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Councillor's dad served as an SS officer



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Published Date:
08 May 2007
A SON of a former SS officer, an ex-Australian soap actress, an open-top bus tour guide and a former deck hand on the Greenpeace boat Rainbow Warrior are among Edinburgh's new councillors.
Former athletes, cab and bus drivers, and an ex-spin doctor for the Royal Family will also take their place in City Chambers next week.

However, much of the spotlight will be on Stefan Tymkewycz, whose father Bohdan served with the Ukrainian Division of the SS during the Second World War.

The 86-year-old, who now lives in Dalkeith, Midlothian, is understood to have been an officer in the 16,000-strong 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division. Its members have been accused of taking part in a string of atrocities during the Second World War, though there is no suggestion Mr Tymkewycz's father was involved.

Bohdan Tymkewycz, was named last year as a suspected war criminal along with 50 other former SS Galizien members by London MP Andrew Dismore, who was campaigning for former Nazi war criminals to be brought to justice.

He has criticised the police for failing to take enough action to pursue alleged war criminals living in the UK before they die.

He said today: "The former Galiziens named in my Commons motion were all done so after many years of research. I don't want to comment on any individual cases, but I obviously believe that all these people are still worthy of pursuit for war crimes."

Stefan Tymkewycz was elected as an SNP councillor in the Craigentinny/Duddingston ward and was also voted in as an MSP on the Lothians regional list, though he has still to decide whether to take on both roles.

The former Metropolitan Police officer, who was born in Abbeyhill and still lives in the area, today confirmed his father had been a member of the Galizien but refused to comment further on his military background.

He said: "He doesn't keep too well now and has had three operations in the last year. I don't see what relevance this has to me."

Members of the division were offered refuge in Britain in 1947 after spending two years in a prison camp. At the time, it is thought the Ministry of Defence wanted to use them as a possible fighting force against Communism.

Earlier this year it emerged that there were more than 1400 of the original Galizien still alive and living around the UK. However, the Government has said there is not enough evidence of atrocities to pursue any cases.

Mr Tymkewycz's father's involvement with the SS is said to be common knowledge in SNP circles. One party source said: "It's not something Stefan particularly wants to advertise, but he's been pretty open about it. It's not exactly a secret within the party, but it's got nothing to do with his suitability to be a councillor or MSP."

An SNP spokesman added: "We were aware of it, but it is not an issue. It's obviously a private personal matter to do with Stefan's private family history."

Mr Tymkewycz said he would decide in the next few weeks whether to serve as both a councillor and an MSP: "There is no reason why I couldn't do both but it's something I need to decide on."

Fellow SNP councillor Deidre Brock was born and bred in Perth, Australia, where she carved out an acting career on stage and screen Down Under, including an appearance in a minor role in the hit soap Home and Away.

Cllr Brock, who moved to Edinburgh 11 years ago, has most recently been a parliamentary assistant to Highlands MSP Rob Gibson and will represent Leith Walk in the council.

She said: "I played a doctor in a couple of episodes of Home and Away who had to break the news that one of the characters had a brain tumour. I was in a few TV shows that would only have been broadcast over there, but I was also in a show called The Leaving of Liverpool, which was a joint production between Australia and the UK."

Green MSP Steve Burgess, who heads the party's research team at Holyrood, was previously a crewman on Rainbow Warrior. He said: "I spent three months on board as a deck hand when it toured Australia and New Zealand, before I joined the Greens."

Mr Burgess, who has worked at Holyrood since the creation of the parliament, worked previously as a research scientist at Edinburgh University's King's Buildings. He will serve Southside/Newington.

Fellow Green Alison Johnstone, elected in Meadows/Morningside, has been a leading figure in campaigns such as the fight to stop the selling-off of Meggetland playing fields and recent protests over the plans to replace Meadowbank Stadium. She is also a former 800m and 1500m Scottish international runner.

Norma Hart, who will be representing the Liberton/Gilmerton areas in the council, is a former chief executive of Dumfries and Galloway Tourist Board. She is a self-employed trainer, and is a member of both Amnesty International and Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce.

