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Brown bandwagon rolls in looking for Scots support



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GORDON BROWN and the Labour deputy leadership bandwagon were due in Glasgow today seeking crucial Scottish support.
The six candidates for the deputy's job were frantically bidding for the vital votes of party activists at the hustings, set to get under way at noon.

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister-in-waiting was seeking to reassure the core Scottish voters who g
ave Labour a bloody nose in the Holyrood elections.

The party faithful are keen to know what a Brown premiership can do for them

but he will be aware the rest of the UK is watching. If he is seen to pander to old Labour in Scotland, Tory leader David Cameron will waste no time in claiming he is taking the party back to its "Red Clydeside" days.

The deputy leadership contenders are also facing awkward tasks.

Hilary Benn, the International Development Secretary and bookies' favourite, is hoping not to appear too New Labour for the mostly old Labour crowd and party chairman Hazel Blears has yet to convince that her energy, capacity for hard work and courage would be an asset.

Outsider Jon Cruddas has been trying to connect with Scottish activists, while Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland and Wales Secretary, is parading his radical roots as a veteran anti-apartheid campaigner.

Constitutional Affairs Minister Harriet Harman aims to overcome her Home Counties image and Education Secretary Alan Johnson is bidding to rid himself of the "dark horse" tag.



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1

Auckland Arab2,

02/06/2007 11:25:11

Brown is going to define Lame Duck Prime Minister. 2 years and then the Hooray Henries are back at No.10. Woo Hoo can't wait (not)

2

Auckland Arab2,

02/06/2007 11:25:59

(Surplus) Baggage Train would have made a more appropriate headline.

3

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 12:11:11

#3. AM2: Great Comidy link, I was feeling a wee bit down this morning that totaly chered me up it's amazing how a wee giggle can brighten your day. That wee tree just cracks me up espesaly with logo "Vote Blue go Green".

The best bit about that site is you can make the writting realy wee and tiny so you canny read it at all or make it just big enoght to read. Nice photo an all, cammron looks like he's blowing a kiss or somthing.

I like the Scottish Exective website the best you can put the font up to size where reading is easy and if your feeling a wee lasy you can have the computer read it too you!

4

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02/06/2007 12:41:56
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5

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 12:44:59

3 am, what makes you think they're not ? are you in favour of David Cameron for PM ?

6

drew 33,

edinburgh 02/06/2007 12:49:45

Aye, John Prescott will be a hard act to follow! Running 2 Jags and all these on table sessions with the diary secretary.

7

sceptic,

livingston 02/06/2007 13:04:13

7
Not to mention talking continuously while saying nothing and behaving as a noisy violent buffoon the rest of the time.

8

First Minister,

Bute House 02/06/2007 13:18:16

Hey #5 needledick, the lady could be dyslexic, utube, so take it easy, chill, anyway you have a cheek being a fifer!

9

Dileas,

02/06/2007 13:22:23

#3 - THanks for this comment, AM2 - I enjoyed reading David Cameron's attitude to Scotland - it boosted him in my view!

It makes an interesting contrast with the Labour Party's machinations both in Westminster and, particularly, Holyrood where their picque has got the better of them - their behaviour shows just how unconcerned they are about Scotland's wellbeing.

The SNP has really highlighted just how inept and gut-reaction driven the previous Labour/LibDem coalition was!

Since the election, I am becoming more inclined to "anyone but Labour" - and their jackal Lib/Dems.

And as for Brown, that sneaking, conniving, spineless coward - what can I say about him other than even while saying he wouldn't raise taxes, he was. Pretty well says it all, doesn't it!

10

Hmm ...,

02/06/2007 13:27:17

... you mean, Dileas, that Labour are throwing their toys out of the pram in a fit of picque at being denied their birthright (not to say continuing career) because they were inept in government at every level?

If you put it that way, I have to agree with you.

But then, the SNP ministers are able people who had real jobs in the real world before they were elected. Unlike the Labour cronies, whose career has been in the Labour machine, with bits of temping as social workers and teachers in between.

