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City plans rescue package to save threatened bus routes



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Published Date: 08 September 2008
AROUND half of the city's under-threat bus services would win a temporary reprieve under a rescue package being considered by council chiefs.
The Evening News has learned city leaders are set to stump up around £150,000 in order to try to minimise the impact of Lothian Buses' planned cuts.

A full list of the services that the council wants to save will be published later this week, but it is understood those identified as having the biggest social need will win support.

This is thought to include the ERI to Gyle number 18 service, as well as the number 12 service, which links the Gyle and King's Road.

The council-owned Lothian Buses wants to axe or cut back 16 loss-making routes by October in the face of falling passenger numbers and big increases in costs.

The administration had previously ruled out proposals to pump £300,000 into subsidising the under-threat services, claiming it had no money to do this.

Opposition politicians today said the new plans do not go far enough.

But city leader Jenny Dawe said it was the best they could do, given the council's budget problems.

She said: "It's very likely that we will have to bail Lothian Buses out of its own hole, and we're looking at what is absolutely essential.

"Even if a bus service is infrequent, it's better than no service at all.

"We do understand that some of the services are the ones that cost an enormous amount of money to run, but they're the ones that the most vulnerable people will sorely miss.

"We could do nothing because our budget is very hard-pressed or scrabble together to find all the money – which would be extremely difficult, given that it would cost £300k for the services being cut.

"So we've asked for a list of the most essential services – such as where there are no other buses. That amounts to around half the original list.

"It will still leave us with a big budget problem, but we'll go back and see if there's a way of retaining these services, even if it involves reducing the service."

Council chiefs had asked Lothian Buses to look again to see if it could save money on staffing levels or the number of new buses it leases to prevent the cuts, but the firm said this was not possible.

Lothian Buses is facing a steep rise in employment costs of £2.7 million, due to the need for more drivers for the extra buses it needs for the tram diversions. The diesel bill has also risen by £1.95m.

Lothian Buses did not want to be drawn on the bid to save services until after a council meeting on the issue on September 16.

But Councillor Mark McInnes, the city's Tory transport spokesman, said: "I am astounded at this. At the last transport meeting, the committee convener and Marshall Poulton (the city's head of transport] told us there was categorically no money for this.

"I am disappointed they have not found the £300,000, because this would have taken us through the next full budget period."


The full article contains 534 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 September 2008 2:43 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:10:17
And who said bus users are not scroungers?

You should all be made to pay the full cost, and stop stealing from the rest of us who can get our own way around life without depending on others for the basics!
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:11:41
You can take all the buses of the road,and make many of us very happy.
3

Grumpy,

08/09/2008 12:11:54
Why don't they extend the 12 from Kings Rd to ERI, then link it with the 18 service - then we could have a "round Edinburgh" service to replace what used to be the 32/52 and would provide a direct link from Porty to the ERI instead of the "round the houses and take 2 hours to get there" 49 service.

Costs could be provided by taking out every alternate 22 or Eastfield terminating 26.
4

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:15:36
#3 every alternative, why not every 3 out of 4. There are far too many buses on the road clogging it all up.

SPeaking of which, i wondered why queensferry road was so quite this am.

Just read the bridge was closed off. SO i knew it. All the congestion caused my the stinky fife people clogging up the roads.
5

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08/09/2008 12:18:29
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Skip McClendon,

08/09/2008 12:20:30
#1, #4

Your village called. They want their idiot back.
7

craig7653,

Port Seton 08/09/2008 12:20:34
I can solve the council budget problems in 3 words. SCRAP THE TRAMS.
8

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:23:08
#1 You forget in your ignorance that Lothian Buses contributed £2m towards the council coffers last year. So actually the opposite is true, but then I see you never let the facts get in the way of your own petty prejudices. Having said that, motorists require far more taxpayer support than bus services - the subsidy to them is many billions of pounds. Also, it is cars that cause congestion - not buses - you are like the flat earthers of the past - denying the truth despite all the evidence being to the contrary.
9

The Hallucinist,

08/09/2008 12:24:16
#5 He has a small one and takes his frustration out by posting useless and irrelevant comments.
10

The Hallucinist,

08/09/2008 12:25:36
#8 Well said. #1 is not very bright.
11

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08/09/2008 12:26:05
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allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:26:37
#8

What was the total amount collected last year in VED and Petrol duty ????

