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Published Date: 19 August 2008
IT is probably the nearest a bus stop has ever got to doing the hokey-cokey.
It started the summer standing on the pavement, as it had done for years, alongside a narrow stretch of Newhaven Road.

Then, workmen arrived to move the bus stop and the pavement out a few inches into the carriageway, creating a raised kerb and ma
king space for a shelter.

But, just weeks later, workmen returned – to rip out the new pavement and move the bus stop back.

The to-ing and fro-ing left residents unsure whether to laugh at the sheer ineptitude or cry with frustration after all the disruption.

Alyson Cameron, who lives in Dudley Terrace, just round the corner from the bus stop, and is vice-chairwoman of Trinity Community Council, said: "This was just daft. If the council had carried out a proper consultation in the first place, then none of this would have happened.

"The council says it did carry out a consultation when this was first suggested a few years ago but a couple of notices tied to a lamp post is not really good enough.

"That section of the road is far too narrow for a bus stop of that nature. The biggest problem with the new bus stop was that it jutted out so far into the road that traffic has been struggling to get past stopping buses.

The installation of the extended bus stop was agreed by councillors last year, but work starting last month prompted a flurry of complaints.

Local Tory councillor Allan Jackson said: "The problem is that nobody really knew about the plans until it was too late and it was only when they saw it getting built that it was obvious it would cause problems.

"It maybe says something about the way this council consults people, but we are where we are.

"This was just not a good site for one of these bus boarders and there would have been too much traffic building up, not to mention that you can hardly fit two buses past each other at that point.

"There are good points for these build-out bus stops in terms of improved wheelchair access but they got it wrong this time and I'm glad to see that being recognised."

City transport leader Phil Wheeler said: "The council's then-executive approved the eastern corridor bus priority scheme at its meeting on July 31, 2007.

"The approved scheme included re-designing the road layout to provide a bus shelter in Newhaven Road at the location in question.

"We have listened to local people's current concerns that the new pavement layout could cause delays to local traffic and, in consultation with the ward councillors, we have decided to change the design."

A council spokeswoman said there would be a "minor impact" on the overall cost.





The full article contains 483 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 August 2008 9:57 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

allknowing,

19/08/2008 12:06:50
And buses not create congestion!!!
2

Grumpy,

19/08/2008 12:11:23
How come you can require planning permission which involves informing neighbours prior to application for a garage, yet the council can extend a pavement, move a bus stop, erect a shelter, without consulting anyone?
I'm no expert, but if I saw a scale plan and knew the width of a bus, I could soon work out if there's enough room - heavens, I was taught that skill in primary school!
3

Hibernia,

19/08/2008 12:13:47
Its moments of genuis like that make you seriously wonder!!! Saying that this is the same crowd that decided that it would be a good idea to fill in the bus stops on Ferry Road and have them stopping on the main road and blocking the whole road. Great planning but of course congestion caused by such acts is not really congestion because of the stupidity of the planners.............or is it?
4

allknowing,

19/08/2008 12:15:21
#3 exactly!!
Edinburgh has very little REAL congestion. The rest being created by the council and buses!
5

Boy Wonder,

19/08/2008 12:15:54
There are bus stops in Trinity??

6

Hmm?,

19/08/2008 12:28:43
>>4#"Edinburgh has very little REAL congestion. The rest being created by the council and buses!"

Have you been drug tested recently? Edinburgh does suffer from quite a lot of congestion, much of it caused by the high volume of car traffic.
7

Hibernia,

19/08/2008 12:28:57
#5 there are yes, you have to look very carefully to find them though as they keep moving them!
8

Hibernia,

19/08/2008 12:32:13
#6 there is a high volume of traffic in Edinburgh because the council widen pavements, stick in bus lanes on main routes around the city and half the amount of room for cars to use hence why there are longer queues of traffic compared to a few years ago.

Its not rocket science. 2 lanes for cars less queues of traffic. 1 lane for cars twice the length of queues while 1 bus rattles up the bus lane every 10/15 minutes. Now that was a great idea and they didnt see congestion and pollution levels rising with that stoater of an idea...come on?
9

allknowing,

19/08/2008 12:34:04
~6
You clearly have not left Edinburgh. Try visiting any large city in England, USA etc, and then you will know what congestion is!!! Being held up for 10mins a day is nothing for other people.
10

Flopski,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:51:26
When people talk about buses and the environment, does the cost of repairing the road come into this? Just saw a road ripped up by buses over a two day period in this rain. Also most repairs (what few there are) are on bus routes where a tram way has been carved by their weight and the diesal fuel which is was told apparantly weakens tarmac around bus stops. If you add in the cost of this to buses it would weaken the economic and environmental argument some what.
11

Boggle fey the Bog,

19/08/2008 13:11:11
10 Flopski,Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:51:26

Most likely cause for 'road damage' by 'buses is the fact that most roads in this country were designed, and the substrate laid down in the 1920's and 30's, with a 'top coat' of either concrete or more likely 'coses', these were replaced by the 'black stuff', from the 1950's on.

Tar/Bitumen is very prone to 'damage' by petro-carbons, plus the basic carriageways were not constructed to carry the weight (tonnage) and volume of traffic that is common place today.

