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Published Date: 01 December 2006
Israel will not free prisoners to Hezbollah unless the Lebanese guerrilla group proves that two Israeli soldiers it captured before this year's war are alive, Israel's prime minister Ehud Olmert has told foreign envoys.

The full article contains 65 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2006 10:28 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Middle East conflict , Lebanon
 
1

bill, england,

01/12/2006 15:27:19

Fair enough. What if they are not alive?

2

mohamed,

montreal 01/12/2006 15:38:55

that's the game,...,we leave to those two stupid sides to continue playing this game...

3

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 16:29:00

Why shouldn't they have to prove the captured soldiers are alive? A little good will never hurts.
Are they afraid the rest of the world will find out how they treat prisoners? They were alive when they were taken. That's the way they should be returned. Just like the hundreds Israel will release.

4

sandy,

USA 01/12/2006 16:37:02

#3--Lynne--why hundreds? two jihadists for two Israeli Soldiers.

5

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 17:30:08

Sandy...that's what they said they were going to do!!

6

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 17:33:44

Sandy...It would be nice if it worked that way..but every time they release 1 person, Israel releases 500 or more.
I just wonder how dangerous all these released prisoners are.

7

Helena,

michigan 01/12/2006 17:46:40

Trouble and unrest in the Middle East? ..look no further than Syria. In Glasgow lingo...what a shower!

8

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 18:18:16

I think Hezbollah is scared to death that people are going to find out they are behind all the assassinations. Now if they take over the gov't, they won't have the panel looking into the murders.

9

bill, england,

01/12/2006 18:40:42

8

Which assassinations would those be?

10

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 19:00:45

the ex-prime minister Hariri, and a minister of Lebanon.

11

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 19:12:42

They will afraid that the assassinations will be traced back to Syria.

12

mohamed,

montreal 01/12/2006 20:49:44

Lynne

it's not your business, this, it's arab business, trace your borders, and stop the circus.

13

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 21:16:49

Arab business? Who appointed you the post police?

14

Betsy,

01/12/2006 21:26:04

#12: Unfortunately, Arab business keeps spilling over onto the rest of us.

15

Lynne,

USA 01/12/2006 21:40:34

#12... It's all tied together..with Hezbollah and Iran funding and sending foreign fighters into Iraq.
I shouldn't have to explain Hezbollah and Israel...right?

16

mohamed,

montreal 01/12/2006 23:29:27

this bunch of people, normally are marginals in arab society , have no legitimacy, only sioniste policy give them importance and feed their ideology, so take the land u want and give us peace....

17

Let's have the truth,

02/12/2006 08:24:00

Israel should "prove" that the hundreds of Palestinians they have in captivity are alive and well before any prisoner exchange takes place.

Don't forget that the two Israelis were "Captured" on lebanese soil.

18

Cristopher,

Canada 02/12/2006 09:40:53

oh lyn, you are ever so hateful. Hezballah are FREEDOM FIGHTERS. They are not assassins!

Here, I will help you out again, you poor thing:

MOSSAD.

MOSSAD.

MOSSAD.

They do the assassinations. They commit the assassinations in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Palestine, and Lebanon.

NEVER EVER FORGET THAT.

Mossad.

Don't be shy to say it out loud. Truly one of the most hateful zionist inventions on this planet - THE MOSSAD.

19

Cristopher,

Canada 02/12/2006 09:43:31

And let us not forget the assassinations in the USA committed by the Mossad.

Victor Ostrovsky knew all this, which is why he high-tailed it to Canada. He knew his ex-fellow assassins would be after him for the books he wrote.

Great reading:

Victor Ostrovsky
Benjamin H. Freedman
Norman Finkelstein

And anything that lyn sharon has to say?

Forget it.

20

Cristopher,

Canada 02/12/2006 09:47:02

He shoots! He scores!

Yes, let's have the truth, you are right.

The israelis were on Lebanese soil!

NOT KIDNAPPED - BUT YES, CAPTURED.


The israelis had no business being on Lebanese territory in the first place.

21

Conan,

Here 02/12/2006 09:52:47

#17, have you found the truth yet?

22

Let's have the truth,

02/12/2006 10:25:05

# 21

"#17, have you found the truth yet?"


....... Evidently, to your chagrin.

23

Lynne,

USA 02/12/2006 14:17:21

#18..One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

24

bill, england,

02/12/2006 15:31:14

Lynne 23

"One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist"

Unfortunately, the converse is not true.

The Zionist terrorists are not freedom fighters; they already had their freedom and decided to take away that of other people who lived in Palestine.

25

Wally,

Arizona - USA 02/12/2006 20:04:46

The Israelis commit far far more violence against others than is committed against them.

From 2000 to 2006 there were significant attacks on Israel and the ratio of how many the Israelis killed to how many of the Israelis were killed was about 3-1 I believe. Then in 2006 there were very few attacks against Israel and Israel greatly increased the number of attacks on others.

there's been many individual cases where it is documented that Israel murdered un-armed civilians.

Israel holds about 10,000 Palestinian prisoners. many are held with no real justification. Many are tortured as well. By contrast there are practically no Israeli prisoners held by Hezbollah, and I believe none held by the palestinians.

26

Lynne,

USA 03/12/2006 20:02:01

Bias Vs Balance
By Rachel Raskin-Zrihen (bio)
I can’t tell you how much I hate hearing about civilian deaths in the Palestinian territories.
News stories of this type are almost always disturbingly colorful and horribly descriptive, and make anyone with a heart cringe in revulsion.
By contrast, Israeli civilian deaths typically are apparently not considered newsworthy when they happen, but only as an asterisk in a story about a retaliatory strike which kills or injures Palestinians. Check it out. You’ll see.
Also, articles about Israelis killed in attacks hardly ever include anything more descriptive than the cold, hard facts. Numbers only. No names, no ages, no faces, no humanity.
This is not the case when something horrible happens to Palestinians.
Case in point, the recent incident in which Israeli artillery fire evidently killed 18 sleeping civilians in Gaza.
“Women collapsed in grief, a man hoisted his dead baby aloft and tens of thousands of Palestinians called for revenge Thursday as they jammed a cemetery for the funeral of 18 civilians killed in an errant Israeli artillery attack,” is how the Associated Press story starts.
Compare this to any story in which Israelis are killed. When you look, you will note that very often in news accounts, Palestinians are “killed,” while Israelis “also die” — a subtle, yet infuriating distinction.

