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City set for taxi fare hike to help tackle rising fuel costs



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Published Date: 04 June 2008
TAXI fares in Edinburgh may be about to rise in a bid to help struggling cabbies pay their massive fuel bills.
City councillors look set to order a public consultation on higher prices, following a plea from the trade.

Drivers have urged the council to introduce an "interim" increase of 20p on all starting fares while a full review is carried out on the in
cremental charges.

If a 20p hike is agreed in principle, it will take around one month to come into force to give people the chance to object. A full fares review is likely to take months to complete.

The last review took place in November, when prices were frozen at May 2006 levels.

Fares currently start at £1.50 before 6pm on weekdays, and £2.50 at night and at weekends, rising in increments of 25p based on time and distance.

The council has no legal obligation to carry out another review until May next year, but the convener of this Friday's regulatory committee, SNP councillor Colin Keir, today said he was "sympathetic" to taxi drivers' plight.

Taxi drivers have told the News their wages have plummeted by up to £3000 a year, as they pay for more expensive fuel.

Jim Muldoon, the Edinburgh representative of the Scottish Taxi Federation, said: "The increase in fuel costs is proving very difficult for the trade.

"The 20p increase will only go part of the way to cover the increased costs and we hope the committee recognise that this is a sensible first step. We are looking to share the burden, not put it completely on passengers.

"This is not a case of us being greedy, we are just trying to keep our heads above the water. We have not had a fares increase for two years now and we are calling for this review to be brought forward as a matter of urgency."

Raymond Davidson, secretary of the Edinburgh Taxi Association, added: "You only have to look at the way fuel prices have increased in recent months to get a feel for how taxi drivers are feeling the pinch right now.

"There is only so much of these price increases we can soak up."

The chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, Ron Hewitt, has also called for an emergency council meeting to look at taxi fares. "These guys are in dire straits," he said.

Recent figures from the AA put the average diesel price at 124.17p a litre, with petrol at 112.55p in the month to mid-May.

Cllr Keir said: "I am sympathetic to a certain extent. If there has to be a rise, it has to be justifiable. But it would seem to be a good idea to have a review."





The full article contains 471 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 June 2008 11:41 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Bob 2,

04/06/2008 12:07:09
Maybe if

i)they switched off there engines when they were waiting at taxi ranks
ii)and stopped Accelerating Fast through AMBER/REF

they might find they spend less on fuel.
2

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:12:23
What a scam, any excuse from these greedy blighters for an increase in fares.

Taxis? As far as I am concerned this is it, the fares in Edinburgh are amongst the highest in the UK, I won't be using taxis in this town again
3

Capital Boy,

04/06/2008 12:14:12
#2 officially they are if i remember correctly approx 176th dearest of all uk councils !!
4

alex paterson,

embra 04/06/2008 12:16:58
Despite the rising cost of fuel these guys still do ok.
5

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:20:10
"What a scam, any excuse from these greedy blighters for an increase in fares"

Just like the stupid labour government increasing taxes eh?

The root problem is the criminally high levels of fuel duty---a problem which could be sorted out TODAY.

Of course, all the anti-car fanatics think that rising fuel costs are a good thing. These kind of things just go to show how stupid they are.
6

Brian M,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:25:21
It is 3 miles by road from my place of work to home.

I recently took a taxi for this journey.

The journey took 10 minutes.

The fare came to £7.00 .

I doubt if the cost of fuel was even 50p







7

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:26:23
#3 Capital Boy,

I don't know where you sourced that statistic, but I was told by a cab driver that Edinburgh was amongst the most expensive in the UK.

Anyway, following any 'hike' I shall hike rather than pay an increased fare.
8

Non Believer,

Edin 04/06/2008 12:29:57
#4 Exactly
I know several taxi driver's who clear 1 grand and more a week .. I find it hard to feel sorry for them !
9

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 12:37:30
#2

If you read the article properly and pay attention to detail you will notice that taxi fares have not increased since MAY 2006. If you work, I bet you have received an increase in your salary in the past couple of years?