New Lib Dem councillor Elaine Morris, who won a seat in the Forth ward, had a spell as a spin doctor at Buckingham Palace.

Inverleith SNP councillor Stuart McIvor swapped a career in the Metropolitan Police for a job as an open-top tour guide with Lothian Buses.

Former council leader, Donald Anderson, who stepped down as a councillor before the elections, said the new intake faced a big challenge coping with the workload and responsibility which came with the job. He said: "For the ones that are new, it's getting their heads around the issues that face the city. You have to keep some time for yourself and, if you're working, you have to balance that with your council activities. Trying to keep a sensible balance is difficult but essential if you want to make a success of it."

So his advice to the city's new councillors? "Don't take short cuts, don't play games and treat it as seriously as you would treat any other job."




Dark past of the Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division


AROUND 8500 members of the Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division were given refuge in Britain after the war.

British defence officials are reported to have believed at the time that the Nazi-trained anti-Soviet troops could be used as a possible fighting force against communism.

The 16,000-strong division was formed in 1943 charged with "pacifying" villages and taking part in actions against underground armies in Poland and Slovakia. Many signed up to fight after years of Soviet oppression, seeing the Third Reich as a route to an independent Ukraine.

Galizien units have been accused of participating in atrocities during the war. These include the murder of 1200 mainly elderly people in the Huta Peniatska, and 44 civilians as young as three in Chlaniow - both in Poland in 1944. They were also said to have played a major part in a 1941 massacre of 7000 Jews.

Some 1400 of the original Galizien still survive in the UK. Last year MP Andrew Dismore launched a House of Commons motion calling for those accused of crimes to be brought to justice, but the Government has said there is not enough evidence.

The full article contains 1222 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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08/05/2007 10:57:23
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Smythe,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 10:59:32

I am more concerned with the fact that he has been elected to two different bodies. he cannot posibly serve both and claim all the allowances for both. he should step down from one or the other with immediate effect. If he does not then imediately the SNP will have an allowances scandal around their neck

3

ColinEdin,

08/05/2007 11:02:18

Why on earth should it matter what ones father did? Surely your own actions are the important ones... We live in a modern society, not some old testament barbarism where God would punish children for the deeds of their parents.

This is a complete non-story.

4

Skatedad,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 11:02:40

Remember Dresden!!!

5

Tonto43,

Midlothian 08/05/2007 11:03:12

What a garbage article trying to demean an MSP.

Evening news please stick to actual news and not this rubbish.

The MSP in question has no control over what his father did or did not do.

6

Paul Voltaire,

08/05/2007 11:04:13

What a totally underwhelming story.

7

Lothians111,

08/05/2007 11:04:13

EN do you not like the SNP?

8

Allan (Glasgow),

08/05/2007 11:07:26

AND WHAT?!!

Scotsman for goodness sake get a grip.

9

Jim Smith,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 11:16:56

methinks the SNP are just beginning to discover the trappings of power ;-))

10

ailein,

Germany 08/05/2007 11:21:31

What a nasty little article, unecessary and irrelevant to Mr Tymkewycz's job as an MSP or councillor. I have often thought that SNP supporters complain too much or exaggerate the media "spin" against them, but now I'm not so sure. In fact, I would go so far as to say that this article is a disgrace and totally unbecoming to the evening newspaper of Scotland's capital city. A cheap attempt to smear the SNP.

11

Slippylizard,

Sunny Stone 08/05/2007 11:21:34

#4
What on earth does Dresden have to do with anything?

You are not going to try and tell us how awful we were because of Dresden are you?

Remember London, remember Coventry, remember many British cities that had the c*** bombed out of them and goodness knows how many killed. It was war and I'll tell you many died so that you could write in a blog today or do you think the third reich would have allowed this freedom of speech?

He should be viewed on his own merits not on his Fathers background.

12

alex paterson,

embra 08/05/2007 11:22:38

What can one say,Apart from WC reading matter.

