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Published Date:
24 April 2007
THE city's postal voting system has been thrown into chaos nine days before the elections.
Fifty thousand people in the Capital who have asked for postal votes have yet to receive their ballot papers after printing delays.

Two hundred council staff were being drafted in today in a last-ditch effort to ensure the papers are delivered in
time.

The council has commandeered three sports halls at Meadowbank Sports Centre for staff to stuff envelopes. Sports centre users have been called to rearrange their bookings for five-a-side football and badminton.

The hold-up has been blamed on a failure to inform city officials about changes to the design of the voting slips, and extra checks to ensure the papers are suitable for electronic counting.

The problems are understood to have affected several other local authorities across Scotland, though none in the Lothians.

The city's returning officer, Tom Aitchison, chief executive of the city council, said he hoped the action taken today would ensure postal ballot papers were delivered in time for Edinburgh voters. The papers had been due to be sent out by the end of last week.

Following the hold-up, Electoral Reform Services - the company contracted to manage the postal votes system - told officials the papers could be sent out by the end of the week.

However, Mr Aitchison said last night: "This delay is unacceptable and as a result we have taken the decision to provide the logistical support needed to ensure all postal voting papers are issued as soon as possible."

It is now hoped the papers will be posted out by the end of the day. Mr Aitchison said the hold-up was the result of a delay in the papers being delivered by the printers, Data and Research Services (DRS). The firm blamed it on a failure to tell local councils about changes to the design of the ballot papers, although it did not make clear whose responsibility that was.

The ballot papers have been redesigned this year as local authority elections are held for the first time under the Single Transferable Vote system.

Efforts have been made to ensure the parliament and council papers follow the same basic design in order to minimise potential confusion.

However, DRS said many local councils had not been told about changes to the design of the parliament papers, meaning many had to resubmit them.

A DRS statement said: "A ballot design and text format for the Scottish Parliamentary Ballot Paper was approved by the Scotland Office, but regrettably, a significant number of local authorities were not informed of the changes to the agreed design.

"This resulted in a considerable number of ballot paper designs being submitted with differing formats, which needed to be revised.

"The outcome of this was that rather than DRS receiving all ballot paper approval by close of business on Wednesday, April 11, a complete set of correct ballot paper designs was not available until Monday, April 16."

Since then, the firm has been carrying out quality assurance tests to ensure the papers are clear enough for electronic counting.

"This has resulted in a higher volume of ballot papers than anticipated needing to be reprinted to ensure these correct standards are met," the statement said. "DRS has been ensuring that all authorities completing their own issue, and any third party organisations completing postal vote fulfilment on behalf of local authorities, have been kept informed of these delays to allow them to put in place any necessary contingency."

City council chiefs said they were not affected by the changes in the DRS designs.

An Electoral Reform Services spokeswoman said: "There have been an unfortunate number of delays in the delivery of the ballot papers which has had a knock-on effect in terms of the issue of postal vote packs.

"We are working closely with Edinburgh City Council who decided, in order to expedite matters, they would provide further staff to complete their fill with ERS providing a management team and undertaking quality assurance processes."



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  • Last Updated: 24 April 2007 12:48 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Holyrood Elections
 
1

Banditry,

24/04/2007 11:02:16

zzzzzz

2

Boyce,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 11:02:59

Does this sound suspicious to anybody else?

3

Banditry,

24/04/2007 11:03:00

call addecco, they've lots of envelope stuffers

4

argonaut,

musselburgh 24/04/2007 11:07:19

this is totally dodgy

5

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 11:08:27

Chaos? There was a problem, it is being sorted out. How is that chaos?

6

mv,

24/04/2007 11:10:49

Someone called Jack seen making off with 50 thousand envelopes, will do anything to avoid defect!

7

mv,

24/04/2007 11:12:02

I mean defeat....

Where do the council get 200 people from? Maybe over-resourced or is this the speed bump team being re-employed for the weekend?

8

Billy,

Germany 24/04/2007 11:21:52

Nigeria revisited. I have said it repeatedly, we must have Independent election monitors otherwise, Labour will lie and cheat their way to power. Don't let them drag the electoral system into the gutter, at the first sign of anything fishy, report it to the police.

