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Fringe stewards broke up CND peace vigil 'like Chinese police'



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Published Date: 14 August 2008
STEWARDS hired by the Fringe have been compared to Chinese police for trying to block a peace vigil, chasing performers from the Royal Mile, and ordering shops to take in displays.
The staff, who are hired to manage the street performance spaces and patrol the area around the High Street, have also been accused of preventing a non-accredited journalist from carrying out interviews.

One steward told the Evening News they had been told to "disperse anyone standing in a large group drawing attention to themselves".

Opposition councillors today demanded an investigation into the apparently heavy-handed tactics and called for city leader Jenny Dawe to apologise.

The Fringe has a public entertainment licence to run the High Street, which this year was also extended to The Mound for the first time.

One group to experience the stewards' long-arm of the stewards Among those to experience the heavy-handedness were members of the local Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) branch, who were holding their annual commemoration of the Hirsoshima bomb blast on The Mound in the pouring rain.

They said stewards told them the area was reserved for festival performers only and told them to leave. The ensuing stand-off, on August 6, resulted in passing police officers intervening to resolve the situation. The group eventually agreed to move away to finish the vigil.

A council spokesman today said the CND group was asked to move away from the licensed area because it had not notified anyone of the vigil.

But former Labour council leader Ewan Aitken, an active supporter of CND, likened the situation to the clampdown on protests at the Beijing Olympics.

A spokeswoman for Edinburgh CND said: "Thirteen of us braved a downpour to sing, give readings and contemplate Hiroshima, as we do every year.

"We were hassled by staff for being in an area allocated to Fringe activity. We explained our understanding that it is a public gathering place, we were careful not to form an obstruction." and that it was a vigil for the dead of Hiroshima.

"They said that it was for performers only. We pointed out that there was not a performer in sight, because the area was awash with rainwater"
Labour councillor Gordon Munro, a CND member, said: "It's totally over-the-top. The Mound is a traditional public place for speeches and protests."

Cllr Aitken added: "This was not Beijing, this was Edinburgh.
"I will be asking serious questions of the SNP/Lib Dem administration about this unacceptable attitude as it is they who, in the end, have responsibility for this."

Yesterday, a group of Polish actors reported that they had been "asked to disperse" after leafleting on the High Street.

Marcin Bortkiewicz, director of Padamme, Padamme, a play about life in Poland before the fall of Communism, claimed his actors were told to leave because they were "drawing attention to themselves", while Alaric Trousdale, assistant manager of Royal Mile Whiskies, said he was asked by a steward to remove a barrel from his store-front earlier this month, which he declined refused to do. He later received an apology for the "misunderstanding".

One of the orange-clad stewards, who asked not to be named, told the Evening News: "We've basically been told to disperse anyone standing in a large group drawing attention to themselves."

Fringe chiefs today insisted leafleting is allowed.

Fringe director Jon Morgan said: "If anyone wants to organise an event on The Mound or the High Street during the Fringe, all they have to do is contact the Fringe office in advance."and make us aware of their plans.

"The Fringe holds a temporary public entertainment licence so that everyone can enjoy the fantastic Fringe atmosphere in a safe and organised manner. Our stewards manage the performances spaces and timetable all the outdoor action over the festival so everyone who wants to take part gets the opportunity to do so."

A council spokesman added: "This is an unfortunate situation but the CND did not give notification of their event to the Fringe or to the council and as a result were asked to move a few feet.

"If, however, the CND would like to gather at any time in the future we will be able to accommodate them and inform them of any diary clashes that might occur."

The full article contains 732 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 August 2008 10:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

alex paterson,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:11:34
Jenny Dawe and her posse at its best,apologize or get a new sheriff.
2

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 12:16:20
It's a public space, no? Democracy and freedom and all that?

The Fringe Office appear to be too incompetent to be given this level of power. Either they should train the stewards properly, or they should leave it to the police to keep order. As if the ticket fiasco wasn't damaging enough, now we have bossy jobsworths creating ill-feeling and ruining the atmosphere.

The Fringe Office are here to serve the interests of the performers and visitors to Edinburgh - not to be an incompetent bureaucratic spanner in the works.

