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Published Date:
25 June 2007
NOISY smokers outside an Old Town nightclub are forcing residents to move away from the area so they can get some sleep.
Cabaret Voltaire is now under investigation from the city council over complaints about noise from clubbers when they step outside for a cigarette.

Angry residents on Blair Street, which is home to a number of bars and clubs, say the disruption has become so bad that at least two residents are moving to quieter parts of the city.

They believe that management at the venue should act to ensure their customers keep the noise down.

But Cabaret Voltaire insists it is doing "everything it can" to keep the disturbance from customers to a minimum.

Jamie Curran, who has lived in Blair Street for five years, said the situation has become so unbearable that he is moving out of his flat.
"We've even started giving out lollipops to customers as they leave in an effort to keep the street quiet" SARAH DAVID
"We've even started giving out lollipops to customers as they leave in an effort to keep the street quiet" SARAH DAVID


The 23-year-old business management graduate even started a campaign and website last year called Be Seen Not Heard and asked Cabaret Voltaire's management and the council to work with him to come up with a solution.

He strongly believes the club should take a "pro-active" approach by encouraging smokers to show more respect for their neighbours.

He said: "The onus is on them [the management] to sort it out.

"They could have done more and should have done more and I'm not surprised that they are under investigation.

"It shouldn't take people coming along and criticising them before they do something about it. It's all about social responsibility and having respect for other people."

Residents claim there can be as many as 100 people at once gathered outside the venue smoking and chatting loudly.

They also say revellers hang about outside the club until at least 4am - an hour after closing time - as it has become a "culture" since the smoking ban was introduced.

Sarah David, Cabaret Voltaire's managing director, insists that the club actively encourages customers to have respect for nearby residents.

She said: "Cabaret Voltaire has a very small and basic standing area for smokers, limited to 40 people maximum, which is closely monitored at all times by our staff.

"Anyone who has been to the club before will have noticed signage and door staff requesting our patrons have respect for our neighbours while outside the building.

"Cabaret Voltaire is located on a busy city centre street, with at least six other venues with 3am licences in close proximity, not to mention passing noise from local bars' customers.

"We are doing everything we can to keep noise to a minimum.

"We've even started giving out lollipops to customers as they leave the club at close in an effort to keep the street as quiet as possible as they make their way home."

But John Cant, 53, says he has never known clubbers to leave Cabaret Voltaire quietly.

He has lived on Blair Street for more than a year, but has finally had enough and is also moving out.

He said: "It's just unliveable here and I can't stand it any more. It's like a street party outside, especially when the weather's good.

"Obviously people have chosen to live on this street and it is a very lively street, but the club should be taking responsibility to move people on."

Richard Curran, 21, who lived in Blair Street until two years ago, added: "I live on North Bridge now and although it's a much busier and noisier street generally, at night it's much quieter than living on Blair Street.

"Before the smoking ban, you obviously used to get noise when people left the club, but now it's constant, all through the night from about midnight to 4am.

"No-one thought about that when they introduced the smoking ban."

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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2007 12:34 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Cabaret Voltaîre,

25/06/2007 11:24:10

eh, em, er ... gibbo

2

john 1,

25/06/2007 12:33:23

What selection is decided by E.N. to
publish? When I approached them about the noise emanating from a pub in Rose Street before the a smoking ban they were not interested.

3

I am God!,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 12:40:00

One draw back of the smoking ban! I hardy think its the clubs fault though!

4

Statsman,

25/06/2007 12:40:34

It would have made far more sense to have force ventilated smoking rooms indoors. This is what would have happened had the people imposing the ban not been so driven by the need to punish smokers. In reality, they have punished people that live near pubs and clubs.

5

Randan,

25/06/2007 12:49:22

Anyone who buys or rents a flat on Blair Street expecting peace and quiet is sadly deluded. We are the Stag & Hen party capital of the UK. Even before all that it was noisy.

6

alex paterson,

embra 25/06/2007 12:57:04

I always thought that Cabaret Voltaires was a training ground for lovers of Cats,Nine of them.

