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Storm brewing over late-night curfew on city's coffee shops



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Published Date: 25 July 2008
A REVIEW is under way of council guidelines that prevent cafes and coffee shops in and around the Old Town opening later than 8pm.
Local businesses are hoping the policy will soon be scrapped, but residents today urged the council to stick by its rules – or even tighten them.

The restrictions are applied in "areas of sensitivity", which cover the Grassmarket, Nicolson Street,
Buccleuch Street and Tollcross.

The scheme was set up in 1998 to help curb late-night noise and disturbance in areas where there are large numbers of both residents and commercial premises.

The 8pm curfew is imposed on owners wanting to open new daytime cafes, to ensure they do not later turn the emphasis away from food to alcohol and transform the premises into a late-night operation – adding another drinking establishment to areas where there are already dozens of pubs.

Separate rules apply to the Grassmarket and the Cowgate to stop new bars from opening until existing ones close down, while applications from traditional late-night operators – such as takeaways – are also handled differently.

The newly-opened Cafe Rodi on Nicolson Street – the former Gibson Tiling shop – was the most recent outlet to fall foul of the policy, after councillors blocked a bid to keep it open until 10pm.

Yemliha Kamber, whose father Teyfik owns the family-run cafe, said today:

"We wanted to open up a bit later, but the council didn't allow us.

"It's a bit stupid because the pubs are open until 1am and (cause] trouble, but we've not had any trouble since we opened.

"We do lose customers and it all adds up."

Councillors also imposed a curfew on the Nicolson Communication internet cafe late last year, blocking similar attempts to keep it open until 10pm.

Local Tory councillor Cameron Rose, a member of the planning committee, said:

"My concern is that, in some areas, we have too many rules. I have made sure that this will be reviewed over the next few months.

"It may well be that we dispense with the areas of sensitivity."

A council spokeswoman confirmed that the "development management handbook", which includes the guidelines, was under review, but said this was not expected to be completed until October.

Hilary McDowell, environment spokeswoman for the Southside Community Council, urged councillors to avoid scrapping the areas of sensitivity.

She said: "People live in the city centre and it should be possible for people to sleep in the city centre.

"A cafe culture just doesn't fit with a city centre where people actually live."

Peter Sharma, chairman of the Old Town Community Council, added: "The council has to be stricter in its approach.

"Otherwise, a small takeaway could get an alcohol licence and before you know it, we've got another bar."





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  • Last Updated: 25 July 2008 12:30 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 11:59:52
Scottish People :- No caffiene after midday.

Jesus, do I have to tell you everything ?
2

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 12:01:29
This is all very stupid (unless of course the full facts arent being told).

Give them late opening hours but dont give them alcohol licences. As If coffee shops are going to make pub /club areas any worse.
3

Mop,

*********** 25/07/2008 12:02:19
A cafe culture doesnt fit with a city but a pub culture does??? I really dont understand this at all why should people be denied a coffee its a damn sight less harmful than drink!
4

Seb,

25/07/2008 12:05:09
"A cafe culture just doesn't fit with a city centre where people actually live."

What an inane comment. That's where cafe culture thrives. Feckin' Calvinist would have us all tucked into bed by 8pm.
5

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 12:10:12
Like i'm actually bothered.
6

Jed Smith,

Moscow 25/07/2008 12:14:22

I wonder if Jenny Mcarthur will comment on this one.

YOU FOR COFFEE, JENNY?
7

Ganjass,

BeanScene24 25/07/2008 12:16:00
Coffee claims lives people, if you had seen someone who is hoplessly addicted to Lattes in the throws of a coffee binge, you would not be so liberal on this, it's claiming the lives of our young people, and quite frankly i find it oh so scary.

WTF!! If Lothian Road can still operate on late licenses with all the nonsense that goes on there....
8

Leila,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 12:20:28
I can't see why coffee shops shouldn't be able to stay open later. It's ridiculous you can get a drink but not a coffee in the mid/late evening.

I do think too that people who live in the city centre must be (and generally are) realistic and accept a certain amount of noise, within reason, especially during the summer months.
9

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 12:22:26
8

Ssh.
10

Destroy the Planet,

25/07/2008 12:44:28
Nobody gives a t*ss anymore about the residents, its such a shame we're being pushed aside in preference for stag / hen nights and cafe culture rubbish. Year on year theres more licensed premises appearing all for the pleasure of middle class english types.
11

I love to eat Sellotape,

25/07/2008 12:48:47
In addition to being able to procure a mega-foam skinny cinnamon-vanilla latte decaf grande at 2:43 a.m., I would like there to be someplace I could go to buy a kumquat.
12

Jenny MacArthur,

25/07/2008 12:58:25
Hi Jed, it's nice that you care. :-) But put it away boy! x

However, I agree it's daft that we tolerate boozers till the wee small hours, but far more civilised coffee shops have to shut before it's even dark. Yea for such forward-looking continental thinking!
13

Cheese burger,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 13:32:00
I've always thought sitting on the pavement, quaffing your coffee, while choking on traffic fumes or moving your legs so you don't get either trodden or vomited on, by passing drunks, was the ONLY way to spend the evening!
14

I love to eat Sellotape,

25/07/2008 13:41:47
No. There is also chess.
15

Raoul Duke,

25/07/2008 13:59:03
Its madness that this is even an issue. So you can drink alcohol until 3 am but cant drink have a coffee or tea beyond 8?