Th
3

Bill MacD,

14/08/2008 12:21:56
This is a disgrace. They may have a license to control the area. But this is in the heart of the public space of our city. And to have some little hitlers from the Fringe trying to impose their own political views to censor a peaceful process is an outrageous abuse of their privileges. If this sort of behavior continues, the Council must certainly retract the fringes rights to have any say beyond their own box office. Utterly disgusting.
4

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:22:13
Fringe director Jon Morgan and his fellow 'Fringe chief' Luvvies need to be forcibly reminded that their orange-anoraked jobsworths have no right to even speak to a member of the public in a public place, in any official capacity. What authority does this self-important (and self-appointed) organisation have to 'require' notification of any lawful activity?
5

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

14/08/2008 12:33:27
Its incredible that you can have bouncers telling you what you can and can't do on a street. Time to fight this nonsense.
6

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 12:38:41
CND annual Hiroshima protest ? What about Chernobil ?
What about commmunist bombs ? CND= campaign against American armaments .
7

alex patersons English teacher,

14/08/2008 12:43:31
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you leave jennys posse out of this, shes just a genital giant.
if you get my gizt.
8

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 12:45:12
Its good to see the fringe taking responsiblity by hiring these guys.
As for the cnd louts, they souldnt be out without their carers anyway or a responsible adult
9

D2,

14/08/2008 12:46:42
Perfectly right and proper that people should commemorate Hiroshima or indeed any other event that they feel is significant to them. But why the necessity to do it in a particular spot with no connection to the event? Why the focus on the need to notify the council -surely this is a requirement at any time of the year and irrelevant to the fringe?
Finally if the stewards are really under instruction to move on anyone with a crowd around them drawing attention to themselves- surely this means that any street performer is in breach of the fringe orbganisers own ludicrous rules?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:03:43
The "stewarding" of the Fringe has got quite out of hand in recent years---maybe that's why attendance numbers are down.

However, that said, it's about time the CND were on the receiving end of a good kicking. They are nothing but a group of un-educated, beligerant, knee-jerk morons who don't wash. And they are subversive to boot, with a history of attempting to cause damage to this country's defences.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:05:39
#5:

I'd like to see them try and tell ME what to do.

Love the handle by the way!
15

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

14/08/2008 13:08:31
Foo, I'm sure these "stewards" like most steroid crazed, seeking revenge on the world because they were bullied at school nightclub bouncers would be able to, if you didn't do as they say, get several of them to sit on you, do all kinds of torture holds on you and radio the police to take you away and the plod would always take their word over yours.
16

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 13:09:58
13 well said !!
17

Bonzo,

14/08/2008 13:13:04
#14 You're a real hard man are you?
18

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 13:17:21
#14 is manlier than Manly Mick the Manly Man. Most of his posts advocate violence on some group or other - students, peaceful protesters, cyclists, in fact anyone who isn't a bullet-headed scowling 'proud to be an ignorant idiot' type such as himself. So hard - I wonder what he's over-compensating for?
19

James Andrews,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:19:56
These stewards have no rights under law. They can request, but cannot enforce. If they use any force they can be charged with assault. They are obviously being used as if they were in a private venue but on a public street they must act differently. Who ever is hiring them is reponsible for ensuring they are properly briefed and trained.
James Andrews
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Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 13:21:48
Come to think of it, #14, why don't you stomp off to China or somewhere else they can use jack-booted and brainless thugs such as yourself? Or join the army or something? Your type is not welcome in a civilised and peaceful country such as Scotland.
21

FF,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:23:21
Knee-jerk, Alternative (High Octane) Black Pot?

Un-educated and beligerant. Shouldn't that be belligerent?
22

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 13:24:42
oh no I agree with pertrolheid
i think am gonna hang meself ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#10 I am an airse why? because you disagree with me
tough tittie
23

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 13:25:03
hey tittie gets through the censorship lol
24

Artemis,

14/08/2008 13:30:44
Can't wait to see how they cope when there are union members picketing the City Chambers and other council buildings next Wednesday.
25

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 13:33:01
#22 and 23: The reasons why you are an airse are probably complex and numerous, however it doesn't alter the fact that you manifestly are such an entity. You and petrolhead both.
26

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:40:50
Donald,

When you have managed to actually grow and develop a brain, you MIGHT be in a position to judge me. Until then (if it ever happens) please shut up.

At least do me the courtesy of actually reading my posts before you spout off about me supposedly advocating violence against students, cyclists etc. If you had actually taken the trouble to read what I write and think about it rather than skimming over the first few lines and picking out a couple of well-chosen words---which you then take out of context---then you will realise that your assumptions are far wide of the mark.