Increasing fuel costs are costing taxi drivers dearly. No rise in costs the past couple of years, means returns for taxi drivers are reducing year on year. Add to that the increasing costs for maintenance and road tax...

You might think taxi drivers earn a fortune, but you are sadly wrong. In reality the average return is bordering on minimum wage. Yes there are busy times, but quiet times are becoming more and more.

10

Artemis,

04/06/2008 12:39:58
#6 - you could probably have cycled that in 15 minutes and it would have cost you nothing.
11

Libra Hibby,

04/06/2008 12:43:08
Pay £2.50 for a night bus home or pay £20.00 for a Taxi. There is your answer Mr Muldoon. Oh sorry add a further £3.00 because you exit the city boundary by a couple of hundred yards. Double Oh they also expect a tip too. As I said yesterday I will never feel sorry for a taxi driver. Never mind you will always have the business of ferrying lazy fat gits who can't be @rsed carrying their shopping home from Tescos.
12

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 12:45:17
#8

Total rubbish. Clearing +£1000 a week. They don't tell the truth then.

How many days do they work?


13

Non Believer,

04/06/2008 12:45:27
#9 Rubbish
You may be talking about private hire cars
Black Cabs are not bordering on min wage at all .. like I said before, a fact, over a grand a week can be made easily and ones that work all the hours are raking it in.
14

Brian M,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:46:18
#10

I usually walk it (45 minutes), but needed to get home asap
15

Toddy,

Macmerry 04/06/2008 12:47:10
#8 For a driver in Edinburgh to clear £1000 a week he/she must be living in their taxi and driving 7days a week doing a full 12hour shift minimum. ie working over 80 hours. There are not many drivers in Edinburgh who do that and the cab office take a very harsh view on those that do. We also have one of the strictest cab offices in the country with regards to vehicle maintanence. A good thing I think as I have been in plenty of other cities in the UK where some of the taxis are near death traps and still pass inspections.
16

Non Believer,

04/06/2008 12:49:00
#12 What do you mean rubbish ?
Im telling you for a fact, 5 and a half days .. not excessive hours and over a grand a week.
Are you a taxi driver ? YOUR telling ME Im talking rubbish .. wheres your info from ?
17

Brian M,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 12:51:29
#13

You don't even need to work "allthe hours" to have a decent income.

Working 40 hours a week and averaging only 2 fares an hour at £5.00 each brings in £400 per week/£20,000 per annum.

18

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 12:55:21
#16

I drive a black cab and know for a FACT that they cannot earn +£1000 driving 5 1/2 days and not excessive hours.

Taking home £1000 means +£180 per day. Add to that maintenance, rental, petrol of £70 per day. No way can you earn £250 in a day every day. Only exception a Saturday night.

19

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 12:56:28
#13

You forgot that you need to earn your rental and cover you diesel costs before you actually earn any money.
20

Non Believer,

04/06/2008 13:00:50
Ok PDubbs you obviously dont work hard enough then,Im not here to wind anyone up .. this is fact, owns own taxi, rents out other half of week, c'mon its not that difficult to comprehend is it ?
21

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 13:02:06
Sorry last post was in response to #17

So, you have calculated an 8 hour day earning £10 per hour. £80 per day.

I would have to pay £40 rental and say £10 diesel (as I haven't done too much work), so earned £30 for the day. £3.80 and hour. That works out as a £7,200 salary before deductions.

Mathematician you are not.

22

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 13:07:15
Non-Believer - It doesn't matter what people say or claim to know... at the end of the day it isn't as lucrative as some people think it is. I have worked full days for £40 or £50 at the end of it. One day last week was the best I had since the festival. I had £120 before deductions.

If he owns his own taxi, rents it out to full capcity, covers Friday/Saturday nights, well maybe. However, he isn't telling you what his running costs are. Also, take off deductions.