11

lia,

02/06/2007 13:30:49

Eves problem isn't dyslexia, just a lack of proper teaching at school. anyway,lets give Gordon a chance,he deserves that much.

12

Hmm ...,

02/06/2007 13:32:00

... you mean, AM2 (11) that the Tories are, like the SNP a breath of fresh air after Labour's ineptness?

I have to agree with you. Imagine what Scotland could do with Tories right of centre and Nats left of centre!

Is there the makings of a coalition there, do you think? After the next election?

It strikes me that they might "strike off" each other better than the Labour / LibDem alliance! Which saw LibDems agreeing to anything in exchange for a few morsels of their own - like encouraging homosexual propaganda in schools! Oh, how that enriched Scotland!

13

Horace,

02/06/2007 13:53:15

~13 Lia - you say to "give Gordon a chance,he deserves that much". Just why is that? He has raised taxes to the highest level since the WWII, he has raided the pension funds throwing a huge number of peoples' old age into the can, he has made car ownership the most expensive in Europe and he has done all of this while claiming to "be prudent".

What additional chance should we give him? TO make even more of a mess of Europe than Blair, to dither about Iraq, to continue to be absent when difficult situations emerge?

Let's face it, the present Westminster Labour government is exhausted and discredited and he has played a part in that.

It's time to call a General Election.

14

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02/06/2007 14:44:04
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15

James Annand,

02/06/2007 14:46:08

I read your link AM2.

"...the Union is supposed to be a relationship of equals."

You would normally argue that we are over represented, and shouldn't rock the boat.


"Why is that Scottish sportsmen and women who win are habitually claimed by English media commentators as 'British' only to be promptly redesignated as 'Scottish' the moment they lose?"

If I had said that, you would have told me to stop whining and that it doesn't really happen.


You accuse the nationalists on here of just agreeing with whatever AS says without thinking. Are you not doing that now?

16

lia,

02/06/2007 14:47:49

ok then are you saying that you want a David Cameron goverment, because please remember their title is "Conservative and Unionist Party" 'we eck' stands no chance of getting his independance

17

James Annand,

02/06/2007 14:54:34

“the anti-Scottish Tories remain a nasty party”

This was said in 2005 BC (Before Cameron). Here is the full quote, in case you have forgotten:

"The Tories are bringing their particular brand of nasty politics to Scotland today. They want to slam the door on new Scots – people who can contribute an enormous amount to our economy and communities.

"Scotland faces a half million population slump and yet the Tories are peddling a policy that may fit the prejudices of middle England but are bad news for Scotland's economic success.

"The anti-Scottish Tories remain a nasty party. They say Scotland is an unattractive place to live – we say Scotland will be better off as a Tory free zone."

Now, I don't really know what the Tories had said that day, but it sounds like they had insulted Scotland during their party conference.

Wishart's comments occured after the Shadow Scottish Secretary said that Hollyrood should be abolished. Mr. Gray had to resign as a result. This also happened in 2005.


At least “anti-Scottish bile that emanates from the rank of Mr Cameron's MPs” happened fairly recently. In October last year.

It was not attacking Mr Cameron. It was attacking some members of his party that do, whether you like it or not, have very outspoken views on the Scottish matter.


Now, can you find some other quotes please? I'm saving this to notepad, and will post it every time you paste these quotes.

18

First Minister,

Bute House 02/06/2007 14:57:21

AM2 thanks for that link, that was the 1st & last time i will be following one of your links, but surely his comments confirm that Scotland suffers, rather than benefits from being part of the Union, and that he will have just pushed even more citizens towards voting for an Independence Party?

19

JT fae Cardiff,

02/06/2007 14:58:32

#5

Eve is dyslexic. Can't believe some people get kicks out of it. Eve's posting was perfectly legible. I understood it. Maybe you should have gone to school if you were having difficulty understanding it.

20

lia,

02/06/2007 15:13:28

#22 Eve is NOT dyslexic, my daughter is dyslexic.
Dyslexic's use all the right letters but in the wrong order, Eve hasn't even got the right letters, her problem is bad spelling from bad teaching.