9

belzebub,

city centre 24/04/2007 11:21:57

I am surprised that the council could only find 200 spare people with nothing to do.
It's not fair. You get a job as a Council Bicycle Liaison
Officer and the next thing you know, you are stuffing envelopes.

10

Steve S,

Ed'Burgh 24/04/2007 11:37:30

#10 Calm down Billy and read the story. Hardly compares to hundreds dead as in Nigeria, does it now?

11

IWright,

24/04/2007 11:37:50

50,000 postal votes in a city of 450,000 (including children)?

12

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24/04/2007 11:40:03
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13

kvasir,

24/04/2007 11:40:14

#8: I work for the Council and yesterday a number of staff in my section were instructed to clear their diaries for today and get down to Meadowbank for 9am. I assume it was the same in other departments.

Over resourced? No. Just fuller in-trays and tighter deadlines to come back to tomorrow.

14

The Judge,

24/04/2007 11:41:20

Why is anybody suprised by this? Its happend at the 3 elections and it'll happen again.

The one thing I do find a bit strange is how the city council can find 200 employees at short notice. I've always known the council was overstaffed but 200 employees?

15

A Voting Floater,

24/04/2007 11:41:53

#12,

Enough said! :-)

16

copulatory expletive deleted,

24/04/2007 11:44:18

Let's hope the 200 staff have washed their hands after their outing to Porty yesterday.

17

Buddy,

East Lothian 24/04/2007 11:47:56

I haven't got mine yet.

18

sigma,

EDINBURGH 24/04/2007 12:02:15

If #9 is the same Jim Taylor who is always writing to the press and complaining the he should be ashamed at his comment. If you don't vote DON't complain. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!

19

Randan,

24/04/2007 12:04:53

Lucky they've not demolished Meadowbank yet or they'd be stuffed!

20

S Hamilton,

Embra 24/04/2007 12:06:10

Who cares - after meenisters had already scrapped checks designed to prevent abuse of postal votes.

Computer checks on ballot signatures will be used in England, but not here and date of birth checks on the same papers will happen In England but not here.

But the Scotland Office decided last November not to bring it in either measure because electronic counting of votes will also be used for the first time and it was feared so many innovations might overwhelm the system.

So corrupt and technologically untried. Large brandies all round in wee fat Jacks hoose.

21

Faye,

Scotland 24/04/2007 12:13:24

They've known about this election for how long?

22

wattie>x 1,

24/04/2007 12:26:45

Modern technology when fitting the bill, can be made to deliberately fail if required,to suit any ulterior motive!
Beware; when Brown and Blair's lying, sleazy and corrupt New Labour Champagne socialist are let loose off their leash, there is no forecast depth of depravity that they won't descend too!
BERWARE!

23

Calum Crubag,

24/04/2007 12:27:39

Labour want to trust us with the country?! Maybe these are the same people who dumped raw sewage in the Forth? Maybe Labour got their waste-management and ballot teams mixed up?

24

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2007 12:28:37

#4 You must have cut it pretty fine then; there was no guarantee that postal ballots would have arrived by now.

25

druidh,

24/04/2007 12:28:43

Bit of a shock then - this election thing?? Didn't see it coming??

26

DC,

24/04/2007 12:29:36

#23 - Four years. But they still can't print the papers until the nominations for THIS election have closed and the names of all the candidates are known. That happened quite recently.

New system, small problem, Councils sorting it out. Nobody dead. Ho hum.

27

DC,

24/04/2007 12:33:18

Frankly, if the delay means that some of the nutters, clowns, conspiracy theorists, Council haters and professional moaners who infest these threads are deprived of inficting their votes on the rest of us, at least some good will have come of it.

28

Bobbie M,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 12:36:03

The council workers who have been drafted in, like the council workers who are seconded to the team for several months prior to the election all return to their departments and have a mountain of work to catch-up with. This work will be left for these workers.

As the story states this is a mistake by an outside agency so why does everyone jump on the bandwaggon of Council fault???

