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Published Date: 24 July 2008
EIGHT hundred bicycles would be available in the city centre and Leith for people to hire under £2.8 million plans announced today.
The initiative, based on similar schemes on the Continent, would initially focus on the trams route, but could later be extended to the New Town, Stockbridge, Marchmont and Merchiston with up to 2500 bikes in operation.

Bikes would be available to rent from secure docking stations, with payments only accepted by credit card, which would deter vandalism as users could be traced.

If the Edinburgh scheme mirrored examples in other cities, the first 30 minutes would be free with charges then rising by around £2 an hour. There would also be a small subscription fee to help cover running costs. It is unlikely helmets would be provided.

A £20,000 study has estimated a demand in the Capital for 12,000 individual bike hires per day from a mix of students, tourists, commuters and office workers.

Councillors are now set to call in external consultants to help draw up a business plan, which will focus on ways to raise the £2.8m set-up costs. Options will include advertising on the docking stations, sponsorship of the bicycles, and financial assistance from developers involved in the Leith Docks regeneration plans.

Marshall Poulton, the council's head of transport, said: "The results of the feasibility study show an appetite for a bike sharing scheme for Edinburgh.

"The idea certainly fits in well with our local transport strategy which is being implemented to improve the transport mix in the city in a sustainable way.

"There are significant cost implications associated with such a scheme. It is not realistic to assume these costs could be fully borne by the council.

"The next stage of work will be to look at how such a scheme would be implemented."

The study analysed 15 European schemes, including ones in Brussels, Paris and Barcelona. The Brussels scheme is the cheapest – £1.60 for up to three hours' hire – while Paris is the most expensive at £12 for the same period.

Dave du Feu, a spokesman for cycling lobby group Spokes, today urged the council to press ahead with the plans "hard and fast", though he said: "The overall cost is very high in relation to the amount of money spent on cycling in Scotland.

"The council has to look at (raising money through] advertising very carefully, and shouldn't turn it down out-of-hand.

"It's really important that if bikes are being offered to visitors, then the cycle routes have to be as welcoming and safe as possible."

Bike sharing was part of the Conservative's local election manifesto, and the new study was carried out on the back of a motion from group leader Iain Whyte.

He said today: "I'm delighted that this is moving in the right direction, and I hope the council will continue to do the research.

"I came across a bike station scheme in Lyon and they managed to do it without a huge injection of public cash – it was mainly paid for through advertising. Hopefully we can make this cost-effective, as it will be very useful for people living and working in Edinburgh, as well as tourists."


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  • Last Updated: 24 July 2008 12:28 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Pond Hall,

24/07/2008 12:07:41
Tourists on Bikes in Edinburgh, they'd have to be off their heads.
2

Richard Mcl,

24/07/2008 12:11:19
Just what we need more bikes clogging up the streets, shooting red lights and cycling on the pavements.

What are the bets that after a month all the bikes will be locked up at the bottom of the hills and none left at the top?
3

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:18:43
They seem to manage in Paris.

http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue34/issue34page4.html

And Lyon. And Brussels. And Copenhagen.

Looks hard though, probably right, best not to try anything. We can't really expect to be as good at anything as any other cities.

Argh! Change! Kill it!
4

Artemis,

24/07/2008 12:21:30
Fantastic idea. The more bikes are on the roads, the safer we all are.

5

Richard Mcl,

24/07/2008 12:27:52
#4 - they manage in Copenhagen because the streets have been designed with wide cycle lanes that do not get in the way of traffic
6

Artemis,

24/07/2008 12:28:30
Bikes ARE traffic.
7

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:30:21
I gave up cycling due to the danger. Sharing Greenways with buses is not conducive to safe travel.

It should also be noted that Edinburgh is a hilly city and not ideal for cycling unless you are reasonably fit. Presumably the bikes will have lots of gears? I don't think the ones on the continent do!
8

M33,

24/07/2008 12:32:14
I didn't actually bother to read the article but it's a really stupid idea, a waste of taxpayers money, the Council should be sacked etc
9

Epicuras,

24/07/2008 12:35:57
there are already commercial bike hire shops in edinburgh so why, when services are being slashed, do we have to spend/risk large sums of public money on this scheme?
I'm all for a bike hire scheme/network of bike stands, but put it out to tender - let the private sector take the risk and the council can charge business rates - same new 'service', no risk or cost to the public purse and the council could actually make a profit without doing anything.
get rid of the consultants and use yer brains for once edinburgh council
10

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:38:18
#4 Paris is 'flat' compared to Edinburgh Leith.