21

lia,

02/06/2007 15:16:11

#20 So why won't you give Gordon Brown a chance!

22

James Annand,

02/06/2007 15:26:42

Maybe I'm mixing you up with Upbeat or something for the #18 point.


I'm afraid I found the "unattractive place to live" comment on snp.org. I don't have the time or inclination to search through bbc/conservative press releases from on or before 2005-04-12.

The 'bile' comment is something you see in politics all the time. It's embellishing your words a bit to make the point.

By the way, I don't think Cameron is the only pro Scottish Tory. My granny would count, wouldn't she?


Given Mr. Camerons speech that you cited earlier, it would sound like he hears 'anti Scottish prejudices' all the time. I wonder where???? :P

I'll read the speech, but don't think this is going to be a regular occurance. I'll get back to you, but Mr. Salmond did say "just about". Not all.

23

James Annand,

02/06/2007 15:32:16

Lia, I wouldnt' give Gordon Brown a shot of whiskey, let alone a shot at the PM job. A few years ago, I was on his side....to an extent.

Lately it would appear his true colours are coming out. He is incredibly arrogant and bullish.

It is very likely that he will lose at the next general election. Maybe he will win Scotland and Wales again. In fact it is very likely he will, but they are facing a whitewash in England.


If I'm right about that, I think we should be looking at who is likely to be the new PM in two years.

24

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02/06/2007 15:47:39
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25

lia,

02/06/2007 15:47:43

#27. you may be right, especially as the English Democrats,who are campaigning for an English parliament,are makeing steady progress.

26

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 15:59:34

#13. lia: Your an eejit, Who just hasn't got a clue.

1st: I was assesed by a Chartered Educational Psyhologist and was found to be Dyslexic.
http://www.dyslexiaaction.org.uk/

2nd: I went to School in the Labour Party heartland and therefore my edautionboard was ran by the Labour party athouirty.

3rd: The Eduationboard where hopeless (told me I had no problem, then told me I had spific Learning difficulies) and durring a crusal part of my eduation they spilt up (again ran by Labour) and when I wanted to do higher, I was told that I couldn't do highers because I was Dyselxic.

27

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 16:01:11

Gorden Brown at the next election will fall flat on his face. he will fail due to his inability to answer questions with straight answers, he will spend all his time telling Scots he is a unionist and his favorite moment in football was Gazza scoring for England, He may[just] hold his seat in Dunfermline, but only as part of his deal with Mungo Campbell to save lab if the election is a close one.

28

Brisbane Scot,

02/06/2007 16:04:42

AM2,

Jeez you just dont get it lad. The Scottish People are now getting a taste for a Scottish Government totally focussed on the Scottish Peoples welfare. Its happening in local councils as well as Holyrood and guess what? they like what they are seeing so far. The majority of Scottish People want improvements on the infrastructure not white elephants like the Tram. They like how Nicola is out there looking at ways to improve the NHS and not by fudging the numbers. They like the discoveries to date about wastage in government and that they are told about it. They are getting to see the low actions by the Anglo Parties to undermine their government and they dont like it. They see how Bliar and Gonzo Broon have insulted the Scottish People by taking four weeks to recognise their democratically elected government. All in all the sensible comments on these forums by non SNP supporters show that there are benefits to having their people looking after their interests. I am sure Alex and his team will continue to make the right decisions for the Scots and if they stuff something up will be the first to admit it unlike the Stalinist Westminster governments of the Labour, Tories, Lib Dems. It does not mean one iota whether it is any leader or party Scotland is going to be governed by Scots for Scots.

By the way the lassie hasnt got anything to worry about as far as her spelling goes or her opinion. Wee Jokee, Bliar, Broon and successive Anglos are the ones who deserve the blame unfortunately they DONT WORRY ABOUT IT.Now away you go and soak your head,nobody is really interested in your Hootsman propaganda.