Further to this the 'maintenance' usually consists of 'skimming'10 - 20 Cm off the 'top' and then re-coating, which means the substrate (the bit that is actually carrying the load) is often never repaired or reinstated, thereby creating a weakened 'wear surface'or 'top coat', which is prone to 'crumpling'.

In short it's cheaper to repair, rather than re-build, given that 'repairs' are from the 'annual maintenance budget' and 'rebuilds' are usually of a 'capital expenditure' nature, most councils opt for the former.

False economy, or what!!!

12

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 13:21:54
"The biggest problem with the new bus stop was that it jutted out so far into the road that traffic has been struggling to get past stopping buses."

Isn't that exactly in line with city transport policy?
13

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19/08/2008 14:18:19
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14

Vlad Tepes,

Snagov 19/08/2008 15:02:10
#15
Totally agreed, congestion, and the whole raft of problems caused by too much traffic, can only be solved by removing cars from the roads. Quite clearly this cannot be done by appealing to drivers ethically (vide F-allknowing) so over-use of cars must be penalised heavily. It ain't rocket-science ffs.
15

allknowing,

19/08/2008 15:47:27
15&16

Thats funny, because when the buses go on strike, and the roads are open for all users, not just half, there is no congestion, people can get parked easier, and pollution levels go down.

Look at Princes St on any typical day, the place is packed nose to tail with buses, holding each other up, and dont even get me started on polution levels. Why do you think the council refuses to publish what the levels are when buses are on strike.!!!
16

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

19/08/2008 15:52:06
Typical eh? You wait for one bus stop repair, and three come at once.
17

P I Staker,

19/08/2008 17:17:51
#12 - you are so right - how often have we seen roads with little or nothing in the way of holdups and then the extended kerb goes in, so far out that the bus stops right on the only part of the carriageway available, just to make certain nothing can get past. Doubt if its in the rule book under 'how to create even more congestion' but buses going in opposite directions stopping so that the drivers can have a chat just ensures nothing can get past. Maybe a driver could also explain why its so important to pull out, irrespective of who is alongside, to get on with the route, yet at 7 in the morning instead of sitting at a stop its essential to drive up the quiet route at 15mph keeping every other vehicle stuck behind it - bus induced congestion - its a must.

#19 - so that's the one bus route that will have a tram on it, have a look under the cover and see just how many buses are to be replaced by the toy tram scheme - you won't need half the fingers of one hand.
18

Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 19/08/2008 18:22:22
#6 you need to go and see your GP and get on some drugs.#4 you are quite correct.
Anyone who doesnt agree should get themselves down to London and have a look at congestion.Bus after bus after bus so nothing can move.
Remember foks we did vote out the charge the green tree huggers that would have us all back in caves tried to force on us.This is our punishment.
19

The Batboy,

19/08/2008 19:24:47
Why doe there need to be bus stops in affluent Trinity where they all own cars??
20

Brad,

Glasgow 19/08/2008 21:27:38
#17, being allknowing can you tell us "when the buses [went] on strike"?

There were a few days of 'Saturday services' three years ago, and that was the first such industrial action for 20 years.
21

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 22:21:31
Time for the EEN Description of that stop,....


You put your left arm in, your left arm out
In out, in out, you shake it all about
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa
You put your right arm in, your right arm out
In out, in out, you shake it all about
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa
You put your left leg in, your left leg out
In out, in out, you shake it all about
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa
You put your right leg in, your right leg out
In out, in out, you shake it all about
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa
You put your whole self in, your whole self out
In out, in out, you shake it all about
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey
Knees bent, arms stretched
Raa raa raa

22

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 22:22:46

Gods sake now I am the,...'Dizzy One'!
23

Capitalistic,

Edin 19/08/2008 22:52:29
Interesting. In 2005 I was sent a letter re the above changes to Newhaven Road. The letter also had the plans for the changes. The letter was titles "Bus Priority Route". The reason for the changes was to putting yellows lines along the length and both sides of Newhaven Road, restricting parking from 7.30am to 9.30am, then 4.30pm to 6.30pm. This street has a lot of parked cars onnit and these new regulations would have made parking in the area very difficult. The widening of the bus stop was a farce and defeated the purpose of getting rid of the parked cars as the road was to narrow. This mess up was reported to cost £136,000 - minor impact??? We do not want the yellow lines we want to park outside our own houses:- away and put the buses on the much wider Craighall Road.. Naw that would be to sensible. P.S Newhaven Road once had a tram line and do you know what?- it was single track, one-way. These people have not got a clue
24

Hibernia,

20/08/2008 07:47:09
#20 and why do you think so many cars use the bypass. Heres a clue is in the name "Edinburgh City Bypass".

Its used to avoid the bus lanes, all the fricking road works etc. Like I said before its not rocket science.
25

number 11 driver,

central garage 20/08/2008 11:58:19
Great idea, rip out the extended bus stop and there will be more room for another car to park. Meanwhile the people boarding or leaving the bus will just have to squeeze between the them, tough. I feel sorry for the car drivers, it must be a real pain in the rear when you get stuck for 30 or 40 seconds behind a loading or unloading bus when your trying to beat the traffic on one of Edinburghs many Rat Runs.

 

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