27

Lynne,

USA 03/12/2006 20:02:25

The article notes that “despite the deadly incident, Israel said it would keep attacking Gaza as long as Palestinian rocket barrages persist, although the army ordered artillery fire to stop pending the results of an investigation.”
This could have been said the other way — “as long as the Palestinians continue firing rockets into Israeli civilian population centers, Israel vows to continue targeting launch areas” — giving a very different impression.
Also note the Israelis suspended their efforts to try to stop the constant barrage of Qassam rockets into Israeli towns from the area until it figures out how this tragedy happened. It is the type of behavior that screams the qualitative difference between the mindset and mores of the two peoples.
The AP story notes that 18 dead was the highest Palestinian civilian toll in a single incident since the current conflict erupted in September 2000. The highest death toll of Israeli civilians was the 29 killed in a Palestinian suicide bombing at a March 2002 Passover gathering.
And here we see the other main differences between the two groups. Intent and reaction.
The Israeli military is investigating what they say was a terrible mistake. The Army and the government both expressed horror and regret at the unintended loss of civilian lives.
By stark and disturbing contrast, the Passover Massacre was the fulfillment of an intentional targeting of innocent civilians, designed for maximum carnage. No one apologized, but instead there were celebrations in the Palestinian streets and vows of continued violence.

28

Lynne,

USA 03/12/2006 20:03:00

And yet, in reading about and watching the news, one could easily get the impression that “both sides” are equally barbaric and that since the Israelis are better armed (at least for now,) they must be the aggressors.
I submit that Israel and the Jews are the front line in the West’s war on Islamo-fascist terror, and as Israel goes, so goes civilization.

29

maestra,

03/12/2006 21:23:51

No 26 - I am afraid the writer's contention is simply untrue.

30

Let's have the truth,

03/12/2006 23:42:18

# 28

What a load of poppycock. I think you are one of the brainwashed.

31

Let's have the truth,

03/12/2006 23:46:08

Lynne

It would do you good to study what happens at border checkpoints manned by Israeli "soldiers".

It seems you are totally blind or are totally heartless to the plight of the Palestinians.

The Israelis are becoming their own worst enemies.

32

Let's have the truth,

04/12/2006 00:21:08

# 11

"They will afraid that the assassinations will be traced back to Syria".


................and if they are traced to Mossad?

33

Lynne,

USA 04/12/2006 03:13:30

32

Every time someone brings up positive points for Israel, you and your cohorts, turn it into a negative.
I can do the same thing for all that you say.

I am sure the assassinations are going to be traced back to Syria...Why? They have the most to lose..Syria and Hezbollah.

Why do you think they are rallying in the streets of Lebanon? They want to change that administration so that they will not be investigated.
Hezbollah, has them rallying under the guise of getting more seats in the cabinet. They even told them to leave their Hezbollah flags at home and carry Lebanon flags.

Doesn't take a MENSA to figure it out!!

34

Let's have the truth,

04/12/2006 03:33:22

# 33

....and these positive points are????????

35

Wally,

Arizona - USA 04/12/2006 08:24:51

guys - you just can't believe how the US media is basically propaganda. They're very good at the propaganda.

I've been fortunate that I've participated in several 'discussion forums' on the internet that were not associated with any given media outlet (completely independent of any of them). The kind of forum where anyone can post any article from anywhere and then it is discussed by sometimes thousands of people participating.

In that type of a system you can really get the news. and the propaganda can be seen for what it is. especially when you have some smart knowledgeable people participating posting the articles and showing things.

and then people would post from books too, sometimes historical accounts that are buried.

The American media is very much propaganda. The politicians are liars. It is very unfortunate.

Just in the last day the Israelis used a bull-dozer to destroy a water well in bethleham. That well was used for agriculture and some Palestinian land will not be worked as a result of this. The economy of Palestine has been under steady attack for years. and now the palestinians are destitute. their agriculture industry and all other industries too are successfully hobbled.

They are extremely persecuted against. and yet the Americans are ignorant of this.

Lynne & others will say I am anti-American. But I am not.

I tell you that if the Americans have failed in their efforts to rule over themselves in a decent manner, then this only exposes a basic failure of the people. And your nations are not superior to ours' your people not better than ours'. If we have failed - you will fail.

The ideologies that people create fool the people. Democracy is such an ideology. there are others.

This is why I seek to give you the biblical views.

36

Lynne,

USA 04/12/2006 14:21:01

Wally, It is hard for me to figure you out. You say you are an American...doesn't sound like it to me.
You are unhappy with Democracy, unhappy with the gov't, although I am not quite sure what kind of Gov't would make you happy.
The media is propaganda..somewhat true..
But these internet forums you say are with sometimes thousands..Do you honestly believe none of them read newspapers, watched tv or other media?
You are not happy with the monetary system, and hope the US falls into a depression.
I am not being sarcastic when I ask this...
but why not move to a country that meets all your requirements? Evidently the US of A is not for you.

37

Wally,

Arizona - USA 04/12/2006 18:30:38

Lynne,

I appreciate your questions. but will not answer them. because they are inappropriate.

I have advocated that the US dollar be allowed to float freely and that it not be used for the trading currency that it is. This would reduce the value of the dollar dramatically. It would harm some economically in America and benefit others. But on an overall basis it would be good for America. Because it would enable domestic production of all kinds.

Ronald Reagan agreed with me on this point. As I may have said above, Reagan directed that the dollar float freely to bring it down in value. It did decline I believe by 40% in 3 years. and then in 1984 with a low value of the US dollar the US domestic economy boomed. We hit 7.2% growth year-round average which is the highest in US history. That happened because the dollar declined so much in value.

So your characterization that I want a depression in the US in false.

The real way to help the US economy is to let government create the money as was done from 1700 to 1750. In this manner we would avoid the interest expense paid to the private banks that currently create money. I think usury is OK, but the banks lending should have the money before they lend it. In today's system they do not have the money they lend until they lend it. The money is created by lending it. And then they collect both principal and interest. That is an outrageous system and it is bankrupting America.

38

Bern,

05/12/2006 06:50:50

Wally

I disagree with your assumption that major news sources are overwhelming pro-Israel. It depends mainly on the events happened and how the journalists associated with reporting it. In reality, there are also many anti-Israel articles if you care to search.

I have come across speeches and articles written by American journalists who are critical of Israel. Incidently, you just happened to read something you disagreed. Like one reader put it: Any articles that are written not to your liking neither favourable in your interest, you would promptly considered it as bias!

