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Published Date: 14 February 2008
THE number's up for an Edinburgh bingo hall that has been forced to close after an 80 per cent drop in players since the smoking ban.
Gala Bingo, in West Granton, once boasted around 8000 customers a week – but numbers have slumped to as low as 1500 since the ban came into force.

On Saturday night, the decision was finally taken to close the club, which opened 12 and a half yea
rs ago.

Manager Janet Duncan said loyal customers had been left "devastated". She said: "It's all very sad. You got to know so many faces, the regulars. For our loyal customers the news of our closure has left them devastated.

"What's put us out of business has certainly been the smoking ban. Also, a bus service that used to stop at our door and pull in punters from Leith and Pennywell no longer runs."

A spokeswoman for owners Gala Coral refused to say why it had closed the hall but said the smoking ban alone could not be blamed.

Elsewhere in the city, other bingo clubs have also noticed a significant drop in numbers.

The duty manager at one hall, who declined to give his name, said: "The smoking ban has affected every gaming establishment but the more people get used to it, the more likely they are to come back. I don't think bingo is on the way out. Around the time of the ban, online bingo was taking off."

The Bingo Association, the body representing the game, said around 40 clubs across the UK had closed in the past year.

Paul Talboys, the association's chief executive, said 189 clubs across the UK are currently under the threat of closure.

"I think bingo has been particularly affected by the smoking ban because a high percentage of our customers smoke and the revenue generated is mainly from non-bingo activities in the intervals, such as people going to the bar and using the slot machines. Nowadays customers rush outside for a fag at the interval," he said.

"Most operators report that they are seeing new faces. But it's going to be a while before there are enough to replace the old faces."


£200 fines for breaking law

SINCE the introduction of the smoking ban in March 2006, city council officers have issued four £200 fixed penalty notices.

Of the four smokers caught flouting the law, one was caught in an office, another in a shop, one in a licensed premises and one in a workshop.

A further eight £50 fines have been handed out to people caught lighting up in vehicles.

Now the city council is to share its expertise in enforcing the ban with a global audience.

The council will submit an online presentation to a US-based training website aimed at helping developing countries introduce similar legislation.

John Rafferty, a smoking and health enforcement officer, said: "Our approach to implementing the smoking ban was very much non-confrontational in style."







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  • Last Updated: 14 February 2008 11:12 AM
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1

JulesF,

14/02/2008 12:12:38
Now the city council is to share its expertise in enforcing the ban with a global audience.

12 people in two years ?


Wow that's expertise !
2

Statsman,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 12:18:17
Where is the comment from an ASH spokesperson? Surely they should be able to tell us about how it is a good thing that businesses are closing and people are losing their jobs.
3

mrmoneypenny,

14/02/2008 12:23:50
#2 Nothing to do with people dying of cancer, stinking other people out etc.
4

Sumpplareasswholes,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 12:29:26
probably too many fat ladies needing exercise
5

Paul Voltaire,

14/02/2008 12:30:46
Sorry to hear of the closure as I was waiting on one number for the jackpot.
6

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/02/2008 12:34:51
#2 "A spokeswoman for owners Gala Coral refused to say why it had closed the hall but said the smoking ban alone could not be blamed."

7

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14/02/2008 12:39:10
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8

A Leither,

14/02/2008 12:39:15
Quality journalism once again. Consider:

"A spokeswoman for owners Gala Coral refused to say why it had closed the hall but said the smoking ban alone could not be blamed."

Yet what's the EN headline on a shoddy story that it took two journos to write ?

"It's game over as smoking ban kills off city bingo hall"

It wouldn't be anything to do with the fact the the majority of the players were ladies of a certain age who smoked like chimneys and probably didn't do much exercise except move a pen over their bingo cards, would it ? Most were likely to be slowly shuffling their ways of this mortal coil through their lifestyle choices anyway, so no wonder the numbers dropped.
9

Statsman,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 12:43:03
This comments board is no stranger to weirdo anti-smokers. Get a life and leave other people to live theirs without interfering.

Maybe you can't?
10

A Leither,

14/02/2008 12:46:57
#9 - Just like you can't let we non-smokers live our lives without interfering and polluting the air.

And by the way, I'm a weirdo ex-smoker ;-)
11

Statsman,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 12:48:58
10 A Leither

There is such a thing as compromise... not that it seems to be an option in this increasingly oppressive state.
12

big big fun,

14/02/2008 12:56:17
6 # you might find that gala are selling the land as part of the waterfront development.
13

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

14/02/2008 12:59:26
The government knew closures would occur they had stats which they didn't disclose or were manipulated so they didn't look as bad.