Also, when the last time buses wnet on strike, was there congestion??? Em... NO.

Due to them being taken off the road, and all the greenways being suspended, the city almost wnr tback to the ways before the Begg, anti car, administration, in that all flowed freely and without hinderence.

Buses are a menace, and so are its passengers.
13

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08/09/2008 12:26:45
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The Real Paul Voltaìre,

08/09/2008 12:27:01
1,4

Well said, we couldn't have put it better, could we.

Top trolling by us.
15

Trams shams,

08/09/2008 12:27:19
7... Spot on! Robbing Peter to pay Paul come to mind when you hear about the massive waste of public monies on a tram scheme suddenly impacting on the buses...
16

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08/09/2008 12:30:31
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17

Ian Ross,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:30:50
We can't all run gas guzzling cars that pollute the atmosphere. Fact is Lthian Buses are still the best in the UK. Try the bus services in other parts of the UK, they can't compare. Their drivers are second to none, doing a difficult job, esp in the chaos the trams are causing. No 1, you are an idiot and a snob.
18

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:32:03
#1 Thank your lucky stars that so many people do not follow your example. If everyone who could afford to travel independently (presumably you mean by car) took that option for every journey in town there would be gridlock.

And although you may think that you can afford the cost of your personal travel choices, ask yourself whether the planet can afford to sustain people like you.
19

Uncle Piehead,

Coney Island 08/09/2008 12:34:16

#1, #4 Somebody called Andrew Duncan called, says you've to stay away from sharp objects
20

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:35:29
#16, its too easy!! They fall for it everytime, minds like childs they cant help thenselves, esp FOO, as proved last weeks, tells lies!!

#18

Your wrong, when the buses go on strike, everyone manages to get about their life easily enough. So i cant be done, and its so muich better for everyone else on the road.

#17, then dont run a large car, get a small one. Think outside the box, or shoudl that be bus!!!
21

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:36:45
#16, its too easy!! They fall for it everytime, minds like childs they cant help thenselves, esp FOO, as proved last week, tells lies!!

#18

Your wrong, when the buses go on strike, everyone manages to get about their life easily enough. So it can be done, and its so much better for everyone else on the road.

#17, then dont run a large car, get a small one. Think outside the box, or shoudl that be bus!!!
22

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:36:46
#16, its too easy!! They fall for it everytime, minds like childs they cant help thenselves, esp FOO, as proved last week, tells lies!!

#18

Your wrong, when the buses go on strike, everyone manages to get about their life easily enough. So it can be done, and its so much better for everyone else on the road.

#17, then dont run a large car, get a small one. Think outside the box, or shoudl that be bus!!!
23

allknowing,

08/09/2008 12:36:49
#16, its too easy!! They fall for it everytime, minds like childs they cant help thenselves, esp FOO, as proved last week, tells lies!!

#18

Your wrong, when the buses go on strike, everyone manages to get about their life easily enough. So it can be done, and its so much better for everyone else on the road.

#17, then dont run a large car, get a small one. Think outside the box, or shoudl that be bus!!!
24

The Real Paul Voltaìre,

08/09/2008 12:42:34
23
We are so smart aren't we.
Posting on a petty website to get our pleasure winding folk up.

Will they never learn, poor idiots.
25

gggrumpy,

08/09/2008 12:43:22
I presume the council has told them to scrap the daft orange minibuses which only serve to fleece the tourists from the airport.
26

Uncle Piehead,

Coney Island 08/09/2008 12:45:08

#21,22,23

Alright Mrs Mental, full moon still a week away as well.

You probably drive a Lada, missus.
27

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08/09/2008 12:45:09
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Louise McDonald,

My house 08/09/2008 12:45:17
People got about ok during the bus strike, but could they manage every day? No.

29

Louise McDonald,

In the middle of our street 08/09/2008 12:46:42
This will solve the prams problem, cos there will be loads more buses for them to clog up the insides of.
30

James (1),

08/09/2008 12:56:03
Why is it bus users think we will be able to maintain a tram line AND keep the same number of bus services?
Come on, come back from the light and join reality!
By allowing this tram line to go ahead and with LRT (I know its Lothian Buses but if we are going to ignore facts then they will be LRT to me)running it the only way to keep it afloat is to cut services.
31

Uncle Piehead,

Coney Island 08/09/2008 13:01:45

#30 Why not keep the same number of bus services.