Yes, I'd also read many of Oliver F's posts. He is of the opinion about you being blinkered with hate and prejudice toward Israel, for you refuse to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah terror. The killing is equally bad on both sides. Both parties committed war crimes but you see Hamas and Hezbollah as holding no blame and guilty.

Yet, they made no effort to avoid civilian casualities and instead, used civilians as human shields as well as storing weapons and rockets in residential areas. #Every civilian killed is a propaganda war victory for them. They use civilian casualties as a weapon to attract world sympathy against Israel.

Israel had left Lebanon since 2000. Whether Israel is the aggressor or not, this is not important. What matter most is - who started the July conflict? Like we used to say - If Hezbollah had not initiated the deadly cross-border attack, killing and kidnapping the Israeli soldiers in July, the summer conflict would never have taken place at all.

Naturally, you don't expect Israel to sit idle doing nothing after being attacked. She was being provoked to retaliate in defence. Least to say, Israel cannot tolerate unending rocket shootings. Whoever fires the first bullet is responsible for bloodshed.

39

Let's have the truth,

05/12/2006 12:14:09

"If Hezbollah had not initiated the deadly cross-border attack, killing and kidnapping the Israeli soldiers in July, the summer conflict would never have taken place at all".


.......... The Israeli soldiers were "CAPTURED" on Lebanese land!

40

Bern,

05/12/2006 12:34:52

Some newspapers and newsletters reported it as "kidnapped" and some others as "captured". So, it's really up to each of us to decide as to whom we want to believe in.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2006/07/29/kidnapped-in-leban...

41

Cristopher,

Canada 06/12/2006 06:59:16

That is total misinformation on your part post 40. Period.

You are just one of the many hate-feeding, warmongering people on the side of israeli invasions. Your stuff doesn't wash.

'israel' sit idle? THe only time that 'israel' sits idle is when it is planning illegal invasions of its surrounding neighbors. After ITS idle time of preparation - because we all know how long it requires for a preparation of war - 'israel' PROVOKED hezballah.

'israel' needed an excuse to attack Lebanon and Hezbollah was the excuse. So Hezbollah loses regardless of its actions.

BTW it is Hezbollah that EARNS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITS COUNTRY seeing that 'israel' is the illegal invader and has been for 60 years.

42

Cristopher,

Canada 06/12/2006 07:05:15

post 40:

israel left Lebanon? Where do you get your information? From Zionist contests on who can lie the most easily?

"israel' NEVER left Lebanon. "israel' still ILLEGALLY occupies Lebanese territory and it continued to invade Lebanon's air space and borders. So spare us the LIES. 'israel' never left and will never leave, hence Hezbollah. Somebody has to be at the border to prevent more land grabbing and murdering of people.

If Hezbollah wasn't there fighting for Lebanon, Lebanon would have suffered even worse casualties and more land would have been stolen from 'israel'.

This is what 'israel' does best. Murder and steal.

43

Cristopher,

Canada 06/12/2006 07:09:28

Post 40:

THere is no such thing as "kidnapping" soldiers. According to international law only CIVILIANS are kidnapped.

And 'israel' has kidnapped thousands of Arab civilians ILLEGALLY for years.

Hezbollah CAPTURED the soldiers. THey had no business being on Lebanese soil.

Hezbollah fights their own age group.

Sickening israeli 'soldiers' - more like goons - fight children and babies.

Pathetic.

44

Cristopher,

Canada 06/12/2006 07:11:38

post 40:

You're just as sad and grotesque in your racism and hatred as lyn and yeram.

45

Bern,

06/12/2006 10:01:41

#41, 42, 43, 44

What load of nonsense and lies are you spewing out?? Your friends Hezbollah aren't innocent! Their hands are smeared with blood as well. Don't tell me Israel has no rights to protect and defend itself against terrorist attacks.

You are simply too blind with hatred and prejudice!! Your many previous posts clearly expose your downright double-standard stance.

Who are you fooling? Stop living in pretence. Israel had left Lebanon since 2000. If Hezbollah were to have been dismantled and disarmed as promised by UN after Israel left, there would not have been anything like Lebanon suffering worst casualities and this summer conflict would never have taken place.

It is Hezbollah who is at fault and the root cause of problems. By initiated plotting deadly cross border attack on Israel, killing and kidnapping the soliders on 12 July, Hezbollah has become the Aggressor and Instigator. She is the real Troublemaker who PROVOKED Israel to retaliate in defence. That's how the July conflict started in the first place and Hezbollah actions had simply caused havoc for Lebanon. There is no such thing as "capturing" soldiers!

If there are Israeli planes flying over Lebanon, that's because of weapons-rockets smuggling activities by warmonger Hezbollah. The UN peacekeeping forces had failed to make any effort to stop it.

No one can deny the facts that Hezbollah and Hamas have been engaging in terrorist activities, kidnapping and shooting rockets. That are what they do best in. There's no need for you to twist my statement by making up stories of invasion, preparation.... regarding "Israel sits idle"! I was only refering to Israel reaction after being attack. That's it.

We don't have to spare you anything. The truth need to be known! Israel has every rights to arrest any issues relating to terrorist activities.

You are simply pathetic and sick in spreading racism and hatred!

46

Cristopher,

Canada 06/12/2006 17:50:24

According to International Law: Soldiers are not KIDNAPPED they are CAPTURED. THe israeli goons were on Lebanese soil. They had no business being there just like they have no business occupying Lebanese land they STOLE - all this against international law.

'israel' has KIDNAPPED thousands of children, women, and men, and foreigners - civilians not soldiers - ILLEGALLY.

No country in the world gets away with the vicious crimes that 'israel' commits - all due to the protection of the USA in the security council.

I'm not twisting your statement - YOU ARE TWISTING FACTS. 'israel' when idle, is in fact, planning illegal invasions on its neighbours with greenlight blessings from USA and Britain.

CHew on that bit of truth for a while.

Hezbollah are resistant fighters - FREEDOM fighters - as they know the history of 'israel's' deadly invasions against their country and Palestine.

Hezbollah has a RIGHT TO DEFEND their country, people, and way of life.

If 'israel' would leave Lebanon and Palestine alone, and stop killiing their children, then maybe Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn't have to acquire weapons to DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEIR PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.

But 'israel' never leaves the people alone. It is 'israel' THAT DOES THE PROVOKING.

Chew on that bit of truth for a while.