#9 no-one is asking to interfere in your life all smokers ask for is freedom of choice, let there be smoking and non smoking venues, pubs etc give the public the choice.

No one lives their lives 100% healthy, they drink, they eat to much fatty foods, to much salt or sugar in foods etc

Its only a matter of time before we are all told how much to drink, eat and sleep.

Non smoker by the way.
14

TheTerminator,

In The Future 14/02/2008 13:06:53
Pubs and clubs closed,bingo halls closed,jobs lost,social life for many of the elderly and disabled destroyed,society divided and polarised,a new breed of snoopers--ISN'T IT TIME TO RETHINK THE SMOKING BAN TO ALLOW CHOICE.
15

48thfloor,

14/02/2008 13:07:22
#7

"Still, wonder what all the decrepit inbreds and benefit sponging single mums will do with their days now." - Are you aware that not all single mums are benefit sponging inbreds??!
16

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

14/02/2008 13:10:23
#7 What about the 70 and 80 year olds who no longer go to these halls ot pubs because they can't indulge their habit, this was the only social contact some of these people had.
17

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 14/02/2008 13:21:13
Eighty percent of bingo players smoked? That's amazing. It must have been hell on Earth inside and anyone who'd been there would have had their hair and clothes so reeking you could smell them from Glasgow.
18

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

14/02/2008 13:29:48
#18, #19 must be great being so self righteous and perfect, all people are asking for is freedom of choice, neither of you drink, drive a polluting car and eat nothing bit healthy food.
19

Edin,

14/02/2008 13:30:21
The smoking banis thebestthing that has happened to public places. There is NOTHING worse than a stinky smoker. And they think they dont smell. Big yellow fingers. Not attractive at all. I like to be able to walk out of a bar smelling of the same perfume i went in wearing. Not stinking of smoke all over. I used to have a shower when i came home at 3 am from a club because i couldnt stand the smellof my smokey hair..

No one is stopping anybody from goingto Bingo. They are stopping themselves because they cant handle a few hours without smoking or to go outside. What a shame for them .NOtttttttttttttttt
20

S.E,

14/02/2008 13:37:41
#15 Fully aware, however I can assure you at that bingo hall not one of them had done a days work in their lives. They would que up in the morning waiting for opening and would threaten you at closing time because they were convinced they would get a big puggy win in the next 10 mins. Meanwhile I had to answer the phone to their kids informing me that they wanted their dinner. And people wonder why the area is riddled in youth crime.
21

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/02/2008 13:41:17
#8

John Gibson's articles are always "reviewed" (more accurately re-written) by another journalist due to the incomprehensible tosh he spouts.

I can't see where JG's self interest is in this story though... are Gala having a closing down lunch?
22

Jane Plane,

14/02/2008 13:42:36
The smoking ban seems to get the blame for the demise of many things. Does nobody remember that smoking was banned in cinemas and theatres years and years ago. Yet it was the video that almost killed cinema. Its easier to blame the ban than to look for the real reasons why business is down. Trends come and go. Things change. Its called progression. Its change. Get used to it.
23

TheTerminator,

In The Future 14/02/2008 13:47:35
The level of debate from those in favour of the Smoking ban is pathetic and seems to be limited to -

a.Abuse of smokers.
b.Can't stand the smell of smoke.
c.Don't have to wash anymore.
d.Smokers are the unemployed.
e.Hatred of smokers.

IT IS TIME FOR THE POLITICIANS TO RE-THINK THIS

SMOKING BAN.

24

Mikey,

14/02/2008 13:48:47
So why are some non smokers afraid of choice? Why are they afraid of smoking and non smoking pubs etc.?
25

roadstohell,

14/02/2008 14:04:42
What you all seem to forget is that it takes balls to play bingo, "I'm scunnered"
26

roadstohell,

14/02/2008 14:07:31
It's game over as smoking kills off Bingo crowds
27

Politically Incorrect Thank You Very Much,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 14:08:23
I'm a heavy smoker and enjoy a smoke with a pint. However, I am all for the smoking ban as I feel it is unfair on non smokers to put up with the smell and ill effects caused by passive smoking. I couldn't give two hoots about going outside for a fag. I remember as a non smoking youngster on the top deck of the bus going home from work the stink of cigarettes which I found disgusting, why I ever strted is a mystery to this day. It really is THAT bad for non smokers as far as I'm concerned.