29

The Floating Voltaire,

seton sands, lying low. 24/04/2007 12:37:22

29.
Hey I represent that remark.

30

DC,

24/04/2007 12:50:03

#31 - Aye, I'd noticed.

31

steve 1511,

24/04/2007 12:50:40

as the card says if you have not recieve your ballot paper by the 30th of april call the number on the card

32

Hugh Phamism,

Bo'ness 24/04/2007 12:58:40

Not just Edinburgh. I'm Falkirk district and I don't have my ballot papares yet either....

33

DC,

24/04/2007 13:01:11

#34 - it's OK, the polls don't actually close until 10.00pm on 3 May 2007 so you still have plenty of time.

34

John Sutherland,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 13:02:34

Labour know that they are going to lose this election, so this seems to be their means of introducing corruption into the system as a desparate measure to try to avoid that.

Meanwhile, the Council will need to find somewhere else to store these ballot papers in future if Meadowbank is closed down and demolished.

What a SHAMBLES!!!

35

Maryann,

24/04/2007 13:02:57

Enough already. Scrap postal voting except or the housebound. Everyone bangs on about their rights, well, what about their responsibilities. Is it too much to ask that when an election is called, every citizen gets off their backside and gets down to the polling place and casts their vote.

In some countries voting is compulsory, no vote, no passport. In others if you don't vote, you are fined.
When you consider how many millions of people, worldwide are denied the chance to vote, we should be ashamed of our low turnouts.

If you don't like the result, the only peple to blame are yourselves.

36

Nectar,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 13:10:10

#9 and #13
What's the point of voting?
Why not ask the guy who stood in front of the tank in China?
Why not ask any of the ex-communist bloc countries?
Why not ask the world's largest democracy (USA)whos 2000 presidential election came down to the same few hundred votes being checked and re-checked?
You don't have a say if you don't vote. Apathy and complacency leads to apathetic and complacent government.

37

DC,

24/04/2007 13:18:17

#38 - just so. We get the politicians we deserve, because we choose them. Or in the case of a fair proportion of folk, can't be ersed choosing. Not that being too idle to vote stops them whingeing on about the consequences, mind.

Didn't bother to vote? Don't bother to moan then.

38

JuanKerr,

edimbra..... 24/04/2007 13:25:38

TOTALY DODGY! - Given the councils record in the past regarding voting. If it's anything like the housing transfer referendum. We will all receive ballot papers with 1 box (Labour) and a complimentary DVD on how good labour and the council are!

I highlighted this issue a couple of weeks ago about the voting sysstem being switched to electronic and all despite it having a high fail rate! Be Warned!

39

DC,

24/04/2007 13:26:43

By the way, #36, you're nuts. If Labour lose this election, that is the result which will be announced a week on Friday. And another Party will then take over. There is no history in the UK of widespread electoral corruption, or polling station violence, or army coups or whatever, following a sitting Party's defeat.

In this country, the Party of Government changes not infrequently. The losers accept it with good grace, go into opposition and regroup to fight another day. That's how it works here. It's called democracy. And it actually works OK. And that is despite the fact that we actually let all kinds of clowns, nutters, conspiracy theorists, Council haters and professional moaners vote without so much as a competency test. All one has to be is 18 or over. Amazing really.

40

DC,

24/04/2007 13:28:29

#40 - good grief, are they cloning tossers out there or something?

41

Boyce,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 13:34:26

It seems that the Labour parties close relationship with the Bush regime is paying off. They are learning new election tactics from the champions of true democracy.

42

Xena - Warrior Princess,

Ex Labour Voter 24/04/2007 13:52:45

#41 I agree with you I don't believe for a minute that there is a conspiracy!

43

Billy,

Germany 24/04/2007 14:00:40

Dont forget Labour have been caught before red-handed ,
manipulating postal votes , Mohammed Sanwar (OR something similar) was the culprit that time. What makes anyone think these bunch of low quality councillers would not try it again .? Complacency is our biggest enemy .

44

Arrow,

edinburgh 24/04/2007 14:04:24

maybe it was the postal voting forms that blocked the sewage works.

