never minde running the TRAINS, which gave them a virtual monopoly of both BUS & RAIL services in many areas


129 Lally Mc,Leith

think you'll find the 22 is being altered, the 12 suffered from the loss making bit to portobello, if the route had been "profitable" ie plenty of passengers, then they would never had cut back on the route
131

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 17:23:29
137 The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM

read the related comments

Lothian buses are cheap compared to most places, yes I know that. tell me something I don't know.

Where else in the country can you get UNLIMITED TRAVEL for £1.15 a day with a yearly ridacard

Go east of seton sands or tranent
OR west of sighthill
and FIRST fares as we all know are HIGH
132

Blackpool 1968,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 17:32:42
No wonder there are falling profits, no one can afford the fares. It's a conspiracy to get us all walking more.
133

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 17:36:08
You get bored of trams quickly.

By 2012 there will be plans for trolley hovercraft.

134

Euan,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 18:12:35
Sadly, the rise in fares that are being announced today could well be the tip of the iceberg and the start of a long, sorry decline for Lothian Buses.

Yes, recent high fuel costs have hit the company's coffers, but the real culprits are the construction of the disgraceful tram line and The City of Edinburgh Council for giving consent to the project in the first place.

We are only, what 18 months, into the insanity of Edinburgh's tram fiasco, and already we have seen Lothian Buses, an award-winning company, having ridiculous constraints put upon it by it owners, Edinburgh Council.

This is the company, which after all, is going to have to bear the brunt of the huge financial subsidies the tram LINE with it's £10 million+ annual upkeep, will require
(if it ever gets completed that is)

Goodness knows how much local taxpayers are going to have to pay out to support the trams as well.

Slowly but surely, this ill-conceived, badly-managed project is dragging everything around it down, and the biggest casualty is going to be our fleet of maroon buses..


135

anti-barbie,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 18:14:07
Anyone who has the nerve to complain about the bus service in Edinburgh should try living in a rural area; one bus an hour - if you're lucky and extortionate prices due to it not being a fereqwuently used service.
136

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 19:00:59
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tv36hODaolM

137

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 19:02:20
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9demh_RPQpc
138

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 19:03:32
This could happen:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NASx_lPeRFg
139

Hugh Roscombe,

04/12/2008 19:11:02
A 40 mile journey from Málaga cost me €3.75. Not much use if you're in Edinburgh though.
140

Euan,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 19:11:43
#146

Quality!

LOL!
141

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 19:12:06
#136 The only people to see value for money is people who take long journies on the buses, I thought that would have been obvious, I have a crayon do you need a picture?.... £1.30 to a go one stop yeh real value.

#109 yeh no free lunch, you clearly do not work for Lothian management or TIE they have been living of the fat of the land for years now. Many people love Lothian service, high frequency is great why have one bus in a jam when you have a dozen!... all going no where fast

Great service that is if its not getting cut
142

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 19:17:27
Hmmm (127) said, "I rather think that they will try to make Edinburgh even more impossible for cars, so that more people will have to use the bus, no matter what."

Alternatively, reduced bus services and frequencies combined with higher ticket prices may well result in an increase in car usage.

Foisting an operationally expensive tramline onto a successful bus company, which then results in poorer bus services citywide, is completely contradictory to the Council's stated policy of increasing public transport use.
143

The real dracula,

04/12/2008 19:22:27
i will happily continue to use my car to drive to and from work , snug warm and always on time.
Cost effective as I car share and we split the costs certainely costs less than £3 a day.

I dont have to be coughed on or smell the person sat next to me either.
Buses no way mate
144

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 19:23:20
I think most people on here are missing the point. Lothian buses exist to provide a service, NOT make a profit.
In the good ole days of LRT, busy services subsidised less busy. Now Lothian Buses expect taxpayer handouts for running 'loss making' routes, whilst creaming off profits of the busy ones.
Mind you, this is nowt compared to London Transport, who get £BILLIONS of UK taxpayer handouts to run their services (they don't tell you that when they accuse Scotland of being subsisdy junkies).
From memory, I think reading somewhere that each passenger that travels in London (the subsidy capital of the UK) COSTS the UK taxpayer something like £1.50 a time. Scandal !!
145

Hugh Roscombe,

04/12/2008 19:25:02
NATIONALISE EVERYTHING.
146

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 19:29:50
£1.10 to go one stop!... people in town are being robbed to pay for the out of town travellers

48 Big bob
still confused are you saying that people from Musselburgh are subsidising people travelling from Wallyford to Musselburgh, yet its only 5mins on the bus and it cost £1.10

Big Bob : I'm still confused with your comment

try East Lothian, £1.30 is what you can pay for one stop

A picture yes please
147

Euan,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 19:31:28
#153

Wonder what you'll be thinking when your No.27 and No.23 'services' are cut back, inconveniencing you when trying to work in the morning..

