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Don't bet against Salmond hitting Westminster target



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Published Date: 24 April 2008
After gaining 20 seats at last year's Holyrood elections sceptics are cautious to dismiss the Nationalist' latest aim, writes Ian Swanson.
WHEN Alex Salmond set the target of winning 20 extra seats in last year's Holyrood elections, even people inside the SNP were sceptical. Former Nationalist leader Gordon Wilson went as far as branding the idea "absurd".

But Mr Salmond was determined to prove his critics wrong and led his party to victory last May, increasing the party's tally of MSPs from 27 to 47.

And that stunning success means there is not the same rush to rubbish his latest target – increasing the SNP's contingent at Westminster from the present six seats to 20.

At first sight, it's a massive challenge. A Westminster election is always more difficult for the Nationalists because people see it as their chance to choose the next UK Prime Minister.

And although the SNP took second place in 20 constituencies at the last General Election in 2005, there were only three of these in which they were within 10,000 votes of the winner.

To get anywhere near Mr Salmond's target, the party will have to win seats where they finished third or even fourth last time. But SNP strategists believe the 20-seat target is achievable.

The strategists are not naming the seats they hope to win. But Edinburgh East is certain to feature near the top of the list. Although the SNP finished third there in the last Westminster election, Kenny MacAskill took the seat from Labour at the Scottish Parliament election, albeit on different boundaries.

And it has already chosen ex-Labour councillor George Kerevan, associate editor at The Scotsman, as its candidate. Labour's veteran MP Gavin Strang said he would stand down at the next election – after holding the seat since 1970 – but then announced he had changed his mind, almost certainly prompted in part by the fear of the seat going to the Nats. SNP number-crunchers have worked out from last year's council election results that they are just 672 votes behind Labour in the Westminster seat. Some Nats insiders believe Dr Strang may still bow out closer to the election, making it easier for them to win. West Lothian has always been promising territory for the SNP – but it was a promise never fulfilled in parliamentary terms until Angela Constance won Livingston from Labour at last year's Holyrood elections.

On paper, Linlithgow looked a better prospect for the Nats, but Labour managed to hold on there. Both seats are now likely to be considered for the SNP's target list for Westminster.

The 2005 Livingston by-election which followed Robin Cook's death saw the SNP cut Labour's majority but fail to win the seat. The Nationalists will need a swing of just over 4.5 per cent to take the seat.

Linlithgow, which is linked with East Falkirk for Westminster purposes, is a more challenging prospect, requiring a swing of more than 12 per cent.

One Labour insider readily admits the SNP could reach its 20-seat target. "They're in a very strong position – they can say what they have done in government and talk about the bad things Labour are doing."

The Nationalists took 17.66 per cent of the votes across Scotland in the 2005 General Election, compared with Labour's 38.87 per cent

Holyrood elections have always produced better results than Westminster ones. Last year they took 33 per cent of the constituency votes and 31 per cent of the list votes.

But Moray MP Angus Robertson, the party's campaign guru, believes attitudes have now changed.

He says: "We think a barrier has been broken down for a lot of voters who may in the past have questioned the advantage of voting SNP at a Westminster election. The feedback is telling us that and I think we have a tremendous opportunity.

"There are quite big swings necessary compared to the last Westminster elections, but we've had an election since then. We need to take what happened at the Scottish Parliament elections into consideration.

"People's impression on the ground is the SNP can win and they are good."

Mr Salmond announced his 20-seat target at the SNP spring conference at Heriot-Watt University last weekend, when he also held out the prospect that the party could hold the balance of power at Westminster after the next election.

The party has a ban on forming a coalition with the Tories, but Mr Salmond has said he could not see a deal to keep Labour in power if they had just been rejected by the electorate. And he declared his preference for dealing with a hung parliament on an issue by issue basis.

Mr Robertson says: "It's impossible to know what's going to happen at the next election. We're making no prediction on who's going to win."

He refuses to be drawn on whether he would prefer a Labour or Conservative win – although many believe a Tory victory would suit the SNP's purposes better, polarising the relationship between Scotland and England and potentially making independence more appealing.