Might as well just get the bikes from the Polis Lost Property site to save a few hundred thousand pounds of tax-payers money. Or is this all part of a plan to subsidise local bicycle shops?

Doesn't the council already use out money to pay it's staff to ride bikes?

Why not just give em a free but pass - also the councillors.
11

Steven P,

edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:40:47
More external consultants hired to bleed the council of funds.
Are Mr Poulton's transport department staff so inept and lazy that they are unable to produce a business plan of their own. What the hell do they do all day?
12

bananaman,

edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:40:56
Statsman, I assume you are carrying a few extra pounds around if Edinburghs 'hills' scare you. You should eat less pork pies mate, get some exercise.
13

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

24/07/2008 12:41:27
they will be obselete once the trams are up & running
14

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

24/07/2008 12:42:08
Go to hell, 14.
15

SS,

24/07/2008 12:46:14
I like this idea a lot but it will never last. It works well on the European mainland because these cities are geared up for bikes generally speaking. They also have better weather, better topography and, broadly speaking, more respectful citizens. I also fully expect, given that this is the UK, that proces will be prohibitively high and a taxi ride cheaper.

Moreover, it will only take a tourist to have a nasty accident in the shared bus/cycle/taxi lanes before it'll get binned.

On the point about free bus passes for tourists - I think that is a cracking idea. On arrival in most hotels in Basel, Switzerland, thehotel gives the guest a free tram/bus pass for citywide travel. Works brilliantly.
16

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 12:49:17
As long as they're penny-farthings, this idea is cool.
17

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 12:49:49
I think cyclists are all pervo - why else would they want to mount the pavement on a regular basis?
18

Artemis,

24/07/2008 12:53:52
I'm going to hire one every day and ride it around in front of Gorgie_Tony's bus.
19

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 12:53:53
#6 Richard, and Paris, Lyon and Brussels?

The biggest problem isn't the hills, it isn't the facilities, it's a simple lack of respect between ALL road usersno matter what transport method. Riding in Paris I had drivers looking ahead and slowing to let me in when the bus/bike lane had works in it. Young guys, old folk, anyone.

Lyon is the same, despite being a massive city (with a couple of ruddy great hills to boot (#11 Mallory), heading up to the Croix Rousse easily matches a trundle from Leith to the centre of town).
20

calum,

24/07/2008 12:57:02
#14 You're talking nonsense. Because of zealots like David Harrington and Spokes, there is already tacit agreement with the crackpot Directors of TIEthat cycles will be able to be carried on the trams!! Ah, I can smell the sweaty Lycra on cyclists now!
21

foz,

24/07/2008 12:58:00
Er this is Edinburgh If its not bolted, welded encased in concrete it gets nicked.
22

John south of Soutra,

24/07/2008 12:58:03
#5 - Fantastic idea. The more bikes are on the roads, the safer we all are.

Tell that to the family of ther girl down south who was knocked down and killed by the clown who cycled straight into shouting get out of the way I'm not changing direction - yeah we'll all be really save with guys liek him on the road, and it's only a matter of time before it happens here
23

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 13:02:39
They should be coin-operated, and explode when the allotted time has expired.
24

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 13:03:15
That way, they'd be no use to thieves.
25

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:03:19
#23 That guy was an idiot (though if you read the court report he was on the road and the contradictory stories of the kids make it sound like a prank gone horrifically wrong - ever had kids push each other in your way for a joke?) but the reason it was news is because people dying in such circumstances is very rare. On average 3 people every two years (gov. stats easily available).

I presume you are calling for there to be less cars on the road? Their death toll is, well, just a little bit higher...