Apparently you do not understand International Law - Laws which your beloved 'israel' has broken hundreds of. I suggest you educate yourself before screaming your head off on history and facts you know nothing about.

Why don't you stop being a hypocrit and admit that you and your ilk want to rule the world by force. Why don't you stop talking about human rights and justifying 'israeli' violence in the name of 'human rights". All in all, clearly it is America and 'israel' who are the hypocrites, and people like you who support them in their depraved acts.

'israel' defend itself? From whom? The children? The defencele

47

Lynne,

USA 06/12/2006 21:08:02

On July 12,2006, the UN Security Council was scheduled to address the issue of sanctions against Iran for refusal to comply with UN demands regarding the dismatling of Iran's nuclesr programs. IT IS NO COINCIDENCE that on the same day, Hezbollah forces CROSSED the internationally RECOGNIZED border between Israel and Lebanon, KILLED 6 Israeli soldiers, and KIDNAPPED 2.
the intent was OBVIOUS,to create a diversion such that a new and unexpected emergency item (Lebanon) would displace the Iranian item from the Security Council's agenda. It was also a show of solidarity with Hamas's terrorist war on Israel's southern border.

DOESN'T TAKE A MENSA TO FIGURE IT OUT.

They were not on Lebanese soil...and you can say that 100 times any way you want..IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACTS.
Hezbollah crossed the Internationally recognized border.

48

Lynne,

USA 06/12/2006 21:20:22

Israeli troops taken hostage by Hezbollah
THE Lebanese Shia militant group Hezbollah has captured two Israeli soldiers in clashes across the Lebanese-Israeli border.
There has been heavy fighting in the area with Hezbollah firing dozens of rockets and Israel responding with tank and artillery fire, and air strikes.
Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the Hezbollah attacks as an "act of war" by Lebanon. He said anyone trying to test Israel's resolve would "pay a heavy price".
Israeli aircraft struck roads, bridges and guerrilla posts, Lebanese sources say, and there are reports of casualties.
Hezbollah said its guerrillas had destroyed an Israeli tank attempting to cross the border.
Israel says it is holding the Lebanese government responsible for the fate of the two soldiers, and demands immediate action.
Israeli ground troops have entered southern Lebanon to search for the two soldiers, local media report.
Hezbollah says it has captured the soldiers to secure the release of detainees held in Israeli prisons.
The news comes as a major Israeli offensive is under way in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli soldier was kidnapped by Palestinian militants in Israel over two weeks ago.
Overnight, Israel carried out an air strike on a Gaza City house, killing at least six people and injuring 15.

49

Lynne,

USA 06/12/2006 21:21:04

46
Care to call Scotsman a liar too? Here is there news item.

50

Lynne,

USA 06/12/2006 21:27:16

By the way Cris..you tell no truth...so chew on that for a while..

You have taken facts, or lack of facts and spun them to fit YOUR agenda..turning the truth around.

Spreading hatred is YOUR agenda.

51

Let's have the truth,

07/12/2006 00:31:01

It seems the Baker-Hamilton report may finally instill some sanity into the Israel/Palestinian situation by recognising that the root cause of anti-Americanism throughout the world is its one-sided support for Israel.

If only boy Bush could read.

52

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 01:27:30

It's not what it said..below is a fact sheet for you to peruse.

53

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 01:27:45

Fact Sheet
Iraq Study Group Goes Astray On Israel

The Iraq Study Group was tasked with assessing the situation in Iraq and the bulk of their report is devoted to their assigned topic. After more than 50 pages, however, the group deviates from its purpose and, without any analysis, improvises a number of provocative recommendations for ending the Arab-Israeli conflict that indicate little or no recognition of the causes of the dispute and the obstacles to its resolution.
The report asserts that the conflict is "inextricably linked" to the situation in Iraq. This is demonstrably false. If the conflict ended tomorrow or Israel disappeared, it would have no impact whatsoever on the situation in Iraq. The violence is based on internal political, social, economic and religious rivalries that are completely unrelated to Israel. The interjection of prescriptions for solving the Arab-Israeli conflict was apparently done to satisfy the authors' desire to weigh in on issues that were beyond its mandate.

54

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 01:28:25

The authors state that "there must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon, Syria, and President Bush's June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. This commitment must include direct talks with, by, and between Israel, Lebanon, Palestinians (those who accept Israel's right to exist), and Syria." They also assert that "political engagement and dialogue are essential in the Arab-Israeli dispute because it is an axiom that when the political process breaks down there will be violence on the ground."
In fact, the history of U.S. diplomacy suggests that engagement does not lessen violence or contribute toward the achievement of peace. Every administration has proposed a peace initiative and they all have one common trait - failure. The absence of peace is not a function of a lack of diplomatic activity or the inability to devise a formula the parties will accept; conflict continues because much of the Middle East, in particular the Islamists, refuses to accept the existence of Israel.
The report is particularly deficient in recognizing the changes in the region since the co-chairs were directly involved in policymaking. Today, the Arab-Israeli conflict no longer exists. Israel has peace or de facto peace with every state in the region. Even the most belligerent parties, Syria and Iran, are not prepared to directly engage Israel, preferring to fight through terrorist proxies. The conflict is now sustained principally by the Islamists who have no interest in negotiations and will never accept a Jewish state anywhere in the Muslim world. The failure to grasp what is the single most important factor shaping not only the conflict with Israel, but the cause of much of the instability in the region and around the world severely diminishes the value of the report.
The authors state that UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 sh

55

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 01:29:01

The report says that a negotiated peace would strengthen Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, but what evidence is there that Abbas has the power to negotiate? He cannot even control his own cabinet let alone the Palestinian Authority, so why would any Israeli believe he could fulfill any promises, especially given his failure to meet the obligations the Palestinians made to stop terror in the Oslo agreements and reiterated in their acceptance of the road map?
The recommendation to support a Palestinian national unity government contradicts the report's earlier prerequisite that negotiations take place with "those who accept Israel's right to exist." The current Palestinian Prime Minister and his Hamas party have repeatedly made clear they will never recognize Israel and remain committed to its destruction.
Given that the co-chair of the study group is James Baker, it is not surprising that the report recommends an international conference similar to the one he organized in Madrid in 1991. He considered this meeting a great feat of diplomacy, and it was in the sense that it brought parties around the table that had previously refused to meet. In terms of advancing the peace process or reaching concrete agreements, however, it was a failure. In fact, Baker and his successor's initiatives were so unsuccessful the Israelis and Palestinians ultimately resorted to secret negotiations that resulted in the Oslo accords.
Rather than seek to have meetings for the sake of the accomplishment of bringing the parties together, the focus of U.S. diplomacy needs to be on continuing to pressure the Palestinians and other Middle East states to end their support for terrorism. Negotiations cannot succeed as long as the violence continues and Israeli soldiers are held hostage.
The report's recommendation that Israel engage Syria ignores decades of diplomatic history. The United States has repeatedly engaged in negotiations with Syria and

