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Lettuce be 'aving you



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Published Date: 22 February 2008
IT has to be one of the most bizarre operations Lothian and Borders' finest will ever be involved in.
On Monday, officers more used to moving on groups of youths may instead be tasked with removing dozens of boxes of fruit and vegetables.


Joe Hussain (pictured), who has owned the Westend Store in Melville Place for 19 years, has been banned from displaying fruit and veg on the pavement outside his store.

The council wants to remove clutter on all streets that will be used as diversion routes for buses while Shandwick Place is closed for roadworks to clear the way for trams.

Mr Hussain has until Monday morning to get the goods shifted, but he has today vowed to fight the move all the way.

He said he was unsure of what action he would take on Monday, but he is looking to galvanise support from other shops across the city.

He said: "I've been putting stock out there for almost 20 years. Now I have been told I have just days to remove it.

"This would put me in danger of closing. People look at the produce outside and then come in to buy it. If we lost it, it would cost us 40 per cent of our business."

Diversions for the trams means there will be extra buses and busier pavements on a number of streets in the west end, including Charlotte Square, George Street, Queensferry Street, Randolph Crescent and Queen Street.

The council previously ordered Mr Hussain to remove goods from outside his shop in December 2005, but no action was taken after he gathered a petition of 3000 signatures. Police visited the shop with a council official on Thursday after a complaint about the clutter.

However, Mr Hussain's wife Kashfi said most people in the area were happy with the way their business was run.

"It seems the council does not support small shops. It is as if it is trying to put us out of business. This is how shops are run all over the world," she said.

The couple are being backed in their fight by Amjid Akran, chief executive of the Institute of Asian Professionals in Scotland.

"We find this alarming and are concerned about the shopkeeper who is obviously worried about his livelihood," he said.

The council said clearing Shandwick Place of street clutter was essential ahead of the diversion of traffic to make sure pavements were clear of obstructions.

Councillor Robert Aldridge, the city's environment leader, said: "The police are leading an initiative to prepare for the impending closure of Shandwick Place in advance of the tram diversion route. The council is happy to support them in this enforcement exercise. Environmental wardens are providing support to the police by visiting retailers and businesses to make them aware of the increased traffic flow expected and to ensure footpaths are clear of obstruction."

A Lothian and Borders Police spokeswoman added: "Following complaints and concerns about the expected increase in traffic volumes, a joint visit of police and council was made to premises in Melville Place."

It is not yet known if the ban on Mr Hussain's display will remain in force after the roadworks.





The full article contains 536 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 22 February 2008 2:09 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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22/02/2008 11:51:25
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PaulB,

city centre 22/02/2008 11:53:32
Perhaps I can see a problem during the diversions for the trams, but this store has been trading without any prblems for years. I really think the police and council should allow him to continue to display fruit and veg once the tram works are over. Somehow, though I doubt they will. Leave the man alone!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

22/02/2008 12:00:17
This is outrageous, the man should be allowed to sell his wares from the property that he rents surely? What's that, he doesn't rent this property? You mean he's been selling stuff on council property without paying rental for almost 20 years? Well never mind making him move it - where's the back rent?
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The Sheriff,

22/02/2008 12:01:52
It's not just his wares that need shifting,how about some action taken against his delivery vehicles and others for that matter that bring utter chaos to that busy set of nearby junctions.
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22/02/2008 12:10:43
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20something,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 12:17:09
It's a pavement. Not a market.
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Johnno,

22/02/2008 12:18:27
I take it the council will also be removing the hundreds of unnecessary sign posts that clutter up the pavements all over the city as well? I wont hold my breath.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

22/02/2008 12:22:54
These pavements need to be wider.. but until that is done i suppose it's fair enough.

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Scallywag,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 12:28:02
Its a great wee shop and certainly not a rip off merchant like some I could mention. Cans of coke 29p, brilliant The fruit and veg are fine once you give them a wash. I'd meet them half way. Get rid of the flowers on the kerbside but keep the display at the windows.

PS Duncan, If you are still reading I know we have our disagreements on some things but I am lead to believe from Fife based colleagues that the evening peak queues on the A90 to the bridge are just as bad as ever if not worse. I know there are still road works going on but who was it on the Scotsman that said we needed a lesson on how traffic flowed??
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 22/02/2008 12:31:44
plus when are the trade and standards going to stop local shop owners going to multi stores asda tesco etc and stop these shopkeepers buying all the bogof deals splitting the packs and selling them to the public its against the law and costs the economy billions each year in lost revenue
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22/02/2008 12:32:07
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

22/02/2008 12:34:34
#9 Fair enough.

