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Jet-set councillors and their officials take five flights a day



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Published Date: 26 June 2008
COUNCILLORS and officials are taking an average of five flights a day on city council business, it was revealed today.
And two-thirds of the total 1875 individual flights taken last year were for journeys within the UK.

It is understood the flights were mainly for officials and councillors attending conferences or meetings with other local authorities across the
country.

Air travel is one of the fastest-growing sources of carbon emissions, a big contributor to global warming.

The city council has its own carbon reduction targets of 20 per cent less emissions by 2015, 30 per cent by 2025, and a zero-carbon economy by 2050.

Opposition politicians and environmental groups today hit out at the flights and called on city leaders to lead by example in reducing their carbon footprint.

Mark Sydenham, spokesman for Friends of the Earth Edinburgh, said: "For journeys in the UK, taking the train should be the default option, with people only being allowed to take a flight in exceptional circumstances. The council should lead by example if it wants city residents to change their travelling patterns."

Earlier this month the Evening News revealed that Alex Salmond took a plane and a chauffeur-driven car to Manchester when he went to watch Rangers in the UEFA Cup Final.

Environmentalists hit out after the First Minister flew down for the match but had already sent a government limo ahead to pick up the tickets and drive him back afterwards. The story broke days after it emerged that Mr Salmond had twice taken a chauffeur-driven car the short distance from Bute House to George Street.

Councillor Steve Burgess, the city's Green Party environment spokesman, added: "Nearly 2000 flights seems an awful lot, particularly when you consider that over half are for travel in the UK.

"I will be asking what the council's policy is on flying and why so many officials are being allowed to fly on business."

In May last year, the council signed up to a programme to reduce its levels of carbon emissions. It was

the 14th Scottish council to agree to a plan to deliver improved energy management to reduce emissions.

The Local Authorities Carbon Management programme is designed to reduce emissions in areas under local council control, such as buildings, vehicles, street lights and landfill sites.

A council spokeswoman would not elaborate on the figures, revealed in a written answer to a question due to be debated. She said: "Answers to members' questions are made public in the appropriate and agreed forum, namely at meetings of the council. This allows for supplementary questions and for discussion to take place. Therefore it would be inappropriate to comment on any written answer prior to the council meeting itself."





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  • Last Updated: 26 June 2008 11:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 12:36:57
"Alex Salmond took a plane and a chauffeur-driven car to Manchester"

That is inexcusably idiotic. It would be far quicker to drive to Manchester than to take a plane.

Anyway, Salmond isn't in the council.
2

sc_uk,

26/06/2008 12:43:13
#1: What? It only takes 45 mins to fly to Manchester. What kind of car do you have?
3

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

26/06/2008 12:44:30
Alex Salmond is convinced he is in fact Alan Sugar. He'll be wanting Apprentices next.
4

Keith 1,

Edinburgh, UK 26/06/2008 12:46:05
Correction Andrew Picken

"limo" - you mean a contract lease Volvo!
5

Epicuras,

26/06/2008 12:53:38
#2 not 45 mins to fly; first you have to get from edinburgh to the airport - quick by green lane bus but not if in a ministerial car, you have to book in 2 hrs in advance, wait a couple for yer bags and another couple to actually get from the airport to manchester itself - surely alex wouldn't abuse his position to bypass the delays everyone else has to suffer
6

Stan Dup,

26/06/2008 13:05:23
And two-thirds of the total 1875 individual flights taken last year were for journeys within the UK.

And were these return flights or did somebody just not bother to come back?

And one third must have been outwith the UK. To see how they empty the bins in Nice, or Barcelona or California no doubt.
7

Nell,

Far from the Struan 26/06/2008 13:06:38
No. 3:- Dont you mean padawans rather than apprentices?
8

alex paterson,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 13:08:16
Alex Salmond was within his rights to use the mode of transport he used,in his place what would you use.
9

sc_uk,

26/06/2008 13:09:32
#5. It is 45 mins in the air and you wouldn't have to check-in 2hrs ahead or wait for bags if you were down there on business. I'm assuming by your comments you stack shelves for a living and have never flown on business.
10

Nell,

Far from the Struan 26/06/2008 13:09:49
With the price of diesel/petrol this might save the council money.
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 13:20:54
#9:

#5 is right. You still have to get to the airport, then through "security". Then you have to assume that the plane actually leaves on time, which 9 times out of 10 it does not.

When the thing lands, you also have to assume that you get on to the apron and park up straight away, which many times you do not. Then you have to get from the airport to wherever you are going by car.

It's a total nightmare. Only in exceptional circumstances would you ever beat someone in a car on that journey.

Manchester is 219 miles away from Edinburgh. If you know what you are doing in a car, you could probably crack that in just over 2.5 hours. You could spend that time just waiting around and being faffed about in an airport---and you've still got the 45 mins in the air to add to that.