#22 foz - at the risk of sounding like Monty Python after my #20, the two things stopping this being a success are a lack of respect, and neds....
26

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:03:56
#25 - Brilliant idea!
27

Hector the Red,

24/07/2008 13:07:31
"Councillors are now set to call in external consultants to help draw up a business plan, which will focus on ways to raise the £2.8m set-up costs"

Easy, make all cyclists pay some form of road tax, oh! and definately third party insurance is a must!
28

Artemis,

24/07/2008 13:08:09
#23 In 2005, 671 pedestrians were killed in road accidents in Great Britain. I can't find more recent figures. People being killed by cyclists is very, very rare, which is why it makes the news. People being killed by motor vehicles, however - hundreds every year.
29

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:12:02
#28 Hector

But why should cyclists have to pay 'road' tax when no-one else does? Oh. You mean VED? That thing that doesn't get ring-fenced for the roads at all but labours under a misnomer that creates a perceived right to be on the road ahead of anyone else?

http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue29/issue29page13.html

(and yes, I do have insurance, it comes with my home and contents insurance when I listed the bikes)
30

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

24/07/2008 13:12:15
haggis also explode when there allotted time has expired, proof that coin operated things dont work forever. Prince Harry told me
31

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:13:19
#4 - yep, just back from a week in Paris - saw racks and racks of their grey municipal bikes all around the place. Unfortunately, most of them were locked into their racks and the odd ones seen in use were invariably on footways and pedestrian precincts. #11 - did Cambridge not try a free scheme using old bikes from the police pound, painted a hideous colour so nobody would nick them? - Ah, you're ahead of me!
But, as #21 points out, given the goolie-hold that the bicycle brigade zealots like Harrington, Du Feu and Spokes have on Das Kooncil, stand by for another waste of £2.8M of taxpayers money.
32

Boy Wonder,

24/07/2008 13:14:18
"EIGHT hundred bicycles would be available in the city centre and Leith for people to hire"

EIGHT hundred bicycle thefts will be reported in city centre and Leith soon after!
33

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 13:14:32

#29 you are not comparing like for like. If car drivers jumped red lights and went merrily along the pavement, we'd all be dead. It's a bit like comparing airgun deaths with shotgun deaths, and not helpful. Cyclists are generally obnoxious middle class weirdoes.

Cars= good
Planes= good
Taxis= good
Buses = good
Space shuttles= good

Trams = bad
Cyclists = the worst of the lot
34

John south of Soutra,

24/07/2008 13:15:13
I see all the cyclists are out in force defending themselves, what I am saying is that this guy could have avoided the group of teenagers but he chose not to, how many car drivers would purposely drive into a group of pedestrians.
Whether you like it or not there are a hell of a lot of ignorant cyclists on the road who pay no heed to the highway code and carry on as if they are competing in their own personal tour de france
As for trying to compare the numbers killed in road traffic accidents, don't so stupid, of course more poeple will be killed by cars the bigger heaveir and go faster, but car drivers don't deliberately drive into people
35

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

24/07/2008 13:15:57
25.

"People being killed by cyclists is very, very rare"?

36

The cook,

24/07/2008 13:16:41
#29 whoah...there are a fair amount of accidents caused by bleedin bikes mounting the pavement and whizzing round corners. If a near miss happens to me or my parents one more time I won't be responsible for my actions (that is if I can catch them). I absolutely abhorr this practice.. If the bike rider thinks it is too dangerous on the roads then he/she can just walk and get a bus. I wish there was more could be done to bring them to justice but they are always too fast.
37

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:17:48
#32 Thomas

Absolutely right, and you know who cares about cyclists on pavements and stuff over there? No-one. It's a difference in culture, joie-de-vivre and laissez-faire are French phrases for a reason (erm, they're in French for one), whereas whingeing and moaning are feats of British ingenuity.

And #34 Jed

Interestingly (at least, I find this interesting) more pedestrians, ON THE PAVEMENT, are killed every year by cars than are killed in ten years by bikes.
38

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 24/07/2008 13:17:52
"£2.8m set-up costs"

If this money was spent on more off-road cycle lanes, more people would buy a buy of their own choice, suitable for their cycling style, height, etc.
39

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 24/07/2008 13:18:43
Corrcted version:

"£2.8m set-up costs"

If this money was spent on more off-road cycle lanes, more people would buy a bike of their own choice, suitable for their cycling style, height, etc.
40

Anth,

Edinbrgh 24/07/2008 13:19:35
#37 Cookie

Do you think the same thing of vehicles that create 'near misses'? I agree absoutely that bikes should be on the road, and it's a practice I also abhor, but you're still more likely to be hit by a car (anecdote aside).
41

NorT,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:19:42
If Iain Whyte likes it then it must be a no brainer.
42

Maree B,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:23:48
Number 22 - never a truer word was spoken. I can't believe they are considering it for this very reason. They'll last 5 minutes.