7

Paul Voltaire,

25/06/2007 12:59:39

What is the point of this story?
Also,nobody cares.
A guy gets a flat. Finds out it is in too noisy/ busy part of town then moves somewhere else.
What a scoop !

8

Brendan,

25/06/2007 13:01:42

#5 Exactly.

Compromise always was and is the best option. Smoking and non smoking pubs and clubs is the obvious answer. Those frequenting and choosing to work in a smoking bar to sign a disclamer to advise that they are aware of the risks involved ( to keep the pc mob happy).

Common sense wil never prevail on this one tough.

I've been to pubs where there are 10 guys standing outside blethering and smoking and only 2 in the pub.

9

S Hamilton,

Embra 25/06/2007 13:05:36

Fair enough if you've bought a flat since the smoking ban. What about all the poor sods who've lived there for years.

It's time for a lorry to drive about hosing the dirty bandits down when they start to get rowdy. Gits.

10

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25/06/2007 13:09:56
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11

SunShine,

25/06/2007 13:12:35

The only answer is to ban smokers from congregating outside pubs.

In California, smokers are not allowed within 25 feet of any doorway. It is time they brought that law in here.

12

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 13:32:57

"We've even started giving out lollipops to customers as they leave the club at close in an effort to keep the street as quiet as possible as they make their way home." - do they think its toddlers they are dealing with - lollipop!!!!! Hilarious

13

Digit,

West Pilton 25/06/2007 14:18:32

Would stay round with a burd on blair st a few years back & even then it was a shocking amount of noise, pimped up cars with blaring sound systems pulling up every few mins. Cant really lay this one on the smoking ban.

The cr*ppy sash & case windows in most edinburgh tenements really dont help either.

14

jambobones,

25/06/2007 14:27:00

#12 couldn't agree more. there is nothing worse than having to enter somewhere through a cloud of smoke.

15

Belinda-2,

25/06/2007 14:35:29

12 classic approach to problems is not to solve them but to move them. What if being 25 feet outside the pub takes you outside another pub?

16

Super Mario Tram,

25/06/2007 14:37:46

15. Being sandpapered to death over a five year period with very fine sandpaper is a lot worse.

17

ChrisC,

25/06/2007 14:37:53

So "It's all about social responsibility and having respect for other people." is it?
Maybe if the SE and anti-smoking 'experts' had shown some for smokers this and many other problems would not be happening.

18

Super Mario Tram,

25/06/2007 14:39:39

Anyway , we've had this baloney before.

Smoking doesnt make people noisy , excessive beer makes people noisy.

If pubs and clubs are making money out of people by pouring beers down their necks they are ultimately responsible.

19

California Scot,

25/06/2007 14:47:00

Smokers! What are we going to do with them other than pay health service to keep them comfortable while they die a slow death by emphasema, cancer and other nasties. No matter what anyone says, no matter how many pictures of rotted lungs, throats and faces they see, no matter that they smell to high Heaven, spend a fortune yearly on their habits, they still think that their junkie habits rate them some sort of special consideration.
They are too weak to quit and scream they smoke because they WANT to, they ENJOY it.
In reality, it seems like its Darwins theory at work. Only the strong survive and thrive.
Stop kidding yourselves and lying to the rest of us. Get help and stop giving your hard earned money to the tobacco companies. You are selling off your very health so they can buy their maids a new Mercedes for Christmas every year.
You cost every one an awful lot of money when your health finally does go. It may not be today or tomorrow, but eventually, smoking will kill you. There is a reason firemen wear those masks and tanks....smoke is bad for human bodies!
Quit! You CAN do it!! I did. 30 years ago I smoked 2 and a half packs a day. I realised I was not in control and I was being sold a terribly unhealthy and addictive product by greedy companies who could care less about the consequences of my addiction only that they took my money!
Good luck to you in getting that monkey off your back!
As for standing outside a pub and making noise in the neighborhood, smoking or not, that is just bad manners.

20

Donnie,

25/06/2007 14:49:09

Easy answer, easy solution, allow a smoking room inside the club, problem solved. It sounds like the majority of the club is outside, so make provision for them inside.

21

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 14:51:31

Well one thing's for sure. There is NO WAY I'm moving to California. Land of the free? Bollocks.