And yes. I have flown on business before but I far prefer to drive and get a good night's kip in a hotel before a meeting, rather than get on a plane at stupid o'clock in the morning and struggle to stay awake during the rest of the day whilst hacked off and annoyed.
12

Bien E. Bien,

26/06/2008 13:36:13
#12 - got to agree with you there. For journeys of less than 300 miles, there is generally little difference in total door to door time between driving and flying.

In terms of comfort though, there is little comparison.

Having to get to the airport, the inevitable waiting around, the dirge of going through security, and then being cramped into a little seat whilst I breath in other people's flatulent air?

Or just cruising door to door in the V12 with a bit of Spiritualized playing. I know what I prefer.
13

Scotish Exile,

26/06/2008 13:48:06
private Lear Jet is the way to go!
14

Johnny Yen,

26/06/2008 13:53:30
Fat Eck could do with the exercise.
15

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 13:58:07
Is it any wonder the airport is busy nowadays - its our councillors flying here, there and sodding everywhere.

This needs to STOP NOW!
16

Angus R,

26/06/2008 14:14:43
Be at the airport 2hrs in advance!!! WTF??

#11 "Then you have to assume that the plane actually leaves on time, which 9 times out of 10 it does not."

Using that rationale you could also assume there is loads of traffic and your car breaks down so it IS quicker to fly.
17

Cynicaltalk,

26/06/2008 14:55:11
So 9 out of 10 of all aircraft are late departing?

90% of all aircraft are late departing? What planet are you on?!

And check in closes 30 minutes before departure,not 2 hours.

And why not fly down the night before your meeting, so that you still get your good nights kip?

In no way is driving a viable option in the UK nowadays for these sorts of journeys. If you can get to Manchester in 2.5 hrs from Edinburgh, you must be breaking a lot of road traffic laws to do it. It'll take you the best part of 30 mins to get out of the city! Then you've got the endless stream of road works, speed camera's, average speed camera's, dithery drivers and caravans on single carriageway roads, not to mention the cost of fuel and parking. So you have to assume that you will arrive late, stressed and considerably poorer when you reach your destination.
18

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26/06/2008 15:36:53
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19

Mallory,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 15:54:18
Why can't they use video-conferencing like the rest of us - it's even free with Skype or Yahoo?
20

Bring Back Poll Tax,

26/06/2008 16:18:36
#11 "Manchester is 219 miles away from Edinburgh. If you know what you are doing in a car, you could probably crack that in just over 2.5 hours." What you actually mean is "If you're a completely irresponsible moron you can try to drive from Edinburgh to Mancheter at an average speed approaching 100 MPH".

Any sane human would realise that 45-50MPH is a more reasonable average for any journey operating during daylight hours under ideal conditions.

Under such circumstances, (e.g. the world of reality)the only viable options are the train or plane. Sure, my car is expoentially more comfortable than even first class by train (where you can't adjust the air conditioning - even if it's working - and exclude noisy rug rats) but 4 or hours in the car is utterly dead time - I refuse to have my phone even switched on whilst on the move as an in-depth conversation with a colleague is a distraction.

So right on Mr Salmond - plane/car it to get best use of executive time - for DC numpties, it really doesn't matter how much time they waste so they may as well save dosh and get the bus.
21

Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 16:41:11
Oh dear another Alex Salmond smear from that fine stable of newpapers in Edinburgh.

Really dredging the barrel now but hey that's what biased and parisan journalism is all about.

Why not a report about Mr Balls and his good lady wife fiddling £32k in allowances not due. That would be fraud anywhere else but like Wendy, it was somebody else's fault.

Ah dear, Lord Haw Haw would have been very proud.

22

Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 16:46:45
Maybe the Scotsman and the Evening Times could save the planet cos the amount of hot air that comes out of their journalists is absolutely incredible.

Carbon offsetting is the technical term I believe.
23

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 17:13:11
#21:

OK, so maybe 2.5 hours is cutting things a bit fine, but I could certainly make it in 3.

"Then you've got the endless stream of road works, speed camera's, average speed camera's..."

There are no speed cameras or average speed cameras on the A720, the A7 or the M6. Roadworks are a fact of life, as are strikes by baggage handlers and suchlike that cause major delays to air travel. Let's just discount both of them for the time being shall we?

"dithery drivers and caravans on single carriageway roads,"

...can be dealt with quite easily and safely if you have a powerful car and know how to drive it.

The car is the best option when going anywhere in the UK and also most places in mainland Europe. The only time I'd fly by choice is if I had water to cross and there wasn't a bridge, a ferry or a ship that I could use. It's not the flying that bothers me per se. It's all the faffing about that I can't stand.
24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 17:14:20
Sorry, that should have been A702, not A720.
25

Cynicaltalk,

26/06/2008 17:33:35
Why discount road works?

Is it because it does not suit your argument?

