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How 80s office block's looks could save it from the chop



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Published Date: 19 February 2008
THE former headquarters of United Distillers looks set to be saved from demolition – and the 1980s office block may also now achieve listed status.
Developers Rumney Manor want to tear down the distinctive Balfour Stewart House in Murrayfield to make way for housing, including a seven-storey block of flats.


But officials have now recommended the plans be refused at a meeting tomorrow, following objections from heritage groups and local residents. Historic Scotland is now set to list the building, which was designed by Scottish Parliament architects RMJM. Elizabeth McCrone, an inspector of historic buildings with the body, said they were currently considering the merits of the Ellersly Road office block.

She added: "We have not arrived at a final view on the merit of the building. The reason it is being considered is because it is a high-quality example of a 1980s office building designed by a leading architectural practice of the period. It is one of the best of its type and its careful plan form and rigorous geometric design add to its interest."

Ms McCrone said listing decisions were not normally made while planning applications are live or during the six-month appeal period applicants have if they are refused.

Investment company Rumney Manor say that, despite being only 27 years old, the building is no longer suitable for use as a modern office and, as a result, they have been unable to find a tenant. They also say renovating the interior for accommodation or office use will not be financially viable. Instead, they applied for permission to demolish the building and build 119 flats, as well as a number of three-storey townhouses.

However, city planners have now said the demolition would result in the "unacceptable" loss of a building "recognised for its architectural quality".

Yvonne Holton, cases committee officer with heritage watchdog the Cockburn Association, said an alternative use should be found for the building. She said: "Conversion to private residential use, student accommodation or as a hotel would be suitable for the West Murrayfield conservation area."

Neighbours had raised concerns that the proposed development was too big and would be too close to other homes. Among the 41 objections to the proposal were also fears about extra traffic in the area.

Local councillor and city transport convener Phil Wheeler was among the objectors. He said: "A considerable concern of local residents, and to myself as transport convener, was the suggestion that there would be spaces for over 150 cars on this development.

"Considering the site is within easy access of the bus stops on Corstorphine Road, I don't understand the need for this amount of parking. My concern is about the impact these vehicles will have on Ellersly Road, which is already congested at peak times."





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  • Last Updated: 19 February 2008 10:43 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
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1

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 11:59:01
Ugly-looking thing.
2

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 19/02/2008 12:03:50
What is nice about that building that it has to be kept.

sounds fishy - more like easy option to avoid dealing with murrayfield people being up in arms about new housing in 'their' area!

Cop out of council!
3

alex paterson,

embra 19/02/2008 12:20:53
Listed Status for an eyesore,whats going in the heads of these officials and residents.
4

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:32:48
You should see the hideous plans the developer has put forward for the flats and houses. 400-500 people moving into a previously non-residential site.

It'd turn an already congested corner into a complete nightmare.

It would be possible to residentially develop this site in a sensitive way but the greedy developers just want to cram as many mugs into a tiny area as they can.

And what's wrong with Murrayfield people being protective about "our" area, #2? Some of us work non-stop to be able to afford to live somewhere peaceful and quiet.
5

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:33:01
Knock it down, it's disgusting. This is why I can't be bothered with arguments based around 'you can't do that, it's a listed building'.

Spot-on #2.
6

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:36:06
I see the envious folks who can't afford to move away from Leith are out in force this afternoon.
7

Brian Ferrari,

19/02/2008 12:40:56
I quite like this building. !'m sure it would be good enough to let out - just reduce the amount of rent.

This sounds like a developer acknowledging the state of the commercial property market and wanting to cash in on a residential development. Maybe someone will be careless with matches!
8

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:42:55
I agree, Brian. It's an interesting piece of architectural history. It always depresses me when the "in my expert opinion it's ugly, knock it down" brigade get going about these things.

The owners could make a reasonable amount on the property as a commercial let but the price they are asking for is extortionate in the context of the area.

9

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:47:09
#6. You have a problem with Leith? At least they live in the 'real world'.
10

fionac,

19/02/2008 12:47:41
think the headline should read "80's office blocks looks" to type "block's" means block is!! You'd think as a journalist you'd know your basic grammar!!
11

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:50:30
#10, really???
12

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:52:28
#9, I simply mean that just because YOU live somewhere nasty and overcrowded (Leith being an example of such a place) don't think it's fair to bring everyone else down to your level.