22

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 14:55:14

#23 was in response to #12 Sunshine....unless it's about California near Falkirk.

When #12 said, "In California, smokers are not allowed within 25 feet of any doorway. It is time they brought that law in here."

What if it's your own house?

Any other laws good for California you want here? The Death penalty for example.

23

SunShine,

25/06/2007 14:55:40

#21 Thats a great idea. I think they should allow smoking upstairs on buses as well. And lets not stop there. Bring back smoking in cinemas too. It used to be great having one half of the auditorium smoking and the other non. I mean the smoke never ever drifted over to the non smoking side. Did it?

24

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 14:59:59

...cue the Hamlet theme tune.
dah - - - - - - - - da da da da da da da

25

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 15:01:15

Hamlets for smokers....helmets for non-smokers.

26

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 15:03:18

Someone said it before. Outside is MEANT to be fresh. Keep smoking indoors where it belongs. In this way, instead of smokers going out for a smoke break, non-smokers could go for an air break.

Stop preaching!

27

Super Mario Tram,

25/06/2007 15:08:49

Well the law isnt going to change so its up to the club to make the young stupid people behave,

28

Enrico,

25/06/2007 15:18:55

#25 - Great ideas. Afterall, non smokers could just nip outside for a quick breath. It's good enough for us smokers afterall.

29

MoragtheToerag,

Leith 25/06/2007 15:28:08

You live in farking BLAIR STREET and expect it to be quiet?

30

chris MWD,

edinburgh 25/06/2007 15:32:25

#20.... gonnae shut up.... theres nothing worse than the rantings of an ex smoker telling us how disgusting and filthy it is. get off your moral high horse and realise that we smokers more than pay for our medical treatment in later life through the insane tax we pay on fags..... and to call someone weak willed because they smoke is ridiculous. people will always smoke as no matter what they say smoking looks cool.

and cab is an awesome club. beer makes people noisy, not fags. people who live there CHOOSE to live there no one is forcing them to stay there. if they move into the flats on blair street knowing there are pubs and clubs nearby, noise is to be expected, so they can get their complaints to france

31

Enrico,

25/06/2007 15:35:08

Here in Glasgow the curfew means you can't go out for a cig after 2am and get back in. Very unfair I say.

32

JonnyCab,

25/06/2007 15:37:41

OK... smoking in the pub: annoys a few aunties
smoking outside the pub: annoys everyone on the street.

Seems like the only way around this is designated smoking rooms.

33

MoragtheToerag,

25/06/2007 15:56:02

I'm an ex smoker, no. 32, but I agree with most of your post.

It's BLAIR STREET. Right off the Cowgate.

It's not a library.

It's sort of a no-brainer that it'll be noisy.

34

mr chips,

25/06/2007 15:57:46

Ban the smoking ban.

35

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 15:58:51

32. chris MWD

......Chris. Chill out & light up.

......and finlly. Non smokers live longer. Who pays for all their medical care then eh? At least we have the decency to pop off in our prime and not languish and be a burden to the family and the over-stretched NHS.

So there. California sucks big-time. They say ex smokers don't live longer...it just seems that way.

ps Arnold Schwarzenegger's crap.

36

Melanthios,

Stirling 25/06/2007 15:59:32

Will there be smoking on trams?

37

Taxi For McLetchie !,

Helensburgh 25/06/2007 16:42:13

These are the (unforseen?) consequences of Scotland's pioneering legislation... I'm not a supporter of the Nanny State , but I fear our legislators may have to consider an even greater smoking curfew. Sadly, these little knots of drug- addicted smokers - chattering on noisily into the wee sma' hours - make for a rather pathetic spectacle. And in days of old they may've had a bucket of water (or worse) thrown over their disrespectful heads. Now , I'm not suggesting...Or am I... ??

38

petrol head,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 17:10:43

Well, if they didn't have the rude incovenience of nazi state laws to put up with, they smokers would be making their noise inside the building.

Besides, I don't believe that in the days of double glazing there is really any kind of non-imagined problem here.