I bet you encounter far more delays on the road caused by roadworks, than you experience delays caused by baggage handler strikes.

According to the police website, they regularly have speed traps (MOBILE CAMERAS) established:

On the A7 Galashiels, Buckholmside to Bowland
On the A7 Hawick Sandbed to Galalaw
On the A7 Stow to Bowland
On the A7 at Crookston

Not to mention A702 Dolphinton to Medwyn Mains.

You have no idea the number of guys in 'powerful cars who know how to drive them' who have ended up wrapped around a tree, or worse, wrapped into an oncoming car.

The car is the worst option to travel. Its expensive, you don't get very far, your persecuted at every opportunity by the govt, police, petrol companis and service stations. Not to mention having to share the road with people who have questionable driving skills, and therefore are very capable of killing you through their actions.

Or you could sit back in the lounge with a coffee, or something stronger, before sitting in your seat and checking out the stewardesses bum for 45 mins.

Lovely.
26

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town - 30mph 26/06/2008 18:12:59
#24 Fuel Head > OK, so maybe 2.5 hours is cutting things a bit fine, but I could certainly make it in 3.

219 miles in 3 hours is an average of 73 mph. Which is, of course, in excess of the maximum legal speed you would be allowed to drive at on the motorway sections. And it would matter not a jot to traffic officers that you have the notion of being a super duper driver and therefore absolved from observing motoring laws.
27

Alannah,

26/06/2008 18:58:36
Have you tried organising a day's business based on the railways' schedule? It's darn near impossible for most destinations - a sad reflection on the state of the UK's railways. Either we invest serious money into long-distance rail and reduce journey times, or the cooncil will have to go on putting its people on domestic flights.
28

lulach mac gille coemgain,

26/06/2008 19:42:36
Ahh - so now we see why Edinburgh Airport Expansion is on the cards - these *@‹†@®ds that make the desicions are the cause o all the POLLUTION and FLIGHTS !
29

lulach mac gille coemgain,

26/06/2008 19:55:16
Win Flights to Barcelona ! With the Cooncil !
30

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

26/06/2008 22:09:28
There's nothing like a fly guy
31

Ezekiel Gazooks,

26/06/2008 22:49:55
If none of you have anything better to do than this, have you thought fo getting the rubbish out of the Water of Leith?
32

Ian down under,

Kawerau 27/06/2008 00:26:24
Salmond could have gone to Manchester on the train. It is run by First Group a Scottish company based in Aberdeen and he is apparently keen to promote the economy of the Granite City.
Anyway why did he go to Manchester when he is not a Weegie and presumably not a bluenose, and did he go to Gothenburg in May 1983 [all true Scots and not just Dons fans will know what I mean].
33

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27/06/2008 11:58:07
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34

geekpie,

forfar 27/06/2008 12:19:03
Few employers are better at providing jollys for their workers than the council. What councillor wouldn't jump at the chance of attending a meeting that they could fly to. Great fun.

Council leaders need to get a grip on this.
35

Ian down under,

Kawerau 27/06/2008 23:58:20
Politicians always take ages and ages and sit through committee after committee before they ever do anything. So why do they need to fly to places? The speed they work at they could do just as well if they walked.
Flying is fine if you need to get somewhere fast but if you just want to go to meetings and hear points of order and all the usual rubbish they chunter on about why can't they just sit in front of a computer with a wee camera and never have to leave their own offices.
I bet they are the ones who are first to switch on the cellphones when the plane lands and start talking loudly to let people see how important they are, while they people paying their own fares [and the politicians' fares quietly get on with their day.
36

jimb4abobor2,

Edinburgh 26/07/2008 01:26:26
yes i agree the planes should be out as they are the biggest poluters. I think i'ts time the cllrs look up on technology and use video-phone insted or even the internet you can do wonderfull things over this now without moving from ure chair. ack but c'mon thats too simple and they dont think on the simple things only the most time consuming and cost-consuming after all to act big you have too spend big to look good eh ? or what.
37

Bemused and above it all,

31/07/2008 15:58:55
#11
Manchester could be reached in 2.5hrs? its 219 miles away?
by my reckoning thats 3. something hours, assuming theres no road works, which there usually is 9/10 times. Assuming theres no terrible weather, which 9/10 there is, assuming you dont need a pee and assuming that you are not driving in excess of the speed limit, which 1/10 times you do. Given that 9/10 fatal crashes are caused by excess speed, making the vehicle outwith the control of the driver who believes themselves to be 'safe', you really are a great advert for air travel!
38

Bemused and above it all,

31/07/2008 16:00:42
#41
You should try living in glasgow, all the jolly's are for one particular football team!
Even the Velodrome being built for the commonwealth games was earmarked for their use, before the public could access it, thankfully the EU put that one into touch.
39

Bemused and above it all,

31/07/2008 16:01:08
never thought I'd thank the EU for anything, but hey there you go!

 

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