I don't think working all hours in a professional job, saving as hard as you can and taking some responsibility for yourself so that you can have a nice quality of life means you don't live in the real world. Well, given how many people see benefits and handouts as "real world", I guess maybe people like us are in a minority now.

Some of us 20-somethings have worked hard for what we have.
13

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:53:33
Fiona are you joking?

It's a possessive.

14

Think Tank,

19/02/2008 12:54:33
Another mockery of the listed building status. The good old Cockburn Association sticking in their two pence:

"Conversion to private residential use, student accommodation or as a hotel would be suitable for the West Murrayfield conservation area."

...when it's perfectly clear that none of those options are remotely financially viable.

Here's the problem for the Cockburn Association and the other "heritage" watchdogs- go ahead and list non-functional buildings, but then YOU go out and try and find uses for them, without dipping into the taxpayer's purse.

Don't then moan when they lay empty for the next 30 years so they can then hit your "danger list".

These people don't live in the real world. If they want to fund the refurbishment of this building from private funds go ahead, but it will STILL struggle to find anyone to make use of it. And all the while they'll block a plan for private investment into new functional and aesthetically pleasing buildings.


15

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:56:47
Those suggestions are pretty stupid, I agree.

Particularly student accommodation.

I think they have put focus on the wrong issue here. Re-development is fine but building Sighthill #2 towerblocks isn't.
16

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 12:58:50
#12, put the dummy back in. YOU don't know where I live (it's not Leith, but I do like it there).

My level? What is my level? You don't know that I am not in a prefessional job with responsibilities.

I'd suggest that we are actually in quite similar positions, except my head is held high and not stuck up my a**e, unlike you.
17

Brian Ferrari,

19/02/2008 13:00:41
#10 Fiona

No kidding? Back to school for you.


#9 20something

I can assure you that Murrayfield is very much the real world to people who live there. Grow up a bit.
18

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:01:47
Heh.

I deduce that you can't afford to live somewhere nice because of your chippy tone when it comes to people who DO live somewhere nice. I know your kind well. You moan about how "rich" people have all the advantages in life and feel sad looking around the Gorgie one-bed you bought with the taxpayer's help through that stupid First Time Buyers Charity Fund.

I work hard and I'll defend "my" residential area and quality of life just as hard. Bit depressing that you think this is the same as having one's head up one's whatever.
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

19/02/2008 13:02:19
Knock off the "real world" stuff. It's boring. Besides, nobody would claim to live in the "unreal world" or "surreal world". Except possibly me.
20

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:02:37
#17, the real world isn't referring to Murrayfield. It's referring to Meep's world. Think boy, think.
21

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:04:24
Too late to backtrack, 20s.

And a bit rich of you to be telling other people to think.
22

Brian Ferrari,

19/02/2008 13:06:36
#20

Chill for a bit. Then grow up.
23

Sarcasm,

19/02/2008 13:07:18
Elizabeth McCrone, an inspector of historic buildings with the body.

Indeed, some frontage on her apparently.
24

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:09:49
You enjoy your quality of life then Meep. I now accept that you work harder than everyone else therefore we should build no more houses in Murrayfield and that people in a less privileged position should have no means of investing in a home.

Thank you for helping me understand.
25

Polwarth Soldier,

19/02/2008 13:12:32
meep..

I live in MY very nice flat in Polwarth. I have, however, lived in Leith and the people are genuine and the community feel is second to none.

I live at the west side due to the quality of the house and location of my office, the people are not nearly as nice and keep to themselves.

You know nothing. You are a complete "stevie nick" and make me want to throw up.

You are a bum.

26

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:14:31
Oh do grow up, 20s.

It's perfectly easy to "invest in a home". There are thousands of empty properties across Edinburgh, including Murrayfield. Building more and more faceless newbuilds is just storing up problems for the future.

27

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:17:14
*chuckle*

You're entitled to your Irvine Welshalike rose tinted view of the world, Polwarth (aka 1 Street Up From Gorgie).

I don't really get the NIMBY-hating thing. Not wanting to live in an overdeveloped hellhole seems like a pretty reasonable position to adopt, as far as I can see.
28

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:17:25
It is not perfectly easy. There is a need for more homes and especially more affordable homes.

Perhaps it was easy for you. That does not mean its the same for everyone.
29

Brian Ferrari,

19/02/2008 13:18:09
#25

No, what you are saying is that YOU have more of an affinity to the people of Leith than of Polwarth. Some people like their neighbours to keep to themselves.