29

sazz,

02/06/2007 16:10:45

Brown's bandwagon can kiss my erse...

30

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 16:13:16

#23. lia: I Suggest you go and read up on Dyselixa.

Because the staus of Dyslexia is a broad cover and not all dyslexics are effect in the same way. The main problem all dysleixcs have is text processing. Though each indavial has unique parten of problems.

Sounds like your Daughter purely has a sequencing problem, have acutaly talked to the Psychologist that assesd her & people from the support groups, i.e. Dyslexia Scotland.

My obscured spelling comes from the Fact that I know more words than I can read and spell. I unfortuntely still strugle sometime with reading.

31

lia,

02/06/2007 16:14:54

#30 sorry Eve the only idiot here is you, I no more about Dyslexia then you will ever no.
My daughter is Dyslexic, but she has managed to gain her qualifications and is a teaching assistant.

I dont care who your local education authoirty is ran by, bad education is just bad education.

you make no effort to try and get the right words, for example when you wrote "eejit" you knew that was wrong. Have you never heard of spell check it is a dyslexics best friend.

32

James Annand,

02/06/2007 16:18:01

eejit is a word used up here. Not by me, but by many.


What makes you think that Eve is the same age as your daughter? Could it be that she is the same age as you? It's not that long ago that people were put in mental asylums for being 'slow'. So kindly shut your yap.


Oh, and you spelled 'know' wrong twice. Back to school for lia?

33

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 16:36:57

#35. lia: oohhh, wow, I've got a degree too!!!! with hons (expecting my grading soon)

"spell check it is a dyslexics best friend" ha ha ha, I've got texthelp (Read & Write) BUT it hates my obscured spelling. Speach reconision works well, though.

If I'm no dyslexic, then why do I have a formal report written by a Charted Eduational Psychlogist stating that I have Dyslexia status which was acpeted by the uni I addented.
Please Explain!!!!

34

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 17:40:47

37 am2,
#32 Brisbane Scot

Ever since you said, “Any English people who would care to come live in Scotland would be made most welcome providing they become Scottish Citizens after a qualifying period” (indicating that in your opinion English people in an independent Scotland who wanted to stay British should not be made welcome) and then said to me, “You have got to be the dirtiest low life traitor to his people since 1707”, your form of nationalism has been clear. On that basis, your lack of interest in my postings is reciprocated.

Yet AGAIN you miss the point. Post independence BRITAIN WILL CEASE TO BE, IT WILL HAVE DECEASED, NO BRITAIN = NO BRITTISH

35

Maisie,

02/06/2007 17:54:18

38. Eve

Lia is an antagonistic gormless fool, don't let her get to you Eve. Just ignore her winding you up.

36

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 17:58:07

43 AM2,
Semantics my eye, No Britain=No Brittish, Unless ofcourse you see some form Palestinian thing with disposessed Britains.

37

Hmm ...,

02/06/2007 18:05:51

#s 42, 43 & 45 - Post-independence, does that mean that the English will live again in England, or if Wales does not go its own way, in the UK Peninsula?

38

Hmm ...,

02/06/2007 18:06:37

That's the peninsula attached to Scotland by its southern border.

39

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 18:19:59

46, 47 am2 alias mmmm

England and Wales were one political entity before 1603, and therefore before 1707. the title the United Kingdom of Great Britain came into effect in 1707 as did the Union Flag. ONCE SCOTLAND OR ENGLAND CECEEDS FROM THE UNION, BRITAIN WILL BE NO MORE

40

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 18:33:28

48 AM2,
45 pehman

Now you're just deflecting. The nomenclature is unimportant. By "English people in an independent Scotland who wanted to stay British" I meant "English people in an independent Scotland who wanted to retain a nationality associated with the remainder of what had been the United Kingdom (the so-called 'rump UK')."

I take it thats an apology, ok I accept.