But he says: "Regardless of which party wins, a strong SNP group at Westminster will be heard."


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  • Last Updated: 24 April 2008 9:49 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

Matt M,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 12:19:38
The last time the SNP had the balance of power between Labour and the Conservatives they infamously voted with Thatcher and helped put the Tories in power for 18 years. So much for "forcing Westminster to dance to a Scottish tune". With the SNP's new found fondness for the Conservatives in Holyrood, history is in danger of repeating itself.
2

Scottish Cynic,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 12:30:27
It's very simple. If the SNP get 20 seats at Westminster, the UK will have a Tory Government. The voters have a straight choice between Labour vs. the Tories via the SNP.

A right-wing government in Holyrood is bad enough, nevermind Westminister!
3

Auckland Arab2,

24/04/2008 12:34:45
#1 You sad pathetic little man.

Even Brown and Blair admit that not all Thatcher did was wrong, far from it. the 1979 Labour Govt was a disgrace, rubbish piled high on the streets, strikes everywhere, green goddesses! They got booted out and rightly so, so don't somehow try to blame the SNP for what came afterwards. Labour are fairly and squarely to blame for the Thatcher era, not just the 1979 win, but their 10 years of self indulgent self destruction and lurch to the left ensured 18 years of Tory rule. Fortunately with an SNP Govt in Scotland we soon wont have to worry about the prospect of the next Tory Govt in 2 years, which once again can only be blamed on Labour's disasterous performance in power.
4

Rank Bajin,

Calton 24/04/2008 12:36:50
#1 So you don't remember Callaghan going for a vote of confidence, teachers on strike, rubbish on the streets, firemen striking, winter of discontent rings no bells?

# 2 Ah the great differences between Labour and the Tories, of course we forget that the WENDY is an out and out red Clydesider, socialist ha and indeed ha.
5

Mikey,

24/04/2008 12:38:01
More lies from Thatcher's Labour. Honest to god, you guys are worse than Goering and his 'big lie!'

Labour screwed themselves in 1979! Remember the rubbish bags on the streets and the winter of discontent? Perhaps that was the SNPs fault also? The SNP voted for a general election to get rid of a lame duck government. I would've thought you Labour clones would've been celebrating that, considering your leader's attitude to Thatcher! Or perhaps 'The Supreme Leader' is wrong?

Also, there is no right wing government at Holyrood, you dolts! Labour were voted out last May!
6

Alan B,

24/04/2008 12:55:13
Matt M

U do not seem to have much of a grip on history. The snp refused to support the labour party in a vote of confidence. Why should they? Labour were hopeless. Labour were running anti scottish policies as came out with the mcrone report. Labour did not exactly help with the scottish assembly referendum putting in undemocratic clauses and giving minimal power. (nothing like the parliament now)

1) It was not the snp fault that labour ran the economy with inflation hitting 25%.
2)It was not the snp fault that labours own policy for controlling inflation, income policy, failed when the unions turned against them.
3)It was not the snp fault that labour were the only party in this history of the nhs to cut its budget.
4)It was not the snp fault that labour bankrupted britain and had to turn teh imf for immediate loans.
5)It was not the snp fault that labour the winter of discontent meant rubbish was not collected and bodies not buried.

The snp simply did not support a dreadful labour government in a vote of confidence.

The tory party were put in power not because of the snp but because the people voted for them in a general election. Are u really saying the snp should have tried to prevent a general election and not let the people decide democratically who should run the country.

Do u honoestly think if the election had been delayed there would have not been a bigger tory majority anyway.

The reaon scotland got 17yrs of tory government was becuase scotland voted labour who wanted to remain in the union, and england with the dominent say in the uk voted tory. end of.
7

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 24/04/2008 13:19:39
Getting back to the story......20 Westminster Seats.

Good target and will be a good platform in Westminster to increase Scotlands voice. Will also be a good platform for the launch of the 2011 Holyrood election.