56

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 01:35:25

The authors also makes a giant leap from stating what Syria should do in Lebanon to the recommendation that Israel should return the Golan Heights. Again, the issue of the Golan has nothing to do with Iraq. Moreover, the study's language implies that Israel has not already offered to trade the Golan for a "full and secure peace agreement." In fact, Yitzhak Rabin and his successors were prepared to make such a deal, but neither Bashar Assad nor his father were willing to end the conflict in exchange for any amount of territory. If anything, Assad has only grown more belligerent since the war between Israel and Hizballah.
In the end, the study group has produced some interesting ideas for addressing the situation in Iraq, but gone beyond their mandate to suggest irrelevant and largely untenable recommendations for addressing broader issues in the region. The conflict involving Israel is too important and complex to be relegated to a series of bullet points in a 142-page document on an unrelated topic.

57

Bern,

07/12/2006 06:10:08

#46

There is no such thing as Israel kidnapped children, women, men! The truth is, they are being arrested for engaging in illegal activities and complicited of creating trouble. Don't tell me these "civilians" caught carrying Ak47 guns or caught before detonating their suicide bombs or considered as conspirators or shooting rockets are innocent too, in that Israel should have released them with a big thank you!!

"Captured" of soldiers did not arise. Precisely, the soldiers were being kidnapped on the Israeli side of the border. What make you think Hezbollah have the right to kidnap 2 soldiers and cause all the killing of 6 soldiers?? Their brutal actions on 12 July were not justified!

It's YOU who were twisting facts! Obviously, you're trying to change or invent stories, talking of other things unrelated to this statement "Israel sits idle", when I was actually refering to how Israel would react in the event of being attacked by Hezbollah. Take out your blinker, open your eyes bigger and read my above post again!

Hezbollah aren't resistant fighters or freedom fighters. Their existence bring nothing good to Lebanon except destruction and civilian deaths, clearly evidence in the July conflict. They are the root cause of problems for being the ones attacking Israeli outpost and plotting the July conflict, consequencely causing chaos and much miseries to the Lebanese people. Lebanon would have been peaceful and progressive without this terrorist organisation. Now, they have the cheek to call for the topple of democratic elected Lebanese government.

Israel had also left Gaza since 2005. And what did Israel get in return from the Palestinians for giving up Gaza??? Oh yes, Israel was being "rewarded" with rockets shooting as well as suicide bombing from Gaza. All this while, it is the Hamas militants creating trouble and PROVOKED Israel to retaliate in defence. This explained to the

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Bern,

07/12/2006 06:14:23

Lynne

#47 Last paragraph refers.
You're very right and well said. The website address (from #40) below explained it very clearly but unfortunately, that guy from Canada is still "blind" of the truth! Rightly so, Hezbollah is the real Troublemaker!

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2006/07/29/kidnapped-in-leban...

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Cristopher,

Canada 07/12/2006 07:06:46

post 57 is having a heart attack. Poor thing. That is what you get when you spill out utter nonsense about a country you know nothing about.

Save your hysterics for the mental ward.

Your post 57 is an abomination to what the truth actually is. And there goes lyn again with her dull, super long posts from the zionist neocon files.

Here's more truth for you both to chew on:

An Israeli pilot speaks out
YONATHAN SHAPIRA
23 January 2004

I am Yonathan, one of the initiators and signatories raeli pilot's letter. Until some weeks ago I was a pilot and active leader in a squadron of "Blackhawk" helicopters in the air force. On the eve of last Yom Kippur I was called for an interview with the commander of the air force, wherein he told me that I was dismissed and that I was not a pilot anymore in the Israeli air force and all this because I announced that I will not agree to take part in obeying illegal and immoral orders.

I want to read to you two of the basic values of the Israel Defense Forces.

Human Dignity: The IDF and its soldiers are obliged to honor human dignity. Each human being should be respected, regardless of his race, creed, nationality, gender, status or his social role.

Purity of arms: The soldier will use his weapons and his might only to achieve his objective, to the degree that this is required for the purpose, and will retain his humanity even during battle. The soldier will not use his weapons and his might to hurt persons who are not fighters, or prisoners, and will do everything in his power to prevent an assault on their life, their body or their property.

Let's go back now to the night between 22 to 23 of July 2002. It is late at night, the F16 squadron is at the air force base. The crew which is on-call consists of a pilot and a navigator.

Scramble to Gaza. Waiting for the order to attack. The order is received. The bombs are dropped. Landing. Debriefing, and retu

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Cristopher,

Canada 07/12/2006 07:11:38

Fully recognized borders? WOW! what borders are we talking about??

'israel" has no borders. "israel' has never defined its borders. More lies from the creepy crawly zoinist files.

Here's more from an israeli who can actually speak the truth:

An Israeli pilot speaks out
YONATHAN SHAPIRA
23 January 2004

This is what Dan Halutz (commander of the air force) had to say about the mission: "I declare that everything taking place before the mission is justified according to my moral compass..."

And to the pilots he said: "Sleep well tonight... "you executed this mission perfectly."

We did not sleep well that night, and we continued not to sleep when:

On August 31, 2002 - when Darama was annihilated and with him 4 children.

On April 8, 2003 - when Arbid and Al-Halabi were annihilated and with them 2 children and 5 adults.

On June 10, 2003 - During an attempt to annihilate Rantisi, a girl, a woman and 5 men were killed.

On June 11, 2003 - when Abu-Nahal was annihilated and with him 2 women and 5 men.

On June 12, 2003 - when Salah Taha and with him a one-year old infant, a woman and 5 men were annihilated. And more, and more...

And also three months ago in a blitz of five attacks 2 wanted persons were wiped out and with them another 12 innocent people. Minister Effi Eitam and high officers in the IDF do not like the expression 'innocent Palestinians', they prefer to call them "bystanders". Altogether 211 persons were killed in the action, among these about half (86) onlookers.

And what kind of security did we get in return? Attacks and more attacks, we in our Apache and they in their suicide bombs, together in a dance of madness towards suicide.