Unless the tram turns out to be a loss-maker. Which I suppose is just about as possible as bears going for a jobby in the forest.
32

Linmal,

Livingston 08/09/2008 13:02:08
I am from Edinburgh but live in Livingston, more's the pity. Instead of a flat fare, to travel to our town centre from my area of Livingston is £1.80 - a journey time of about twenty minutes.

In Edinburgh I could get on a bus at The Gyle and travel to Mayfield Dalkeith for £1.10 so, yes, I think probably bus fares in Edinburgh are too low (or in West Lothian they are too high).

You can bet First Bus won't be putting their fares down so I suppose it is time Lothian Buses' fares were set at a more realistic level!

I can imagine the flak that will be felt from these comments! But, to be fair, Lothian Buses have been charging a very small amount for a long time. I used to pay £24 a month for a Lothian Bus Pass (when they came to Livingston), which has only gone up, I believe, by about £10 or £15 in the past few years whereas a bus pass on First Bus for the same journey now costs - wait for it - £84 per month! So you can see for yourselves that either Lothian Buses have been undercharging or First Bus have been overcharging for a very long time.
33

Steven P,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 13:06:24
Solution is simple.
Dismiss Renilson as CEO of Lothian Buses.
Benefit is two-fold -
save £250 000 salary;
no longer have to put up with his supreme smugness and inane media comments.
Would the Buses still run - of course they would.
34

arthur conan,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 13:12:10
Easy answer! remove the management and reinstall managers who dont hold us to ransom every year. If a bus does not make a profit stated by LB management its scrapped unless council pay more, this happens every year.
35

arthur conan,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 13:15:11
Why does nearly every single bus have to go through the city centre! bring back the 32, and 1 circles.
route the 49 from the jewel over to danderhall and up to the gyle
oh and how much did it cost Lothian buses to have the drivers summer blouse made up? looks very nice guys:P
36

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 13:18:17
Uncle Piehead (31) - The buses can't be kept because Lothian Buses have been lumped together with Transdev under TEL. This means that if the trams make a loss (which is now inevitable, according to the background papers), then Lothian Buses will take the financial hit. Lothian Buses is obliged to at least break even so, unless it receives subsidies from other sources, it must reduce/cut/adjust its existing services as necessary.
37

HHJAMBO,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 13:25:00
#17
The difference is that other parts of the UK don't have to rely on buses as they have a decent underground/rail network. Public transport in Edinburgh is a joke. Unless you need to get to Princes Street. As apparently it's the law that every mode of public transport must pass through there.
38

Bling Crosby,

08/09/2008 13:29:58
i was on a bus twice yesterday.

It really did take a hassle out of my journey.

Well done the bus.
39

Bill MacD,

08/09/2008 13:41:52
The car-driving fantatics who complain about buses 'clogging up' the streets are simply pig-ignorant. The statistical facts are that at average occupancy, buses take up about ONE TWELFTH of the road space of cars. It's the cars that need to be taken off the road.
40

Bling Crosby,

08/09/2008 13:44:26
on the bus i was on yesterday there were 2 plastic bottles rattling in the back window, swaying side to side as the vehicle turned left and right, the back of the bus was silent but for these two plastic bottles. Passengers were perhaps hypnotized by the gentle rolling sound and dreamt of waves on a golden beach in a country far away continually caressing the shoreline. They would rather be anywhere than in Edinburgh on a cold damp autumnal Sunday evening.

i think someone farted on the bus.
41

geekpie,

08/09/2008 14:01:19
save these bus routes.

