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More trams relief en route for shops



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Published Date: 26 May 2008
A NEW hardship fund for traders worst hit by the tram works is set to be approved by council chiefs.
The scheme will see business rates waived for small shops which can prove their turnover has dropped by 25 per cent more than the average drop-off among businesses along the tram route.

The move comes after finance Secretary John Swinney last wee
k confirmed the Scottish Government would meet 75 per cent of the cost of such a scheme, with the council picking up the rest.

Shopkeepers along the tram route have complained their takings are being badly hit by roadworks, with traders in Leith Walk and Constitution Street claiming they are losing up to 90 per cent of their income.

It is thought the majority of these traders will be entitled to apply to the new scheme.

Currently, compensation packages of up to £4000 are available to some traders from tram firm TIE and a 20 per cent across-the-board reduction in rateable values has been agreed for most shops on the tram route.

The hardship fund, which will go to a full council meeting next week for approval, has today been welcomed by business leaders.

Graham Russell, chairman of the Federation of Small Businesses Edinburgh, said: "This is marvellous news, this is an issue that we have been pushing on for several months with the council and I am delighted they have seen sense.

"It will go some way to balance out us being let down by the rates assessor not budging on his 20 per cent and now we can hopefully move on.

"I think the cross-party support this issue has received from the Scottish Parliament has helped."

The hardship relief scheme will only be awarded where reduction in turnover is equal or more than the average downturn across the city. If the downturn is 25 per cent more than the average, the full rates relief will be awarded. For less than 25 per cent, up to 50 per cent will be given.

Officials are currently carrying out research which will determine the average effect on turnover caused by the tram works. The scheme will also only be open to shops with a rateable value up to £28,000 within 100 metres of the tram works.

The rates issue was raised in the Scottish Parliament last week by Edinburgh North and Leith Labour MSP Malcolm Chisholm, who highlighted the "severe hardship" being suffered by traders.

He said: "I am glad that the council has responded to the points that others and I have been making on this issue, and it follows on well from John Swinney's commitment last week."

Donald McGougan, the council's director of finance, said it was difficult to accurately forecast the likely cost of the new scheme at this stage.

He added: "There is clearly no 'one size fits all' solution to the problems being encountered by traders. But the scheme should apply only to businesses affected by the tram construction project and is designed to provide relief quickly to those small businesses worst affected."





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1

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 12:13:45
BUILD IT AND PEOPLE WILL COME.....
2

Euan,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 12:16:56
There is a much more logical and practical solution to the problem of compensating local traders for their losses - scrap this farcical tram project NOW and use the remaining funds to compensate businesses IN FULL for the money they have lost.





3

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 12:23:02
Why are people so against this? A world class piece of transport infrastructure is only going to be an investment for the city in the long term.

Edinburgh is in the dark ages in terms of transport infrastructure and the status quo is not an option.

Public money should be spent on projects like this, to serve the public good.

See the bigger picture folks, see the long term gain.
4

alex paterson,

embra 26/05/2008 12:44:52
The hardship fund will be approved,excellent,proving your turnover has dropped by 25%wont be to hard.
5

Euan,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 12:50:28
#3

People are so against the construction of this tram LINE because the riduculous amount of money being spent on it could have been used for far more practical and worthwhile transport initiatives all over Scotland.

If you add-in the crazy amount of disruption caused to locals during the construction period, it makes the opposition to this farcical project even more obvious.

The tram LINE is something that Edinburgh simply does not need.

With final costings which will surely end up totalling over £1 Billion, the tram LINE will then only serve a very small percentage of Edinburgh's population.

Not what I would call money well spent..
6

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

26/05/2008 12:52:22
Hey, a tram story in the Evening News!

Who'd have believed it?

Not me, that's for sure.
7

Billy Effluvia,

Paris, France 26/05/2008 12:56:10
#5

Why is the word LINE always in upper case?
8

Euan,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 12:57:27
#7

To emphasise the fact that £600 million(plus)is being wasted on a single tram LINE.
9

scotsol,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 13:06:07
#8 - thanks. I'll use my caps lock button to emphasise the fact that your views are CRAP.
10

Jenny MacArthur,

26/05/2008 13:10:14
Come on ye obsessive moaning whiners. Find more ways to spin this as a bad news story! You're pathetic with your endless negativity, the lot of you.
11

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26/05/2008 13:11:22
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Euan,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 13:17:59
#9

YEAH, WHATEVER.
13

JulesF,

26/05/2008 13:59:39
On a lighter note, the Scottish Labour Party were reportedly bulk-buying the Open university's distance learning course entitled 'How to be a Tram Driver'

It's a two year course so they need get started by the 3rd of June.

