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Published Date: 11 November 2009
A LEADING Tory MP has accused Nationalists of wanting to create "enmity" between Scotland and England.
Shadow education secretary Michael Gove claimed the SNP was refusing to face economic reality over the need for cuts and was using the looming general election to play a game of "divide and rule".

Visiting Wester Hailes, Mr Gove also dismissed t
he idea a Tory government with only a handful of Scottish MPs would have a questionable mandate north of the Border, arguing that Surrey has no Labour MPs but still works with Gordon Brown's government.

Mr Gove, who was born in Edinburgh and grew up in Aberdeen, claimed the Conservatives were again gaining support in Scotland.

He said: "The factors that used to exist in the 1980s which led people to move away from the Conservatives no longer exist.

"If after a general election we were fortunate enough to be in government, I don't think you would see any of the adverse reactions to that (which] the SNP wants to see.

"What the SNP is hoping for is an election and a government that will generate enmity between Scotland and England."

But Mr Gove insisted a Tory government at Westminster would treat Scotland with respect, David Cameron would visit Holyrood to be quizzed by MSPs and UK ministers would talk to their Holyrood opposite numbers.

"That determination to make the relationship work will mean the SNP will find the fear factor they are relying on won't materialise."

He said voters knew there needed to be a tightening of the belt across the UK and claimed any attempt by the SNP to use cuts to turn voters against a UK Tory government would fail.

He said: "I had hoped Alex Salmond and his team would show maturity in office – and, in some respects, one or two of their decisions have been good for Scotland – but they seem determined not to face up to the realities of the economic situation because they want to play this game of divide and rule."

Mr Gove was in Wester Hailes to campaign for Jason Rust, the Tory candidate for Edinburgh South West at the general election.

The Tories are widely expected to end up with no more than five MPs in Scotland, making it difficult for them to claim a mandate north of the Border.

But Mr Gove said: "I'm an MP for Surrey. There has never been a Labour MP in Surrey and I think there are only three Labour county councillors now. But Surrey County Council deals maturely with a Labour government that doesn't have a mandate in Surrey (or] the south-east of England.

"Scotland is a nation, it has a parliament and a devolved government and any UK government has to treat Scotland with a greater degree of respect than you would anywhere else within the UK.

"But we also recognise we are all part of the UK and the Westminster government has a responsibility to take decisions in the interests of the whole UK."





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  • Last Updated: 11 November 2009 10:29 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

BIG EYE,

Paisley 11/11/2009 10:58:08
What a sad joke the Tory Party have become!

The SNP have done more for Scotland in a few years that the Tories have ever done since the beginning of time and multiplied by ten!
2

Klaus Dubois,

Ed. 11/11/2009 11:40:25
Labours' failure to pay off debt (in actual fact Gordon dug a huge hole as chancellor) when all the cash was rolling in from the financial sector & oil revenue now means UK plc will be struggling for decades to come. To pile misery on Scotland, along come the SNP to play on the cult of victimhood.
I believe the Tory party will provide the 'tough love' required for the UK & Scotland. Whining about all Scotlands' woes being down to Thatcher & the Tories is a testament to the 'loser' culture engendered by those who haven't the guts to take some responsibility for their own past/present/future.
#1 - the 'sad joke' you mention is the next UK government. Deal with it.
3

The Daleks,

Longmen 11/11/2009 11:47:16
We find out all we need to know about Mr Gove when he compares Scotland to Surrey!!
4

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 11/11/2009 12:16:30
Todays Tory party is a joke,and the SNP who have tried are not much better,Labour rules.
5

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 12:16:33
The Tories have got some brass neck, after what the last Tory government inflicted on Scotland. Beat it !
6

King O The Picts,

11/11/2009 12:28:45
Mr Gove, who was born in Edinburgh and grew up in Aberdeen, claimed the Conservatives were again gaining support in Scotland.

Unfortunately he is right they have doudled their support in the last 10 years, at last count they had 14 voters.

Get lost ya wee blowhard
7

Laura H,

11/11/2009 12:30:18
SNP - a clueless waste of space, just a lot of broken promises so far. Get them out!
8

Hector the Red,

11/11/2009 12:40:40
Scotland will be first to suffer under the new Tory Government next year, make no mistakes about it.

The Labour Party have done nothing for Scotland in the last 12 years and are as corrupt as they come.

The Lib dems can't even decide amongst themselves what their policies are.

The Greens would have us bankrupt within 5 years with their refusal to invest in the infrastructure.

The BNP.......no...not a chance....never ever!