35 & 34, I cycle to work every day. And I've had more near misses from other cyclists than cars. So it's not just pedestrians that suffer, bad cyclists give good cyclists a bad name. Not ALL cyclists are bad. And all cyclists DON'T stick together.

You use zero brainpower when you sterotype.
43

The cook,

24/07/2008 13:24:49
following on from #37
And remember if a cyclist bumps into someone who is elderly (could be your mum, dad, granny etc) then they have less chance of recovering properly. They also find it harder to dodge the blighters in the first place. If I drive my car I make that choice and I have a certain chance of a bad accident. But if I walk on a pavement I should not expect traffic (cyclists are traffic) to come racing at me or flying round a blind corner....I'd jail them for six months as standard but I know that is not ever going to happen!
44

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:27:16
My view on pavement cycling (may be too reasoned for here, but you never know).

http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue35/issue35page25.html
45

The cook,

24/07/2008 13:28:20
#41 - if I take care crossing a road then I made the choice by following the highway code and my chances are reduced. I cannot also take the same care when walking on a pavement if a cyclist who is breaking the law, is going to come flying round a blind corner. I can;t see round corners and you can't hear them like cars. You can't compare the two.
46

Journalistic licence,

In the bike lane 24/07/2008 13:30:50
This is ridiculous cos if everyone takes it up no-one will use the trams.
47

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 13:32:50

#38 - I don't doubt that for a second. What I am saying is that comparing bikes v cars in accidents is not comparing like for like, and is a waste of time.

As a pedestrian, non-driver and bus user I can honestly say that I see irresponsible cyslist behaviour every single day in Edinburgh. It's a middle-class epidemic. Cyclists are a pest.

But #43 is right, not all of them. Just 98% of them.

The self righteous cyclist defences and skewed statistics are fine, but your best defence, bike folks, would be to GET OFF THE PAVEMENT AND ACT LIKE ADULTS
48

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:37:22
#46 Cook

You're right, you can't.

A cyclist has no benefit of a cage around him so will be less likely to actually want to hit anyone for fear of coming off as badly or worse. Fortunately this also gives him better visibility and better stopping and dodging ability.

Again, I'm not condoning the practice because bikes simply shouldn't be there. But often the 'luck' of not hitting someone on the pavement was nothing of the sort. The majority of the time it's simply the cyclist in control of the bike.

I've written at length that cyclists are saints:
http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue27/issue27page15.html

And that drivers aren't that bad:
http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue26/issue26page7.html

As I've said upthread, it really does need more of a general respect between absolutely everyone - something which our society doesn't seem to want these days, preferring them and us and the 'them' side naturally being in the wrong because they're not us.

This morning, for the first time ever in years commuting by bike, a driver DELIBERATELY swerved at me. I reported it to the police. Do I think ALL drivers are homicidal maniacs because of this? Nah. Because it simply can't be said that a person IS their transport choice.

For what it's worth I also love driving and love cars (not as unusual as you might think for a cyclist) and if anything I do more wrong in the car than on the bike. In the saddle I stop at all red; avoid pavements; use lights etc. In the car I'll break the speed limit at least once a journey, but the law-breaking in the car is simply socially acceptable. The numbers of people dying on our roads that we put up with as 'one of those things' is startling and depressing.
49

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:39:06
That should be cyclists "aren't" saints above.

And Jed, please, stereotypical tar-brushing adds nothing. I'll bet if you put your mind to it you'd see irresponsible car driving every day as well, the difference being you're willing to accept that.
50

Epicuras,

24/07/2008 13:44:03
#47 no one's going to use the trams anyway - 85% of edinburgh still opposed to them and growing daily - just a £550 million white elephant
51

The Hallucinist,

24/07/2008 13:47:20
#48 You spout a load of sh*te.

"It's a middle-class epidemic"...utter garbage. Some people cycle because it saves money. Some people cycle because it provides good exercise.

I cycle over 100 miles per week and what a great buzz I get.

Get back to your pathetic,paranoid, little working class life and stop wasting people's time posting thick comments!!
52

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 13:55:18
I cycle over 48,000 miles every day. And that's just during the working week.
53

Maree B,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 13:57:09
Some pavements are actually half cycle lanes and half footpaths. One in particular at Roseburn. It is always cluttered with pedestrians, even though it's painted cycle path brown with bicycle pictures on it for those that are really uncertain what it means (!) yet I've had a woman with her pram tell me to get off the bike path and go on the road.