14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 14:15:15
12 Euan , scots spend about 36 Billion a year on bevvy. Not to mention the social , health and direct economic cost to business due to "sickness".

Theres a good project for you to worry about Euan. Not this one.

Tell Uncle Mario whats really bothering you as you seem to believe that your rants here are actually going to stop an infrastructure project that is underway.
15

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 14:17:35
IMBERBIS means "without a beard".
16

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 14:47:45
#5

"With final costings which will surely end up totalling over £1 Billion."

More amateur economics from the anti tram brigade.

17

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 15:05:38
#13 JulesF

"the Scottish Labour Party were reportedly bulk-buying the Open university's distance learning course entitled 'How to be a Tram Driver'"

Jules,

Do you know if it's a Post Graduate course, or are Labour MSPs buying it because they all know that they will be out of a job following the next Scottish Parlimentary Elections (by which time the tram line will have failed).

Got to say, I can't wait for this ridiculous project to fall flat on its face (hopefully when it's about halfway through) and at that point we should all remember who dreamt it up and hoisted it onto the population of Edinburgh most of who seem to be opposed to this daft notion.


18

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 15:16:33
# 17

"Got to say, I can't wait for this ridiculous project to fall flat on its face (hopefully when it's about halfway through)"

You really are a small minded individual aren't you....
19

JulesF,

26/05/2008 15:19:18
#17 I'm not sure if it is the Post Graduate course or the Gradual Post course, I do know that there is an entire chapter entitled 'How to avoid or deal with a U turn situation'
20

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 15:34:54
#18 Optimus Prime

"You really are a small minded individual aren't you...."

Well Optimus, as they say, "It takes one to know one".

Obviously my comments are hitting home and upsetting you tramophiles. Whoopee!!


21

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 15:36:11
Trams = Smart

Bus = Sub

Thats all you need to know folks. ahem.
22

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 15:42:33
Using that term to describe people who can appreciate the far reaching benefits of this scheme will bring really sums up your mentality.

Not upsetting, just pity people can't see the woods for the trees.
23

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 15:59:33
#22 Optimus Prime

My God Optimus, it must be boring to be so perfect.

I for one am convinced that this 'system' will bankrupt Edinburgh and will be of no benefit to anyone.

I look forward to being able to say smuggly: "Told you so".
24

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 16:04:36
23 Peter i am a little sad but you are beyond sad.
25

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 16:07:51
#23

Don't see how it will bankrupt Edinburgh when the Scottish Government is funding 90% of it....

Obviously you think that the status quo of a bus service running at near capacity will cope with a population increase of 150,000 (roughly the population of Dundee) expected from the waterfront developments alone.

I look forward to Edinburgh taking a step into the 21st Century and watching the anti tram brigade look for the next "waste of money" project.



26

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 16:10:54
#24 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

" i am a little sad " Would that be a little Marquis de Sad? Perhaps only 3 feet tall?
27

Bored,

26/05/2008 16:13:37
23 Peter - very disappointed/concerned

I was never in favour of the tram, but like it or not, we are getting it. Unlike you, I really hope it comes in on budget and does not, as you say, bankrupt Edinburgh. There is no comfort in being smug when all around you is crumbling.
28

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 16:13:40
Kepp digging peter.
29

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 16:16:05
#25 Optimus Prime,

Even although the Scottish Executive is paying £500 million towards the total cost, the Town Council has to find the rest and as the figures keep on rising this will soon 'sort Edinburgh out'. Unless of course Mr Salmond does a u-turn and bails them out (something which he has said he will not do).

Re the population at the Waterfront, most of them will be travelling by car, I think we can fairly confidently say that many of these folk will regard public transport as simply being beneath them.

30

LRV3468,

West 26/05/2008 16:20:26
It would be reasonable to pay the local traders 100% of all business lost while the tram line is being built, as long as they agree to pay back 25% of the additional business gained once the trams are running.
31

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 26/05/2008 16:21:13

Buying traders off !! Surest sign yet that the construction timetable is slipping.
32

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 16:22:10
#29

This will not go seriously over budget, it's not the Scottish Parliament white elephant that the anti tram propogandists try and make us believe.

Well they will find car travel extremely difficult as the over arching strategy is to cut car use in the city. The tram is just part of this. Once again it is looking at the bigger picture.