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Cristopher,

Canada 07/12/2006 07:18:54

An Israeli pilot speaks out
YONATHAN SHAPIRA
23 January 2004

So we did not sleep at night and we wrote this letter:

"We, air force pilots in reserve duty, who were raised on the values of Zionism, sacrifice and contributing to the State of Israel, we have always served on the front lines, willing to perform any assignment, difficult or simple, in order to protect the State of Israel and to strengthen her.

"We, veteran pilots and active pilots together, who served and still serve the State of Israel during long weeks each year, OBJECT TO PERFORM ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL ORDERS OF ATTACKS THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL PERFORMS IN THE TERRITORIES.

"We, who were raised to love the State of Israel and to contribute to the Zionist enterprise, REFUSE TO TAKE PART IN THE ATTACKS OF THE AIR FORCE IN CONCENTRATIONS OF CIVILIAN POPULATION.

"WE, FOR WHOM THE IDF AND THE AIR FORCE ARE INSEPARABLE PARTS OF US, REFUSE TO CONTINUE AND HARM INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

"THESE ACTIONS ARE ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL AND ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE ONGOING OCCUPATION, WHICH CORRUPTS ISRAELI SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.

"THE CONTINUATION OF THE OCCUPATION DELIVERS A MORTAL BLOW TO THE SECURITY OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND TO HER MORAL STRENGTH.

=====
[Now that is what I call the truth and spoken from an israeli serving the IOF.]
=====

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Bern,

07/12/2006 09:00:36

#59, 60, 61

Having a heart attack as you said?? Wake up, I'm still here! What a childish remarks you have? You badly need pyschiatrist treatment!

How much do you know, except spewing out sheer lies, propaganda and distorting the truths! The world atlas availabe on sale in the bookstores is there for you to see that Israel has borders. So, pull your head out of the sand!

What another load of crap you spitting out over your so called Israeli pilot? How do we know your junk is authentic and not make-up story coming from devious site?? Even if this person exists, he alone does not in any way speak out for all the other servicemen and not necessarily revealed the true nature of events taken place. No doubt, there are also many others sharing different views with him.

You are particularly good at pointing fingers at Israel alone, talking about civilian casualities experienced only on the Palestinians or Lebanese side although knowing fully well that death occurs on both parties. So, how about talking of casualities involved in rocket shootings and suicide bombings happened in the bus, cafes, market place, streets.....?

I repeat: Just because more Lebanese or Palestinians are killed than Israelis does not make the Israeli casualities any less important than them. Don't just simply turn blind eyes to Israeli casualities! Both sides suffer as well.

Least to say, you aren't the right person to sit at the Court of Laws, to pass fair and reasonable judgement on others. After all you are still blind with hatred and prejudice; being very one-sided and double-standard!

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Let's have the truth,

07/12/2006 12:28:23

# 62

"After all you are still blind with hatred and prejudice; being very one-sided and double-standard!"


......... A perfect description of the average Israeli, from the talk back responses on Ynet.

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Listen Ear,

07/12/2006 12:44:58

Lynne, # 27

If the Palestinians didn't fire the odd Qassam.. Israel would have imported a few million more Jews from Russia, The USA and everywhere else to go and live on Palestinian Land..

You MUST REMEMBER

ISRAEL IS DOING THE ETHNIC CLEANSING.... Not the Palestinians

ISRAEL IS BULLDOZING Palestinian Homes...

The Palestinians just want the Israelis to send their imported immigrant Jews Home!

REMEMBER...
Al Jazeera reported the 2nd death due to Quassams.. co-incidentally, the day AlJazeera English TV went Live... Hmmmm!!! I wonder if the Israelis arranged it!

How Many INNOCENT Palestinian Women and Children have been Killed? How Many INNOCENT Lebanese Women and Children have been Killed by the Israeli's MAD RAVING BEZERK KILLING RAMPAGES so far this year???

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Listen Ear,

07/12/2006 13:30:31

Lynne #47

You mention, the soldiers were captured to delay UN Security Council discussions to address the issue of sanctions against Iran.

I doubt if this has anything to do with what Israel did!

The only record of where the Israeli Soldiers were captured is in Aitta al-Chaab, in Lebanon.

The Israeli Attack was planned by the Israelis and Agreed by the USA before the soldiers were captured.

Israel's LUNATIC BEZERK KILLING SPREE and destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure and her purposeful targeting of its civilian population was a long-planned act of genocide and revenge against Hezbullah, a voluntary militia, formed after Israel's 1982 invasion, which continued to harass the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) in southern Lebanon, finally forcing them out in 2000.

Agent France Press reported from Beirut on July 12th: "The two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbullah in Lebanese territory in the area of Aitta al-Chaab near Israel's borderÉ were to be traded for the over 9000 Lebanese prisoners long held by Israel."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

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Listen Ear,

07/12/2006 13:33:38

Christopher #61

Hopefully the next time that pilot takes off, he knows where to drop his 1,000kg bombs!

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Listen Ear,

07/12/2006 13:46:57

Bern, you seem to be in denial;

ISRAEL was Condemned by the UN Human Rights council for;

"MASSIVE VIOLATIONS of HUMAN RIGHTS"., for the "SENSELESS KILLINGS BY ISRAEL, WITH IMPUNITY, OF CHILDREN, WOMEN, THE ELDERLY" AND TO "IMMEDIATELY STOP MILITARY OPERATIONS AGAINST (THE) CIVILIAN POPULATION"

The Council agreed to set up a commission to investigate "systematic targeting and killing" of Lebanese civilians by Israel.

The resolution expressed "outrage" at "senseless killings by Israel, with impunity, of children, women, the elderly" and to "immediately stop military operations against (the) civilian population"

==============================
According to Human Rights Watch;

Israel/Lebanon: End Indiscriminate Strikes on Civilians

Some Israeli Attacks Amount to War Crimes

Israeli forces have systematically failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians in their military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.

The pattern of attacks in more than 20 cases investigated by Human Rights Watch researchers in Lebanon indicates that the failures cannot be dismissed as mere accidents and cannot be blamed on wrongful Hezbollah practices. In some cases, these attacks constitute war crimes.