13

CB,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 11:23:13

This is all rather sensationalist. In fact, it's rather as though the EN were trying to smear Mr. Tymkewycz, or they would not have printed the exhaustive details about the Waffen SS's activities in Ukraine.

There is an issue about him taking on two roles, but it seems he is deciding which to take on, so clarifying things. If he leaves the council, what happens to his seat? Another SNP member takes it? The candidate with the next highest number of votes in that ward? The latter would let another Tory in... If he leaves the Parliament, what then? Presumably another person on the SNP Lothians list takes his place?

14

ailein,

Germany 08/05/2007 11:25:04

I've now seen the cover picture which goes with this story. Newspapers in Britain are pretty dire, and this is Sun level reporting.

15

Andrew fae Rosyth,

08/05/2007 11:26:00

what a completely irrelevant story. its not taken this paper long to nail its colours to the mast.

16

TSG,

08/05/2007 11:27:43

Ditto everything apart from Dresden remark.

Sins of the father do pass onto the son.

Any strippers or clowns ? Any Penguin walkers at Edinburgh Zoo ?

1. Is Correct . Who gives AF.

17

Greig in Aus,

08/05/2007 11:28:25

gutter journalism

18

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SunShine,

08/05/2007 11:31:15

Now that the truth has been uncovered, he should resign immediately.

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Lothians111,

08/05/2007 11:33:30

The Sun at least has good pictures

22

Nectar,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 11:33:37

I wonder if the EN/Scotsman can see the pattern in these posts?
What a pile of guff this article is. Just so we have the public interest straight:
Someone's 86 year old father served in an army unit of which there is No evidence of atrocities.
The 1400 strong unit were put in a prison camp for two years, after which the British goverment said they could stay here legally.
60 years later the son of one the 1400 gets a new job.

23

Mackie,

Leith 08/05/2007 11:38:09

Now the mud starts getting flung about eh?
So we have an ex-Australian Soap Actress SNP representative for Leith Walk. Good lord - the world has turned upside down!
What an exciting political year we are going to have.

24

FedUpTaxPayer,

08/05/2007 11:38:19

I'm not a SNP fan, but is there even a story here. This is pathetic. This rubbish should never have made it to press.

25

LeithWalker,

08/05/2007 11:39:49

I trust the Evening News will now print the criminal records of the parent of all of the councillors? It wopuld be about as relevant to the sitting councillors as this story is.

26

Scotty Cameron,

Musselburgh 08/05/2007 11:40:03

Evening News/Scotsman - Labour are going to have to learn lessons from their recent collapse - otherwise they'll simply disappear. Don't you think you should learn a lesson from this too? i.e. get back to being the "proper" newspaper you once were and give up this cr*p! The public voted with thier feet to give Labour a bloody nose - and they'll do it again with your crummy paper!

27

Voice of reason,

08/05/2007 11:41:37

I wonder if the councillor in question had been a Tory ?

28

TSG,

08/05/2007 11:41:47

22. Everybody need good neighbours.

Actually now i have read the story properly I totally understand.

SNP are akin to the Nazi party and we must now have a revolution to get Labour back into power.

Thanks for letting us know EEN.

FFS.

29

pehman,

sussex 08/05/2007 11:43:31

none of the other people mentioned in the report would appear to have been questioned about their parents. Why only this one?

30

Paul Voltaire Jnr,

08/05/2007 11:45:56

16. "Sins of the father do pass onto the son"

In every case?

31

Goel,

Scotland 08/05/2007 11:46:20

For sheer nastiness, vindictiveness and political bias, the Edinburgh Evening News is now far worse than The Scotsman.

I hoped that these newspapers would become a little more 'pro-Scotland' once the Barclays were gone, but clearly there are issues with the existing staff that the stable will not be free of until they are gone.

Johnston PLC should sack EEN editor John McLellan asap. McLellan - who actually presided over some of the News' best years around the turn of the century - is past his sell-by date.