Scandal!
148

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 19:33:54
153 Road Raga,
EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 19:23:20
I think most people on here are missing the point. Lothian buses exist to provide a service, NOT make a profit.
In the good ole days of LRT, busy services subsidised less busy. Now Lothian Buses expect taxpayer handouts for running 'loss making' routes, whilst creaming off profits of the busy ones.

Think you'll find that there once Profitable routes 26 etc are struggling, hence the cuts in their main services as the cross subsidy is not there any more

Of Course Edinburgh Council could put these routes out to tender and see if anyone else can run them for less than LB.
149

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 19:37:42
153 Road Raga,
EDINBURGH 04/12/2008 19:23:20
I think most people on here are missing the point. Lothian buses exist to provide a service, NOT make a profit.

but there Income Must be more than there Expenditure.
So they have to make a Profit or break even at the least.

Or they would have to ask there shareholders for a cash injection

at least the travelling public can see were there money is going - NEW buses, come down to Sunny East Lothian.

FIRST haven't purchased a new bus for east lothian services for some 10+ years.
150

Big bob 79,

04/12/2008 20:11:35
156 made it clear last post and it has nothing to do with time its distance, in Edinburgh you only have yards between stops in East Lothian and out of town you can have miles between stops, god you are thick!...
151

Uncle Piehead,

04/12/2008 20:18:21
Why them delete my comment at #1?

It's not like I said anything controversial.

Apart from that bit about the sixty foot lizards, the the Fiat Cinquecento and The Illuminati.
152

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 20:18:49
i was referring to your quote:

Yeh sure wake up, if it was good value for money everyone would use the bus, £1.10 to go one stop!... people in town are being robbed to pay for the out of town travellers

what out of town travellers are you refering to.

Lothian buses run through very few "villages", if any!
153

tumshie heid,

04/12/2008 20:25:55
#158 Surely First are being kinder to the enviroment then? Buses are meant to have a working life of many years so why would they replace them unneccessarily?
Anyway the first drivers are much better at old fashioned surliness. It's always a gamble to see if the driver will stop for you on London Road or just whistle by.
154

Robert12,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 20:41:44
Lothian have become a farce. I wouldn't mind paying a bit more if the buses were actually on time!

The 26 route has been destroyed with it terminating at Drumbrae a lot of the time and the timetables being so messed up that often you wait 20 minutes with none turning up (every 5 mins at peak times allegedly) and then 3 turn up at once. They've also cut the nightbus schedule back meaning their "24 hours a day, 7 days a week" statement on the back of the 26 buses is now a complete fabrication.

So they do this and are surprised that less people use the bus?! If things had remained the same most people wouldn't mind paying a bit extra, but to cut back routes as well as increasing fares is ridiculous.

Of course I'm sure the 550m spent on a tram line will be well worth it when everyone has returned to their cars!
155

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 20:45:47
I just want to say how much I've enjoyed reading nearly 9 hours worth of comments from folks earning squillions of pinds about fares amounting to loose change for a transport system most of them will never use.
I'm quite breathless. Quick Matron. My bus pass.
156

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 20:51:00
I had prunes this morning and my doings are really better now.

See !
157

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 20:53:47
Sorry about that last contribution. That was me talking to Matron. Please don't pass it around.
Tee hee.
158

Pond Hall,

04/12/2008 20:57:43
162

have you seen some of the FIRST buses running about.

Yip and I was unfortunate to be on one tonight, having missed the 26.

It was a roller coaster ride on a 129 whistle, I thought we were in Speed 3 on the way home, record time, despite the Portobello Roadworks

Mind you the driver did strike a resemblance to Keanu Reeves

robert 163 the 26 is all to pot due to all the tram/road works that they are held up by.
159

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 21:32:44
Robert Mugabe qualifies for a bus pass if he comes to Edinburgh. And you won't be able to touch him.
Bless.
This is the stuff that parochial aspirations are built on.
What's cholera as long as you've got your health, eh ?
160

Niko Bellic,

04/12/2008 22:18:22
robert.mugabe.is.a.total.bas.tard.
161

Coach,

Lasswade 04/12/2008 22:22:20
Standing for buses has long since gone. Regardless of the mess LB or roads or council, who ever you blame.
We all use computers and the net to post our comments, I use the same for my bus stop, literally each stop has a bus tracker code, in goes my code, next bus is listed (granted not all buses are tracked, but only short term)
I pop out get my bus and enjoy my 35min trip to town. Completely unaware the driver is late unless I ask or he lets it slip. Then I hit the problems and tramworks and at this point I am fit to walk any distance, never more than 200metres though. The ignorant, the uninformed, the "moan a minutes" and disabled are left on the bus going nowhere. Sorry but the disabled would not even got this far on any other public service, they have great buses for the wheelchair user. You think back 20 years, now think forward 20 years, it can only get better ( I feel a song coming on)
162