45

Boy Wonder,

24/04/2007 14:36:43

Of course 50,000 postal vote forms are missing. The election date just kinda crept up on them. Didn't anyone else spot that? I wondered why it was so quiet.

46

Rodster,

Glasgow 24/04/2007 14:38:04

#41 You may laugh about conspiracy but I would put nothing past this lot.
They started an illegal war for oil do you thikn it is not possible they would fix an election to keep the oil in Scottish waters?
If ythere is anything les than a rout of Labour something is wrong .

47

Calum10,

24/04/2007 14:57:51

It's not just Edinburgh, voters in Aberdeen and Dundee will have to wait until Friday or Saturday before they receive their postal votes. Voters in these two cities have been told it would be best to hand their postal votes into polling stations (thereby negating the whole idea of voting by post) because of the delays in sending out the letters to voters.

This has the potential to turn out to be one bloody big mess.

48

DC,

24/04/2007 14:58:22

#49 - Yep, I am laughing. To fix an election, Labour would need the complicity of the City of London's financial institutions, big business, the media including the press, the country's establishment, the Civil Service, the Whitehall mandarins and the Councils. For starters. And probably the army to put down dissenters after the faked results are announced. Correct me if I am wrong, but none of those institutions are exactly traditional Labour supporters.

Nuts. Just nuts. Pin tinfoil to your ceilings. Stops the dangerous signals getting through to your brains, you know.

49

Donny,

24/04/2007 15:59:52

Does anyone know what proportion of the electorate the 50000 votes represents , it seems a very large number . What is the breakdown of these votes , people on holiday or business, , ethnic minorities voting en bloc , disabled or simply can't be bothered giong to the polling station . I think we should be told and it should also be part of the returning officers announcement , not who got the votes but the number cast in any one contest. This has the potential to be very NUlab.

50

iang,

glasgow 24/04/2007 16:08:53

Postal voters not getting their voting papers on time and an Electronic counting system which has NO independent human checks being done. I think old tony has been taking lessons on how to win an election from GW and his cousin Jed.

It really scares me that we have no independent adjuudcators for the electronic counting, there has to be accountability in case of marginal decisions.

51

Boyce,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 16:31:56

51

Crap all it needs is one person in the right place at the right time.

52

Steve Foley,

England 24/04/2007 16:42:12

DC, the Polls may well be open till 10pm but if one is on the Postal Voters List and Postal Votes have been issued one cannot then vote in Person.

A line is drawn through the Voter's Name on the copy of the Electoral Roll at the Polling Station, the letters PV appear next to it and the Clerk will not then issue you with a Ballot Paper if you turn up in person to vote. The only persons who have the dual option are those who have chosen to vote by Proxy. In that case one can vote in person as long as you get to the Polling Station before the Proxy. In that case you will be issued a Ballot Paper and your Proxy will not, otherwise they draw a Ballot Paper and vote in your stead.

Now I DON'T think this cock-up is a conspiracy. Instead it is the usual Council / Govt. Dept. B@lls up caused by using external Private Enterprise agencies which fall down on the job. Down here in England the have been umpteen instances of Companies charging a fortune to Local Councils and Governmental Departments to build computer systems to handle such matters as Housing Rents, Welfare Benefits etc , over-running their deadlines-sometimes by years, and then when the systems are commissioned they fall over causing all sorts of problems. Instead of giving these Companies the boot, suing them for the additional costs incurred, then blacklisting them for future projects they use them again and again wasting the Tax-payers and Council Tax payers money.

It would have been far better if this had been handled as it used to be. The Council's own Printing Dept to produce the Ballot Papers and send them out in the post rather than use some "for profit" Company that is only interested in making money for its owners or shareholders.

The big problem now will arise if there are some close or dodgy results as then the "clowns, nutters, conspiracy theorists, Council haters and professional moaners" that DC so detests will have a field day.

They have had 4

53

H Pau,

Leith 24/04/2007 16:46:07

#12 I think the 50,000 postal votes described are not just for voters in edinburgh but throughout Scotland.

This does not represent chaos - but certainly a revision of planning procedures is required. Candidates names need to be sorted out sooner.