Who does that leave then that will be best for Scotland and her interests?....hmmmm!
9

Hector the Red,

11/11/2009 12:47:46
#7 Laura

In case it had escaped your notice it's the Labour Party that are in power in this constituency i.e Alistair Darlinig.

So surely the SNP would have to be in before you can "Get them Out!" as you suggest.

Or are you talking about getting someting else out?, i'm confused, please clarify!
10

steve 1511,

aberdeen 11/11/2009 12:49:23
snp mps working for scotland,labour and tory mps working to line their pooches,as for the libs the do not know what they are doing from day today
11

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11/11/2009 12:51:04
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Jo Public,

11/11/2009 12:52:25
#1 BIG EYE.

Well said. People like him annoy me. Looking down his nose just as his silver spooned Eton budies. They are irrelevant.
13

Eugene Fraxby,

11/11/2009 12:56:43
Are you people this boring in real life, or do you have to take special tablets before you log in?
14

Hector the Red,

11/11/2009 13:03:17
#13

You logged in.....so does that answer your question!
15

watcher,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 13:13:06
No. 5 The Nats helped Thatcher to bring the Poll tax and other curses to Scotland by voting with them as they are now. Everyone knows the Nats hate the Socialists as do those who vote SNP, so they should tell the electorate that.
16

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 11/11/2009 13:39:49
#15 another clueless post from you, 1979 is ancient history and the SNP might have voted with the Labour government if not for the 40% rule betrayal.

Oh, and by the way, the poll tax as 10 years and three elections AFTER 1979. Blame your own inept party for losing those elections.
17

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11/11/2009 13:52:39
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18

Eugene Fraxby,

11/11/2009 14:01:33
14. It's a fair cop.
19

Alice Cooper,

11/11/2009 14:02:30
come on DTI release the figures on how much cash has flowed,to london from the oil fields
even under FOI it always states that its not in the public interest to release these figures
why?,it may show whitehall is correctly named as its covered in whitewash
maybe he should personaly appoligise to everyone who suffered under thatcher and labours feeble 50
20

Eduardinho,

11/11/2009 14:05:10
#15 watcher
Another deluded soul!
Actually according to one James Callaghan, one time Labour leader and Prime Minister, according to his memoirs it was his own back benchers what done him in and enabled the Thatcher years
But dont lets get in the way of facts
21

Eduardinho,

11/11/2009 14:07:53
Me thinks Mr Gove, the cove is worried that SNP MP's will hold the whip hand in the next parliament
The Tories will not have the cosy set up of Scottish Labour MP's sitting on their collective duffs doing squat all for Scotland, they have the prospect of facing a large SNP group hussling the Tories on behalf of Scotland
22

Alice Cooper,

11/11/2009 14:17:32
my sons secondary school had a free newspaper called TFN,or the third force,its the voice of the voluntary sector
now volunteers do a great service,but why put a pic of lard foulkes in nightshirt and cap alongside joke (free holiday kirsty wark?)in pyjamas advertising them raising cash in the scottish parli for the sick kids pyjama campaign
good for them but why the pic,its like scrooge and wee willie winky
besides all parties in the scottish parli will be raising cash not just these to labour ludites
why labour on the front page?,maybe this is another paper taken over by the red weed
just look at a copy of North Edinburgh News to see where they support,and councilor hinds partner martin gets a job on it ,along with labourite pickering
no letters published that critisise labour nor investigations into the £10,000 cash that went missing from pep and muirhouse six circle merger
the paper is a side line of this very rag
23

Paladoon,

11/11/2009 14:21:30
#I don't know how to tell you this but you seem to have slipped into a parallel universe. In this Universe it is the unionist parties that vote together which is just as well as they both have pretty much the same policies.

24

Pantaloon,

Planet Apathy 11/11/2009 14:46:59

Lets face facts. All political parties are no longer worthy of a vote.

The Westminster orientated ones are to busy trying to score political points over each other, rather than producing any good policies or work for a united britain.

The Nats are to busy wining and dining Salmonds dentist and pursuing a pointless and needless independence referendum that we cannot afford.

On this day of rememberance, when brave men and women fought for this and future generations, it saddens me that this country has slipped so far and we are left with this shower squabbling for our vote.
25

Ecce,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 14:53:44
So now we know. As far as the English-based Tories are concerned, Scotland has the same status as an English county. Wonder what Annabel would like to say to Mr Gove. Let's hope she makes it public.
26

jdships,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 14:57:59
" A LEADING Tory MP has accused Nationalists of wanting to create "enmity" between Scotland and England."