If "my type" is not welcome in Scotland then it is because YOUR type have ruined the place.

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Well, you certainly have a little knowledge and your attitude is dangerous to the well-being of the country.
27

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:50:29
FF:

Sorry about that. I'll make sure I install the latest spell checker on my web browser in future.
28

Epicuras,

14/08/2008 13:53:30
they have no legal standing to move anybody on - just tell them to p*ss off. we've all far too eager to bow down to self appointed power junkies - about time we reminded these folk, politicians and their lackies, we pay for them and they're here to serve us, not the other way around
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Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 13:54:42
Petrolhead, do excuse me...I must have been dreaming when I thought you wrote 'it's about time the CND were on the receiving end of a good kicking'.

I'm glad to hear you are a reasonable person who is fair-minded and civilised, and I look forward to reading your constructive comments in the future.

And my apologies for undermining the security of the UK with my dangerously extremist support for democracy, and my obviously misplaced antipathy towards thuggery.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 14:07:56
#29:

Ahhh!!! Now I see why you threw your toys out of the pram. If my thinking is correct, you are either a member of the CND or an ardent supporter of it. Well chum, you and your mis-guided "mates" have a lot to learn about defence in general and nuclear weapons in particular. Their presence has KEPT THE PEACE for over 60 years.

From the history of your daft organisation, you have collectively done all you can to interfere with the security and defence of this country---a subject that none of you know anything about. To interfere with the defence of the country is to interfere with MY personal safety and security and the safety and security of everyone else in the country INCLUDING YOURSELVES.

Whilst you may be quite happy to leave this country without a deterrent, I am not and neither are the vast majority of others. Maybe this thing in Edinburgh was a peaceful protest. I can't comment. I wasn't there. However, history is dotted with plenty of "protests" by CND where damage has been caused and (indirectly) life threatened.

If you are that hung up on "commemorating" an event which brought an end to a despotic and murderous regime then please go over to Japan and do it there. Leave the rest of us out of it.
33

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 14:18:53
I'm not a big CND supporter. I just don't agree that they 'need a good kicking', and I'm sick of reading cynical, depressing comments which advocate casual violence.
34

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 14:22:02
#30
so copy and paste is a explaination?
that sort of rules out intelligence and debate with you, when is school back? ask your primary teacher to expalin, then come back.
I will leave donald duck and petrol to argue the rest as they seem to be doing rather well at winding each other up.
toodle pip for now
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igloo,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 14:38:38
Well put #32

I don't agree with how the demonstrators were dealt with.

However, your comments are very true, having these weapons have kept the peace, defended the Realm and protected British interests overseas.

We have a Ministry of DEFENCE, not a Ministry of WAR as some people think.
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Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 14:51:37
#35
It is well known that when someone lowers the tone to personal insults, they are far from capable of holding s discussion never mind a sensible debate
and before you state donald, that is a jest not an insult as you have posted
38

John Gibson's Toyboy,

Embru 14/08/2008 14:54:19
This happens every August. They give weedy little twerps sweatshirts with 'steward' on them and they think they're Robocop. This is to compensate for the rest of the year when people just ignore and/or punch them.
39

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 14/08/2008 15:03:44
#32 Tell me Mr Heid, "Whilst you may be quite happy to leave this country without a deterrent, I am not and neither are the vast majority of others."
Do you think all countries need a deterrent? Shouldn't we encourage them to have one - the world would be a much safer place!
40

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 15:05:24
#33:

OK. I'll explain, seeing as you missed the point I was trying to make.

Look at the headline. It compares the Edinburgh "stewards" to the Chinese police. This is clearly not true but for the moment let's assume that it is. Right. Now we've set the scene.

Normal protestors I can tollerate. People who have a history of interfering with the country's defences I cannot tollerate. In the context of the headline, the CND would have received a "good kicking". If you don't believe me, go to China and organise a sit-down in protest in a major city during a festival and see what happens---in fact, go to Beijing now and start a protest about Tibet.

To summarise, I was speaking metaphorically in the context of the headline, with a degree of irony.

