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Tram signs to point the way forward



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Published Date: 18 April 2008
INFORMATION signs are to be installed along the route of the city's new tram line in a bid to keep residents and traders up to date on the latest developments.
A total of 18 signs will be installed along the Newhaven to airport line over the coming weeks at a cost of about £60,000 as part of moves to keep Edinburgh on the move during the next two years of roadworks.


The 7.5ft by 4ft signs will carry pictures of the trams on the side facing the road, with information for pedestrians on the other.

This will include a map of the tram route, points of contact for traders and residents, and the latest roadwork information for that area. The signs will also feature pictures of staff from tram firm TIE who work in the local area assisting traders and residents.

The move comes after TIE was criticised in recent weeks for the level of signage telling people that businesses on Constitution Street were open as normal.

Tram chiefs today said the signs will help keep Edinburgh moving, and local traders and opposition politicians also welcomed the development.

Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of TIE, said: "As we build the Edinburgh tram project we are committed to informing as many people as possible about what we are doing, where we are doing it and why we are doing it.

"These local area tram information boards are a clear and simple way of informing both residents and visitors to the city about the Edinburgh tram project.

"I appreciate the continued co-operation and support of the local businesses who welcome the information boards and their underlining of the 'open for business' message."

The majority of the new signs will be installed on Leith Walk, with others put up in Constitution Street, St Andrew Square, Princes Street and Shandwick Place.

They will be in place for the lifetime of the tram works and will feature a removable section which will allow the latest information to be displayed.

Richard Dowsett, owner of the Leith Cycle Co on Leith Walk, who is featured on the Leith signs, said: "The signs are a great way of reminding people that there is still a lot going on in Leith.

"Because we have a lot of people moving in and out of Leith all the time, not everyone will be up to speed on what is going on and what shops are available to them here.

"I still get people coming into the shop and asking what all the roadworks are for so it will be good to keep them updated on what is happening with the trams."

www.tramsforedinburgh.com



The full article contains 453 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Andrew Kent,

EDINBURGH 18/04/2008 12:00:43
More money down the drain on this stupid project. I hope they run out of money before its finished.
2

eric,

Lothian 18/04/2008 12:07:51
Pointless waste of Greenbacks.
3

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 12:55:01
Seems there is money to put the signs up -but will there be money to repair the damage done to pavements when they are removed?

A lot of Leith Walk was repaved during the last 10 years - look at it now..

I was sure work would only take place along 200 metre sections at a time. Go down Leith Walk and it feels that the whole street is covered with iron railings - bombsite city.

4

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 13:27:11
Unbelieveable waste of time and money!
5

PaulB,

waiting on a tram 18/04/2008 13:49:55
Blah Blah Blah - it's like listening to a stuck record. The trams are coming. Get over it! Short term pain for long term gain. Sure the signs will be useful and will already have been budgeted for.
6

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 14:31:31
PaulB - I don't think anything to do with traffic management was included in the business case, so any costs in this respect will have to come from the Council.
7

jdships,

18/04/2008 14:59:29
6 PaulB,waiting on a tram

Appreciate you are entitled to your opinion as is your right but
"no pain no gain " where's the gain ?


7 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,



8

mig,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 15:00:26
Has anyone seen the video of the trams on the EEN website? They look fab. Can't wait to have a go on one.
9

jdships,

18/04/2008 15:04:31
7 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

"To the rest of you , shutup."
Just can't help yourself can you ?
You just have to be rude.
We are all entitled to opinions and have a right to express them .

Agree with you there should be an alternative to these signs - a bit OTT methinks
10

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 18/04/2008 16:19:01
#3 £500,000,000 for trams that no-one wants.

The above deliberate distortion does little to advance your case, whatever that might be.

I support the tram project as do more than 50% of my staff. Many of my business associates are also supportive of the project.
11

calum,

18/04/2008 16:24:27
#13 - I think your handle says all you need to know about you. What a snob. So which council "schemes" will the tramLINE serve to assist those without the means to afford their own transport to access this panacea of all Edinburgh's evils? EH1, eh? Business associates, eh?
12

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 18/04/2008 16:29:07
#10 Can't wait to have a go on one.