Of course they are !!
Although born in England of Scot's parents I have lived in Scotland for all but a few weeks of my near 80 years
Recently at a function I was asked by two , self confessed, SNP "activists " where in Scotland I was born .
When I explained my situation I was told
" ..........you can't claim to be a true Scot,then ! Born in England you are English and are different to a native born Scot - you have no true Scot's roots !"

I quoted the case of Wendy Wood , whose boots Salmond couldn't lace, and was told - wait for it -
"Ah that was a long time ago - true Scot's now know where they stand re the English.
Born in Scotland you are Scots if not you are a person of the country you are born in !"

Pure dead brilliant

Where does that leave Salmond et al welcoming those from abroad who happened to have had a pint in "Deacon Brodies" one wet night.

SNP = Joke
27

Pantaloon,

11/11/2009 15:02:02
#26

Correct.
28

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 11/11/2009 15:28:59
I see all that we have here are people fighting battles of the past. No matter how you all try you will not change the out comes of these battles.

The basic facts are

1. Ships can be built cheaper abraod
2. Coal can be imported cheaper from abroad
3. Clothes can be made cheaper abroad
4. Electrical goods can be made cheaper abroad

Could go on but I hope you get the idea. What government was in and when and what they did doesnt really matter the battles have been fought and lost. And unfortunatly the main culprit for these battles being lost are ourselves especially in the 70' 80's to much industrial unrest etc.

Until we realise that WE are part of the rpoblem then it doesnt matter what governmet is in.

Oh yes and the class snobbery that is running through the posts is a bit disgusting. It just shows how backward we really are as a country. People fighting to show how working class they are looks more like an excert from a Monty python Sketch.
29

Eugene Fraxby,

11/11/2009 15:40:04
"People fighting to show how working class they are looks more like an excert from a Monty python Sketch."

Eh?

EH?
30

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 15:44:05
That will be one nation Toryism which subsidises the well off.

Independence – or full fiscal autonomy – would see Scotland with the same responsibility for fiscal and economic policy as other, similar countries.
Independence means the Scottish Parliament having full control over Scottish affairs and the right to decide when to share power with others. Independence would give Scotland the same rights and the same responsibilities as other modern nations. It would give us a voice on the world stage and a say in international bodies like the UN and EU. With an SNP government, independence would also bring greater freedom for individuals, families and communities within a society built on common interests.
This option would return responsibility for raising and collecting all revenues (including North Sea revenues) to the Scottish Parliament, as well as the full range of government expenditures (including welfare and defence). As the government of an independent nation, the Scottish Government would be able to borrow on international capital markets subject to the usual free market constraints faced by other governments.
31

Jimbo2,

11/11/2009 15:54:29
I didn't know Surrey had 59 Tory MP's.

I didn't know that the Tories worked with Gordon Brown's government, here's me thinking they where in opposition to Labour.

No point in voting Labour or Tory then if they're all working together and singing from the same hymn sheet.
32

Gordon, Canonmills,

11/11/2009 16:28:47
#2 Klaus Dubois

" ... those who haven't the guts to take some responsibility for their own past/present/future"

This describes perfectly the Scottish cringers who are so full of self-hate and lack of confidence in their own country that they can't visualise it surviving without Mummy England.

An independent Scotland with a fully sovereign parliament is exactly what taking responsibility for our own affairs all about.
33

Gordon, Canonmills,

11/11/2009 16:31:33
"Mr Gove, who was born in Edinburgh and grew up in Aberdeen, ... " represents a constituency in SE England!

Says it all really about the relevance the Tories have to present-day Scotland.
34

Pantaloon,

11/11/2009 16:46:27

That Linda at #30 is really good at cut and paste, isn't she??

Full fiscal autonomy, like Iceland you mean? How did their banking sector fair in the recession?

We had a voice on the world stage. We released Megrahi, looked weak and were mocked and laughed at by the world, while the saltire flew in Tripoli.

"With an SNP government, independence would also bring greater freedom for individuals, families and communities within a society built on common interests"

Go on then, tell us how..........

What will we do when the oil runs out? And how will we fund a defence force to protect our border and coastline? Not to mention the high number of doleys, jaikeys, junkies and scum who pollute out streets. How will you fund their welfare handouts?

Ah. I forgot. Salmond will wave his magic wand and (in the eyes of the Nats) everything will be solved.