You pays your money......
30

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:22:07
20s - that is a ridiculous myth. The city is dripping with property. What's lacking is work ethic.

It was easy for me in the sense that I did what my parents did when they were saving up for their first home (i.e. I worked consistently, didn't go out to the pub every single night and didn't take a few years out to travel and "find myself").

If you're a working person who can't afford a flat it's perfectly easy (and affordable) to rent until you can.

Building reams of affordable housing isn't going to help anyone "get up the ladder". It's a basic principle of supply and demand - if supply meets demand your property isn't going to go up in value and you're going to find yourself there for the rest of your life.

Unless, of course, you try saving up.
31

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19/02/2008 13:31:00
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PC Plod,

Leith 19/02/2008 13:37:16
mmm "designed by Scottish Parliament architects RMJM" now there's a building/eysore that does need to be knocked down!
and to all you Leith knockers - w*nkers
33

Paul Voltaire,

19/02/2008 13:39:50
I like this building
It may not be to evryone's taste but it still deserves to be listed.
34

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:40:00
Yeah, sorry. That was pretty much just me.

Poor Leith. I didn't mean to malign it. It was in the wrong place at the wrong time as an example of somewhere where urban regeneration might actually be helpful.

35

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

19/02/2008 13:45:23
Most pompus poster of the day ? I wonder.



36

Delboy,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 13:47:26
Am I the only person who thinks that this building is actually quite attractive?
Please save us from yet more ugly toytown cheap new build flats or, worse still 'student' accommodation.
As it's been lying empty for so long perhaps the Scottish Government should intervene; it would make an ideal HQ for Registers of Scotland, enabling the eyesore that is Meadowbank House to finally be demolished.
37

Arrow,

edinburgh 19/02/2008 14:03:48
i think it is a very good building and i was in it when it first opened and occupied by DCL. the finishes were second to none and the standards and facilties for the employees were fantastic. list it and prevent the tat that is spreading around Edinburgh from being foisted on this area. as for relocating the Registers of Scotland it would be ideal.
38

raythebear,

edinburgh 19/02/2008 14:08:48
what do expect from hopeless edinburgh planners
39

Pop goes the Weasel ,

Gorgie 19/02/2008 14:34:37
I dont know, what do you expect?
40

Brian Ferrari,

19/02/2008 14:42:14
#39

I'd expect them to ask that the "To Let" sign in the photo is taken down.

qv
41

Pop goes the Weasel ,

Gorgie 19/02/2008 14:58:28
Why's that #40?
42

Hector the Red,

19/02/2008 15:03:54
Surely it irrelevant whether it stays or gets knocked down. With global warming heading the way it is and Murrayfield being in a natural flood plane it will all be underwater in 30 years time anyway.

Confusious says "Always buy the house at the top of the hill!"
43

Mallory,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:19:19
Make a good location for some affordable housing or yet another five star luxury hotel. And it is on the TRAMWAY.

It is much less valuable architecturally speaking than the structures that Caltongate hopes to destroy.
44

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:29:31
Haymarket is about as close as the tramway will be.
45

tomias,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:37:03
No one remember the Thomas Risk fiasco? And the non Lourdes cure for altzheimers ?
The building is at least half hidden- no real architectural merit even in its situation; but it only matters to the relevent snouts in and around this area and indeed elsewhere in EH1
46

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:38:58
It's in EH12.

And what do you mean by "snouts"? The only snout here is the developer who wants to profit at the expense of other people's quality of life.

Again, you sound like someone with a bee in your bonnet about everyone who isn't forced to live in the same place you are.
47

AndrewS,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:45:43
At an acceptable price any building can be let. Its called market forces.
48

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 15:50:10
The development won't impact on anyone's quality of life, exept maybe the people who get a nice new home.

"Again, you sound like someone with a bee in your bonnet about everyone who isn't forced to live in the same place you are." Change the record.
49

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 16:04:09
Well it will turn my peaceful street into a congested pain in the neck filled with traffic fumes. The building work will be noisy and polluting and go on for over a year.

We'll have people staring directly into our bedrooms and living rooms and a high rise shadow across the garden.

Of course there are only about 50 people living in my complex. So what do we matter?

And what do the opinions of the headmasters of the overcrowded local schools, the transport convener and wildlife and heritage experts matter?