You will not be disappointed. I was in Dublin in late March, one of the purposes being to examine that city's tram system. My understanding is that the Edinburgh rolling stock will be very similar to that used in Dublin. Very smooth, speedy and comfortable and, contrary to what is so often promised here by 'differently expert' experts, cars / vans / trucks / pedestrians etc seemed to co-exist in harmony with trams. Tsunamis did not sweep up the Liffey. Earthquakes did not flatten O'Connell Street and pestilence was not rife. Best to regard the malcontents on this subject as......malcontents. ;-)
13

Goat Boy,

18/04/2008 16:56:01
Trams are great when they designed to satisfy the needs of a community, but they should not be built at the expense of other options that would have provided greater benefits for ALL the people of Edinburgh. The tram was proposed at a time when congestion charging would have reduced the amount of traffic entering the city. But as we all know, this didn't happen and the roads are still full of cars and buses and vans and lorries etc - all competing the same small amount of space on the already congested roads. This small space is about to become even smaller, forcing traffic along new routes. The tram will hardly touch the commuter traffic and it has been said on numerous occasions that it will not reduce the number of buses on the roads. But I suppose it will allow developers to build tens of thousands of new homes in the north of the city, where the infrastructure is incapable of dealing with such a large increase in traffic. Oh well, we will just have to wait and see how it all turns out in the end.

A final wee point - I have only met one person who supports this scheme. One!
14

jdships,

18/04/2008 17:09:15
12 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

I almost feel sorry for you with your obvious attitude problem
Free speach is our right if not abused
Think about it !!!!
Thank yopu for your kind wishes which I genuinly reciprocate
15

jdships,

18/04/2008 17:17:33
15 Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

I too visited several European cities, including Dublin ,on official fact finding business re tram systems .
I agree that the Dublin system runs well
Unfortunately the topography of that City bears little resemblance to that of Edinburgh and that's where the problem lies .
I do not think that has been addressed correctly .
Still , time will tell if it is to be a success or just an expensive tourist attraction .
Just hope it doesn't turn into another "Holyrood" cost wise .
16

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 18/04/2008 17:44:10
#18 Unfortunately the topography of that City bears little resemblance to that of Edinburgh and that's where the problem lies .

I know Dublin very well indeed, having several business interests in the R.O.I. The topography of the proposed line (as opposed to Edinburgh in general) is not so different, with a long gradient in Leith Walk and another longish one on the approach to the airport. My Engineering Director is of the view that modern traction is more than capable of negotiating such gradients. He also advised me that curve radii and carriageway widths are not an issue for what is proposed in Edinburgh.
17

Franck,

18/04/2008 17:58:44
Martin although Leith Walk looks like a bombsite i am sure that only 20 yards at a time are being done, i mean surely they would have the place finished now!

I haven't seen a workie in those holes for ages.
18

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 18:30:58
Goat Boy (16) - I agree completely.

This tramline has been proposed specifically for the Waterfront development. I would have less of a problem if it were the Waterfront developers who were paying for it but their contribution is minimal.

If a project is publicly-funded, it should be devised to best address public need. To my mind (and having read the route sifting assessments for each of the originally proposed three lines), if there were to be a tramline in Edinburgh at all (highly debateable), then it should have been Tramline 3. Haymarket - Leith (via Princes Street) would, in my view, come second and Haymarket to Leith (via Granton) would not even get off the starting block.
19

Robin Bankes,

Culross 18/04/2008 18:55:29
#14 So which council "schemes" will the tramLINE serve to assist those without the means to afford their own transport to access this panacea of all Edinburgh's evils?

Had you bothered to check the route maps which are freely available you might have noticed Stenhouse, Broomhouse, some schemie enclaves in the Leith area, Telford Road area, Crewe Toll and West Granton!
20

Robin Bankes,

Culross 18/04/2008 19:00:55
#13 The above deliberate distortion does little to advance your case, whatever that might be.