I suppose after Independence some may chose to go and represent Scotland in Europe as our measly tally of Euro Seats will be set to increase. Look at Denmark, for example, with 15 seats. Some may become unemployed after they pull out of the Parliament of a State that no longer exists. Roll on the Referendum.
8

steve 1511,

aberdeen 24/04/2008 13:24:24
lets get rid of all the labour scottish mps or any mp who does not live in scotland and only travels up when they have meetings with the local voters,like eric mr (expenses) joyce the mp for falkirk west who lives in south croydon his wife is a teacher in south croydon his family home is in south croydon his kids go to school in south croydon,how does he represent the locals of falkirk,surely there are more like him who only use scotland for their morgage expenses
9

John south of Soutra,

24/04/2008 13:33:52
We are getting back to how things were under Callaghan, teachers in England and Wales on strick, the dispute at Grangemouth, the strike by public sector workers, the police threatening to go on strike etc, and some of you people still believe in brown and his cronies who have got us in this mess
10

me150,

24/04/2008 13:35:04
PRATS...you will vote the Tories back again. Stop living in the past and let's get the country on the righ track.

VOTE LABOUR....STUFF THE SNP
11

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 24/04/2008 13:44:44
Thank goodness, going by comments on here, the Labour partys main tactic in Scotland come the next general election, will be the old tartan tory lie.

It would seem that everybody but them knows that every Labour vote up hear will just help the Tories elsewhere and that the only precaution Scotland can take is to lodge as many SNP votes as possible.

Labour who have gone further right than the tories are now a busted flush, who else but they and there supporters would think that they could call voters prats whilst still wanting them to vote for them?

Keep up the good work unionists.
12

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 13:48:00
#1
Callaghan didn't deliver on his promise to the SNP.
SNP stopped supporting him.
Callaghan lost vote of confidence.
People decided that they had had enough after the "winter of discontent" and voted in the Tories.
People were happy enough with the Tories to keep voting them back into power for umpteen years.
13

Alan B,

24/04/2008 14:05:08
me150

Why would anyone with any intelligence vote labout? or for that sake anyone that does not want a corrupt party in power.
14

Alan B,

24/04/2008 14:05:33
me150

Why would anyone with any intelligence vote labour? or for that sake anyone that does not want a corrupt party in power.
15

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 24/04/2008 14:12:04
Scottish voters who are obsessed with letting the tories in could learn something from people who were politically active in 1979.At that time the Labour government were deeply unpopular and it was English voters who replaced them with a Conservative government.At that time,in response to SNP success inthe general elections of 1974,Labour offered an Assembly for the scots,to buy of SNP votes.However support for their own bill was lukewarm.This is evedenced by ther following facts:

1) Labour allowed a renegade MP to insert a clause into the bill stating that the yes vote had to achieve 40% 0f the total electoral register.Never has any party been required to achieve that level before.It meant that non-voters anf people and dead peoples votes,were counted as no votes.

2) Labour did not use their electoral machine to pull out a yes vote.That was mainly left to SNP and Liberal activists

3)In site of a yes majority being achieved,the Labour prime minister would not put a 3 line whip on his Mp's to ensure implementation of their own bill.

If Labour had not betrayed us,we would have had a Scottish Parliament 20 years earlier that could have provided some protection against "Thatcherism."The SNp have always put the interests of Scotland first,and always will.Who knows what will happen at the next general election.All I know is that an increased number of SNP MP's will provide an opportunity to obtain more for Scotland and better cross border cooperation.History teaches us that when the SNP are strong,Scotland benefits.
16

Calum10,

24/04/2008 15:56:31
Latest poll by Progressive Scottish Opinion.

SNP 40% (up 7%)

Labour 33% (up 1%)

Tories 13% (down 4%)

LibDems 10% (down 6%)

Undecided 4%

SNP are on course to win at least 20 MPs at Westminster.
17

john z,

edinburgh 24/04/2008 16:13:31
It's pretty obvious, that no matter how Scotland votes at the westminster election, the tories are going to get elected. People in Scotland, at last have a chance to vote SNP, as voting labour in Sotland will make no difference.