Ref the bridge - well it isn't rocket science, but thanks for the confirmation. Some people don't want to believe that any new initiatives of the new world order can have downsides... :-)
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22/02/2008 12:42:31
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Southsider once upon a time,

22/02/2008 12:44:12
He owns/rents the shop not the pavement. This is not really how shops are run "all over the world".
OK if it does not cause congestion for pedestrians but with diverted traffic I can foresee a problem.
The pavements belong to the pedestrians - not to any shopkeeper who annexes them for their own business and profit.
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NorT,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 12:49:04
This shopkeeper and lots of others throughout the city are contravening the Roads (Scotland) Act by obstructing the footway. The police are right to enforce it but the should be even handed and do the same with everybody else and not pick on one individual.
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22/02/2008 12:55:36
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22/02/2008 13:00:40
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AD in sunny Livingston,

22/02/2008 13:02:22
I'm with #5 - that produce must be absolutely manky sitting out there.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!
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22/02/2008 13:04:31
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 22/02/2008 13:09:25
why are people allowed to sell produce that has been contaminated by traffic fumes,get the cooncil bin lorry in there to clear it
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Paddy McGuire,

Chatsworth Estate 22/02/2008 13:13:53
I'm with Frank, fecking poverty...make fruit and veg history!!
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Farmernot,

22/02/2008 13:14:53
Ok.......get rid of the tables and chairs which sit outside cafe's and bars which are really just convenient smoking areas.......one rule for all after all
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WKKB,

22/02/2008 13:19:56
The tram works it's misery yet again. However I agree that if Joe Hussain is forced to move his product off the pavement all shops should be made to as well. You can't have double standards here... oh wait, it's the Scottish Government... of couse they can, they do it all the time!
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FrankGallagher,

The Feather's 22/02/2008 13:22:08
Paddy, you coming for a pint
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THE BPRENTICE,

22/02/2008 13:31:32
dozens of boxes of fruit and vegetables in stores....now that's something of a rarity in GLASGOW....and that comment is painfully true - try to find fresh fruit and veg around the city centre - and good luck, you'll need it.
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THE BPRENTICE,

22/02/2008 13:32:07
from the picture I thought it was Marillion's new video.
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THE BPRENTICE,

22/02/2008 13:32:44
Joe Hussain is a cool name btw, I'd cut the guy slack just for that.
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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 13:44:29
if this is the case then all the market stalls in and around the city centre should be banned from selling their goods in the streets, Paper stands, flower stands, protesters at the the east end of princes street, salvation army handing out free food to the homeless. charity workers begging in the street for money,salvation army standing in the shop door of jenners selling war cry. does anybody have any other groups to add this is utter nonsense. All pubs and cafe's should have no seats outside as they cause a hazard to pedestrians.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

22/02/2008 13:55:48
If only edinburgh had a nicer and more affable climate.

Outdoor stuff is nice but if it stops the marching calvinists clocking in to their flexitime in the morning it wont be allowed.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

22/02/2008 14:12:35
#32 Well the thing is that all the market stalls have to pay for a license to operate, and are charged a ground rent. It's the same for the paper stands and flower stands, and the food stalls and temporary markets all over the place. Charity workers have to be licensed, as do people selling magazines and newspapers on the street.

So in fact it seems only fair that this man should be charged a rent too, assuming he could obtain permission for his street stalls. But he hasn't even asked permission.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 14:16:48
It looks as if poor Mr Hussain's shop will be another casualty of these wretched trams. I've often bought fruit there and I think it's a disgrace that he's being made to stop trading in the way he's always done. Sheer petty bloody-mindedness on the part of the Cooncil.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 14:21:20
#18, > it's very difficult for the police

No, it's not. It's much easier to bully Mr Hussain over his fruit and vegetables than it is to catch burglars and keep thugs off the streets, which is what they ought to be doing.

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Raoul Duke,

22/02/2008 14:26:23
Jingsitsme - you are a racist clown. How dare you use language such as "these people" and "own country". He's had his business here for 20 years for godness sake!
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THE BPRENTICE,

22/02/2008 14:33:52
34 Duncan in Edinburgh, I know pubs have to pay for licences to put chairs out on the pavement, so maybe Joe should do that?
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Brian Ferrari,

22/02/2008 14:49:09
Sounds like 40% of this guy's sales are attributable to his occupying the pavement. Can you imagine the pavement if all shops decided they needed an extra few hundred square feet to display their wares? Shocking. SHOCKING!!!