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Alice Cooper,

11/11/2009 16:50:35
be afraid be very afraid,remember thatcher and her promise of a new hampden park?,only for it to be dropped due to lack of funds(tory excuse)
then she went on to rape and pillage scotland,closed down all of our heavy industry,plants etc
a feeble 50 labour mps could only mump their gums at her,then she had the audacity to say "we english are rather generous to the scots" aye mrs so you are (NOT!)
so under FOI can the DTI supply the figures ,showing exactly how much revenue came out the north sea,how much london spent on pet projects?,no because it is deemed that its "not in the public interest" to publish them
where is the scottish labour mps outcry at 20 odd nuke subs getting dumped on scotland?,their reactor core is twice the size of a double decker bus?
i was at the count in meadow bank,at the 79 general election,the votes for lord james hamilton,that came out the ballot boxes,from west pilton out shone that of the labour candicate
yes a working class area dumped labour for maggie,could be it was all the housewives voting in a woman,but who really knows
36

Alice Cooper,

11/11/2009 16:58:34
#34 so its ok to trough and lie ,keep your constituents in abject poverty?,give scotland very little of raised revenue she sends to london?
whilst scumbag labour mps fill their pockets with cash ,and constituents sit freezing cauld,hungry and job less
no hope so they drift into drugs and drink,and still they vote in these stinky wee baw bags
ask why we are not allowed to see where all the north sea revenue was spent,as its not in the public interest
and getting the orange lodge to chap doors and tell old people you will need a passport to go to england,like they did in hamilton when margo mcdonald was mp
there is no harm in us trying to take care of ourselves ,its when nannies tell us they know best when the know heee haww in the first place
you are just 1 of thousands who spout exactly whaty you typed
but one we will rise as a nation and to quote mr king "FREE AT LAST,FREE AT LAST"
37

Alice Cooper,

11/11/2009 16:59:46
day
38

veritas1,

clacks 11/11/2009 17:05:51
Sounds like this lad is living in some 1960's time warp if his line of patter is anything to go by!
39

Alan B,

11/11/2009 17:28:07
Is the guy daft. The tories did alot of the work to wreck the union by refusing devolution and imposing policies on scotland until they were completely wiped out at the ballot box.

Cameron has yet to come up with a single policy that would help scotland. Nothing about how to deal with the north south divides the tories helped create.

How does he think that comparing Scotland to Surrey is treating Scotland with respect?

"But we also recognise we are all part of the UK and the Westminster government has a responsibility to take decisions in the interests of the whole UK."

The problem with that is:
1)who judged what is in the interests of the uk. As england is so much larger then it is england that effectively chooses the uk government.
2)if england interests conflict with scotlands interests whose take presedence. Off course englands as they are larger and dominate parliament.

His own argument about not have a labour mp in surrey suggest that the constitution for the uk is broken and england should be federalised. That would allow the north of england to be government by their party of choice and the same for the south of england.
40

Alan B,

11/11/2009 17:33:26
#Pantaloon

"Full fiscal autonomy, like Iceland you mean"

Iceland is an independent country. So fiscal autonomy does not apply.

Fiscal autonomy for scotland would mean that we would be still part of the uk but would be responsible for raising and spending our taxation giving a share for shared services like defence.

Remember that the uk is one of the worst positioned countries in this recession so slagging of another country while we are in such a mess if silly.

The problem for scotland is while the other small countries of western europe have done so well and on the whole outperformed the large ones scotland economic growth has been poor within the union.

The obvious question is this becuase of gross mismangement by westminster who run economic policies for the south of england while running down the north.
41

bikerider1,

11/11/2009 17:54:43
wasnt divide and conquer the practice of the sainted margaret of thatcher????? so a taste of their own medicine then
42

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 18:15:30

WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL does a Conservative M.P.

Viz.

"Michael Andrew Gove Member of Parliament for Surrey Heath."

Have anything to do with Scotland???

43

JC1,

Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:22:01
He's right. salmond would start a fight in an empty room and then try and build a partition wall in it. the nats have had their shot at politics with the grown ups, and they've failed.
44

JC1,

Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:23:34
#42 Because he is a member of the UK parliament, and Scotland is part of the UK. I know you're a long way away, so you can be forgiven for having a poor grasp of our geography and political system
45

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 18:23:35

Scotland must waken up

The content of this article can only be described as DRIVEL.

46

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 18:39:52
JC1,Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:23:34

Says:-
"Because he is a member of the UK parliament, and Scotland is part of the UK. I know you're a long way away, so you can be forgiven for having a poor grasp of our geography and political system"
______________________________________________________

Let's see now!