39

wee willy,

trading standards 25/06/2007 17:13:10

i have been to Canada on many a occasion and in all bars and clubs , smoking rooms are incorporated within the premises, that way the drinkers have a choice whether to sit with there friends,, the smokers,, or to sit in the bar where smoking is prohibited,,you dont see loads of people intimidating passers by while they are having a smoke outside,,wee the tax payer have and never will have a choice...

40

Ian Curtis,

25/06/2007 17:24:45

Well you better get used to it as it will be EU wide by 2011 you ignorant lot.

No point in whining about it, time to find solutions. Oh , and dont shoot the messenger.

41

wee willy,

trading standards 25/06/2007 18:01:12

44,,if only i had a gun...

42

yermaw,

edin 25/06/2007 18:31:52

What a boring story, reporter have a wee hangover today?

I just want to say that non-smoker seems to be synonymous with nazi these days.

Alll this talk of social responsibility and respect then they blatantly attack the free will of those who want a wee ciggarette with a drink.

If anyone expects to live on Blair street and not have to deal with revellers they are thick.

For those of you who complain about paying for medical expenses of smokers, you are clearly just ignorant moaning little brats. Smokers pay far more in taxes than is spent on their medical treatment. Also, do you moan and cough and tut and look for the nearest internet forum to moan on when you see a fat person eat a mars bar. I think not.

Edinburgh also has its share of junkies but we gladly go on paying for them to be "treated" while moaning at people having the audacity to pay their taxes, then pay more tax on fags and decide to enioy one in the street.
x

43

Disco Inferno,

A now quiet street 25/06/2007 19:15:01

Unless you've actually lived in close proximity to a club/pub you'll never understand the problems residents experience with noise from folk hanging around outside.

Since the pub next door to us burnt down (someone having a crafty fag in the bogs/act of god/insurance job - delete as appropriate) it's been nice and quiet. Great!

Hopefully the management of Caberet Voltaire may be a bit more understanding of residents concerns than the mob that ran the place next to us. l

44

Bruce Leith,

25/06/2007 20:23:51

Ban smoking outside as well , you can hardly walk anywhere in town without having to walk through clouds of smoke.A solution could be small cubicles like the automatic loos where smokers can go and have thier fix without polluting the air for the majority.

45

Riverkidca,

Canada 25/06/2007 20:39:30

Wee Willie,
You haven't been to Canada for a long time, have you?

Almost every province has now eliminated smoking rooms and forced smokers outside....No shelters or beer gardens either. If there is a "shelter" it can't have a roof & only 2 walls....Not nice in-40c weather.

46

Keke,

Aberdeenshire 25/06/2007 21:26:35

We had the problem of noisy louts serenading the night at all hours long before the smoking ban. If anything the problem is worse now. A great leap forward, the smoking ban, you can now get p***ed up in clean air before trashing everybody else's peace and quiet on the way home, you can wade through a sea of dog-ends on the way to the shops the following morning, and old people have the joy of feeling intimidated by gangs of noisy smokers gathering on the pavement outside pubs.
I can't wait to see how they'll improve our lives next.

47

Metalhead666,

25/06/2007 21:35:49

"Angry residents on Blair Street, which is home to a number of bars and clubs..."

No offence but if they're worried about noise why are they living in the centre of Edinburgh; and furthermore, next to a nightclub? Aside from this, having walked past Cab Vol a number of times and been there a few, it looks to me like the security can do their jobs. They actually manage for the most part to keep the smokers within the confined area to prevent them running riot on the roads (and presumably to keep their custom but the actions serve both purposes). They can no longer smoke inside (which I'm sure made some of the residents happy at the time, at least if they were smoke ban supporters) and now they moan about it being outside. Perhaps the law should be changed to allow a smoking room within bars and clubs. But then perhaps people should just use common sense and not live next to nightclubs if they find the noise so disturbing.