But the Brittish people can call themselves what they like, however as D Cameron say's in the speach you posted he's English and proud of it, so should all English people be and so few of them think their Brittish now, that I cannot see them calling themselves Brittish once Scotland or England has gained its independence

41

pehman,

sussex 02/06/2007 18:48:06

51 am2,

guess you lost then

42

howyoudoingboy,

hangover lane 02/06/2007 18:50:07

@40 symbian

please do not use wikipedia to reference as the following explains use your outside head not all well written articles are true,valid or indeed worthy
of a moment's attention as a lot of nationalist discourse reveals


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About#Using_Wikipe...

Users should be aware that not all articles are of encyclopedic quality from the start, and may contain false or debatable information
Studies suggest that Wikipedia is broadly reliable

articles and subject areas sometimes suffer from significant omissions, and whilst misinformation and vandalism are usually corrected quickly, this does not always happen

43

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 19:20:20

#44. Maisie: Aye, it does come across that way. Think Lia borried now.

Just arguing with me cause my political view is diffrent.

Insadently remides me of an ex-flate who Hated me, because I wouldn't allow her to be always right. Clinged on to diffrence and faild to see the simalarities she did, too blind (by the disagreement) too see what I agreed with.

44

lia,

02/06/2007 19:27:21

#38 Well Eve i had no idea we where playing the "look at my degree" game, so if we are here goes, my eldest daughter has 5 degrees with honours and is a Solicitor with a prestigous firm, my youngest is halfway through her degree and is a qualified teaching assistant. But unlike Scottish students she is putting herself through university and she works damm hard to do it.

#44 I think you'll find i have more brains in my little finger then you and Eve put together. You will also find that i am not gormless, but infact sick and tired of people saying they are dsylexic when infact they just cant spell to save their life. It always suprises me how stupid people actually are, when they cant retaliate with out your brand of name calling, you really no how to lower the tone of a conversation.

45

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02/06/2007 19:37:19
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46

Maisie,

02/06/2007 19:39:44

Oh and PS, your EVERY post screams out GORMLESS, you cant deny a visible truth Lia!

47

lia,

02/06/2007 19:41:44

#56 STOP ATTACKING MY CHILD, YOU HAVE NEVER MET HER AND HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH ME SO GROW UP YOU SICKING, HATEING, VILE LITTLE SEA SLUG.

SEE I CAN NAME CALL TO......

48

lia,

02/06/2007 19:46:04

#56 AS STATED ABOVE MY ELDEST DAUGHTER IS A SOLICITOR AND DO NOT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE I WOULD NOT HAVE YOU DONE FOR DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER AND MANY OTHER THINGS, YOU ALWAYS ATTACK PEOPLE FOR THERE OPINION, BUT WHEN OTHERS DO IT TO YOU, YOU NAME CALL AND ARE OBSCENE!!!!!!!

49

James Annand,

02/06/2007 19:47:28

Sorry, I went out for dinner.


AM2, I would rather not get drawn into explaining other people's posts again. I've just read his post, and apart from the 'anglos' labels, I see little you can complain about. In the very recent past, your party were very much about London. There isn't really a word for that, so it's easier to say "English" or "Anglo". Even more recently Labour started to go down the route of London first last and always.

That's not what I think a country should be about.

I believe that Scotland and England are both nations caught up in an alliance suitable for the political climate of 300 years ago. We grew together and were both successful. That doesn't mean that the agreement is working today.

I think these arguments amongst the two nations are going to get much worse. I'd rather leave the union and be very close friends with the English than stay in bed together arguing over the covers.

50

Maisie,

02/06/2007 19:47:56

I have read her though, she posts on here, so if you can see it in your tiny heart to stop being smug and attacking someone who has dyslexia, then I may see fit to stop even speaking to you, you vile sorry excuse of a pathetic slug.

51

Maisie,

02/06/2007 19:49:20

Ps, before I leave, I see your capital letters show you can't take what you can give out to others lia.

52

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 19:49:31

#55. lia: You are truely a talented person with taledent children.