Once a solid bus network is in place (and we're very close) it's time to put up the parking charges a bit more. If people still want to bring their car into the city, fine, but tax them hard.
42

Bling Crosby,

08/09/2008 14:14:22
i got the bus to Joppa
i went with Dennis Hopper
we then went swimming
with beautiful women
i even got out my whopper.
43

11+failed,

the pans 08/09/2008 14:17:41
8 David Harrington,

"#1 You forget in your ignorance that Lothian Buses contributed £2m towards the council coffers last year"

Marvellous! The council subsises LB so that LB can make a profit so that LB can pay a dividend to .....the council. One slight snag LB have tax to pay on their profit so the council end up as nett losers!
44

James (1),

08/09/2008 14:17:58
#41 So the under used empty bus lane can lie empty whilst the outside lane is nose to tail with cars and it is the cars causing the congestion?
Please be real! You are a bus user and want only buses. Selfish but understandable. However people who operate outside their own cocoon know that the bus lanes can create congestion due to being in operation all day.
45

fresian,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:16:06
No 17, the buses may be the best in the UK, but they're still cr4p. I have to take the bus one day a week from home in Duddingston, to work in Gilmerton. Instead of a 10 minute run over the Wisp, I have the best part of an hour getting to The ERI, changing buses twice on the way.
46

Uncle Piehead,

Pie Land 08/09/2008 16:33:25

#49 you should make a perplexing musical. By the way, if you were any more camp you'd be the Dick Emery of the EEN. Ooops, you already are..

47

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/09/2008 16:39:21
less buses = less congestion = less pollution, so axe the beggars
48

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/09/2008 16:40:06
or if they have to be kept, finance them with a pram tax
49

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:03:15
#48 we all know it is cars that cause the congestion - take a look at the by pass at rush hour. It is at a standstill - and guess what - there are no bus routes on the by pass (yet!).
50

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 08/09/2008 18:14:40

The Gold Brothers have belatedly announced that they are to step in and save these routes, but there will be no like prams or buggies as the space has been taken up by a ginormous set of Wharfedale loudspeakers that will play ersatz bagpipe versions of "We Are Sailing", "Caledonia" and "Punk's Not Dead".

Neil Renilson said yesterday: "I've got more money than I know what to do with. I might buy a new set of golf clubs, I might not" then laughed uncontrollably before revealing that he is in fact a six-foot lizard and not a 'bus chief' at all.



51

James (1),

08/09/2008 18:20:43
#54 We are not talking about the bypass! Try and keep up!
52

James (1),

08/09/2008 18:24:48
If you have two lanes and deny vehicles from using one of them then you have a tail back. This is unnecessary. If a vehicle wants to turn left on, as an example, Calder Road it has to wait in a queue or illegally enter and use the empty bus lane.
Stupid rule but a rule none the less.
53

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:33:13
#57 - lets not forget - public transport comes before cars. Cars are the lowest priority when it comes to transport - they are below buses, taxis, goods vehicles, and cyclists. The bus lanes are necessary to ensure they flow more quickly. If you are a car driver, I am sure you see the buses flow freely along the bus lanes - surely it makes more sense to leave the car at home. All those moaning about Calder Road could quite easily leave their car at the Hermiston Park and Ride. But there again - selfish, obnoxious car drivers think the road should be for themselves only. They cause the congestion in this city. Take a look at school holidays - the buses run to timetable, same on a Sunday morning. Get the cars off the road - or force the car drivers to pay a congestion charge - lets say £15 to enter and leave the city - that will teach them a lesson.
54

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 18:40:52
Gorgie Tony....will you please take your medicine.

All bus lanes are practical in the rush hour, other than that, all vehicles should be able to use them after 9.30am till 4pm.

55

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:00:34
#59 - I disagree - take Calder Road - the majority of bus stops are recessed. Guess what happens when the bus lanes are not operational? Well the car drivers use the bus lane and fail to let the buses out of the stops - even when no one is in the outside lane. This slows down the journey for dozens of people. Dozens of people come before one person driving his car alone. Bus lanes should be 24 hour.
56

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:05:57
60

Hahahahahaha....24 hour.....and you want people to take you seriously?????

Do you know what? I run my own business. I need my van and my tools. Everytime Im waiting in the traffic, my clocks ticking, more money to me! Ever wonder why prices are going up pal? You figure.