Also - I'd prefer to see the traditional counting working as normal alongside the electronic count. I think the plan at the moment is to just have the electronic count and do some sample hand counts to test that it's working.
Once we've been through the whole process using both counts and established that the electronic count works well should it be used alone.

54

Steve Foley,

England 24/04/2007 16:57:24

Very wise #56. Some years ago I was a Company Accountant and we were transitioning from a Manual to Computerised Book-keeping system. I ran both in parallel for 3 months until the bugs were ironed out on the Computerised version and both sets of figures agreed and only then shut down the manual system. Perhaps they ought to have done the same here?

55

Chief S,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 17:16:00

Great, I'm off back to work in London tonight so will not be able to vote. This is the first time I've ever registered and as a serving member of the armed forces I was certainly going to tactically vote against Labour. This also seems to be getting very little coverage on the other media outlets.

As to untried computer technology, hundreds of servicemen have had their pay messed up by a new Joint Service accounting system and the army have only just came online in April so I'm just waiting to be told that the whole system has crashed and I'll get another round of bank charges.

56

The laird.,

FROM LEADHILLS 24/04/2007 17:28:16

JUST ANOTHER /lABOUR PLOY TO AVOID A CATASTROFIC DEFEAT,
it,s time, S.N.P. FOR SCOTLAND, SCOTLAND MATTERS TO THE s.n.p. ask the redundant ship yard workers that lost out of 2, new ferries being built in poland for cal-mac. N/Labour the only thing that matters to that lot is the union, put scotland first.

57

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24/04/2007 17:52:00
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58

Steve Foley,

England 24/04/2007 18:04:51

#58. Don't your employers, the Army, pay for Bank Charges if they pay your Salary late into your Bank? Most companies do in such circumstances.

59

DerekS,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 18:40:32

Adam Lyal's Witchery Tour Party is to blame. The ghost got in the machine.

60

Chief S,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 18:54:21

#61. The last time I attempted to claim back charges, I had to get a letter from my bank stating they were unwilling to waive the charges, provide complete copies of my bank statements (I tried with all other transactions blanked out and this was rejected) and it still took me 6 months. During this time I'd to scrimp to avoid further charges being incurred by having nearly £300 of money taking from my monthly spending allowance.

When JPA came in for the RN in Nov 06, I was underpaid by some £450 a month, I eventually got this money back at the end of Feb but was forced to have a very frugal Christmas as casual payments are not available on this new system.

61

Fluffy,

24/04/2007 19:13:04

and how come this turned into a 'reclaim your bank charges forum'

62

kvasir,

24/04/2007 19:48:31

#50 Ok, so it's not *quite* the same as a proper postal vote, but strictly speaking anyone can hand in your postal vote, so long as it's at the City Chambers or at any polling station within your constituency; it needn't even be your own polling station. The reason why anyone can hand it in - the ballot papers are in a sealed envelope so the Presiding Officer won't have a clue whether it is you handing them in or someone else entirely.

63

Cam3,

Cam3 24/04/2007 20:28:49

Couldn't put it any better than this:

In the words of 'Home again, from Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire / 9:07pm 24 Apr 2007'

Scots, all Scots, please listen to me!
It's time to vote for the SNP.
If you want to stand on your feet again
Reaching out for your dreams again -
With a straightened spine,
and a head held high
Striding forth in pride and strength
Scotland regains in width and length
That drive for achievement
That strive for agreement
In all things that count, you're a COUNTRY again!

Just do it. SNP X

64

Cam3,

Cam3 24/04/2007 20:34:50

Ask yourself this Scotland.

What is the rationale at the back of Scotland's future? What ARE the reasons for and against Union? The real reasons? Those reasons that shift politicians and armies to act - the ones that birth policies and shift peoples? - not noble virtues about 'Scottishness'.

