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Published Date: 06 November 2009
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I WRITE after reading the article regarding the £750,000 segregated bus lane at Cameron Toll (News, 4 November).

Let's be clear about this. The
bus lane at a cost of £750,000 will only serve to miss out one set of lights at the roundabout, an estimated saving of 20 seconds on a bus journey and there will no extra lane provided for other traffic. It is disgraceful that the council should try to pretend it is anything else.

What is particularly shocking about this project is that the council themselves spent thousands of pounds on a report by Halcrow in 2007 to assess the benefits of the various schemes.

On the first page of the summary of that report it states: "The study concluded that segregated guided and unguided busways were not justified given the limited amount of current funding available."

It is unbelievable that, especially at this time of financial turmoil and shortfalls, the council should be intending to spend this £750,000 when its own commissioned report states it is not worth the expenditure.

It is most encouraging that Councillor Ian Murray and other councillors for the area have identified the huge waste of public money if this scheme should be allowed to go ahead.

We can only hope that they are able to put enough pressure on the transport committee to get the council to amend or drop this scheme with its pointless squandering of public money.

Dougie Barnett, Chair, Bridgend Cottages Residents Committee, Old Dalkeith Road Edinburgh


Great scientist was a generous man

YOUR tribute to Sir John Crofton, the pioneer of the cure for TB, (News, 5 November) was richly deserved.

When I started work at Shelter in 1993 I inherited a piece of work from my predecessor. It was a report on health and housing and it was being written by someone called John Crofton (I think he was proud of but didn't show off his knighthood). Being, at that point, shamefully ignorant of medical history, the name did not ring with me and we continued to work together for a few months, occasionally gently sparring about this or that conclusion.

It was only much later that I mentioned the work to my uncle, himself a retired GP in the city, to be told unequivocally that I was working with one of the giants of the twentieth century. Yet, how typical of John that he should never have mentioned his past achievements and that he should still have been out there campaigning even at that time, when he was 81 years old.

Over the succeeding years I met with John on several occasions to get his advice. Not content with being one of the great scientists of the last 100 years he was also one of the nicest, warmest and most generous people I have ever met.

I hope Edinburgh pays due tribute in this, his adopted home.

Gavin Corbett, Briarbank Terrace, Edinburgh


Bilingual idea is a sign of prudence

YOUR front page on 3 November claimed that bilingual English and Gaelic road signs would be a waste of time. Your comment went on to claim that such signs are an irrelevance in Edinburgh, where only one per cent of the population are Gaelic speakers. You even use the claim that such signs could be confusing and dangerous to motorists.

Road signs do need to be replaced periodically and I would argue that the council taking that opportunity to put bilingual signs in place would show great financial prudence indeed.

If only one per cent of the population of Edinburgh speak Gaelic, then that is testimony to the way our national language has been treated. Bilingual signs would encourage others to learn the language and help preserve it.

Leslie John Thomson, Moredunvale Green, Edinburgh


Council doing duty regarding Gaelic

THE council has a statutory requirement to produce a Gaelic Language Plan for Edinburgh and an obligation to promote the language under the Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005.

Thus the council is consulting on a draft five-year plan outlining possible ways in which the use of the language could become more visible across the city.

There is no new scheme about to be implemented. We want to hear from the people on Edinburgh on how important, or otherwise, they feel maintaining the link to the country's national language is. Those views will inform the final report.

Councillor Whyte's comments are slightly mischievous in asking why we would look at this when we're facing a difficult budget period.

The report clearly states that we are legally obliged to do this, that there is no budget proposed for the implementation of the plan and that any costs would have to be contained within existing budgets – maximising partnership opportunities to deliver desired outcomes.

I believe it is important that Scotland's capital city plays a full part in promoting Gaelic.

Cllr Jenny Dawe, Leader, Edinburgh City Council


Royal Mail delivers hope with stamps

WHILE Royal Mail seems to be consumed in a totally unwarranted industrial action, how refreshing to see that one arm, at least, is meeting the users' requests by issuing Christian-themed Christmas stamps this year. There is hope.

Colin C Maclean, Hillpark Avenue, Edinburgh



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  • Last Updated: 06 November 2009 11:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jim Taylor,

06/11/2009 12:10:53
Gaelic signs? Preposterous LJT.

2

Jim Taylor,

06/11/2009 12:20:44
Jenny the Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005 is just another example of Parliament going off on a trendy one when all the rest of us are up to our butts in alligators.

Instead of wasting time on this nonsense, how about rewriting the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 which is woefully out of date and allows councils to behave like something from a banana republic because of the wide latitude it gives to beat down opposition to councils.


And if there is cash available, how about arranging for some of to be allocated to those who are forced into legal process by councils because the councils know they have a certain victory because their opponents can't afford to take them into court to prove their case?