G.

32

PJ,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 11:47:03

I can’t see what relevance this has to do with Mr Tymkewycz's, unless the EN are trying suggest “The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the son” The currant Pope joined the Hitler Youth, as membership was legally required but he was never involved in anything but I am sure the EN would have him guilty by association.

This is something I expected from the Sun or News of the World, not the Evening News or has it just joined the gutter press elite!

33

Mr Crisps,

Haddington 08/05/2007 11:47:29

Shame on you Evening News.

34

AJ fae Fife,

Fifeshire 08/05/2007 11:51:38

Does this mean the old socialist strongholds in West Lothian's ex-mining communities, will be "pacified", even on a Friday night?

35

pehman,

sussex 08/05/2007 11:53:22

TO the "reporter" brian ferguson, what does/ did your parents do.

36

Mick Maroon,

08/05/2007 11:53:29

I really hoped when the Barclays cleared out we might have got our quality press back. At least a bit.

No such luck, eh? Absolutely shocking standard of 'journalism', the EN should be ashamed of itself.

37

Immutable Name,

of Toll-X 08/05/2007 11:54:28

Yup, me too. Brian Ferguson and the relevant editor(s) should be utterly ashamed of themselves for a blatant smear attempt.
Fortunately, The EN is known for its rabid anti-SNP slant, so it is unlikely to have any effect on anyone who is also not similarly blinkered.

38

Ecco Warrier,

Emburra 08/05/2007 11:55:33

I am more concerned about the two salaries Mr Tymkewycz will collect. Thats whats called jumping on the gravy train.

Bisto Heil

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Immutable Name,

of Toll-X 08/05/2007 11:56:18

I wonder if these forum remarks could constitute grounds for a complaint to the press commission?
It would be slightly ironic if Brian and his bosses were hoist on their own e-petard

40

TSG,

08/05/2007 12:01:38

34. Brian Fergusson doesnt have a dad, if you catch my drift.

29. "Don't" .

41

TSG,

08/05/2007 12:03:05

A good anagram of Tymkewycz is.. Nah , forget it.

This is PISH. It really is Pish. What kind of world do we live in when this passes at news ?

42

AD,

sunny Livingston 08/05/2007 12:07:55

An article not worth even wiping yer butt on .... it'd make a mess o' the screen anyway!!!

43

Ellen,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 12:10:15

If this was a relative of George Bush we'd be loving it but since this is one of our own representatives it's junk.

44

rs,

08/05/2007 12:11:25

another non story

the EN must be getting desperate for editorial.

You could probably find some distant relative for anyone to dig up a non story on.

Lets have soem real news!!!

45

Peter B,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 12:16:50

And some people think my rants against the media are unwarranted.

This is journalism of the lowest kind.

It's heartening to see so many readers despise Ferguson's 'work'.

46

Linda,

08/05/2007 12:18:20

Typical gutter press from Evening News.

What relevance has this to Mr Tymkewycz's position as a councillor?

Many Ukranians who lived under the brutal Stalin oppressive regime joined the invading German forces as they considered it the lesser of two evils at the time.

47

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08/05/2007 12:20:13
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ian citizen,

galician 08/05/2007 12:21:01

gets your facts straight evening news, god you cant even splell calician properly, my father now dead was in same regiment & if you did proper research you will find that they were front line soldiers & nothing to do with death camps. my mother was also ukrainian ( now also dead ) she spent years in concentration camps in germany so in rspect of her & millions of others memory please get your fact straight

49

Moyasta,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 12:26:16

Gutter journalism by Brian Ferguson, who ought to be ashamed of himself.

50

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 08/05/2007 12:29:40

Ah kent his faither!

51

Hezza,

08/05/2007 12:46:39

This is a bit like The Sun revealing that the Pope was in the Nazi Youth...as if to some how make the association between the person/post and Nazi atrocities. In this case, it is far more tenuous and frankly makes the journalist look stupid.