The likes of the Chinese police are exactly the kind of thing that the presence of nuclear weapons have kept in China rather than allowing it to spread throughout the rest of the world. Whoever drew the comparison between the Chinese police and the Fringe stewards has done so without thinking. What would have happened had the Chinese police beeninvolved? I'll tell you. They would have tear-gassed the area, baton charged anyone left standing and arrested a great many people, then taken them back to the cells for a kicking (a real one, not a metaphorical one). Some people may never have been seen again and the whole thing would have been officially hushed up. Did that happen in Edinburgh? No.

Don't get me wrong. I detest the idea of Fringe stewards as much as then next man. They are intrusive, obstructive, they are not needed and they spoil people's fun. However, they are not the Stasi, the KGB or the Chinese police.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 15:13:58
#39:

Interesting question, to which their is no simple answer.

It would be better if we didn't need deterrents. It would be better if there was no war. I personally think that a far more effective way of achieving world peace would be to ban ALL religion but that's another story.

However, we live in the real world and deterrents are needed. However, not all countries are competent enough to be trusted to have a nuclear deterrent because of the likelihood that they may use it indiscriminantly.

The last bomb to be used in anger was used before many of the current world leaders were born. The only countries who fully appreciate the enormous devestating power of a nuclear weapon are those who currently have them. Leave things as they are. It ain't broke. It don't need fixin'.
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John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, EMbra 14/08/2008 15:20:19
#41 Ach ! Disappointing - you've given a serious and thoughtful answer. I'm away aff tae the fitba banter pages....
43

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:22:03
#42:

I always make serious and thoughtful comments :-)

Unless of course it happens to be about one of Kenny MacAskill's latest brainwaves.

Come to think of it, I wonder how he'd handle the situation? He'd probably ban the festival altogether.
44

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:36:52
The spirit of Beijing prevails in the High Street. Our very own Cultural Revolution with its very own Red Guard bullies.
45

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:38:40
6 - voice of Thatcher.
46

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:40:40
13 - voice of Tebbit
47

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 17:40:43
Hmm, this thread has become a bit sensible. What's the good of the EEN comment section without incendiary rhetoric and personal attacks?
48

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:43:01
22 - dinnae hing yersel, that'll only cost the taxpayer money.
49

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:46:18
32 - kept the peace ? Like in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia ...etc ?
Aye right, if you say so, Norman.
50

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 17:48:41
40 - not yet the aint, but give 'em half a chance....
51

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

14/08/2008 18:06:24
"I don't agree with CND, however it touching they held a vigil to commemorate the Hiroshima bomb"

Indeed. It was one of the most successful scientific endeavours and military attacks in history, and people should be free to celebrate it.
52

Mikey,

14/08/2008 18:48:21
To think that some of you actually think the Brit Bomb has helped keep the peace? I've got news for you Brit Bombers! The Brit Bomb can't be used without US say so!

That should rattle your gilded cages!
53

Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 18:51:28
Flutter flutter, splutter, mutter.
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Donald, Edinburgh,

14/08/2008 20:54:59
I suspect it was just a really bad 'joke', Foo.

I suggest listening to this http://www.televisiontunes.com/Vision_On_-_The_Gallery.html
and looking at the pretty clouds.
56

bumster number 1,

14/08/2008 22:20:44
#4 'self important' is it, well that describes you perfectly, have a puff of your regal kingsize and try to stop being an @rse. I mean it aint as if anyone was peeing in the Matalan car park. Yeuch!
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14/08/2008 22:46:50
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/08/2008 22:50:04
51 - and apply for psychiatric assistance while they're at it.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/08/2008 10:29:57
#51:

Ha! Ha! Ha! Good one!

Be careful though. People might actually take what you say literally---and I see that someone at #54 already has.

Don't forget mate, jokes aren't allowed any more...
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blackley,

Edinburgh 15/08/2008 11:06:33
"Like Chinese police?" I know it's festival-time but did they need to dress up?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/08/2008 11:52:40
#54. It was a war, started by the Japanese. If you attack someone, and you get a bloody nose. You don't get to complain.

I concede there are some arguments to be had about the morality of involving civilians, but in WWII everyone, including the Japanese, had already crossed that rubicon.

The Americans didn't owe the Japanese the loss in their soldiers it would have taken to conquer Japan conventionally. They were smart enough to create the uranium bomb and it saved a huge number of American lives to use it. The Japanese invited anything America could do the very second they attacked Pearl Harbour.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/08/2008 11:55:36
By the way #54: I've never been known to make an argument on the net that I wouldn't repeat face to face. Those who know me would most likely shake their heads and agree.

 

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