Surrey heath?

Were is that? Govan? Priesthill? Paisley? Larkhall?

Well you may claim that I have a "poor grasp" of geography,but I am certain that "Surrey Heath" is Nowhere near the Gallowgate.

47

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 19:02:00
#44 JC1,Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:23:34

Says:-
"Because he is a member of the UK parliament, and Scotland is part of the UK.
______________________________________________________

Scotland's status - as part of your perceived subordination to our larger neighbour is about to change - FOREVER.

48

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 19:32:12
#44 JC1,Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:23:34

C'Mon JC1 Glasgow - You sound like a decent, sensible Scot.

Join us!

Join your compatriots!

Join your fellow Scots that only want what is best for your country.

That country is named SCOTLAND.

We only want what you want -

- The furtherance of all Scottish interets.


49

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 11/11/2009 19:33:55
Jo'Burg Jock,South Africa 11/11/2009 19:32:12
#44 JC1,Glasgow 11/11/2009 18:23:34

C'Mon JC1 Glasgow - You sound like a decent, sensible Scot.

Join us!

Join your compatriots!

Join your fellow Scots that only want what is best for your country.

That country is named SCOTLAND.

We only want what you want -

- The furtherance of all Scottish interests.
50

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 11/11/2009 19:38:49
Michael Gove compares Scotland to Surrey.

That alone shows the Tories don't get it.

Scotland is not a region, a shire, it is not a province.

Scotland is a nation, a country. Why should we accept a government that has no scottish mandate.

Transfer all powers to Edinburgh.
51

Pantaloon,

11/11/2009 19:40:24
#40

"The problem for scotland is while the other small countries of western europe have done so well and on the whole outperformed the large ones scotland economic growth has been poor within the union"

So how did Iceland fair? That was my question. A small, independant country with coastal options for revenue. If Scotland were to gain independance we would be in a similar position.
52

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 11/11/2009 19:47:23
51 Pantaloon

Not true, Iceland is a micro-economy. In terms of size it is smaller than the economy of Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow.

Scotland's economy is about 20 times the size of Iceland's, add to that a Whisket industry, a oil and gas industry and massive energy potential.

53

jdships,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 20:21:26
42
Jo'Burg Jock,

Putting aside political bias for a moment.
If we apply your analogy , re Mr Grove, to yourself
You as living in SA although , presumeably, of Scottish birth are not allowed to comment on Scottish affairs.
This because you live outwith the country !
Ah but wait a minute ! Sir Sean is allowed to put is bawbees worth in
Just remember who coined the phrase " move the goal posts " - SNP !!
Any problems with getting their point across - "move the goal posts"

54

museum attendant,

edinburgh 11/11/2009 22:52:01
michael gove.......

F*KK OFF!
55

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 12/11/2009 05:41:19
53 jdships,Edinburgh 11/11/2009 20:21:26

From the article:-

"a Tory government with only a handful of Scottish MPs would have a questionable mandate north of the Border"

So you see, I am not the only one raising doubts on the validity of Gove's involvement.
_______________________________________________________

Gove is a Tory MP.

Again I ask the question.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL does a Conservative Member of Parliament for Surrey Heath, Have anything to do with Scotland???

It may come as a surprise to you - but Sean Connery does not represent any constituency, south of our border.

Neither do I.

56

jdships,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 08:34:19
55 Jo'Burg Jock,
South Africa

" Goal posts on the move again " I see !!
Any Westminster MP/person surely has a right to comment on affairs/life in Scotland - it's called "democracy"

"South of our border" when were they erected. ?

We live in a democracy which allows free speech - it would appear you are simply defending the indefensible of which you are entitled to do .

I was recently told by SNP "activisits" that because of being born outwith Scotland, although of Scots parents and living in Scotland for all but a few weeks of my 80 years I am ".... not really a true Scot".

Where exactly does that leave the SNP policies ?

I fear for the day when anyone regardless of race/faith/political persuasion is denied the right to pass am opinion.
If this is SNP policy - well !!!!!!!!!!!!!
57

Euan404,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 10:50:06
Kinda wonder if some folk would like salt'n'sauce to go with the chip on their shoulder...

Of course Scotland isn't a county like Surrey - it was just a simple example that just because a particular party's support is weak in one area of the UK, that doesn't mean it lacks a mandate to govern the country as a whole.

It's like arguing that the SNP/Lib Dem council in Edinburgh should have no mandate over Colinton and Fairmilehead, seeing as those areas didn't elect any SNP or Lib Dem councillors.

 

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