The headlines across the papers from the pope one did make me smile though, eg, "Papa Nazi" and "From Nazi Youth to Papa Ratzi" etc etc.

52

Shelly,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 12:48:13

Just when I thought the EEN couldn't get any worse!

This takes this trashy little paper even further into the gutter.

To Brian - does your dad or any other of your close relatives have any criminal convictions etc?

If you don't fancy writing an article on that tomorrow then I suggest you print an apology for the most pathetic excuse at journalism that I have seen in a long time.

53

JT fae Cardiff,

08/05/2007 12:48:55

Oh good lord, Scotsman/EEN

The SNP are now the biggest party in Holyrood. Get over it, and stop the stupidly negative spin.

When did the EEN merge with the Daily Retard /The Sun? This is what I expect from them.

54

fergiewergie,

Chch, NZ 08/05/2007 13:04:26

Brian Ferguson you are a class 1 muppet. The EEN used to be a good local newspaper covering important events. Now it's just pure urine.

Why does the paper print all these non events ?

He should be sacked for writing this drivel.

55

SOLACE ONE,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 13:06:11

So BRIAN FERGUSON...
How long have you been sitting on this story..?
And what would the outcome have been if you'd run the story 7 days ago...?

56

TSG,

08/05/2007 13:11:53

Wini . You are Misguided here I think.

The SNP are NOT a Nationalist part per se , even though some of their supporters may be.

57

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 08/05/2007 13:12:39

Agree with all the comments here. It's irrelevant nonsense who his dad was - its a non-story. The real story, and it's a total disgrace, is the way that it's been presented on the front page of the Evening News. They've used a picture of him with his fist up taken at his election (he was understandably delighted) and presented it with big Nazi type SS lettering above it as if to say 'tomorrow belongs to me'. Bottle of the barrel from EEN.

58

B S,

08/05/2007 13:13:11

A great article.

I for one am keen to know about any of our representatives with funny sounding names.

Keep up the high standards.

59

Glorfindel,

08/05/2007 13:14:29

What the heck does it matter what the man's father did?? Thev sins of the father should NEVER be visited upon the children! Why drag up this nonsense, unless you just want to make mischief!?

A plague on your house Mr Ferguson!!! And the EN for publishing this rubbish too! You want slapped with a paper tissue for a week over this. And I would wrap a house-brick in the tissue too!

Mr Tymkewycz should obviously give up ONE of his posts. That's just being greedy, what with the amounts of money involved!

No kisses for any of you under these circumstances!

Glorfindel
(humpty!)

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Stuart_,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 13:15:07

Notice the article refers to "Green MSP Steve Burgess". He's a councillor not an MSP you fools! If they can't get the basics right, then you might as well stop reading before you turn over page 1 on this newspaper.

62

les smith,

Runcorn,Cheshire 08/05/2007 13:24:14

They say its in the Genes , i'll bet his son was in a position of authority, probably in some kind of militiristic occupation, i'm not saying like father like son but one has to be wary, maybe down at the pub he's one of the boys.. who knows! . Mr Bohdan Tymkewycz should stand trial if an investigation is initiated and if evidence be found to implicate him in war crimes then he should be priosecuted and justice done before his demise and as for Stefan
'the sins of our fathers'.. well maybe, maybe not.

63

Cramondo,

08/05/2007 13:28:51

This article is abysmal, and if anyone is reading this only on the Web, it is the main story in today's eveing paper. There is no hope for this newspaper and its sisters.

Whatever this man's father may or may not have done more than 50 years ago, has no bearing on his fitness for office.

(not an SNP supporter myself, just outraged by this)

64

Dox,

08/05/2007 13:32:48

3,62 Are you joking? A father passes more than just genetic material to his son. Traditions, values mores and prejudices just to name a few.

58 I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Are you claiming that certain racial types are prone to certain behaviours? Sounds like Nazi propaganda about the Jews and gypsies in reverse.