23

Non Believer,

Edin 04/06/2008 13:13:55
#22 I knew someone who work private hire taxi's and that is a soul destroying job, sitting for hours waiting, working 40 hour weeks and making, if your lucky, £100 a week !
I have no reason to lie and the black cab driver has no reason to lie to me .. why would he, if doesnt affect my life
I have a feeling you work private hire and if you do, I suggest you get out of there asap .. its a hopeless situation that does not get better
24

Finbarr Saunders,

04/06/2008 13:16:44
And just when I thought that I couldn't muster up any more contempt for taxi drivers ...
25

PDubbs,

04/06/2008 13:18:55
Non Believer

I am a bonafide Black Hackney Cab driver. Past the test, have the badge, on the radio circuit.

I would estimate it is a £20 - £27k a year job topline.
26

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 13:19:33
#9 PDubbs

"Yes there are busy times, but quiet times are becoming more and more."

You can safely bet that the quiet times will become more frequent if yet another 'hike' is allowed.

Re taxi driver incomes I know several who are on big bucks as proven both by their houses and the private cars they drive.




27

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

EDinburgh 04/06/2008 13:21:52
For a day shift taxi driver to earn the minimum wage, he would have to turnover £140.00 for a twelve hour shift. That would give him £5.60 per hour - after he had paid for the diesel and fuel. I know of one driver who recently turned over £100.00 for the 12 hours, leaving him £2.70 per hour as a wage.

Criminal - taxi drivers are leaving the trade right left and centre. As part time work its a great job - but trying to live on it, as another thing all together.

28

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04/06/2008 13:33:05
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29

Daft Old Git,

04/06/2008 13:37:44
Seems to be a lot of people who don't know what their talking about here. Might as well join in
30

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 13:49:44
Regarding the comments about taxi fares being expensive enough already (can't be bothered to list them all):

Yes, I agree, they are expensive. However, I believe that fuel isn't the only expense in running a cab. You need to take into account road tax, insurance (which will be rediculously expensive), buying the vehicle, maintenance and to cap it all, the hackney carriage licence (which probably won't be cheap).

I have no objection whatsoever to cabbies making a decent living but as usual, the bulk of the expense of taking a taxi is going to be made up from TAXES.
31

Chip Stencil II,

04/06/2008 13:54:13
Question: If Edinburgh taxi drivers are so skint, why don't they work on a Friday and Saturday night when the streets are full of people looking for taxis?
Answer: because they earn an absolute fortune and only perpetuate this myth of poverty so they can keep the scam going.
32

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/06/2008 14:03:50
As i have already explained on these here pages, most taxi drivers live in a warren of palaces underneath the Pentland Hills.
33

Journalistic licence,

In a cab 04/06/2008 14:22:51
Get yer revenge on a taxi driver - get a cab to the B&Q car park at Hermiston Gate and tell the driver to wait in a space while you go in and buy a screw. 2 hours and 5 minutes later you come out and go home in the taxi. 3 weeks later the taxi driver gets a fine for £110 for being parked more than 2 hours. Sorted!!
34

Daft Old Git,

04/06/2008 14:25:01
Well my friend has a neighbour who is a taxi driver. He earns £2000 a week and only works Monday afternoons. He smells like a skunk's armpit and has a yacht in the Bahamas.
35

Joe,

Livingston 04/06/2008 14:26:24
Taxi driver's hours are not regulated..time they were though.. 8 hours max per shift in 24 hours to a maximun of 48 hours per 7 day week. If they can't earn a decent wage in that time-frame they could always get a job driving buses.
36

gotalottosay,

04/06/2008 15:20:48
total greed!!!!
37

John Knox furr First Meenister,

04/06/2008 15:40:27
#21 Ah, you've come across Brian M - naw, the M doesn't stand for mathematician judging by his other posts. And the Brian shouldn't be confused with Brain.
38