Wow, You know better than a chartered Education Psychologiist that work with the "The Dyslexia Institute" which is now knowen as Dyslexia Action http://www.dyslexiaaction.org.uk/Page.aspx?PageId=67

I mention my Degree as you seem to suggest that I'm not capable and have limited quailfications. I felt like you were treating me the way my School did when they told me I couldn't do my Higher because I was Dyselxic. So I had to take the long route to do my degree.

Your NOT very PC are you, Many students in Scotland work while studying. You realy come agross plain werid: Your daughter is allowed to be dyslexic BUT anyone who doesn't share the same parttens in weaknesses and strenghts is not dyslexic. Please do your self a favour and do some studying round the subject before you call your self an Eduactional Psychologist.

53

lia,

02/06/2007 19:49:59

#60 i dont agree with it, but i do understand you point about leaving the union and staying close friends with england.

54

lia,

02/06/2007 19:51:24

#63 Eve you are missing my point, Scottish students get to go to university for free. I am saying my daughter is working to pay her fees

55

James Annand,

02/06/2007 19:52:49

Hey lia.

I've heard how your daughter 'paid her way'.

If you can't be civil, don't expect others to be.

Can someone IP ban her or something? She really makes me sick.

56

drew 33,

edinburgh 02/06/2007 19:53:26

16
"while claiming to "be prudent"." no doubt about his prudence he likes to spend our money and save his own.
Nice flat he bought near Holyrood a few years ago. Handy that it was never advertised on the open market by the American investment bank who owned it. Paid a fair price, at least by his own "prudent" standards. Certainly a lot more prudent than when he sold our gold reserves off at half price.

57

Maisie,

02/06/2007 19:57:47

66. James Annand

I am sorry James, you entered into a bitch fest and your comment was rational and logicall at post number 60 as well, please excuse me, I really couldnt help myself, I cant stand arrogant people who pick on others.

I agree with your post at 60, I too believe things will get worse before they get better, I also think it is inevitable and it's something we have to go through.

58

yonloonstott,

Jist molachin aroon 02/06/2007 19:59:57

hopefully Browns visit to Scotland will make even more people dislike the bam! he has soled his sole to satan and to hell with him! Come on the SNP!
# 65 Students in Scotland do NOT get free education WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK YI BAM! once we earn a certain amount we have to give it back per week!

59

lia,

02/06/2007 20:00:32

#66 so people can be vile to me but i cant me vile to them, thats great logic that.

You make me SICK!!!!!!!

I AM SICK OF MANY SCOTTISH PEOPLE RIPPING OF HARDWORKING ENGLISH PEOPLE THE SOONER WE GET RID OF SCOTLAND THE BETTER ENGLAND WILL BE, IF I COULD PULL OUT A SAW AND CUT SCOTLAND ADRIFT IN TO THE SEA I WOULD BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING YOU WAY AND I AM SICK OF IT.

60

lia,

02/06/2007 20:02:18

#69 THAT IS A STUDENT LOAN, NOT THE FEE FOR ATTENDING THE UNIVERSITY

61

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:04:36

lia, hehehe, true colours shining through, you just can't hide your ignorance or stupidity can you, at least you tried though, not very well but you tried...

62

James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:06:39

Go back to your first post here lia. You started this all.


You bully, you sneer, you insult, you bitch.

What makes you think you have the moral superiority to tell someone if they have dyslexia? You seem like an angry woman to me, and I'm glad that your daughter seems to be well adjusted. I certainly hope any other children you have had, or are going to have are as lucky.

63

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 20:07:04

#65. lia: No you don't get it. We've got a lump sum of about £2,200 to pay before April. And we've got living expences cause our loans aren't enough to live on alone.

NOT really US students in Scotlands Fault, That the English Students need to pay through the roof prices. We still work hard. Your clearly in no place to judge, you deminstrate little understandation for the Scottish eduation system.

Here in Scotland Dyslexic students can aply for a Disabled Students Allowes, which give grants for equipment and paper, Ink, Photocopying & an hour a week tutering. But may be you don't get anything like that in England!!!