What I do find rather odd is that you can buy a product in a pub but you may not consume/use it on the premises, ie. the sale of an overly priced 16 pack of fags.
28

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 14/02/2008 14:13:13
let's hope it kills off others in city as well especially one at Gilmerton.
29

MacHibee,

Granton Gala Bingo! 14/02/2008 14:23:08
Look at what else has happend since the smoking ban (1) increase in internet usage (2) increase in online bingo company's

I used to smoke a lot, but only when i was in a boozer. Since the ban I hardly ever smoke, so technically I'm going to live longer - HAPPY DAYS!

Do these people want to play bingo or smoke? If it's the latter, I may create a smoking club in Granton, charge a small fee and let these (majority) neds smoke themselves into a Lambert & Butler induced coma!
30

Journalistic licence,

Mecca Bingo Hall 14/02/2008 14:26:21
"What's put us out of business has certainly been the smoking ban. Also, a bus service that used to stop at our door and pull in punters from Leith and Pennywell no longer runs."

Funny how the headline doesn't say "Bingo Club closed because Lothian Buses pulls service". Doesn't have the same effect does it?
Must be a first for a death caused by not smoking. What's the world coming to? Let's all take up smoking and live forever.
31

TheTerminator,

In The Future 14/02/2008 14:35:55
It is an Internationally accepted fact that Second Hand Smoke does NOT KILL despite the propaganda flooding the media from the Anti-Smoking organisations.
I accept that not everybody likes the smell but surely having smoking and non-smoking establishments is the answer. A survey of 1000 pubs and clubs in 90 days is being planned which will give the real situation in the hospitality industry. To take part visit http://www.Innthecold.com , it is in your interest to find out the truth of the effects of the Smoking Ban.
32

MacHibee,

Bingo Wings 14/02/2008 14:38:53
I think they should bring smoking back, but only if people use cigarette holders like "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas"

That would be cool
33

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 15:09:23
Scrap the inane smoking ban. No arguments. Just do it.

Fact: Passive smoking does not exist.
Fact: There is no reason for a ban.
Fact: The only effects this ban has had has been negative.
34

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/02/2008 15:26:09
#41 Wahey! I was waiting for that. I love it when you prefix all your baseless statements with "Fact". Absolutely love it.

Yer wrang.
35

Xena - Warrior Princess,

14/02/2008 16:06:37
They should have had the guts to ban tobacco altogether. It is this that causes the grievance. I do not think they will rescind this ban but I do believe that there should have been choice for the publican and the bingo halls who have seen their profits decimated.
36

Ham Shank,

14/02/2008 16:19:37
*40 Mario, after reading your comments on subjects such as these i can only conclude that you are opposed to anything that may be the slightest bit enjoyable or fun even if it is bad for you. Surely people are old and ugly enough to make the decisions for themselves?

Or do you advocate a lifestyle such as this

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/living-in-a-big-glass-tube-can-add-40-years-to-your-life%2c-say-experts-20080108643/

I take it you also think nobody should eat cured meats (bacon, sausages) cause they give you a higher chance of contracting lung cancer too?
37

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14/02/2008 16:22:35
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SPG,

edinburgh 14/02/2008 16:27:46
#41. Fact: The only effects this ban has had has been negative. Wrong. I gave up and save £40 a week! Duh!
39

Dragonlord,

14/02/2008 16:36:50
CHOICE! CHOICE! That's all we hear from smokers. What about the non-smokers CHOICE to enter a pub or club, and not have to brethe other people foul stench? If you MUST use the CHOICE card, PLEASE think it out first.
40

48thfloor,

14/02/2008 16:39:27
#48

You seem to be missing the point. The choice would be as a non smoker you could choose to go to a non smoking pub and the smokers of the world could choose to go to a smoking pub.
41

earnabob,

14/02/2008 16:46:34
I love how smoking is so fixated upon these days.
Did anyone see the documentary listing the top 20 dangerous drugs in the uk ?
Smoking was at 9 which surprised me (a smoker), but alcohol was at 5 (I drink too).
So why aren't they banning alcohol too ?
That would really make for an exciting bar - we could all sit and chew Khat though.