33

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 26/05/2008 16:23:04
#31

Construction timetable is bang on target - fact.
34

dogwalker,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 16:23:22
Only taxis can do U-turns (frequently in front of me). I don't think trams can do U-turns.
35

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26/05/2008 16:24:04
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36

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26/05/2008 16:33:43
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37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 16:34:27
35 I will hunt you then find you then kill you then dig you back up and get someone to hide you then hunt you and kill you again.
38

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 16:35:09
I've got nothing useful to say here. apart from the hunting and killing thing.
39

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 16:43:17
#32 Optimus Prime,

With respect Optimus, not all of the Waterfront dwellers will be working in the Town centre.

While we obviously don't know numbers at this point, is it reasonable to assume that a big proportion might work at the Gyle and locations to the West of the city, in which case they will use the coast road from Granton, passed Cramond and Barnton and out of the town at the Maybury. These folk won't need to use the trams and obviously there won't be trams in that part of the town.

Similarly folk going East won't need to drive into the City centre as they also can drive through Seafield etc to eastern areas.

The only thing that might inhibit the use of cars is if the Waterfront development doesn't have garages, car parking, etc. but then I can't see people who will be paying upwards of a quarter of a million for a house tolerating 'no parking'. I think that most Waterfront inhabitants will want to use their cars and will ignore the trams.



40

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 16:54:56
And I think most of them will use the Tram Peter as the main roads round about them will be single lane due to the trams.
41

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 17:03:18
#40 Mario,

Point taken, but there must be going to be more than one 'road' in and out of the Waterfront, there will presumably be smaller routes which will allow motorists to filter out of the Waterfront on to Ferry Road, Granton Road, etc. so I don't see this as being a problem for folk going West. Those travelling to East might be affected though, but I still can't see everyone from the Waterfront using the trams unless they have to go into the City centre.

As they say, time will tell.

42

Mallory,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 18:50:53
How much are is the Forth Ports folk contributing to this £600m+ project to enhance the value of their land?
43

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26/05/2008 19:31:39
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/05/2008 21:03:34
i dont think they have billed you yet saloux have they ? Tell me when they do.
45

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 21:12:52
16 ... If only the opposite could be the case with those incharge of this project - and limit our loss to £600 million for a pretty darn useless train set ...

The Trams will go ahead regardless folks most of us know that it is a farce and hopefully the last of the disgusting Labour parties ' jobs for the boys' schemes. We will have to live with upheaval for years to come and they will probably try the old 'congestion charge' on us again once they've blocked off and 'one way'd' all of the roads necessary so you can't get anywhere or park anywhere.

They are, forgive the terrible pun, railroading us into public transport which is not what democracy is all about. This is big brother government trying to do things subtly (!) but this Tramline is representative of the distain and disregard that this council feels toward the people. It repulses and saddens me to see these traits in our politicians and councillors as it it confirms how far apart their agenda is from the will of the people and how far down the road our political class has gone to thinking themselves rulers rather than public servants.

For those who are pro tramline I really just pity the moment you sold your soul to the Labour party to steal and squander so much valuable resource from a country that is crying out for the severance from socialism's crackpot ideas - You clearly either have a deranged utopian view of what a trainset can achive or you are employed by something that 'needs' to be pro trainsets!

Personally I will move on from Trams - it is going to be a disaster - financially and operationally and that is before one trainset runs on Edinburgh streets. But I guess we have become so dulled to flagrant incompetencies in our public service that another 'scottish parliament' that will again make us the laughing stock of the world - which is no more than the protrainset people deserve but regretfully it reflects on the rest of the nation too.

Has anyone ever seen the 'Monorail' Simpsons
46

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26/05/2008 21:40:29
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 22:13:45
'OI' ! Are you the Genuine Mario Antoinette !? I presume it's the other chap who can't spell !?

lol

Baldemort !
48

Conan the Librarian™,

26/05/2008 23:37:20
46
I went to Blackpool once.The tram system there is so archaic, it has to be supplemented by donkeys walking alongside it.
But to be fair thats usually during the Glasgow trades.
49

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26/05/2008 23:52:45
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 10:01:14
#48 Conan the Librarian™,

"The tram system there is so archaic, it has to be supplemented by donkeys walking alongside it."

Conan, Edinburgh is different, here, the donkeys are installing the trams, although maybe they'll have to push or pull them when they break down, i.e. if the line is ever completed.



51

Arfur,

27/05/2008 10:29:01
Oh so traders that lose out will be refunded by more public cash?

What about for those traders where it is already to late to save themselfs?

Whhhhhhhhhhooooo hoooooooo for the greater than £500 million number 22 bus replacement.

 

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