Pedestrians hate cyclists on footpaths. Cyclists hate pedestrians on specifically designated cycle paths. (which are there for the safety of the cyclist to avoid getting hit by cars) Car drivers hate pedestrians and cyclists. The same car drivers when they're pedestrians hate cars and cyclists. The same car drivers and pedestrians ride a bike...and so it goes on.

Most of us have been a driver, cyclist and a pedestrian...as many bloggers have already said, it's about respecting each other, differences in culture, in attitude and about deciding whether you just try to get on and provide the respect and space for each other, or just continue to whinge.

Perhaps if more people here took up cycling instead of drinking their brains out and vomiting them over the pavement the next day (for the pedestrians to walk in) it'd be better for everyone. But hey, we could all try and be nicer to each other as well, look out for each other instead of trying to run each other over.
54

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24/07/2008 13:57:32
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56

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:04:55
Some of these comments are actually making me feel a sense of deep despair.
57

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

24/07/2008 14:22:38
57.

You mean you don't find comments like number 55's hilarious?
58

Wingman,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:24:23
Edinburgh is famous for being built on 7 HILLS !! there is a wee clue on there suitability here..
59

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

24/07/2008 14:26:07
No, that's Rome.
60

Wingman,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:27:20
61-- do some research !!
61

Georgy Pordgy,

Outside 24/07/2008 14:33:49
# 54 "Perhaps if more people here took up cycling instead of drinking their brains out and vomiting them over the pavement the next day (for the pedestrians to walk in) it'd be better for everyone."

Please do tell me I'm curious - whats getting p87sed have to do with cycling?? I just can't for the life of me see the connection - Unless you a tea total evangelist and thought you'd sneek that one in on the back of 'cycling'
62

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 14:43:13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome
63

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 14:46:35

#50 I see cars jump red lights now and then, nowhere near as much as cyclists do. I've never been hit by a car on the pavement, but I've been run into by a pavement cyclist. Maybe the council, if they can ban smokimg, can ban pavement cyclism? It's only fair.

#54 Having difficulty following your argument - are you saying that all non-cyclists are busy vomiting? Have you been smoking the wacky baccy?
64

Wingman,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 14:47:42
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The capital of Scotland is traditionally said to have been "built on Seven Hills",
65

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 14:49:54

Is Jenny Mcarthur on her day off? The place isn't the same without her well informed commentary.
66

Maree B,

24/07/2008 14:52:11
63

Just another Edinburrian hazard 63...chill. Go order another one.
67

Maree B,

24/07/2008 14:56:12
65

No just highlighting the 'whinge binge' culture in this country that makes it difficult for people to live alongside each other here. If they're not doing one, it's the other. Bikes, cars, pedestrians...they all have one common factor - us. If we got better at the good stuff, there'd be less of the bad stuff.
68

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:01:52

#69 - if you buy hydroponics equipment you might get better at the good stuff.

Me, I prefer ten pints and a kebab.
69

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:03:51

#71

Leith Hill
John Gibson Hillock
The mound
The Stockbridge Mountain
The News Steps
70

Rv2!,

24/07/2008 15:06:11
If they do this the bikes should have obvious number plates and be fully traceable back to the renter, via the Credit Card.

There should also be a system for reporting abuse of road regulations or pavements. Since we can't fully police it outselves, I'd expect a system that tots-up offences to end up in higher rental costs or a ban from the system.

All bikes should have number plates and be rsponsible for their actions. Probably 80% of the time I see a bike at a junction/traffic light they slow down, check it's clear and cycle on through the red light. This is not acceptable. I had one cut across me the other day, he was very lucky to be missed by inches. Cyclists are dangerous and cause accidents, they need monitored.
71

Maree B,

24/07/2008 15:07:41
73

Oh that was your work near the bus stop at Haymarket station? You need to learn to chew more.
72

antifa,

24/07/2008 15:10:42
"I see cars jump red lights now and then, nowhere near as much as cyclists do."

Rubbish. I see cars jump red lights every single day of the week.

"Maybe the council, if they can ban smokimg, can ban pavement cyclism?"

They don't need to: it's already banned. Also, someone should tell you: smoking isn't banned.