65

961,

Berwickshire 08/05/2007 13:34:57

"I don't see what relevance this has to me"

Neither do I

66

Peter 100,

08/05/2007 13:36:15

and what has this got to do with Stefan Tymkewycz absolutely nothing, this just the EEN trying to blacken the character of someone because of the so-called sins of his father

67

AJ fae Fife,

Fifeshire 08/05/2007 13:37:22

Wini,

Your description of yourself is very alluring, you're probably past your 'sell-by-date' now at 58, but you paint a pretty picture!!! I always liked the dusky sort!!!

68

Teamdroid,

08/05/2007 13:41:00

Nauseating pice of gutter smear journalism, particularly the cut-out-n-keep history of the "Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division". More proof, if any was needed, of the naked bias of the Scotman/EEN

69

watcher,

East Lothian 08/05/2007 13:50:20

Well done the Evening News on such a good report. We all like to know who our neighbours are. Like father like son both in a National organisation.

70

TSG,

08/05/2007 13:54:55

I heard that Alex Salmonds Father used to arch his cheeks in the direction of his mother and Pump - whilst watching "The Golden Shot" back in the early 70s.

71

Statsman,

08/05/2007 13:56:24

The EEN needs a new editor. This one is dragging the paper to the gutter.

72

Bruce Ma Goose,

08/05/2007 13:59:01

Pitiful.

As to the poster lumping the SNP, the National Front and the SS under the same umbrella. Somebody needs to brush up on their knowledge of "civic nationalism" methinks.

73

Helkat,

edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:00:44

How, precisely is this gutter journalism (whatever that hysterical phrase means)? It's a straightforward story about a man holding public office in this country who was brought up (presumably) by a father who served with one of the most loathsome units created in the 20th century and was named in an early-day motion in Westminster last year by an MP concerned about Nazi criminals taking refuge in Britain. The article makes no accusations against either Stefan Tymkewycz or his father, nor does it, given that Mr Tymkewycz has made no secret of his father's war record, invade privacy. As for those who question what relevance the story has to them, well, does EVERYTHING they read have to be relevant to them. What drab little lives they must lead

74

Mark1,

08/05/2007 14:08:24

Wini,

You are simply pathetic and that comment is shocking.

Sureley you are simply on the windup.

75

IWright,

08/05/2007 14:08:48

I stopped buying this comic some time ago and I see no reason to go back. Gutter journalism.

76

edimck,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:16:08

#13: "If he leaves the council, what happens to his seat? Another SNP member takes it? The candidate with the next highest number of votes in that ward? The latter would let another Tory in... If he leaves the Parliament, what then? Presumably another person on the SNP Lothians list takes his place?"

If he steps down as an MSP the next SNP person from the list will take his place.
If he steps down as a councillor, well, that is a good question. How do you hold a by-election in a multi member constituency? Surely all the candidates would need to run again, the other elected incumbents might object :-). Now, that would have been a more useful and constructive article for the EN to be talking about, rather than the activities of ST's father 65 years ago.

77

TSG,

08/05/2007 14:18:04

Wini , I think you give too much credence to the Media.

A picture of a man raising a fist and a story about the SS.

Dont be fooled my Dusky Innocence..

(!)

78

Lothians111,

08/05/2007 14:18:24

#77 WORKS FOR THE en I PRESUME.

79

PJ,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:20:17

Wini,

Put the lid back on your Tippex bottle!

80

AJ fae Fife,

Fifeshire 08/05/2007 14:20:52

Wini,

Glad tae here it, and as they say....."there's mony a guid tune played on an auld fiddle"!!!

81

Royster,

08/05/2007 14:22:52

The son is not responsible for the actions of the father.

82

tomias,

southside 08/05/2007 14:26:26

The EN has stooped to the level of propaganda which was once the speciality of Goebbels;

83

AD,

sunny Livingston 08/05/2007 14:28:13

#73 TSG - that would've made a MUCH better story than the tripe they did decide to print!!

84

AD,

sunny Livingston 08/05/2007 14:29:27

Would the EN not be guilty of racism and bullying tactics here??