42

Gopher,

edinburgh 14/02/2008 17:13:23
8 people fined £1200 in two years. How many smoking and health enforcement officers does the council employ?
43

TheTerminator,

In The Future 14/02/2008 17:18:06
I see the level of debate among the Anti-Smokers is still pathetic and resorting statements like "foul stench", addicts etc. Have you been so brainwashed by the last Scottish Executive and ASH that you cannot discuss the subject in a reasonable way. What is wrong with having choice.This smoking ban is divisive and a social disaster as well as causing job losses.
44

The cook,

Scotland 14/02/2008 18:01:31
Sorry but I think the smoking ban is for the best in the long run for society. People will get used to it, youngsters thinking about it hopefully won;t be so willing to start smoking. Think about it you can;t smoke anywhere now, apart from ones home or outside, so whats the point..Travelling on long flights and train journeys must be worse cause you cannot even go out for a fag.at your convenience. Cruise line industry starting to go that way too...totally smoke free cruising which I donlt beleive in by the way..Surely it is OK for someone to have a fag on deck at ouside at specific places.

As an ex smoker I honestly think it is great to be able to go for a meal in an enclosed space lik ea pub or for a drink and not have to suffer the smell and smoke going up your nostrils and in your eyes, I have also known lots of folk who I never thought had it in them managed to stop smoking...Some say what about the choice but trouble is people have to work in the place so I cannot see how that could work indoors.

45

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 14/02/2008 18:01:36
over 2 million of tax payers money up in smoke for a useless ban smoking haas actually went up in britain re the amount of tobacco sales so our taxs go up to give out useless jobs which when i applied to get one was told its in house in other words jobs for the boys/girls
46

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14/02/2008 18:03:40
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47

Diana,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 18:12:35
#14 and others. Your "choice" to smoke is killing others who don't. Face up to it for once - smoking IS bad for you and for others around you.
48

hayleym,

14/02/2008 18:22:02
honestly i think its not so much the smoking ban, but the fact that online bingo is taking off.
most people have a computer or laptop nowdays and find it more conviniant to play at home, whislt they can smoke and drink to there hearts content, plus its warmer too.
i play on line and enjoy the chat side of it too, and i can potter round doing things indoors and chat on the phone at the same time.

oh yes and its cheaper at home too.
49

S. A. C.,

14/02/2008 18:29:28
We are getting closer to a big brother state, what happened to basic human rights? What would all the non-smokers say if they were told they were not aloud to fix their cars themselves because it may endanger other people, or your not aloud to operate D.I.Y. equipment or they had to worship a GOD of the Prime Minister's choice, what about posting comment's on newspaper websites in case it offends people. silly you may say but think about it for a while, take a look around and find all the things that may pose a danger to you or others.
50

walter,

14/02/2008 18:45:36
The smokers say all they want is choice yet the non smokers hit back with where is my choice of not to smell of or breath in other peoples smoke when I enter a pub or club.
What non smokers don't realise is there is not a choice when they enter a pub or club they will not breath in or smell of smoke so there is no choice there.
They would have had that choice if the ban had not been made out of spite but instead made in an atmosphere of compromise where they were smoking and non smoking establishments.
If that had happened then smokers would have had the choice of smoking inside while on a night out as they would go to smoking establishments and non smokers would have had the choice of not breathing in or smelling of other people smoke as they would go to non smoking establishments.
As for not smoking in someones work place then the applicant would know before hand and decide for them self if they wished to work in a smoking establishment.
At least that way they would have a choice unlike prison officers or the police who have no choice whether a criminal smokes in their workplace ie prisons or their vehicles.
51

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 14/02/2008 18:51:24
Walter: The pubs and clubs were given five years from 1998 to propose solutions other than legislation. Those could have involved separate areas, some pubs smoking and some nonsmoking, air filtration, or pretty much anything else they cared to try.

When the five years were up they were asked what they'd come up with and answered "nothing".

So the Scottish Parliament legislated as they'd said they would.

So the "compromise" you ask for was available for rather a long time, and the pubs and clubs refused it.
52

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/02/2008 19:37:00
#61 Absolutely right AFoFP, except that in fact the SLTA (that's the licensed trade, not the lawn tennis people) told the government that their consultations had established that voluntary non-smoking establishments alongside smoking venues could not be made viable in a competitive market, and they *asked* for a legislative solution to the health problems posed by tobacco smoke.
53

mandyv,

14/02/2008 21:14:51
22 Edin,14/02/2008 13:30:21
SNIP~ I like to be able to walk out of a bar smelling of the same perfume i went in wearing.