Well said, Loki! This subject certainly generates a lot of hot air and bulls*it. I will find the tram of great benefit as I will be able to cross the FRB, leave the car at no charge in the Ingliston Park & Ride and then board a tram using my concessionary pass. My only disappointment is that the good citizens of Edinburgh have not yet taken to the streets demanding a full network instead of the line-and-a-half that is currently on offer. A full network would make getting around all my business interests so much easier.
21

Goat Boy,

18/04/2008 19:40:24
Sarah B: Spot-on. I don't have a problem with the Newbridge to Princes Street bit, It's a brilliant idea. But the argument for the Princes Street to Leith has been misrepresented. The use of the old railway would also have been ideal as it links the residential areas, but I would miss the cycle link it provides.
22

Andrew,

18/04/2008 20:26:43
Leith Walk. I'd tram tram-it-by!
23

Andrew,

18/04/2008 20:28:47
ie I'd rather TRAM pass-it-by!! QUICKLY!
24

Plantagenet,

18/04/2008 20:40:28
I still cannot see the point of the trams, instead of all this waste of cash and devastation of our streets maybe it would have been better to have completely banned all private cars from the city centre during the working day allowing Buses, taxis, service and emergency vehicles plus delivery vehicles only. The bus fleet could have been greatly increased making it more attractive to commuters with perhaps a fare reduction offset by increased usage.
25

Robin Bankes,

Culross 18/04/2008 21:14:30
#26 ie I'd rather TRAM pass-it-by!! QUICKLY!

I have recently reaquainted myself with Leith Walk after a long absence. I recall the old Leith street with Fairley's 'Ballroom', Top Storey Club,the Imperial Hotel and the Deep Sea. What struck me on returning was the elegance of 'The Walk' from the bottom of Leith Street (is it still called that?) to the junction with Annandale Street. It then gets slightly tacky between Annandale Street and McDonald Road / Brunswick Road. But what shocked me was the appalling eyesore from McDonald Road to the Bottom of the Walk. Almost as bad as Glasgow and infested by the most dreadful looking people. It seemed to me to be a ned's paradise and I felt obliged to instruct my driver not to stop the vehicle.
26

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 22:48:26
Goat Boy (24) - I thought you might be interested in evidence Lothian Buses gave to the Parliamentary committee looking at Tram Line 1 (when it was to be a loop):

"We would observe that, as the areas served by the section of line 1 between Leith and Roseburn, via Granton, are predominantly either brown field development sites, or low-density housing areas, the primary justification for the Leith / Granton / Haymarket section of line must be to aid economic development in the areas served. Passenger traffic on this line, if it were in place today, would be sparse, and justification for this section of line 1 must be based on anticipated growth in public transport demand as the areas develop and housing, education and commercial developments along the line of route take place.

The fact that the tramline between Leith and Granton is along the seashore means, of course, there will never be any demand from the north of that stretch of line, thus limiting its potential catchment area by 50%.

In summary, the Leith / Granton / Roseburn section of line 1 appears weak and difficult to justify on transport terms alone. Its justification must largely be on economic development and social objectives."

My points stands: if this phase cannot be justified in terms of public transport benefit but only in terms of development, then the public should not be expected to pay for it. Publicly-funded schemes should result in a benefit for all and not just developers.
27

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 22:49:18
#22 - excellent point, but can you, from your leafy country retreat in Culross, explain exactly what the shiny new TramCars will do for the populace of these places that's a half a Billion quid better than the existing No.22 bus service? And, to return to the main thread, I hope the Cooncil will be able to demonstrate that TIE have observed all Appropriate Planning Proprieties prior to installing Willie Gallagher's Monumental Erections.
28

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 18/04/2008 23:00:01
Well said at #29, Sarah. A little bird in the Cooncil tells me that the initial phases of the mega yuppie development at The Waterfront, on which much of the TramCar Folly was predicated, are Bombing - the @rse is falling out of the market for overpriced plasterboard rabbit hutches. Still, nice to know that Mr Bankes from Culross will find it handy to get in from Ingliston - pity there'll be precious few shops left for him to visit.
29

rs,

19/04/2008 08:46:22
£60,000 of public money, wouldn't the money be better spent on fixing the roads and pavements of edinburgh

line 1b the loop, should have been planned for the south side of the city, opening up the trams to more of the population, rather than just a line in the north
30

rs,

in ma house 19/04/2008 08:49:23
presumably they've applied for planning permission for these signs?

particularly when the Council have been telling shop owners to take down business signs, never mid bright red 8 x 4 feet advertising signs!

amazing what TIE get away with!

 

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