57

Andrew,

08/09/2008 19:09:18
Won't the trams run from The Gyle to Leith? Pleny buses from there to El Porto!
58

James (1),

08/09/2008 19:12:14
#60 why do you make things up? This does not make your gripe more credible. Everyone knows you are, what's the words......oh yeah, telling lies.
If you had actual examples instead of these made up scenarios you likely stop coming over as one of the grumpy old men.
59

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:14:17
#61 - perhaps if you and other drivers were more courteous to buses, bus lanes would not be necessary. Bus stops are now being constructed out into the road (Morningside for example), because car drivers have failed to obey rule 223 of the Highway Code. Now they are suffering - you can see them 'stuck' behind a bus - quite clearly in a rant, their faces are purple, and veins are clearly visible, thumping the steering wheel - because they are forced to wait behind the bus. Perhaps if such drivers had been more courteous to buses in the past - such bus stops would not have to be constructed. I have no sympathy for such car drivers - they have brought it all on themselves.
60

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:18:44
64

What are you on about? As you are a non-driver I presume by your rantings, we'll all dismiss your thoughts on the Highway code. Youve as much experience on the road as 1 year old child.

61

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:19:23
#63 - I frequently use my free bus pass to travel on the bus - I see it everyday. Here is a specific example - on Sunday 7 September, about 3.15pm, I was on a number 3 Lothian Bus on Calder Road. We were at the stop at Stevenson College going into town. The bus had loaded passengers and was now attempting to leave the bus stop. It could not get out, and I counted 13 cars go by before the driver could pull out from the stop. All these drivers failed to observe rule 223 of the Highway Code. This is not made up - it's the truth - so what more evidence do you need - or are you using the evidence excuse to hide from the truth I speak?
62

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:20:37
#65 - you make assumptions - so this totally dismisses your comments as rubbish!!!! What makes you think I am a non-driver!!??
63

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:21:21
#65 - you would be surprised at my driving experience - but that is for another day!!
64

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:28:47
67 n 68

Aye......OK, you can fool us with your tales of how you won the Paris-Daakar rally another day.

Fact is, EVERYONE has a right to go around and get on with their lives by bus, car etc. You see, I drive around 40,000 miles a year and what you say doesnt ring true about busues not being let out when they are indicating. Thats why I assume you are talking complete b0ll0x!
65

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:31:48
#69 - I use the buses for many hours everyday - I see it all the time!!
66

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:42:19
70

No you dont, youre a passenger on a bus. Youre not in control and you dont know whats going on up the road ahead. Could be one of hundreds of reasons why the traffic has stopped.

So, were back to square 1. You want to go in a bus and i want to go in my van/car. I dont have to let the bus out if i dont want, so I always win. So start having a little respect for us car owners!

67

shopgirl08,

edin 08/09/2008 19:42:57
Bus lanes would be far more effective, especially early in the morning, if cheeky drivers stopped driving in them illegally. It makes me so mad when I sit patiently in a queue of traffic (at calder road) and I see some arrogant so and so cruising along in the bus lane ignoring the fact that it is illegal to do so. And I agree with those who criticise car drivers for not letting buses out. I have been driving for 10 years and if a bus it indicating to pull away from a bus stop I always let it out even if I know it might slow me down until I get a chance to pass the next time it stops. it's only courtesy. But clearly drivers in edinburgh have no courtesy, not just for buses but for other drivers. The number of people who cut you up, overtake at dangerous spots, don't let you out at junctions and my pet peeve - sit in the yellow box preventing traffic moving in other directions need to be pulled up and made to resit their test until they can act like a decent driver and have some courtesy for their fellow drivers. That would make traffic all over the city move more smoothly. half the congestion problems are caused by people not letting cars merge or pull out from junctions. Grrr, I'm all worked up now.
68

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:48:03
#71 - what about rule 223 of the Highway Code? Do you not obey the Highway Code?
69

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:48:32
72

Totally agree 100%
70

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:48:58
73

I do

Next question.....
71

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:53:33
#75 - what does rule 223 state? Remember your quote "I dont have to let the bus out if i dont want"?
72

James (1),

08/09/2008 19:56:09
#73 you are not going to like this tony and as such will probably ignore it but the Highway code is NOT law. It contains guidelines for good driving. So if a driver ignores it they are not breaking any laws.
Road traffic laws are a different story.
Perhaps if we stopped pensioners using the bus during peak times (which for a bus lane is 07.30hrs-18.30 Monday to Saturday) we would get people using the bus?
If that was the case would this peak period meet with your approval? No, I thought not!
73

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 19:59:54
76

Oh, read it again.....what i said.