And, while we're at it, how about doing something to force councillors to take up the cases of their constituents rather than meekly passing the problem to the council's legal department which then drags them through the prohibitively expensive legal process above.

In short Cllr Dawe, how about doing something to bring some real democratic accountability to our local government process?

3

AbandonAllHope,

06/11/2009 12:25:45
Off the top of my head - Edinburgh Gaelic nameplaces -

Craigleith
Craigcrook
Craigentinny
Balerno
Albyn
Craiglockhart
Calton
Corstorphine

In fact most Edinburgh placenames are Gaelic derived. So stop being so damn ignorant with the idea that Gaelic was never respected throughout Scotland.

4

CityStroller,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:03:44
The living remnant of Gaelic in the Isles and North is quaint and worthy of modest support (up there). But it has had no relevance to the Lowlands for a thousand years.

Place names are fossils. They do not prove there is a current need for bilingualism.
5

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:09:01
Re - the road signs - pity they couldn't get the English language sign directing traffic to Hawick right. What makes them think including gaelic will be correct?

Complete waste of money, as is the proposed bus lane mentioned. Twenty seconds off a journey? Big deal.
6

AbandonAllHope,

06/11/2009 13:14:11
I think it would look quite cool, stimulate peoples brains as they try and get there head round the 18 letters named after trees.
7

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 06/11/2009 13:16:08

Jim Taylor.......is it true that during your festive break in Pickering you wrote 4 letters to the local
press?
8

SpellingWizard,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:17:54
I would like Jenny Dawe to point us to the duty to promote Gaelic in the 2005 Act. I can find no such duty. The Council might have been asked by the Bord na Gaighlig to produce a Gaelic Language Plan, but that is an entirely different thing. The 2005 Act is quite careful not to put wide duties on public bodies to promote Gaelic, to prevent just the sort of silly self-justifications that she mentions.
9

AbandonAllHope,

06/11/2009 13:20:32
I wouldnt worry, its a council red herring. If most of the Edinburgh street names are Lowland Gaelic derived then there will be no need to change any. Move along now, nothing to see here.
10

Jim Taylor,

06/11/2009 13:32:14
Sure JG.

I wrote to the local press telling them that it was nice to see the shops open on New Years Day. The streets were immaculate. Street furniture was limited. The people were very friendly. The roads weren't potholed. The North York Moors Railway was a delight. The restaurants were sublime. The tranquility was a joy. And generally the town appeared to be a real community.

But then, I had to come back to the "normality" of Edinburgh didn't I .....

BTW As far as I remember, there were no local plans to dual all their signs with "fermerspeak" ...
11

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:51:04
Fermerspeak? You really do like to wear your ignorance with pride, don't you, Jim?
12

Dragonlord,

06/11/2009 14:10:42
10# When do you move? Or won't that stop you from writting to the EEN?
13

James (1),

06/11/2009 14:22:19
What a load of rubbish LJT letter is! There is no need to put this minority language on a sign. Why? Because nobody gives a fig (was going to use another word) and it is not done cost free.
Without looking it up can you tell me which town is twinned with Edinburgh. Surely you must have seen that little piece of info under road signs and having done so you have now learnt all about it?

"maximising partnership opportunities to deliver desired outcomes" I assume you are an exponent of
Wan* speak? I am guessing HR management is your job.
14

James (1),

06/11/2009 14:24:38
Apology to LJT my last comment was to Cllr Jenny Dawe
15

Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 06/11/2009 14:34:08
Just for those of you that love being ignorant (and judging by the contributions here, that's most of you....) most road signs are created in jails at minimum cost to the public purse.

As I said yesterday, if you're so damn illiterate that you can't read two lines of text, then you shouldn't be driving!
16

James (1),

06/11/2009 15:07:59
#15 and as was said to you- You appear not to understand why people are against this?
There is no need for the signs to be in two languages. It is the equivelant of using two words when one will do. It serves no useful purpose. It will however mean more time and therefore money is being spent to make these signs.
When you get a instruction manual that is in 6 languages do you read all 6 sets of instructions just to do a comparison? No, you eliminate the useless stuff and concentrate on the relevant stuff. Most likely wishing they would stop putting this foreign rubbish in the manual and use only English?
The signs are a mini instruction manual.
It will not start up a "lets all speak Gaelic" because I saw it on a sign.
ps which ward are you in?
17

David in Texas,

Denton, Texas, USA 07/11/2009 00:47:35
From my position several thousand miles away from the center of the controversy, I must say that the level of opposition to Gaelic on signs seems a bit bizarre. Few people now need to learn Gaelic for practical reasons. We who do so learn it for cultural and historical reasons. Are the culture and history of Scotland of so little value to the current generation of the residents of Edinburgh that they become angry at the very idea of seeing a linguistic reminder of them on signs?

 

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