The brass neck of some people beggars belief. You've had it good pal. Now you're overegging the pudding. If that's the correct metaphor...
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jimmyhibs,

east kilbride 22/02/2008 14:59:25
Mon the Cabbage!
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20something,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 15:00:11
I want a bigger living room, I think from now on I'll sit on my sofa on the pavement outside the window.

If he doesn't move it send the bin men round ASAP.
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Norma,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 15:01:19
No 17 is right, there are and have been for many years byelaws forbidding shopkeepers from displaying their wares on the pavements.
Police don't seem to enforce many old byelaws today, even though they are still in force.
So perhaps people should be sure of their legal facts before they complain!
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tomias,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 15:01:55
George Street- George Hotel restricts half of the pavement with huge boxes- not out side eating-nothing done; why?
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

22/02/2008 15:03:12
Mon the Bananies !
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

22/02/2008 15:04:15
Mon the 5 quid manky bunch of flooers
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AJ Fife,

22/02/2008 15:06:57
Couldn't Mr Hussain make up the 40% loss in income by upping the sales of strong drink to the local bairns?

Everyone's a winner!
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ednbru,

22/02/2008 15:09:05
Can I state for the record, that this is not L & B finest, but far from it. It is about time all this clutter was taken off our streets, but make sure you don't offend anyone, we cannae be having that, and is there to be a counseling place for the distraught. They will no longer be able to nose out their shop windows with their suspicious looks at all the passers by, am gonnae miss that.
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22/02/2008 15:09:26
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

22/02/2008 15:11:31
It's true.

The people of edinburgh are introverted inbreds posessed by bevvy.
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Jackie28,

22/02/2008 15:45:48
#49 joe doesn't sell alcohol so what do you suggest now!
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AJ Fife,

22/02/2008 15:50:05
#57,

OK, maybe Joe could turn the whole place into a knocking shop, as per the traditions of the fine city of Edinburgh.

These consultations are free btw!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 15:50:25
It's the b----y tram scheme that should be removed.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 22/02/2008 16:17:09
Lettuce be 'aving you

Whats with the english slang in a Scottish Paper ?

SCUM
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 22/02/2008 16:17:57
Let the man ply his merchandise.
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 22/02/2008 16:26:23
Ah, tolerance and the milk of human kindness just flows from these pages. Oh wait, no, that's parochialism and narrow-mindedness.

Mr. Hussain is almost right in one statement - traders using pavement space is very common in many parts of the world. I also think he's being a bit inflexible in insisting that his goods not be moved.

Compromise anyone? (Yes, yes, I know but look it up.) Perhaps he could use the wall side of the pavement until the diversion's over?
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Shave,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 16:43:56
#60
Who are "scum"? The English? Go on, tell us the kind of person you are.
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 22/02/2008 16:47:58
#62 it's not tolerance that's needed is abiding by the law. He owns the shop NOT the pavement and those who work hard and do use the pavement have a license!

He's been there a long time knowing he was breaking the law and happy to do it so now its catching up and you are asking for tolerance!

Yes it may be in other parts of the world but this is not other parts. They have their rules for whatever and we HAVE to comply! But when it comes to this country people who come here can do what they like!

Time for change regardless of who you are - breaking the law is breaking the law.

Anyway who wants substandard food which is outside and polluted neads their head looked at. No thanks. As I said earlier if Mr Hussain's appearance says anything it does not suggest a fresh clean shop as he looks as if a bath would not be out of place.

I'm not paying council tax etc for his shop to spread relentlessly over the pavement.
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22/02/2008 16:54:34
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22/02/2008 16:59:11
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Top Floor,

22/02/2008 17:52:00

#65 Max Born

Brilliant - put a smile on my face.

I'm off for pint now.


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Jakey Rowling,

22/02/2008 18:14:08
Sir, we don't want any trouble, just kumquatly.
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Peeter Reed,

Fae Peterheed 22/02/2008 18:25:27
Am alright with if it means we get oor tram network quicker!
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Conan the Librarian™,

22/02/2008 19:37:05
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There'll be no trouble on our beet.
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Conan,

Chile 22/02/2008 19:59:04
Britain's 'pavements' have been used as extensions of shop fronts for millenia and this should be allowed to continue - with appropriate limitation, but not a total ban. If the vendor wishes to take the risk, and the public is willing to buy, then let it happen. Perhaps a reasonable compromise would be to allow the vendor to present the good only within, say, 4' of the front of the premises' structure (door/window/wall, or the like)?
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 22/02/2008 20:06:48
#65 Jingsitsme" Thank you for responding to my comment.