"I dont have to let the bus out if i dont want"

You see I do let it out...all the time, but if things start getting worse for cars in Edinburgh (and you can thank David Begg and there subsequent planners), I think you'll find more and more car owners are going to be less sympathetic. So we need to strike a fair balance with common sense and the people who are managing our roads, as it happens just now, the powers that be, are failing in their task miserably.
74

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:02:53
#77 "the Highway code is NOT law. It contains guidelines for good driving" - Yes - and that is why you should obey it. Any clown of a car driver who ignores it is obviously a bad driver - you said it in your own comments.
75

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:05:12
79

I thought that was what it said, but as i couldnt be bothered

And Gorgie Tony, I hate to say it, but theres plenty bad bus drivers out there. I see them too everyday!!
76

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:06:26
sorry 77
77

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:07:57
#80 there are bad apples everywhere. I dare say you could look back at some situations you have been in and thought that you could have handled them better. I can certainly say that about me!
78

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:16:23
82

Hindsight is a wonderful thing......

Thats what's going to happen when they realise what a mess the city is in with transport here in a few years...£500m to £1bn going to be spent and they build a tram network. Jesus......theyre all over Eastern Europe!!!


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James (1),

08/09/2008 20:19:52
#82 I have read some of your remarks in the past and I agree with you they could have been handled better.

Any way what about banning OAP during peak times on buses-07.30 to 18.30 hrs Monday to Saturday. More room for the workers and more attractive for car drivers.
80

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:21:40
Sorry...I meant to say....a tram line!!!

The Labour Party i believe started the ball rolling on this Gorgie Tony, the paty that you support.....you know it, what a total waste of time, money and effort its all going to be with this. But if thats forward thinking for you then Im wasting my time debating anything with you.

81

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:33:11
#85 again - another assumption - what makes you think I support the Labour Party? I have never, ever said I support the Labour Party. With regards to the tram - I am fully supportive for it. Bus usage is increasing every year, and take a look at Princes Street at rush hour - it is like a bus station - buses are at a standstill. So it makes sense to introduce an alternative transport that will reduce the amount of buses on the road. Lets not forget the SNP are in control of Scotland. They promised, as part of their election manifesto, to scrap the tram project. When was the tram project allowed to go ahead? Which party was in control of the country at the time that decision was made? Yes - the SNP!!! The SNP are quite clearly fraudsters!! Roll on the next election!!
82

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:37:42
86

So youre in support of the trams but you dont like the party that failed to abolish it?????

Can you do joined up thinking?
83

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:44:29
#87 - What makes you think that every tram project supporter is a fan of the Labour Party? You really make me laugh!! "tram supporter - obviously a Labour supporter" Hahaha!! I make my decisions on what I believe is right for me and the rest of the city - not on what political party I support!!
84

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 20:51:23
88

I couldnt care less what you vote, because I dont bother voting.......all I know is you spraff on here a load of nonsense....time to move with the times pal, worlds a different place since you were a nipper.
85

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:59:40
#89 - "I dont bother voting" - so you have no right voicing your opinions on anyone else or about what is happening in Edinburgh, Scotland, UK - because you don't vote.
86

eDUCATIon,

08/09/2008 21:03:52
90

This is exactly what i mean....youre away with it again.....talking complete b0ll0x.
87

Logic,

Edinburgh 09/09/2008 09:39:55
#12 - Well said
88

Alan Andrew Taylor,

Portobello, Edinburgh 26/10/2008 23:41:22
Personally, I am great with buses but I'm lucky to be on the 26/15 route. I can see a problem though for people who may live at Seafield and on the old route '12' after Leith Links as they have no buses at all anymore. I guess that more money is needed to keep these going because of the extra distance and fuel costs.

At the moment, there is the option to take the '21' from Portobello to the Royal Infirmary directly. The downside is that the buses used on the route are mainly Alexander Royale type vehicles which don't provide wheelchair access, a flaw of the past. Alternatively, there is the '49' which takes about an hour but that takes you through Lochend and up the Leith Walk, to the North Bridge, Newington and Cameron Toll before reaching the Infirmary.

There are so many problems at the moment with funding problems. Schools are in great need for new buildings and there is only so much funding available.


 

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