Oh no, I’ve just given the cooncil the idea of bringing the sale of alcohol to come in line with the sanctions imposed on coffee.
16

Jock MacSprog,

25/07/2008 14:00:50
how retarded is our council ? No problem with legions of drunks and hideos hen and stag parties staggering around the streets of our city at all hours, but lets not let coffee shops open past 8pm ? Its things like this that make Scotland the laughing stock of the developed world. Smart successful Scotland my ar##e !
17

Rank Outsider,

25/07/2008 14:05:20
It's all well and good saying they should have extended hours but what happens when some kid, high on caffiene, decides it's time to hold up the local Scotmid?
18

Jed Smith,

Moscow 25/07/2008 14:05:54

#12 ;-]

To be fair, Scotland is a bit better at making alcohol than making coffee.

Most places in Edinburgh the coffee would be laughed at by a French or Italian, a German wouldn't laugh but would make a teutonic grimace.

19

Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

25/07/2008 14:13:07
I like coffee, I like tea. I love the java jive, but it's suprisingly ambivalent toward me.
20

John Gibson's Toyboy,

25/07/2008 14:13:51
Does Edinburgh have the UK's first 'special needs' council? You can get bladdered on cheap hooch until 1am but no moccachinos after eight! 'They might get an alcohol licence and then we'd have another bar'. Er, you're the council. Just don't give them one...
21

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 14:16:42
I'm sure youll find that its a bit more complicated than the rubbish thats printed here.

Lets hope so.
22

I love to eat Sellotape,

25/07/2008 14:18:02
Well, I stand by my assertion that there is also chess.
23

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 14:50:11
why don't they start selling IPA as well, then they'd be allowed to stay open later.
24

Anonym,

25/07/2008 14:58:55
You cannot have too many pubs and cafes. If they don't make money, they don't stay open.

If a licence is denied to one business in favour of another, then the competition between those businesses, that would lead to improvements and positive change, is held back.

Why do this?

25

Diana,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 15:18:58
Perhaps if the coffee shops were allowed to remain open, then people would sober up with coffee instead of finding another drinking establishment??

Once again, I feel the council is being run by monkeys.
26

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

25/07/2008 15:20:34
Monkeys, Muppets and Clowns.

27

Mr Majestic,

25/07/2008 15:34:31
Edinburgh council....what a laugh. Do they not issue the alcohol licences?
Anyway, anyone who is happy to pay about £3 for a coffe needs a slap especially when these same people probably complain about slave labour and the likes. The coffee business is about one of the worst for ripping of 3rd world producers and inflating the price.
28

I love to eat Sellotape,

25/07/2008 15:37:42
The council is actually being run by shape-shifting lizards.

I've seen photographs.

One or two of them are wlkhwshsas.
29

Estella,

25/07/2008 21:57:41
Coffee culture, street cafes, 'chic,urban cosmopolitan living' - not in vogue this week with the Cooncil? I thought they were always telling us we should be more like Barcelona or Malmo?
30

Master Po,

25/07/2008 22:50:04
The cooncil has got it all wrong. How romantic would it be to sit at a pavement cafe in la Boulevard de Leith sipping a latte as the trams glide silently by ?
31

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

25/07/2008 23:03:37
it makes sense. how are people meant to sleep at nights with all these coffee shops open
32

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

25/07/2008 23:04:41
I've seen a haggis downing a coffee. it was a latte.
33

celtic4,

USA 25/07/2008 23:37:06
Just who makes these ridiculous rules? 8????? Why on earth would the government be yelling about alcohol, then close coffee shops down at 8, yet leave the booze joints open until the wee hours????? This makes NO sense to me whatever. Ridiculous.
34

Plantagenet,

25/07/2008 23:46:55
Everyone knows that you shouldn't drink coffee late at night, it'll just keep you awake, so I'm all for a curfew, whereas eight pints of lager and a few drams in the wee small hours... you'll sleep like a baby, and not necessarily in your bed.
35

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/07/2008 00:28:58
"A cafe culture just doesn't fit with a city centre where people actually live."

Yet a binge drinking culture, with stag and hen parties running rampage throught the streets of the old town, people vomiting on the pavements and paralytic drunks brawling in the middle of the roads until 4am is fine.

Councillors, stop @rsing around and use a bit common sense. Give these places late licences but don't allow them to serve alcohol. It's not rocket science is it?


36

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/07/2008 00:30:04
#33 Celtic,

EXACTLY!! Couldn't have put it better myself.
37

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/07/2008 00:37:55
Of course if you want a coffee after 8 in the city centre the only place you can go is a bar or up to Favorit in Teviot Square...which also serves alcohol.

But if you want to get a coffee in Starbucks or Costa where they don't serve alcohol, no, sorry folks, that's not allowed. These latte sippping teetotalers can't be trusted after the sun goes down.

Madness!!!
38

jimb4abobor2,

Edinburgh 26/07/2008 01:11:19
I agree they say that the UK has the worst record for alchahol in europe and they allow 24hr drinking but they cant incourage tea totaling well im confused here must be the tax revenue not as much on coffee tea as on beers and spirits well im only guessing well im i right or is there another reason i have not found yet well the media time to take them to court i think if i was cafe owner as i think they have good case.
39

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/07/2008 05:28:51
#38,

Could we have that in English please?
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