Toddy,

Macmerry 04/06/2008 16:31:46
There are approx 1400 black cabs in edinburgh and about a further 800 private hire. A total of around about 2200 vehicles available. Most of the time they sit in ranks or are parked up waiting for jobs. This changes for a short period on a Friday and Saturday night when all the clubs get emptied i.e 3 to 4am when something like 15-20,000 people are all looking for a lift home all at the same time in various states of drunkeness. Having been a driver I know exactly the amount of abuse, damage, vomiting and increasingly more and more violence that takes place. It is of no surprise then that an increasingly larger amount of drivers are now not taking their vehicles out at these times as it is just not worth the hassle. It has nothing to do with the money they could make, more of protecting their vehicle and themselves. then there are the non payers, those without any money and then the vomit. If you "soil" a taxi you can be charged £20. The reality is the car is off the road possible for the rest of the night and maybe the next aswell as it has to be cleaned and defumigated. You try driving with the smell of vomit lingering around for a day or two. It is not pleasant.
39

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 16:41:33
31#

The taxi drivers cant all work on a Friday and Saturday night, as the shifts are split into day and night shift. The day shift therefor has no chance of working a weekend night and the nightshift chap usually only has one of the weekend nights, with the other being punted out to a part-timer. However, big problems here, as there aren't enough part timers. Quite simple really - if it was that easy to earn a fortune driving a taxi, then everyone would be doing it. However the truth is they aren't - there isn't and never has been enough taxi drivers to cover the fleet.
40

ddmc,

04/06/2008 16:47:37
do you think the hootsmon was softening us up with taxi drivers day trip story yesterday ?
41

Mist001,

Marseille 04/06/2008 17:11:55
Has anyone ever seen a poor taxi driver? They're greedy rip off merchants who take their feet off the accelerator when they go down hills to save on fuel but still hit you for full cost.

Still, I liked the EN humorous line: "struggling cabbies"!!

The only thing they struggle to do is keep their mouths shut if you ever have to use one which incidentally, I don't, which you may have guessed!

Michael.
42

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 17:23:31
#41 Mist001,

You make a good point about 'saving' fuel. However, I am not sure that the mileage travelled in a taxi cab has any relation to the final bill. It appears to be more guaged by the length of time your are in the cab and not the distance travelled.

I recently took a cab from Comely Bank to Barnton, en route we ran into road works and the cab was stationary for ages - did the fare clock stop? No, it continued to add on costs, the final bill from this pirate was over £11.00, needless to say I did not tip him.

Perhaps one of the taxi trade could tell us just how the fares (or perhaps I should say 'unfares') are calculated. Fuel costs can't really have much to do with it.

43

celtic4,

USA 04/06/2008 17:26:07
Taxi fares have gone up here too. Just live with it. It is the price of life just now. Sigh.
44

ddmc,

04/06/2008 17:27:51
#42 it's both time & mileage they use to keep the meter ticking
45

Keith J Bell,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 17:32:34
Never let it be said that the facts get in the way of a good story, but according to the April Edition of Private Hire and Taxi Monthly, City of Edinburgh taxi fares are 237th out of 376 Councils in the list of UK Taxi Fares, so in simple terms, there are 236 Council areas in the UK that have more expensive taxi fares and don't forget, unlike buses and other businesses, we can't charge what we need, we can only charge the fares set by the Council.

Here's the URL for all of you non-believers and conspiracy theorists

http://www.phtm.co.uk/media/1207051612.pdf
46

Mist001,

Marseille 04/06/2008 17:47:21
Get a black cab at any time and pay attention to the way it's driven. The drivers foot is on and off the accelerator all the time to build up a bit of momentum then cruise for a bit, then boost the speed again, then cruise again and so on.

This is another scam that they pull.

They're daylight robbers but at least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask! Then they expect a tip!! I'd give them a tip alright, a two word tip, first word beginning with F and the second word ending with F!

If you don't believe me, get a private hire car and you'll see the difference in how they're driven.

As you may have noticed, I despise black cab drivers!

Michael.
47

Franck,

04/06/2008 18:42:57
I am going to start charging my employer more for my work. I'm sure that he'll be happy with that and say

"no problem young man, there is the job section of the paper and there is the door, See ya!"
48

Why_the_difference?,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 19:57:22
Why are the prices in Edinburgh so much higher than in Glasgow? Presumably the cost of fuel, insurance etc are roughly the same. I regularly get a taxi from the South Side in Glasgow on a Saturday night to Queen Street station (roughly 5 miles) and this costs me around £4.60. A journey of the same lenghth in Edinburgh (City Centre to Corstorphine) costs me about £18.