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/

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Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 14:01:07

According to the UN's top human rights official, the side that sustains more fatalities is less to blame.
In an interview with The Jerusalem Post published on Friday, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour apportioned more blame to Israel than to Hizbullah for last summer's conflict.
Additionally, according to her avowed perception of the ongoing confrontations on the Gaza front, human rights abuses "were particularly acute in the occupied Palestinian territory." The Gazans' "right to life was particularly imperiled," she concluded, because of "policies and practices" related to Israel's security measures.
It must be noted that Arbour's five-day trip to Israel and the Palestinian Authority afforded her a unique opportunity to see things from the vantage point of targeted Israeli civilians in Sderot. Her visit there coincided with yet another Kassam rocket barrage, this time claiming the life of Yaakov Yaakobov, a 43-year-old fork-lift operator who couldn't reach cover quickly enough. She was taken to the plant where he was slain and where others were wounded before their blood could be mopped off.
Sderot's outraged citizenry had no patience for her skewed sanctimony. She was angrily shouted down and had to be whisked away from folks whose anguished cries gave voice to the charge that both she and the organization she represents "are against us."
Arbour should have realized that there are very raw emotions and grievances on the Israeli side.
But the impact didn't seem to deter her from the UN's routine resort to the devil's arithmetic - morality by body count. The side that sustains more fatalities is judged as more aggrieved.
Such were Arbour's calculations during her Post interview. She did berate the shelling of Israeli civilians, and she lent lip service to Israel's right to protect its population, but she averred that Israel is at fault even if civilians are acciden

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Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 14:02:45

Arbour is willfully turning a blind eye to the question of responsibility for the bloodshed -- on both sides. It should not be surprising that aggressors try to confuse the issue of responsibility by conflating attacker and defender into a morally homogeneous "cycle of violence." But the fact is that there is no predetermined or senseless "cycle of violence."
This terminology is part and parcel of Arab propaganda which the UN promotes. Its raison d'etre is to undermine Israel's moral position. This is why the UN initiates investigations into Israel's responses and not into the aggression of those who kindle the conflict in the first place.
The monstrosity of Arab aggression mushrooms unrelentingly before our eyes. As Arbour was being interviewed, Hamas sent a grandmother suicide-bomber to her death. The evil of drafting anyone - from juveniles to elderly women - to function as human-guided missiles does not seem to factor into the UN amoral arithmetic.
The UN Charter's premise cannot be escaped, no matter how present UN powers-that-be warp it.
Aggressors must be fought and self-defense is a fundamental right. The only way that Israel can be seen as the aggressor in this conflict is if our very existence is a form of aggression.
This, of course, is the open message of the jihadi forces arrayed against Israel and the West: Hamas, Hizbullah, Syria, and Iran. We are not surprised that those who want to destroy us think, act, and speak in this way. So long as the UN's idea of peace differs, and includes Israel's existence in freedom and security, then its officials need to refresh their understanding of the precepts upon which their organization was founded.
Courtesy of the Jerusalem Post.

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Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 14:03:44

#67..the above post is for you..

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Bern,

07/12/2006 14:11:34

#63

Fine, similar typical description of people like yourself and those of your ilk in this board!

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Bern,

07/12/2006 14:16:52

#67

How ignorant and naive you are? Stop living in pretence! Your beloved Hezbollah had also been condemned by Amnesty International for MASSIVE VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS, committed WAR CRIMES and SENSELESS KILLINGS as well. No difference and equally bad!! What make you think Hezbollah is any innocent without blood on their hands???

73

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 20:55:11

#72

Bern..let me clue you in as to what goes on here..there are these "people" who take every incident between Hamas, and Hezbollah and Israel..and make Israel the culprit..EVERY TIME.
Does not matter if 1 or 100 news media say just the opposite..(such as kidnapping jewish soldiers)..it is the Jewish soldiers who were wrong.
It is the Zionists who are evil, it is the people of Israel who are bad because they built a wall to protect themselves from suicide bombers..(even thought bombings are down over 90%).
No matter how many cease fires, no matter how many truces..they want you to believe that shelling that constantly hits Israel,..is Israel'sfault.
You can tell them to read books to get the history of all this, and you can point out every war between Arab and Jew was started by Arabs (5 of them)..it is still Israel's fault.
I know how frustrating this gets. You feel like you are banging your head against a wall..
My advice..just keep posting, and don't listen to these morons, who honestly believe you and I , and who ever else stands up for Israel, is being paid by "the Zionists"..THAT'S THE MENTALITY YOU ARE DEALING WITH!!!

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James Donald,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 21:32:03

#73. Lynne, USA - you are eaqually blinkered in that for you Israel can do no wrong. I cannot speak for any other posters but I can see the faults on both sides yet i have not read one word of criticism of Israel from you. That's what leads some people to believe you are a Zionist Propagandist, Israeli apologist or whatever.

75

Lynne,

USA 07/12/2006 22:06:11

I never said Israel can do no wrong...but all I read is twisted, turned around lies.
Someone has to stand up for her. I don't care if anyone thinks I am an Israeli apologist, Zionist Propaganist...It's just a name. It still doesn't mean that past history can be changed, or facts can be changed.
So every time a lie is told, expect the Israeli apologists, Zionist propagandists or whatever to speak up.

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Listen Ear,

07/12/2006 23:59:20

Lynne# 73.. Bern #72

Israeli Soldiers and Airmen Killed over 1,400 Innocent People in Lebanon.. When they could have exchanged prisoners without a shot being fired. They fired 1.2 MILLION CLUSTER BOMBS Indiscriminantly at CIVILLIAN AREAS in Lebanon.

Israeli Soldiers have and Airmen Slaughtered over 400 Innocent Palestinians in the past few months, Bulldozed dozens of homes, Bombed their water and power facilities.

And who was the Culprit? Winnie the Poo? Bugs Bunny?

77

Listen Ear,

08/12/2006 00:04:59

Bern..

I don't personally Know a Single Hezbollah Person.

I can read and see what Israel is doing to Innocent People in Lebanon and Palestine...

Just so they can steal their Land and Water!


Face it.. The Game is up..

Even the USA is turning Against Israel.. pretty soon, the US will turn their back on you in shame and disgust at the most dispicable country on this planet.

78

Listen Ear,

08/12/2006 00:10:01

Lynne there are many decent Israelis and Jewish people around the world.

They do not deserve to be tarnished as Mass Murderers, ethnic cleansing, assasinations, killing babies, Children, Women.

People need to stand up for what is good about Israel and their people and at the same time condem the atrocities the Government is inflicting on innocent people.

79

Listen Ear,

08/12/2006 00:16:50

Lynne..