Anyway, this is clearly a good and positive idea so, Edinburgh being Edinburgh, there will be a significant minority who oppose it.
73

Anth,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 15:28:29
Serious offer to anyone who reckons '80% of cyclists' go through red lights, and so on.

Next Tuesday (29th July) I'm going to be at the Tollcross Junction, since it's a busy route for both cars and cyclists. I'll just be looking out for law-abiding and law-breaking by both sides. I actually have no idea what I'll find, but it's all for another article in citycycling.co.uk. I'll be there from 8am to 8.45am, and if anyone wants to independently view what's going on you're more than welcome to say hello.

I look like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/304216765/in/set-72157604061674694/

I'll have this beside me:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/2433373475/in/set-72157604061476710/

I'll be the one with the camera and notebook. My name is Anthony Robson and I don't bite - I'm more than happy to have a 'reasoned' discussion with anyone.

To that end as well, if anyone wants to meet up at a cyclist 'blackpspot' drop me a line at anth@citycycling.co.uk and we can meet up, or I can at least go and see where you point out.

I know from having offered things like this before that those who hate cyclists never take it up (for fear of being proved wrong?), but I'm nothing if not stubborn in this attempt.
74

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/07/2008 15:34:12
I agree.
75

newboy,

24/07/2008 15:34:13
Artemis,
traffic is identified as vehicles, with a mot,insurance,road tax and qualified driver,

bikes have none of the above and therefore should be banned from all roads

BIKE SHOULD BE BANNED , NOT INTRODUCED

has to be the most childish stupid idea ive ever heard for edinburgh
76

Council Insider,

Council HQ 24/07/2008 15:34:35
I'm not giving up my gas guzzling 4x4 and my free parking space. No way!
77

Jenny MacArthur,

24/07/2008 15:37:07
I love it when morons talk about bikes "clogging up the streets" when they take about a twentieth of the road space of the selfish gits sitting alone in their pollution-spewing cars! Just how short-sighted can moronic motorists get?!!!
78

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:41:30
#80

Better still, see if the EEN will take up your story.
79

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:42:41

Jenny - I can see the foam from here - are you at a foam party or is your mouth a bit frothy the day?
80

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:46:18

#85 Jenny MacArthur - have you tried electroconvulsive therapy? It won't make you any less dense, but it might cheer you up.

By the way, all the hot air you produce on these threads has now killed 6 inuits, two polar bears, melted ten icebergs, and caused a small tremor in Bruntsfield.
81

Artemis,

24/07/2008 15:46:59
#83 - whose definition of traffic is that? Your own?

No vehicles are liable for road tax; it was abolished decades ago. Bikes are zero rated for Vehicle Excise Duty (which is probably what you mean by road tax) because they do not have engines and do not cause pollution. Hybrid cars are also zero rated. Are you suggesting they should be banned because their owners don't pay VED on them? There is no legal requirement for bikes to have MOTs but any responsible cyclist ensures their bike is kept in good repair, so as not to endanger their own life. Many cyclists are insured, either through their general household insurance, or through a cycling organisation. And many cyclists have driving licences.

So what's your point?
82

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 15:53:43

I'm off down to the pound shop at st james centre - i don't know what i'll find there, but you can bet there will be Colgate toothpaste with arabic writing, and big tins of soup.

Feel free to say hello. My names Joseph (aka Jedi) Smith. I don't bite, I don't puke, I don't look like the singer out of Del Amitri. I'll be wearing a black Harrington jacket, Levi sta-press, monkey boots and a pork-pie hat. yeh?
83

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:15:00

Jenny McArthur's off to the Irate Emporium for to get:

a packet of Angry Biscuits
a bottle of Furious Cola
a bunch of Mental Bananas
a box of Sugar Coated Temper Pops

and last but not least...

six dozen packets of shoutey sweets
84

Jed Smith,

MOSCOW 24/07/2008 16:16:51

Could Jenny be a COINTELPRO stooge?
85

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 24/07/2008 16:18:27
It is time we have a bike lane on the city bypass . Vote Labour .
86

blackley,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 16:18:54
This is a fantastic idea and well done to the council for once for some sensible thinking. i can foresee problems of course as accidents will happen and people can be litigious these days.
87

Georgy Pordgy,

Outside 24/07/2008 16:29:40
"A £20,000 study has estimated a demand in the Capital for 12,000 individual bike hires per day from a mix of students, tourists, commuters and office workers."