Are there then charges that Edinburgh Council enforce that cause the difference?
49

Mad Vlad,

Corstorphine 04/06/2008 23:28:35
I'm a black cab driver and I can assure you it is not the gold mine you think it is. Once I pay my rental which is £255 per week and my fuel (at least £20 per day) I am not left with much. Add to that my £60 per week towards my tax bill, cost of lunch etc and whenever the taxi is off the road for servicing, cab test etc it is not a well paid job. I'm getting out now while I can and will do the odd shift on top of a normal job to try and make ends meet. It's a thankless job and looking at some of your comments on here, why do we bother ?
50

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 01:23:59
#49
MONEY, we all work for money!
Other people who work in other sectors/trades have similar outgoings as you do, so you're not alone.
Nobody that posts here will believe how hard it is for taxi drivers unless someone is brave enough and willing to post all the figures, what comes in, what comes out, etc. Until that happens, taxi drivers will be millionaires charging rates that are tantamount to highway robbery, etc, etc.
51

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 10:23:02
#46 Mist001

"As you may have noticed, I despise black cab drivers!"

Michael, not a racist comment I hope?

#49 Mad Vlad

"It's a thankless job and looking at some of your comments on here, why do we bother ?"

Yes Vlad, most of the rest of us are wondering why too.

The costs, etc which you mention can surely be offset against tax if you are operating as a registered business?

If the fares do go up (and they will), I won't be making much use of taxis, I currently use cabs to travel home after midnight, fare for a 1 mile journey? £4/£4.50 which is jusr ridiculous.

I'll buy a bike, walk, or use the night bus service £2.50.


52

Mist001,

Marseille 05/06/2008 10:48:17
The best cab driver was the one who drove the white cab and at Xmas, he'd be wearing a tartan suit and be playing the Xmas carols!

Strange though, you don't see any Afro-European/Asian cab drivers.

I think they're smart enough to know that the racist abuse they'd get wouldn't be worth their hassle.

Michael.
53

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 11:04:24
#52 Mist001

"you don't see any Afro-European/Asian cab drivers"

Michael,

There are some in Edinburgh, I've been driven by a few over the last couple of years (I expect their involvement will increase as time goes on).

Notingham is the place with the most Asian drivers I've ever experienced, in fact it doen't look like there are any drivers of other nationalities there!!

54

mystery,

05/06/2008 11:05:05
#46Get a black cab at any time and pay attention to the way it's driven. The drivers foot is on and off the accelerator all the time to build up a bit of momentum then cruise for a bit, then boost the speed again, then cruise again and so on.

This is another scam that they pull.

are you the full shilling!!!
i see your names Michael, are you sure its not RICHARD HEAD !!!
55

paulr,

edinburgh 05/06/2008 11:09:35
We have heard all the uninformed rubbish made up by people about the cab trade, how about some facts for a change?
Edinburgh is one of the dearest places in the uk for taxis.
Edinburgh also has the highest quality fleet in the uk.
The highest number of new vehicles maintained to HIGHER standards than anywhere else in the UK and rigidly enforced by the licensing authority.
All of which goes to the point that edinburgh is the most expensive city in the UK to operate a taxi in.
If it cost you as much to run your car as it costs to run a taxi, you would all be using busses.
56

Libra Hibby,

05/06/2008 11:25:51
Isn't it a case of not knowing what the market place wants. We see Taxis sitting in ranks by the dozen during the day which makes me think that there is not enough business but then low and behold when you need one on a Friday or Saturday night you can't get one for love nor money unless you walk half the way home to meet one coming back into town.
57

Bob Marley The Wailer,

on the bus 09/06/2008 22:31:39
bloody leagalised robbery!! deregulate the lot of them and let the polish and muslim community drive us where we want to go with a smile and cheap taxi fares.over bloody priced,misereable,high and mighty attitude!!! best taxi service in the uk?

 

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