There is talk of banning that in Canada, that is the problem, not everyone likes choking on your carcinogenic perfume.
Would I want it banned NO,

http://www.ourlittleplace.com/chemicals.html
3. BENZYL ACETATE (in: perfume, cologne, shampoo, fabric softener, stickup air freshener, dishwashing liquid and detergent, soap, hairspray, bleach, after shave, deodorants)
Carcinogenic (linked to pancreatic cancer); "From vapors: irritating to eyes and respiratory passages, exciting cough." "In mice: hyperanemia of the lungs." "Can be absorbed through the skin causing systemic effects." "Do not flush to sewer."

8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/15 article9 state
for some strange reason hmm it has been changed to OC 255/16 Paragraph
14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
We need to get this ban amended to include ventilation,
freedom2choose.info -- need your support

Hatred is not healthy for our children or Countries!




54

walter,

14/02/2008 21:16:19
The bottom line is that the hospitality industry was requested to "on a voluntary basis" establish non smoking venues.
Restaurants had responded (very poorly) to this and 21% had by 2003 become non smoking, pubs and clubs were worse as none had become non smoking.
It was decided then that legislation would have to be taken and although public opinion was for a ban on the number of pubs and clubs that were to become non smoking it was against an outright ban.
The industry may have done itself no favours by their attitude to do nothing and request legislation but that does not mean that the outright ban was not spiteful and against public opinion.
55

TheTerminator,

14/02/2008 21:16:35
#61 and #62

Voluntary bans on buses,in shops,restuarants and pubs did exist before the smoking ban but it was a tactic of ASH Scotland to say that overall they did not work ( it suited their purpose of achieving a total ban).The initial bill put before the Scottish Parliament was only to ban smoking where food was served but the Labour Party decided to go for a total ban. I agree that where food is served then smoking should be banned but in " Wet led pubs" there should be a choice available to the landlord to decide if his establishment is smoking or non-smoking. After all the landlord is the person who knows whether the majority of his customers smoke or not.
56

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 14/02/2008 21:28:09
Lets visualize the, not too distant future,!

""It's game over as smoking ban kills off city Pubs""
57

is it me?,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 21:52:39
What's wrong with non-smokers going outside for a fresh-air break ? (in Edinburgh? Hah.) Sod 'em!
(non-smoker)
58

Euan,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 22:17:25
I can only say that it's sad and pathetic that so many people have not gone to play bingo simply because they can't smoke at the same time.

They could EASILY go out for a smoke when there was an interval or whatever.

The smoking ban is one of the best things ever to happen in Scotland and what we are seeing are the hardened smokers getting weeded-out, in time, people will realise they can actually play bingo and do other activities without having to light-up cigarettes every five minutes.

59

is it me?,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 22:35:55
#68 Euan
Oh dearie me. Bingo is not an activity. It's a non-activity.
Caber tossing is an activity. My father tossed the caber every day of his life. Often with a Woodbine in his mouth. "Licht me up Hen!", he would say to my Mother as he wrestled with his twin vices, (the caber and the Woodbine)
...(to be continued.)
60

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/02/2008 22:40:09
#66 Interesting vision Charles.

What we sometimes forget when pubs close and the inevitable blame is placed on the smoking ban, is that Edinburgh is way over-populated with pubs. We would benefit from losing 50 of them easily. Which is why when places like the Illicit Still or the McEwan's Ale House moan about the smoking ban I have little sympathy. Fewer people drinking is a good thing for our city. We shouldn't wail over the loss of a few third-rate pubs.
61

is it me?,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 23:00:32
#70

Non sequitur.

There are too many pubs,aye.

Threat of closure because of the non-smoking ban applies to all of them. Not to your preferred premises.
62

Paul Voltiare,

14/02/2008 23:16:06
So 80% of the punters really only went to light up. They used the bingo as a smoke screen. Good riddance to them then - let them pollute their own homes & inhale their own toxic fumes instead of contaminating the atmosphere with their disgusting anti social habits.
63

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 15/02/2008 01:30:23
TAKE UP HORSE RACING GO TO THE TRACK WE DO OVER HERE GREAT NIGHT OUT HAVE A BEER A SMOKE AND A BET 6PM TO.12PM
64

TheTerminator,

In The Future 15/02/2008 01:35:55
What is the true effect of the Smoking ban, a 1000 pub in 90 days UK-wide survey will reveal the truth, to take part visit http://www.Innthecold.com
65

Aslan,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 02:50:30
#71 - I think the salient question is, have any GOOD pubs shut because of the smoking ban? In Edinburgh, I suspect the answer is no.