85

Sense and worth o'er the Earth,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:33:04

#79 Wini - there's more of a story in your obvious solvent abuse than this garbage?

A pathetic attempt at painting more 'Nazi' connotations on a truly inclusive party? Pathetic Scotsman.

You are quickly becoming the broadsheet Daily Retard - well done. ;o)

As for the presentation Wini, perhaps you should have a word with the Scotsman editor? He, after all - is the only one with any intention here.

86

Sense and worth o'er the Earth,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:33:48

#92

Eh?

What - we must stop now to stop the SNP ethnic cleansing?

Get a grip you maniac. ;o)

87

Sense and worth o'er the Earth,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:34:32

Scotsman/EN/SoS/Daily Retard/Sun - nazi publications all ;o)

88

Susie Mac,

South Side 08/05/2007 14:37:01

Never mind what his Dad did - does anyone have his phone number - he's a lot better looking than any Labour/Lib Dems/Socialist politicians.

89

Sense and worth o'er the Earth,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:38:35

Wow - just read Wini's comments at #58.

Tell me Wini. What is it like? Being a complete nutcase?

Next you'll be asking for the SNp candidates to line up for a complete Phrenology session - just in case the 'deil is in any of them.

Btw, if you are fascinated by peeps with nasty traits, then you might want to look at small unionist elements at Ibrox on a Saturday...

...or in the sinews of New Labour's Scottish administration. ;o)

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PJ,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:38:44

Wini,

My one sentence in my comment #85 does not have any foul language in it.

It is intended for laughter or amusement: comedic, humorous, jocose, jocular, witty. If you have read something into that, it is your mind and no-one else’s!

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Kenny A,

08/05/2007 14:38:49

Wini

I think you have confused the BNP with the SNP, big style. There are Asian members of the SNP as well. The are not all Norse or Saxon, Germanic types hell bent on some Racist pogrom.

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Sense and worth o'er the Earth,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:42:04

Heh-heh - Wini, didn't we have a wee history lesson last week?

Or was that Lia? Or is Lia you?

Here it is, just for you sweetcheeks.

Welsh or, in fact, what it derived from [ancient Brythonic) - was a 'P Celtic' language:

Then - on the land of Southern Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and what we would call 'England' today.

i.e. Welsh, Cornish, Breton all derive from this.

Gaelic derives from the 'Q Celtic' strain.

Then, on the land of Scotland, parts of Cumbria, Innes Man, Eire

i.e. Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic and Manx all derive from this.

The invading Romans did not push Brythonic Celtic peoples to the edges of the British Isles!

They defeated/settled them, and eventually created a hugely sophisticated Brytho-Roman society.

These people *were* in turn chased by invading Jutes, Saxons and Angles - as the ancient Brythonic tales narrate. Some of these people pleaded with the Brythonic cousins in what is now Edinburgh. Most were hemmed into Cornwall and Wales for the duration.

What happened to these people is hugely controversial. English historians are not very comfortable with the idea of hordes of Saxons wiping out native peoples - and will go to great lengths to show that there is no 'archaelogical evidence'.

However, most historians would agree that - though at some point there would DOUBTLESS have been 'settling' - it didn't happen anything like the Roman invasions. Dark-age genocide is a dead-cert.

Recent blood studies have indicated that the populations of Suffolk, for example, have overwhelming Anglo-Saxon heritage. The Geordies have a largely Anglo-Saxon/Danish/Celt bloodline etc

The P-Celtic line is still overwhelmingly the case in Wales and Cornwall.

In Scotland Q-Celtic is still the overwhelming principle line - though there are also strong Norse [Northern Viking] lineages as well as the ancestors of those P-Celtic Brythonics. There is also a good deal of Jute in

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Bruce Ma Goose,

08/05/2007 14:42:10

In fairness to Wini. If you were wanting to instigate genocide then standing on an anti-nuclear, anti-war platform, continually preaching racial tolerance, being pro-immigration and having the only non-IC1 member of the Scottish parliament in your own party would be the way to go about it. Those pesky, deceitful Nats! How can I have been so blind as to not see their villainous long term plans for a racially pure, warmongering nation.