Of course unionists who think Scotland is unable to stand on its own merit will tell you the SNP ensured the tories were elected in 1979, but that just isn't so. I think you need to put those events in context of power cuts bin strikes, litter all over the streets, three day working week, and so on. Those were dark times.

It really is quite untrue and silly to say the SNP caused the downfall of Callaghans labour government. Labour managed that quite well all by themselves. I am no fan of anything thatcher (the milk snatcher) did, but the whole country was in a hell of a mess when she was voted in. Check the newspaper archives, and you'll see.
18

BusOff,

West Linton 24/04/2008 17:45:45
SNP want their cake by the bucket full!!!

Why should they even get a seat at Westminster!!!

They do all their work in Edinburgh - what a joke - good for the travel expenses I guess.

19

Andrew Allan,

24/04/2008 18:13:15
The SNP are likely to get somewhere between 15 and 20 seats at westminster, because the normal suspects from westminster are a waste of space, and are scrambling around trying to sort out errors they should have seen coming.
20

McX,

24/04/2008 18:25:33
How many seats do the LibDems have in Westminster?
21

Andrew Allan,

24/04/2008 18:33:22
#20.,BusOff,West Linton 24/04/2008 17:45:45
‘SNP want their cake by the bucket full!!!
Why should they even get a seat at Westminster!!!
They do all their work in Edinburgh - what a joke - good for the travel expenses I guess.’

BusOff, considering the Lorries full of sh*t we have had supposedly working for us at westminster I’d go for those who take all they are entitled to by the bucket full to, be it cake or anything else. As for if they should get a seat or not, that’s up to the people as it was last May, the people will answer that question for you, but I would say at this time the people of Scotland would say yes. As for the jokes on travel expenses, technology is such now that Scottish MP could work and vote in Scotland most of the time, and get to see their electorate more of the time.


22

McX,

24/04/2008 18:48:51
Do cakes come in buckets in West Linton?
23

Eve,

Scotland 24/04/2008 21:17:20
#1 Matt M: Fiction I blevie, that is what your talking about. I very much donght that they supported the tories in many policey in partiulare the one that would or did have a negative effect on Scotland.

And any way I realy don't give a s&^$* what the SNP's policies, friends etc way back in the 1970's before I was even born. What matters if what the SNP stand for now. Lets face it the SNP are at their most organised and should I say the smartist they have ever been.

They have so much more sufitiaction than they had even 10 years ago.
24

A Reasonable Voice,

outside of Scotland 24/04/2008 22:13:49
It is clear that if the Scottish Parliament had been created 30 years ago, the clamour for independence might not be what it is today. It would have occurred in the middle of the Cold War, and the Union might be a bit stronger. Politicians across the spectrum are often stupid and opportunistic.

For those who are Unionists, what needs to take place is a complete reshuffling of the British electoral system. We need to at least go to a hybrid first-pass-the-post and proportional system as exists in Scotland, but on a national level. This way we won't get stuck with a Tory party that can ram through legislation however it wants. We will have a Tory party at Westminister which will have to compromise with others.

Let us pray that if the Tories don't achieve a majority, that the Lib Dems will finally force this into an issue. Some kind of proportional representation in the UK is long overdue!
25

Yeti,

24/04/2008 22:16:00
This is quite interesting. The Scotsman is entirely negative about the Scottish Government, but the EEN seems to be heading towards giving it a bit of credit. Are Scotsman Publications flying a kite to see if a switch in Scotsman editorial policy is in order? Maybe they are losing too many readers (no surprise there - the Scotsman is so biased it lacks any credibility at all)
26

yoric,

24/04/2008 22:51:28
I don't see how keeping out the SNP keeps out the Tories?
If every person in Wales and Scotland votes Labour, and England votes Conservative, Westminster gets a Conservative Government.
Long live the SNP,long live Scottish Independence.
If Scotland gets its dream, then England also, by default and to the hatred of Brown and his cronies, gets Independence and its own Parliament.
27

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 24/04/2008 23:07:10
The interdependency between the nations comprising the UK has been highlighted by the current crisis that have hit the likes of the Grangemouth refinery and the RBS, the icon of Scottish banking oft mentioned by Aikybreakyourheart Salmond and Co.