I'm curious - your insistence that "breaking the law is breaking the law" indicates one of two things and perhaps you can tell me which it is.

Is your apparently rigid adherence to the letter of the law simply a pose struck to support your point of view on this matter or are you really as rigid in your observance of and adherence to the law in your day-to-day life?
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David Cavers,

Kincardine 22/02/2008 20:40:25
You know, I would like to see what responce both Mr. Hussain, and Mr. Akran's would be if, someone got off a bus or taxi, infront of the shop, and tripped,fell and seriouslly hurt themselves, because of the increase in traffic. And because they tripped,fell, and hurt themselves, the injured person sued!
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tumshie heid,

22/02/2008 20:46:48
Fao jingsitsme.
In agreement with another poster,you are a racist clown.
All this talk of "they have their rules""these people"and "own country"are completely unnacceptable in our society and helps to prove that we still have a long way to go before eradicating outdated views such as yours
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Jayess,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 21:27:27
Re-claim pavements for pedestrians!
That includes repairing the surfaces and removing all obstacles. So that visually disabled persons (or even the occasionally inattentive) can walk them without losing their teeth, breaking their nose, or copping a bollard in their crotch.
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Kevin Turvey,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 21:28:29
The fact is that, Mr Hussain (like many other shop owners) has been breaking the law for many years by puting stuff outside his shop, despite being told to stop.

The law doesn't give the Council the option to let anyone put items for sale on the public footway, therefore its not a debate about whether the Council should allow this practice or not, its simply about shop owners failing to comply with the law. I would suggest that those who are strongly in favour of having stuff placed outside shops should lobby the Scottish Government to change the law, thus allowing the Council to introduce a permit system, just as they already have in place for tables and chairs. Otherwise, stop moaning and let the Coucil and the Police do their jobs as prescribed by the law.
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Max Born,

22/02/2008 21:49:51
Vladamir Putin?
Has he got a shop in the west end as well?
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Max Born,

22/02/2008 22:07:56
Well said Tumshie heid.


The life of the heart is knowledge; so preserve it,
The death of the heart is ignorance; so avoid it.


Ghazâlî
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Waspy100,

22/02/2008 23:07:19
#80
Tell mad Vlad that
Slainte
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 23/02/2008 02:14:43
the asian.professionals. are on the warpath well the scots professionals told you to move it so move it now
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donald,

glasgow 23/02/2008 07:31:13
Is there nae wee boys playing fitba in the streets? The Lothian and Borders police seem to have plenty of time in their hands. Did they fly to London, clocking up air miles, to report to BEA HQ about the missing miniatures in found in Glasgow houswife's hoose?
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cookin we gas,

the toon 23/02/2008 11:54:30
what the heck is wrong with you people????? have I slept for a thousand years and woken up in a scotland full of nazi's? Take a look at the bus roots as they stand there are already shops that display their goods on the street, why should the disgrace of a coulncil think they can further disrupt the city by not only making it imposible to drive around,walk around generally be around but now the livelyhoods of small local shops should be affected too?? This tram fiasco is already costing us stupid money they should be asking this guy nicely if he minds removing his stuff for a coulple of months and paying him for the loss of earnings.(however I do agree that eating stuff which has sat in traffic all day maybe is'nt the healthiest thing)
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

23/02/2008 12:24:53
#84 I'd be quite happy to recompense him for his loss of earnings IF HE HAD BEEN PAYING RENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

He has known he had no right to do this for years. This is no surprise to him at all. And it has nothing to do with the trams, and everything to do with laws that have been in place for decades.

Trading on the street requires a license and, usually, the payment of rent. His rights to do as he please extend to the edge of his property and no further. There's nothing "Nazi" about it, it's fair and reasonable and the only sensible way to ensure that the streets remain usable by the majority.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 13:38:26
17 NorT,Edinburgh

"This shopkeeper and lots of others throughout the city are contravening the Roads (Scotland) Act by obstructing the footway. The police are right to enforce it but the should be even handed and do the same with everybody else and not pick on one individual."

Absolutely correct.
Just this morning a four/five year old boy accidently knocked over a box of oranges placed outside a local shop.
Thr shopkeeper emerged to harangue the mother while claiming she should pay for those fruits damaged.
He was quickly advised of this article and
" withdrew"

 

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