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Published Date: 23 June 2009
NEW tactics to detect the sincerity of benefit claimants have resulted in a huge rise in the number of cheats prosecuted, figures have shown.
The number of people reported last year for making a range of fraudulent claims rose to 49 – a jump of more than 100 per cent from 2007/08.

Council officials have hailed the improvement and put it down largely to novel techniques such as the use o
f lie detectors during interviews, and closer working with the national Department of Work and Pensions.

Among the cases prosecuted was a woman who illegally claimed £15,000 in benefits. She was sentenced to 240 hours of community service, and a man who was found guilty of claiming £6,500 in benefits received a similar punishment.

The rise comes after the council's revenues and benefits division struck up a partnership with the UK Government to pool resources and share information.

It means that they can compare people who have made single occupancy claims on council tax – for a 25 per cent discount – but who live at homes where requests for things like mobile phones and credit cards have been made in other names.

Cliff Dryburgh, revenues services manager for the council, said: "A lot of it has to do with intent.

"We have a few measures in place, including lie detectors, to see how much people knew about what they were stealing.

"Sometimes it can just be the case that it was a mistake, perhaps someone filled in a form about earnings or savings incorrectly, but other times it isn't."

He added that while it was impossible to assess just how much benefit theft across the city was going undetected, he hoped to record a similar rise in next year's figures. It is estimated that benefit cheats cost the city's economy around £6 million a year. Disability allowance and incapacity benefit fraudsters were not included as part of the findings of this report.

Conservative councillor Allan Jackson, convener of the council's audit committee, said: "A joined-up approach to tackling fraud has really paid dividends for the council and staff have uncovered some shocking incidents of deception and fraud.

"The vast majority of people who receive benefits are entitled to them but sadly, a minority of people deliberately set out to defraud the system.

"These cheats need to know that when they are found out, the council will take tough action against them and in many cases they will be reported to the procurator fiscal. The council will do all that it can to get the money back.

"We have found that people are willing to report benefit fraud because it costs the whole community.

"Benefit cheats take money that could be redirected to vital services such as schools, street cleaning and social care."


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  • Last Updated: 23 June 2009 12:11 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

StevenB,

23/06/2009 11:45:01
So when are they going to do the same to the lying, cheating, greedy MP's.
2

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Weeding the onions 23/06/2009 12:20:13
"..a woman who illegally claimed £15,000 in benefits. She was sentenced to 240 hours of community service........"

I make that around £62 an hour - and no tax to pay.
3

elayne,

23/06/2009 12:21:20
cant see it working, leave the lie detectors with the jeremy kyle show,at least its funny(love to see the chavs squirm)
4

Foo,

23/06/2009 12:29:43
"...a woman who illegally claimed £15,000 in benefits. She was sentenced to 240 hours of community service"

Put another way, she got £15,000 for 240 hours work, or £62.50 an hour.

People like this should be given community service based on the length of hours it would take to pay back the amount stolen at a wage they could expect to receive for their skill level.

At minimum wage (£5.50 I think?) that means she should be on 2727 hours of community service.
5

Liz,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 12:30:09
#2
Yes, there is no real deterrent for these people, 240 hours of community service is nothing for someone who was probably not doing much more than sitting around on their backside anyway - and will no doubt return to that once the community service is done. Its a nice life if you can get it and have no morals. At some point the workers in this country will get sick of paying for all these wasters and things will have to change, some proper deterrents would be a start.
6

Foo,

23/06/2009 12:30:21
#2

snap
7

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 23/06/2009 12:34:36
For every one that is caught, there is another 100 making fraudulent claims, trust me I know.
8

Dorian,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 12:36:29
Catch them, convict them and then ban then from claiming any form of benefits again for the remainder of their lives.
9

the plum,

23/06/2009 12:53:12
put them in stocks wearing nothing but socks...and throw chunks of ice at them...beat them, it is the only language they understand unless they are fluent in a spoken tongue, in which case they may understand many languages.
10

Xena - Warrior Princess,

23/06/2009 12:56:09
#1 Definitely has a point the MPs have screwed more money from the taxpayer. Benefit cheats should be made to work to pay the taxpayer back, like America in bright orange suits!
11