64

James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:10:13

By the way, thanks Maisie. I was really happy with my metaphor at the end, but it's pretty much forgotten. Nothing I hate worse than bullying. Especially when it is by people that should know better.

Eve, I hope you're not talking any of what the 'great one' is saying to heart. She is obviously an angry person with nobody in her immediate vicinity to beat up on.

65

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 20:14:10

#71. lia: Aye Student Loans (Mine is well over £14,000, cause I went to college 1st) and Graduates endowment fee, which I know need to pay before April, Unless the SNP can convice the majourity of MSPs to vote to drop it before hand.

66

lia,

02/06/2007 20:14:48

75. The truth hurts.

67

lia,

02/06/2007 20:17:29

#73 I THINK YOU WILL FIND I AM THE ONE BEING BULLIED HERE,
#

68

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:20:03

Your metaphor was indeed a good one, I liked it as it was familiar to me on the occasions me and my other half have had tiffs that involved fighting over the covers, I have also been know to put a barrier of pillows down the centre of the bed.. but that would be Hadrians wall I suppose lol

I am so excited to see what lies ahead for us in Scotland in the time up until the general election, I hope we Scots can realise a sense of identity and pride in that time that will enable us to just be done with it and go for independence once and for all.

69

James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:20:10

Hurts like your palm when you kiss your kids?


I fail to see how you are able to spot whether or not someone has dyslexia. Explain it please.

70

yonloonstott,

Jist molachin aroon 02/06/2007 20:24:08

# 70 GET A GRIP EVER HEARD OF THE PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC ? hard working ,the further South the easier the Job. I am a Student at RGU Grays School of Art in my (HONS), studying painting, the last three summers i have worked real hard to manage to be able to study at University which is largely a Middle Class environment, not established for a former factory labourer like myself, you would not get out your bed to do some of the jobs we have to end up doing in the north of Scotland.

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Kenya,

02/06/2007 20:27:17

From what i can see you three are bulling lia. A 3 on one attack is hardly fair and uncalled for.

72

Angus Lindsay,

Xiang Gang 02/06/2007 20:27:25

#55. lia
Childish, your playing of the "my [non-dyslexic] eldest daughter has 5 degrees with honours" or whatever ... "and is a Solicitor with a prestigous [sic] firm ..." What has that statement to do with the topic?

You purport to be an authority on dyslexia, purely because your younger daughter is dyslexic. From what you assert it is clear that your knowledge of the subject is limited. And you are quick to slam the spelling of others while committing basic errors in your haste to throw bricks and score points. Your bellicose retorts to Eve (leave her alone) and Maisie reek of the metaphorical fishwife. (Apologies to real fishwives everywhere.)

May I suggest you read Specific Learning Difficulties (Dyslexia) by Peter D. Pumfrey and Rea Reason (published by Routledge -originally published by NFER-NELSON in 1991). It's an authoritative inquiry. A dedicated read of this will help fill in the obvious gaps in your knowledge.

Oh, and by the way, my younger daughter is dyslexic, and has a degree ... So what?

73

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:27:46

82. yonloonstott

Your post is too definative and correct to enable that woman to answer I am afraid. goodness knows why she haunts us all on these boards and insults people like Eve wantonly.. by the way, use big words and she will be lost.......

74

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 20:29:03

#75. James Annand: Nae bover, These days, I have a very high understandation of Dyslexia. Cause I've had totaly braw support at Uni and feel truely empowered by my experences. I no longer belive what would be Psychologists say, Lia isn't quailfyed. I can tell.

It is anoying though, I've met many people who questen my dyslexia (or wither it exists). I can't understand why they wont belive me.

Insadently one of the nice people I've met and was open mined about my Dyslexia was a guy form Teach Scotland. That suprised me as I always thought they'd tell me it would be too difficult for me & permently close that career option.

75

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:30:00

85. Kenya

Today is a climax from the woman, she is insulting, childish and today vicously laid into someone with dyslexia, she gives it out DAILY but cant take it back.

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James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:31:35

To recap, she insults a poster with no provocation telling her that she is stupid and worthless.