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Mr Flibble,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:42:33

#58
In reposnse to your claim - "In WW2 the nazis had one surprise fluke win over France after which they suffered defeat after defeat until the final massacre of the entire nazi army at Stalingrad." - that's utter tripe. The German army had numerous victories after invading France (er...Market Garden and Dunkirk to name just two).
I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to prove, but at least get your history right.

As for the article itself, I couldn't agree more with most of the comments on here. I honestly can't see what merit this story has. I'd be more concerned if it turned out that the councillor himself was an SS officer with anti-semitic tendancies and a history of war crimes. Or even if he had been displaying nazi-sympathising traits during his canvassing.
I really couldn't care less what his 80-odd-year-old father did more than 60 years ago. It's just not news and is something I would expect from the red tops rather than a title that was newspaper of the year until just recently.

How the mighty have fallen.

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Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 08/05/2007 14:46:34

Is this relevant to anything? My father was a chemist - so what!!
Another load of $hite from the gutter press

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John Jamieson,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:51:51

Brian Ferguson has hit a new low in journalism. He is a disgrace to his profession.

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Hebb,

Scotland 08/05/2007 14:53:35

See that Nobel Peace Prize winner Nelson Mandela, that's right, the one who led the people of South Africa to freedom and democracy after decades of white racist rule. Well, according to the more intellectually challenged on this forum he must be a Nazi 'cos he led a party called the African NATIONAL Congress. So it clearly follows that the Scottish NATIONAL Party and Stefan Tymkewycz, with that party's historic commitment to achieving Scottish independence through totally peaceful means i.e persuading the public to vote for them in elections, are neo-nazis. Yeah, I can see the connection right enough.

A pathetic, disgraceful article by the Evening News.

If this is the level that some in the Labour/Tory supporting unionist media are prepared to stoop to in order to attack the SNP just after the election then God knows what lies in store. Four years of unremitting negativity and lies about the SNP/Greens probably. No change there then.

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Eckyboo,

Edinburgh 08/05/2007 14:57:20

I have actually met this man and some pther members of the Ukranian community and I know that this story is not the full picture of what actually happaned The usual rubbish from the Evening News, only one side of the story.

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Arthur,

08/05/2007 14:58:00

When are the media going to wise up to the fact that they can only manipulate the simple minded and idiotic
few who believe every single word in print is the gospel truth.
The rest of us know who owns the papers, and what their agendas are.
It is now time to get our enlightenment as to what is going on in the world from unbiased sources not controlled by the vested interests who will always attempt to keep us tied to their purse strings.
Such articles are beneath contempt, and I would have expected better of Brian Fergusson, but then who pays his wages, tells him what to write ???

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Angus McIonnach,

Embra 08/05/2007 15:01:31

What a disgusting morsel of gutter journalism.

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Sarcasm,

08/05/2007 15:01:32

103. "And Barry Ferguson is not gay, a bigot...."

and in the meantime can we have your views on the journalist in question.

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Sarcasm,

08/05/2007 15:04:55

108. ".. they can only manipulate the simple minded and idiotic few .."

Not so few I'm afraid, that's why certain newspapers have swayed the outcome of elections.

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Kenny A,

08/05/2007 15:05:43

#100

Don't forget the Picts. Who were rumoured to have come from the Middle East. The "Cruithene", as they were known. The Scots own legends have them coming from Egypt at the dawn of time so that clobbers Wini's racial leanings a bit as not a lot of Germanic types from there.

Still a bit astounded by her post, must be a wind up.

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TSG,

08/05/2007 15:08:56

I just found out today we Scots came from Egypt (if you can be bothered following the links below to their ultimate conclusion).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferhotep_I

Yes, it may be garbage but I bet it woul make a bloody good story ! Barry Ferguson should be hung drawn and qaurtered. Along with anyone else ... dum dem dum de dum