Clearly your 20something planning knowledge exceeds all of theirs and your spiteful little opinion is more worthwhile than that of the planning committee.
50

I love to eat Sellotape,

19/02/2008 16:04:28
"Mummy, mummy can I knock down an 80s building?"

"Of course you can, my dear. Which 80s building would you like to knock down?"

"The former headquarters of United Distillers, in Murrayfield. Can I mummy? Please? Please?"

"Okay. Here is a hammer."
51

Meep,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 16:08:02
Heh - surreal!
52

20something,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 16:22:35
You can't 'close' an area because you can't see past the end of your own nose.

My spiteful opinion might not matter to you but it is just an opinion after all.

Stop with the selfishness. If you want peace and quiet move to the countryside.
53

Deek1875,

19/02/2008 16:27:11
Meep you cheeky munter :), I worked my ass of for my first flat in Leith. Granted, there are still some 'characters' about but it's otherwise a great place to live! I'll be gone by the time my daughter reaches school age but for my purposes now it's grand! True though, flats like that would create a terrible bottleneck up and down Murrayfield Road.
54

J G W,

19/02/2008 16:27:20
tsk, harumph etc etc
55

Liam,

19/02/2008 18:23:44
It doesn't look all that ghastly in the photo.
56

Spiderdog,

Barnton 19/02/2008 18:30:52
Being fortunate enough to live in an area which is far nicer and has a higher percentage of rich people than Murrayfield and Polworth put together, I feel one has to point out that one doesn't particularly care where te lower orders build thier little hutches so long as they dont build them here. Now stop bickering or one will be forced to release the hounds.
57

Sarcasm,

19/02/2008 19:12:39
Nice try but smart people don't add percentages to make an argument like you're trying to.

Is there a known cure for Joppa jealousy.



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19/02/2008 19:13:25
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 19/02/2008 20:33:13
#56 - you are one very sad character where you appear to judge people by how rich they are. Says more about you than anyone else.

I think you will find if you look inwards you are (using your words) the lower orders not us. What a horrid person you would be to know if you were only friends because of money.

Richness comes from the heart. Money helps but not the be all and end all. You think it can buy you out of things etc but it wont. Look in the mirror!!!!

#56 you don't need to be so rude.

I stand by what I said in 2
60

Spiderdog,

Sunny Leith 19/02/2008 20:56:18
Oh lighten up a bit for god's sake. I'm only having a giggle at the expense of meep and 20something and their petty rivalry.
Peace & Love folks.
61

Young Gordon,

The Shore 19/02/2008 21:50:01
Peace man! #60 As for love, Valentines day is over.
ps how did u get passed the moderator? #58
62

Julian,

EDINBURGH 19/02/2008 22:30:30
20something

I agree with Meep.

This city has had thousands of new properties built in the last few years. If the longstanding people who live here want to call time on this population boom then that's their right.

Otherwise we'll end up in gridlock with no green spaces.
63

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 20/02/2008 00:50:08
i keep looking at the picture off this building and saying to myself they must have the wrong building why would you protect that iwould give this one to mountgrange for demo
64

20something,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 09:47:41
#60, even I noticed that. Petty as I am...
65

JFW,

New Town 20/02/2008 10:36:02
Whatever about listing this building, permission should be refused on the basis that that many flats especially high-rise style, does not fit in that area of Edinburgh, and then there is the extra congestion and other knock-on effects from suddenly increasing the amount of people living in an area like this. There will be a lot of people think who the hell cares about the rich folk of Murrayfield but this development will ruin a beautiful area and too much of that is going on at the moment. Just look at those awful developments on the side of Corstorphine Hill over beside the Junction on Queensferry road that leads down to Davidson Mains. There are too many awful developments like that going on. This should remain as office space - supposedly there is a lack of that in the city at the moment, although I suppose we could do with another hotel, there hasn't been one given the ok by the council in at least 48hrs.
66

melville,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:24:38
I think the majority of you are missing the point.

Whilst the building may merit being listed, there is no commercially viable use for the building in its current form.

The building would have lain empty and disused had it not been for a commercial developer buying it (as per the majority of any city/town centre) but it must show a commercial return to enable them to continue to do this. Simply saying that it will rent out as offices if the rent was lower is a nonsence argument
67

Meep,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 14:15:18
Not really Melville. Corporate greed is the problem in this particular case.

 

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