The nationalists are currently hoisted by their own petard but given time the big fat balloon will burst in time to Stop Nationalist Propaganda in its tracks. Just wait till it hits the buffers and the screams of protest from all these recent converts will be heard from here to Westminster and back.
28

Yeti,

24/04/2008 23:16:35
#30
What it really highlights is the need for more than one refinery in Scotland. I hope you saw the performance of your Lib Dem friend on Newsnight tonight - he blew it by saying Westminster was the only place that could guarantee supplies from English refineries
29

A Reasonable Voice,

outside of Scotland 25/04/2008 00:22:13
Why don't we see how well the SNP governs Scotland before we agree to their plan for us to go it alone? One year into it is hardly enough time for us to call it quits with England.
30

roughrider,

Glasgow 25/04/2008 08:04:29
10 me150,
LMAO.
Plank.
31

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 08:25:01
Calum...

Where do they get these polls from,

are you honestly telling me 33% of the electorate support the Labour Party,

Your drunk man!
32

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 08:27:02
Liberal for life......

is Dunblane getting a By-pass from Nicol as well???
33

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 08:32:13
Liberal for life.....

do you remember that great iconic speech from the past,


"RETURN TO YOUR BY-PASSES AND PREPARE FOR THE WILDERNESS"
34

Edward,

25/04/2008 12:06:16
#1 Matt M,Edinburgh
What a load of rubbish
This is unionists trying to airbrush history to suite their arguement!
This is the true historic FACTS 'A vital vote was lost through the absence of Sir Alfred Broughton, Labour MP for Batley, who was too ill to attend'
35

Edward,

25/04/2008 12:09:39
#10 me150
Vote Labour get Tory
its as simple as that!
Gordon Brown an admirer of Maggie Thatcher
Gordon Brown best freinds with Maggie Thatcher, had her round for a cup of tea
The fact is the present Labour party is NOT SOCIALIST
36

Edward,

25/04/2008 12:15:59
#1 Matt M
Another salient fact that Labour supporters somehow 'forget' is that Sunny Jim Callaghan was against having devolved government, especially after the McCrone report of 1979, which is why Labour fixed the planned referendum so they imposed the 40 % rule, abstainers counted as No voters in the 1979 referendum
which is why the SNP couldnt support Sunny Jim (remember 'crises what crises')
37

SNP hypocrisy,

25/04/2008 13:02:16
I'll some it up in one word Nickers!

Salmond has no chance! So, by PR and 145,000 vote not counted he sneaked into Holyrood. In the real world of FPP voting though, his party is nowhere in enough seats that matter. The majorities against them would need to switch to them by at least 10,000 votes in seats that rarely change easily. THIS IS LAUGHABLE!

No matter anyway, the reason they will not do it is because the Scottish Voters know that the SNP will support the Tories at Westminster!
38

Edward,

25/04/2008 14:16:25
#41
You really are stupid if you believe that the SNP got in due to '145,000 vote not counted' and 'PR'
Just to remind you and idiots like you, that first of all the lost votes were down to Labour's Douglas Alexander trying to be clever and cocking things up, it was Labour's fault for the shambles. In addition it was Labour that insisted on 'PR' for the Scottish Parliament in the belief that 'PR' would ensure that the SNP would not be able to win. Whats really LAUGHABLE is smucks like you believing that all of the lost 145000 votes would have been all for Labour, not thats arrogance!
The SNP have every chance under the FPP system of getting more MP's into Westminster, unless of course Labour are planning som sort of Mugabe style fiddle (which I wouldnt put it past them to do!)
Scottish voters have now realised that Labour for all there posturing are no more socialist that the Tories are!
Your Labour view that SNP will support Tories in Westminster is a bit rich to say the least. Scottish voters are not that stupid and now appreciate that the SNP will do whats best for Scotland and not a party like Labour thats no longer socialist, that only looks out for its self and not the people

 

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