48

R.B.,

25/06/2007 22:15:48

#20:

Smokers already pay a huge (well into the several hundreds) percent tax on cigarettes, they're ultimately paying for their treatment over the years :)

49

Stef,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 22:59:13

How can Cabaret Voltaire in any way be held responsible, for this stupid, uncompromising legislation.. Edinburgh Council are investigating the complaints.. Any investigation can only conclude that it is the downright idiots who brought in this ridiculous ban who should carry the full responsibility for this situation. It is they who should be compensating these residents and the more than 200 pubs and the many other business's that have gone bust over the past eighteen months due to this flawed policy.. Cabaret Voltaire is just one business,, this situation is occurring all over the city. Move people on????, just exactly who is going to move me and the many other folk out there to 'move on',, the pub or club?,, the council?, remembering of course in many cases the area outside is a public street. I know that if anyone thinks that for one moment that if a council official, or landlord was to tell me to go 25yards down the street it would provoke a quick and profane response...So just forget that stupidity if you wish too avoid a serious confrontation followed by legal actions. Landlords are there to run their business's not too police the streets. Smokers are their loyal customers and in many cases also their friends. So do the real police have to support council officials to move a very angry group of people 25 yards down to another potential hot-spot.
How ridiculous.
Too suggest that "No one thought of that when they introduced the ban" just simply emphasises even more how stupid the people responsible for this ban really are. There lunatic claims are that they are trying to 'denormalize' smoking, whereas in fact they have promoted it better than any large advertising agency could ever have achieved. Its destroyed social lives, created hundreds of bankruptcies, it is killing live music, prompted hatreds that I never knew before too exist. Further wasted millions of pounds on a failed adventure into lunacy.. McConnell, Kerr, Maureen M

50

EnEm,

26/06/2007 02:45:14

BOO HOO

51

T.S. McGee,

Edinburgh 26/06/2007 02:57:24

100 smokers outside at one time? Are you having a laugh? There 'aint enough room for 100 people in their smoking section. And why exactly would one fifth of their punters be outside anyway? Us smokers aren't that desperate for a fag. Just wait 'til the festival comes along and where can anyone live in Edinburgh without it being noisy? Should I go to the council because I live in a flat 4 miles from the city centre but the fireworks keep me awake? They go off past 10pm so I have every right to complain.....

And even before the smoking ban it is fairly obvious that it's going to be a noisy street since it has THREE pubs, ONE club and a BROTHEL on it.

Why doesn't the council do something about the brothel instead? Oh, wait, thats because if you had a look at who owned some of the 'saunas' in Edinburgh you probably wouldn't be too surprised........ Now thats real news. Not a bunch of idiots who didn't realise why houses were so cheap on Blair Street.

52

Stef,

Edinburgh 26/06/2007 03:24:32

55# Dragonhead.
Every comment you make, shows you up for the 'self satisfied' little jerk that you are. Not worth engaging in anything that would be described as adult debate.. I guess you might be quite a lonely wee chap, bless. I think you should be pitied rather than scorned..Seek help! pls

53

Monkey shines!,

Edinburgh 26/06/2007 09:08:40

Don't know what Richard and Jamie are bumping their gums about as their bedrooms don't overlook Blair street as they are at the back of the flats.
Stop whining you maggots!!

54

F.R.E.E. Mason,

Brisbane, Australia. 26/06/2007 09:53:37

Next they will be banning lolliepops due to "obesity"or something! Also I think I shagged that wee girl in the caption

55

Stan1,

Edinburgh 26/06/2007 10:32:36

This is nonsense, there has been a major club on the site of the current Cabaret Voltaire for years not to mention city cafe, the advocate, and about 4 other bars in and around the corners. If you moved to Blair Street in the last 15 years you would have been aware of the fact it is a major thoroughfare from cowgate clubs and the city centre. If you don't like noise, don't live in the city centre next to a club. I am a regular at Cabaret Voltaire and am also a smoker. We are always told by staff as we leave for a cigarette to keep the noise down, only a certain number of people are allowed out there and basically everyone is very well behaved. Next they will be trying to do what the residents next to Studio 24 (the old Calton Studios) did and ask for it to be shut down. The Blair Street lot should take note - Studio 24 is very much alive and the Residents failed.

56

Stu/Vancouver,

Vancouver,Canada 26/06/2007 22:48:45

Can anyone else remember the huge billboards I saw every day from the playground at Gorgie school . "FOR YOUR THROAT'S SAKE SMOKE CRAVEN "A ? Well, that got me started, and at 77 I'm still puffing my pipe.


 

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