I'm surprised it was as little as that - 20 grand for a study, seems like the council are doing thing on the cheap now..
88

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 16:54:32

#98

Space Hoppers
Pogo Sticks
Stickle Bricks
Wee Magazines
DUKW Arnmoured Car
Gloria Hunniford
Wasps
Pound Shop DVDs
The Maastricht Treaty
George Harrison solo triple vinyl LP
A Saturday Afternoon in 1976

The list is endless
89

BIGDOUGS,

DUNBAR 24/07/2008 16:54:49
800 bikes ..........crazy!!!
What about competency, insurance, elf'n'safety etc etc. Are these people even fit to cycle???
Seven Hills in the town, every one a bit of a hallenge.
Surely there have been enough near accidents and accidents with these rickshaw clowns pedalling like hell, grosssly overloaded, with questionnable brakes and absolutely no road sense.

someone get a grip!!
90

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24/07/2008 17:07:39
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91

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 17:10:59
When are they going to do the same with motorbikes?
92

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24/07/2008 17:22:06
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93

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 17:33:21


#101 elf safety? presumably they will be provided with a wee stepladder to help them get on the bike.
94

Jed Smith,

Moscow 24/07/2008 17:47:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOHhV1EFe4
95

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 18:04:24
#30 Anth

What is the maximum liability your insurance will accept if you injure someone with your bicycle? Or are you just insured against theft?
96

john3,

24/07/2008 18:05:33
Let us hope they do not put the bike where the idiot in Princes Street did this afternoon. Pity he will not read this. On the post where the scaffolding by Romanes is, where the bus passengers board and wheel and handlebar blocking access to bus to public endangerment.
97

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 18:06:37
#107

Brilliant vid
98

The Super Woofer,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 18:20:56
If David Cameron can get his bike chored whilst heading out for groceries and not have it found and returned, what chance have the ordinary public who rent one of these have if they find themselves in a similar predicament? A nasty visa bill beckons for them...
99

Mist001,

Marseille 24/07/2008 20:30:14
Bike stations are a good idea but really in Edinburgh, I think it's a bad idea because it'll work out far too expensive.

Early every Saturday and Sunday morning, the bikes wheels will have been kicked and buckled, tyres punctured and so on, making them unuseable and the council will have to keep on buying new wheels for the bikes.

In my view, Edinburgh simply doesn't have the cultural sensibilties to have such things as bike stations. Certain types of people at 3am in the morning walking home, won't be able to resist the opportunity to vandalise the bikes.

Look at the amount of bikes you see chained to lamp posts with their wheels kicked and buckled already then suddenly, there's a whole row of them!

Up with the hood to avoid the CCTV and they have a bit of fun on their way home after the pubs and clubs shut.

Michael.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 24/07/2008 22:58:35
~35, a women was recently prosecuted in Kent for driving at a pedestrian. If the police were enforcing traffic law properly a lot of drivers would not have licenses.

The difference between car drivers and cyclists is that the latter can often drive as well, whilst the former can only do one thing badly.

I cycle in kent and in London. I can say that whilst london traffic is mad, because the huge number of cyclist, drivers have developed the skills to cope (taxi drivers still have some catching up to do).

If only british drivers had the same levels of skill as French drivers.
101

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 24/07/2008 23:00:14
ps,

there was a scheme in London called OYBIKE, I think I read that they were looking at ways to link hiring bikes for short journeys to Oyster cards.
102

Brad,

Glasgow 24/07/2008 23:20:00
I'm sure the value of lost productivity due to comments on bicycle-related stories is worth at least £2.8m
103

geekpie,

forfar 25/07/2008 10:34:55
It's a good idea.

When a number of small, cheap, smart schemes such as this are in place, it becomes much more acceptable to increase parking charges and find other ways to put pressure on car-commuters to consider alternatives.

Consider alternatives.



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Green Jock,

26/07/2008 18:51:49
Think it`s an excellent idea. I was in Seville ( a city of similar size to Edinburgh)recently and a similar scheme along with new trams in centre have made city centre a great place to be
105

bluehead,

edinburgh 02/08/2008 11:32:38
they must be insane!after years of working as a lollypop man I can only say that if anything is worse than motorists,it has to be cyclists are a complete menace upon the road,there should be a road tax of at least five hundred pounds a year imposed on these people better still clear them of the road altogether,is there no end to all the crazy things that are happening to poor auld Edinburgh

 

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