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 22:35:03
#169 Mr Bellic
Jambo, and thank you,
Forgive me for going off topic, but since this thread seemed to be devoted to things that people don't like, I thought I'd mention Mr Mugabe.
Not as inspiring as public transport I know, but for very personal reasons I thought he deserved a mention.
163

is it me?,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 22:40:17
ps.Just occurred to me. Jambo doesn't mean what half of Edinburgh people seem to think.
164

Peter Wyngarde,

05/12/2008 00:44:41
Typical Edinburgh little put upon socialist mentatilty strikes again, get rid of this LRT monopoly and open the town up to the free market, that will soon sort them out! Oh wait, every time competition has come along before LRT have threatened to take their ball and go home, poor wee souls...
165

TRUE RED,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 09:41:09
As I stated in October Lothian are in Financial Difficulty , I said then fares would increase to £1.30 single , £3.00 daysaver.This and the dramatic route cuts . Lothian Buses continue to harp on about rising fuel costs etc but it must be said that under the leadership off "NR" they invested in the futures market to purchase fuel on a long term period so fuel costs are completely irrelevent you also have to remember that the company has to honour the the second part of the two year pay deal which from April this year is a 5.3% increase , so fares had to increase anyway .
166

OddJob,

Edinboring 05/12/2008 10:03:43
Anyone use the 19/37/47 route to commute in from the North of the city? Where have all the buses gone?
167

nozza, born n bred bingham now living in newcastle,

cramlington 05/12/2008 16:01:27
come to newcastle, £3.60 single and £6.00 for a day saver and the bus's are never on time! one of the many things i miss about my old home town 'edinburgh' a good bus service with 'resonable' prices! come on the good folk of edinburgh, whats there to moan about, eh!
168

Big bob 79,

05/12/2008 21:29:33

#165 Pond hall,
what are you talking about? I never mentioned villages? but your comments as usual are complete drivel
"Lothian buses run through very few "villages", if any!"
eh what are you talking about?

Pencaitland
Ormiston
Ratho
Roslin
all villages off the top of my head served by LB



169

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 22:04:33
# 66

You're wrong about 1 thing....it being City Edinburgh Council,who insisted on the trams....

Have you forgotten, that it was the MSP's from the previous administration [Labour/Lib-Dem], who voted for the trams?
Then, once SNP was voted in as a very small majority, trying to stop the trams, ALL other MSP's ,apart from SNP voted to keep the tram project going.
I wrote at that stage to several MSP's,but those answer's I received back were mainly based on "we must have the trams, because other European city's have them"...

If more Scottish folk would have voted for SNP at the last election, those trams could have been stopped.....so, those who voted anything else,but SNP should blame themselves for having to deal with all the tram mess now, NOT ECC....they just had to do, what was decided in the Scottish Parliament .

If they would have done a referendum, like it was done with the congestion charges, then the trams would NEVER have gone off the ground.

170

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 22:21:13
# 67
Edinburgh does NOT need trams.....in particular NOT because other European city have got them!

We had a good bus service, even so it had it's problems since the clause of 'increase passenger number' appeared in the contract, as it meant, that Lothian buses got rid of those essential ring routes, which served essential area's ,who relied on that kind of bus service.

Now to continue to reduce the routes as well as increase the fares, will just mean, that fewer possible passengers will consider to use the service.

Considering, that ECC is owning the majority share, and having [or meant to] a policy of reducing car usage,they should step in, one way or another to insure, that Edinburgh won't lose an essential public transport service.
171

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 22:57:27
Considering Edinburgh being a capital city, perhaps it's time, it would receive the same government benefits for public transport as London,who have got the oyster card,which is a greatly reduced fare system, including giving those under the age of 18 free travel.

Just look at the fares:
Your guide to fares and tickets within Zones 1-6 (PDF 575KB)

and compare those to Edinburgh's bus fares,then do you still think, that Edinburgh bus travel is good value.

172

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 22:59:16
Sorry, I think, that the link, hadn't worked...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx

remembering as well, that this covers a much larger area, than Lothian buses cover....
173

Barbapapa,

Edinburgh 04/08/2009 13:30:52
Can I say that compared to Glasgow where I'm from, LRT are way better. Having said that I would really grudge paying £1.30 to go one stop and I am in the fortunate position where I can walk to work and other places. In some of their bus stops LRT thank people for for using public transport. I can't see a lot of people doing that with the price increases they are proposing. I use public transport mainly at the weekends but my daughter and I have passes for occasional weekly use, couldn't they consider some sort of initiative whereby LRT can issue passes just for Saturday and Sundays. I suggested this to a bloke in one of LRT's shops but he wasn't enthusiastic at all and carried on selling me scratchcards which are just the same as an all day ticket. LRT, why don't you offer incentives for travellers rather than penalising them. It's not our fault you are running at a loss.

 

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