If you follow events in Palestine carefully, you will find that Israel is usually the one that breaks the ceasefire by trying to assasinate a Hammas member.. but woops, they missed and killed his family or innocent by-standers, or accidentally shelled a family on the beach., by going in and arresting dozens more Palestinians, Government Ministers and Lawmakers, By Bulldozing People's homes.

Are you not ashamed that you support the SLAUGHTER of innocent Babies, Children, Teenagers, Mums and Dads.. Support the Israelis stealing their land through Ethic Cleansing?

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Lynne,

USA 08/12/2006 00:30:24

# I am not ashamed of anything..Were you ashamed of the Palestinians when they blew up a hotel on Passover?
Were you ashamed when they got on abus filled with school children?
Were you ashamed when they bombed a disco and Pizzaria?

When will you be ashamed?
Are you ashamed that after a cease fire they shell homes in Sderot?
What are you ashamed of?

81

P.K,

08/12/2006 01:49:40

Listen Ear

Open your eyes bigger and your ears wider!!!

Get real! No need to ask questions on how many deaths. Figure isn't important here. What matter most is --- STOP shooting rockets, strapping bomb belt onto human body into becoming suicide bomber, kidnapping, engaging in illegal activities.....

If the Palestinians continue to behave this way as to cause trouble, then STOP complaining of civilian casualities. After all they ask for it!

On Lebanon: It was Hezbollah who started the war in the first place and thus, they are fully responsible for the death of their own people, knowing pretty well that war causes lives! They are the ones at fault and their plot of July conflict led to destruction of Lebanon and death of innocents. Blame on your Warmonger Hezbollah!!

Read more articles to improve yourself.
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2006/07/29/kidnapped-in-leban...

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Bern,

08/12/2006 06:39:29

#64

Your issue on "stolen lands" is already very old, tiresome and stale!!! Go read Dilbert's posts to learn more and improve yourself.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1610632006

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Bern,

08/12/2006 07:00:11

#76, #78

P.K was absolutely correct. No use making a big fuss over whatsoever figures you have, whining and counting death bodies! What is most important is - who is the perpetrator, the real troublemaker creating all these problems? It's none others except these known terrorist groups ---> Hezbollah and Palestinian militants. There would be no raids and arrests if these groups are willing to live peacefully side by side and recognise Israel right to exist.

To say the least, your beloved Hezbollah are a bunch of murderers. They also used cluster bombs and are guilty of killings! They committed atrocities against their own people by initiating the July conflict and shooting rockets. Israel was being forced to retaliate back in defence. There's always a big price to pay for killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

Anyway, civilian deaths are of NO BIG CONCERN to the Hezbollah. They are only greedy for power, making use of Lebanon as rocket launching pad and to serve the interest of their masters in Iran and Syria. What more, they are now plotting to overthrow the Lebanese elected government!!

As I said earlier at #38: they made no effort to avoid civilian casualities and instead, used civilians as human shields as well as storing weapons and rockets in residential areas. #Every civilian killed is a propaganda war victory for them. They use civilian casualties as a weapon to attract world sympathy against Israel.

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Bern,

08/12/2006 07:03:21

#77

Who are you fooling, to say US is turning against Israel? Wake up and face the reality! Sandy of USA was right to say all the past American Presidents right to the present ones until today have all this while been supportive of Israel. It's a fact.

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Bern,

08/12/2006 07:05:42

#79

Shelling a family on a beach? Get your facts right!

http://camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&a...

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Stephanie,

Toronto, Ontario 08/12/2006 07:29:04

The Truth About Israel:

Some of the World's Largest Reserves Of Oil Sit In The Gulf States.
Geologists Speculate That Iraq's Oil Reserves May Be Even Larger Than Thought.

Marines Are Dying For Israel

There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), and Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. We are fighting and dying to kill the Zionists' enemies, not ours.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates are already under Israel-friendly governmental control. Iraq is being brutalized to bring them under pro-Israel control, and Iran and Syria are the next in line.

Israel formulated the Iran-Iraq war, and weakened both of them. Israel brought in the US to eliminate all resistance, and install Israeli puppets.

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Stephanie,

Toronto, Ontario 08/12/2006 07:32:07

What Israel Fears The Most.

Most individual Muslims despise Israel, but Israel controls their leaders. The possibility of a strong and focused leader emerging, that could unite the Muslims, throw out the puppets in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and take back their oil wealth... ***petrifies world Zionism.***

A true leader, with control of the world's oil, could crush Bush, and Blair, in an instant. With an ounce of cunning, and intelligence, they could focus the world's eyes on Israel as the ultimate pariah.

This leader could buy a movie studio, a cable channel, and an internet news system. Expose Israel's false flags, and even set up a few of their own.

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Stephanie,

Toronto, Ontario 08/12/2006 07:35:03

If an Arab leader funded a movie about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, it would set Israel back 200 years.

A few movies showing Israeli intrigue and brutality. A World War Two movie showing the Zionist role behind the conflict. One about the Bolshevik revolution, and the murder of the Romanovs.

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Stephanie,

Toronto, Ontario 08/12/2006 07:36:47

When I say 200 years I am exaggerating, as Israel did not exist 200 years ago. Hence, the meaning of what I said: Israel would cease to exist if the Americans knew the truth about Israel.

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P.K,

08/12/2006 08:41:40

#86-89

Your posts are clearly overloaded with hatred and prejudice!!! What silly and childish remarks are you spouting out - "Marines are dying for Israel, Iraq is being brutalized to bring them under Israel control, Israel formulated the Iran-Iraq war, Israel controls Muslim leaders......."

What nonsense are you talking about??? Your childish imagination and guessing kiddy games won't fool any sensible people here. How convenient it is for you to make Israel a scapegoat and blame her for everythings?

Envy of Israel having Arab friends? Get used to it! Israel is here to stay for a long, long time.

No WMDs as you alleged? Another rubbish from you!!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=...

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P.K,

08/12/2006 08:54:01

Lynne

Very well said at #73. The PA-Hezboo stooges are all hypocrites and highly biased toward Israel. They take every oppportunity to attack Israel (who was just defending herself after being attacked) while turning blind eyes on crimes committed by Hezbollah and Palestinian factions.
And should there be civilian casualities, the same people are quick to blame Israel pretending not to know who the real culprits are, starting all the trouble initially.

Like one reader said:- There's a bunch of vultures sitting on the branch of a tree waiting patiently for the word "Israel" or "Jews" to appear in the paper. As soon as it does, they scoot down and peck away at it!


 

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