A/ Scottish reasons for staying in the union?
- eh, Iraq?
- Cash for honours?
- Pensions wreck?
- Disgusted trade unions?
- Increasingly low-school rating cards?
- Labour's 'Faslane spin?'
- Ripping the heart out our regiments [who - by the way - shouldn't be in Iraq!]
- Labour's foretold Al Qaeda attack?
- Labour's 'Social ties between Scotland and England dissolving?'
- Labour's 'The 'Balkanisation' of the UK?
- Labour's Govan poverty?
- Reiterated, tired pledges?
- Phoney party political broadcasts with ex-Labour officials?
- *Alarming* control of the mass media in Scotland??
- The absolute stagnant economic position after eight-years of Lab-Lib govt.?

B/ 'British' reasons for **wanting** Scotland in the union?

- Land
- Space
- Resources
- Environmental futures

C/ Scottish Labour's reasons for staying in the union

- Labour values [see above!]
- Political ambition
- Looking after the coats of Bush, Chirac - other 'actual' leaders of countries.

Not forgetting, of course, the long-versed continued subsidisation of Scotland i.e. England 'keeps Scotland going'? Labour tell this to 'their own people'!! What a joke!!

Vote with your head *on*, your heart glad, your legs, your feet, your toes and your fingers - ears and eyes open Scotland.

Get these tyrants OUT!

65

Cam3,

Cam3 24/04/2007 21:02:45

I would urge EVERY Scot to watch this video!

Do you really want this cretin to continue his shoddy, unimaginative, London lead caretakeship of the Scottish parliament 'til 2007? 2011? Ever?

God! I think the server's near exploding as people cue to cringe! Have patience and try later if you can't get in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQJKa1NP7g

66

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 24/04/2007 21:32:49

Cam3 - that was a gruesome spectacle. Am I wrong in thinking that Jack McConnell used to be a maths teacher? I think he failed the Ponsonby Exercise miserably - should try much, much harder.

67

AaronL,

Hillside 24/04/2007 23:18:42

But Edinburgh Council said that Meadowbank was no longer fit for purpose. Surely it's too dangerous to count the postal votes at Meadowbank. There could be an injury! Think of the safety issues! Blah!!

68

Kevin Connor,

Meadowbank 25/04/2007 01:27:41

Next time, they will have to comandeer the 800 flats.
"Sorry guys, I know you paid £250,000 for your two-bedrooms, but..."

Or maybe they could use the 'community leisure centre' that may join the flats on the Meadowbank site:
"Is this it? Is this what we've replaced the stadium with? Hey, why are there so many kids hanging around outside with nothing to do? Hey, that's my car that you're vandalising..."

I have every faith in the council to do their research and plan properly. I don't believe the rumours that the property developers and financiers have more clout than we the people have.

Do you?

69

Duncan in Edinburgh,

25/04/2007 07:56:10

#58 So you're another one who made the assumption that your form would arrive early? They aren't meant to have arrived yet! They are slated to arrive by 30th. If you miss voting because you are leaving before 30th then you cannot blame the system, your dates were just unfortunate. If it arrives after 30th then you can start complaining!

70

mark jacobs,

edinburgh 25/04/2007 12:46:54

i wonder if all the other parties are gonna jump with both feet onto this farce and expose labour's incompitence .they couldn't run a bath .

71

John Sutherland,

Edinburgh 25/04/2007 20:16:58

#41

I have never at any time suggested that there is the full-scale corruption here that there is in other countries (such as in Africa) and I like you, I am also democratic enough to accept defeat gracefully if we don't get the parties in power this time that I want, and then regroup for the following election thereafter.

I am only pointing out that parties such as Labour will bend the rules as much as possible within current laws in order to cheat their way into power. That might fall well short of the full-scale corruption which you have mentioned, but it is STILL corruption as far as I am concerned.

72

David B,

Scotland 25/04/2007 22:50:38

Have spent hours today trying to get satisfaction from North Lanarkshire Council, Vote Scotland, Electoral Commission for Scotland and others. No joy: all sorts of excuses. Off tomorrow: not a chance of getting my postal ballot paper.
Have asked: what do I do?
Answer: write a letter when you return.
No-one accepts any responsibility.
What incompetence!
This is so-called democracy.

The elections should be postponed; an enquiry held; and action taken against the culprits.

Voting is a fundamental right; I and many others are being denied that right.

The Electoral Commission said, by the way, that this shambles is not part of their remit. What is their remit?


 

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