#74 - I think we've got the message about your bl**dy website address by now, thanks.

Please stop spamming us with it on every thread, regardless of subject!
66

Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/02/2008 09:13:12
#71 No it doesn't. Pleasant, successful, well-run pubs are not closing. The ones that are closing are those which have had little or no investment, or have lost their client base through demographic changes, or have had better competition open up in their market. The smoking ban applies to all pubs, aye, but it is only the crap ones which are closing, and we are generally well rid of them.
67

ten pound tourist,

australia 15/02/2008 10:23:25
i think these people might live a little longer if they dont smoke and give the hospitals a break from the wheezing and coughing nutters
68

english charlie,

suffolk 15/02/2008 10:54:06
What has the smoking ban achieved?
More people are smoking at home.
More people are drinking at home.
More landlords are going bankrupt.
More barstaff are going on the dole.
A few non-smokers are now going out to drink in almost empty, smoke-free pubs.
It looks like a great success?
69

David from New Mills,

U.K. 15/02/2008 13:08:22
#78, chas w.
What have U.K. smoking restrictions achieved?
Some people may choose to smoke at home, as they always have.
Some people may choose to drink at home, as they always have.
Some pubs may be closing, as they always have.
Some barstaff may be changing jobs, as they've always been a mainly transient workforce.
Many smokers and non-smokers are enjoying the pleasant fug free atmosphere previously denied them.
Must dash soon to my three fug free pubs, and enjoy this successful legislative change.
Pip, pip chas!
70

David from New Mills,

U.K. 15/02/2008 13:16:51
#41, Petrol Man.
Fact-passive smoking gets up your nose, and in your throat and eyes.
Fact-there was every reason for smoking restriction legislation, as the so-called hospitality sector couldn't put their house in order.
Fact-the legislation has had a very beneficial effect on the atmosphere in enclosed public spaces. Long may it reign, and even be extended.
Notice p.h. hasn't mentioned factoids. They were popular for a while on smoking threads.
#43 TGMA.
I've been trying to work this out myself for years.
71

jock,

15/02/2008 14:23:00
by the calling of names about your fellow citizens and slagging others who wish to smoke all you paranoic FUDS are TELLING THE REST OF US WHAT KIND OF CHARMING PEOPLE YOU ARE. now youve got me doing
72

english charlie,

suffolk 15/02/2008 16:02:46
#80.David.
Your Facts are utter rubbish. For example 'Fact-passive smoking gets up YOUR nose, and in YOUR throat and eyes'. They may get up YOUR nose etc but not mine and I doubt if they get petrol head's.
73

The cook,

15/02/2008 17:41:40
#82
Smoke gets up my nose and in my eyes sometimes and it did so even when i smoked years ago in an enclosed space, Not so long ago I and my pal had tears streaming out of our eyes because of smoke in a pub. That was only a few times when it was really really smoky...and if someone is next to you with a fag and the smoke wisping up to you. I usually moved my seat if one was available. It is not people just moaning about the smoke, it really does affect you (well me anway)
74

english charlie,

suffolk 15/02/2008 17:57:43
#83 The cook. I sympathize for you and anybody who suffers like that, but had that pub had proper ventilation such problems wouldn't have occured. What I was pointing out to David and you are making the same mistake, is the use of the word 'you'. I notice, however, that you have stated at the end (well me anyway).
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David from New Mills,

U.K. 15/02/2008 19:41:59
#82 & 84, chas w.
For the sake of grammatical nicety, I would suggest that chas. and others with comprehension difficulties substitute the word "one's" for "your". I shall endeavour in future to use the word "one" in future to satisfy chas' sense of propriety. One was able to enjoy one's drinks to-day in a fug free atmosphere, as always. I doubt that Petrol Man's nostrils could tell the difference, but one shouldn't be too surprised by that. One is looking forward to enjoying one's drinks in more fug free hostelries to-morrow, even if chas. cannot.
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David from New Mills,

U.K. 15/02/2008 19:47:32
#81, jock.
Charmless jock would appear to have labelled himself quite clearly, so that one is aware of just what kind of individual he is, so that one knows to steer well clear of him.

 

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