The Ayrshire Bard,

23/06/2009 12:57:09
I had no idea that mobile phones could be claimed for on benefits. Does this include the cost of calls?
12

It's Leith for me!,

23/06/2009 13:03:07
#4 too right Foo - it should be made law, that whatever the amount fraudelently claimed is divided by the minimum wage (or better still unemployment pay divided by 40hrs, e.g. £1 and hour-ish) - that would make 15,000 hrs community service - the streets are always in a mess and there's grafetti everywhere - get these b*ggers out cleaning daybreak to sunset 7 days a week - that might make them think twice about being on the fiddle
13

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23/06/2009 13:09:39
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23/06/2009 13:10:44
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23/06/2009 13:12:46
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16

Unimpressed one,

23/06/2009 13:15:01
The law for the plebs and a set of rules for the teat-suckers at Westminster and Holyrood.
17

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23/06/2009 13:15:10
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Tartan Viking,

23/06/2009 13:15:37
#4 Foo.

"...a woman who illegally claimed £15,000 in benefits. She was sentenced to 240 hours of community service"

Put another way, she got £15,000 for 240 hours work, or £62.50 an hour.

However "a man who was found guilty of claiming £6,500 in benefits received a similar punishment."

That's only £27 an hour. No equal rights here then.



19

ddmc,

23/06/2009 13:29:53
#11 the benefit agency, housing & council tax make requests with credit reference agencies like equifax & experian to get additional info on properties, which they then cross reference with there own data.

But along with all the other posters , how can 240 hours equate to stealing £15000 !
20

Foo,

23/06/2009 13:34:18
Tartan Viking

No, it's not equal. I wonder why the similarity in punishment?

I think a standard system whereby the criminal pays back the amount that was stolen at minimum wage is best. Punishment would fit the crim then. And as Mario says, the esperanto thing.
21

tomias,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 14:12:11
What about the voice recognition scheme that was to be set up in Edinburgh.
For those of an academic bias- Mr Joseph Stalin worked hard on that one-read Archi-peligo!
and Sltzz.
22

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 14:58:18
Maybe community service is the answer for MP's on the fiddle too .... it would be very humiliating for them (I'd really enjoy that part!) and perhaps they would get a taste of the real world ... !
23

Bat Girl,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 16:45:53
It's due to these wasters that there is no more for genuine cases.

Stop their benefits and make them fend for themselves
24

brianmca3,

auld reekie 23/06/2009 17:23:43
they run an advert on radio in which a creepy voice,tells us theres 3000 investigators on your trail,we will stop at nothing and use every means at our disposal to nab you
when it comes to MPs where are the investigators to catch them,after all the law is quite clear in that theft is theft and has a penalty for it on the statute book
where does it say hey scruff you will do 5 years for stealing a mars bar,oh your an MP,oh well dont do it again,and no more high jinks eh
poor you get done
an MP passport to freedom
jail everyone of them ,it may stop some
also tory party has had over 3000 people apply for the chance to become an MP when its cleaned up
didnt know there were so many carpet baggers about
25

brianmca3,

auld reekie 23/06/2009 17:27:36
use it on the maggot at the central libary in george the forth bridge
for objecting to the saltire flag
really petty nonesense ,must have been lord farty pants flooks
26

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 23/06/2009 18:11:01
Waste of time as the punishment is never hard enough.
27

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/06/2009 19:15:23
I bet Common Purpose are behind this outrage.
28

space2001,

23/06/2009 19:16:31
yah ,, id like to see them give the dodgers a job in the jobcenter,,, i bet they be the best to go weeding,,,
29

elayne,

23/06/2009 20:57:51
#17 well said!
#23 agreed!they should get off there fat lazy a*ses and stop having so many kids
30

brianmca3,

auld reekie 23/06/2009 23:09:34
why give junkies and jaikies DLA,the gov should state"As of 1st of feb 2010 no DLA will be paid to alcohol and drug induced illness"
self infliction should not be rewarded with a bigger benefit payout,whilst cancer sufferers dont get it ,unless its terminal
so someone seriously ill gets a knock back whilst jaiky joe and junkie boab get it

 

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