People defend her. She gets more hysterical, and more insulting.

If she was reasonable to begin with, and didn't insult people for no good cause, she wouldn't be attacked.

If you see a kid getting bullied do you think "Better not get involved as it would be 2 on 1. That's not fair or called for" or would you step in to help?

77

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:32:07

88. Eve

Although different, my brother was profoundly deaf, he was not diagnosed until age 10, his teacher and everyone around him labled him 'thick' its just not on for anyone to attack people for a disability

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James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:33:29

91 was to kenya 85

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Kenya,

02/06/2007 20:40:02

i have read this topic and have not found anything but her point of view, she has not called anyone worthless, but you lot have called her names and insulted her children, stop picking on her and stay on topic

80

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:43:08

95. Symbian

I will shut the phuck up as you suggest as the troll is away it seems.

81

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:47:00

101. Symbian

I phuking care, I was 2 posts off 100!

82

Kenya,

02/06/2007 20:49:03

so let me get this right, you all get to make fun of her and call her names, then blame her. you make me laugh.

you are all trolls you are always on here going on and on, so if she is one you lot are one to.

83

howyoudoingboy,

out of it at the moment 02/06/2007 20:51:51

#symbian98

be back raring to go tomorrow

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James Annand,

02/06/2007 20:52:46

I've kept quiet about this for some time, kenya. She has been attacking her for a while. If it was just any old insult, I probably wouldn't care. If it is insulting someone's disability, that infuriates me....pretty sure it's illegal too, so maybe she should take her own advice in #59.

85

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 20:53:42

#96. Symbian: If it was about Daphne Brown, may be we'd all have stuck too the storey for a wee bit longer instead of aruging, (form comment 5 onwads were few comments are about the story).

Gorden Brown is a clown, he wraps hin self in the Union Jack.

86

Maisie,

02/06/2007 20:57:09

103. Kenya

I am rarely on here of late, I was on during the elections but am scarce since, cannot say I saw your name then, could you be lia I wonder, signed in with another name?

87

Kenya,

02/06/2007 21:00:07

again i have been through this topic and has not insulted anyones disability, the only thing she said was that she didnt think Eve was dyslexic. That is up to her and is her opinion, then you all jumped on here and i believe maisie was the first person to be personal and insulting, i am sorry but those are the facts.

I think you are picking on her because she obviously has strong views on things, so you think she makes and easy target for you.

88

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:01:27

109. Symbian

Have you been partaking of an illicit substance this evening?? You are becoming more mellow by the post. I think I like you lol

89

James Annand,

02/06/2007 21:06:48

If I can get along with AM2, I can get on with just about everyone.

You obviously don't pay much attention. This has been going on for a while. I am prepared to debate with her on other subjects, but when she constantly insults one contributor, I get angry. Especially when she picks on her disability.

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Kenya,

02/06/2007 21:08:34

because someone defends someone else then they are the same person. right great logic.

91

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:09:34

114. Symbian

About the arse Broon, someone posted a link to a video off him above, I despise the man, Labour are doing themselves no favours in being so childish over this affair, they are meant to be representng all of us and are 'meant' to respect our voters opinions. not so, it seems we only have rights IF we vote for Labour, i can see them going all out to punish the Scottish people for having the audacity not to have voted Labour.

92

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:10:48

116. Symbian

Naw, your on here for a laugh Symbian, no more no less lol

93

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:14:21

115. James Annand

Like you James, i have moments when I can get along with AM2 and even Media 1 can you believe it! But at the end of the day, I am a woman and can bitch myself silly with the best of them, she cannot say what she did without consequences, we shouldnt explain ourselves to the likes of Kenya, he/she obviously hasnt been around in the time lia and maxi have been here

94

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:24:35

122. Symbian

I really do admire you, spotted your agenda in a second though lol, I doubt you take anything seriously, bet you are laid back, possibly a budhist or someone who lives the lifestyle without the religion....... you dont judge people, but take delight in poking them for a reaction...... wish more of us were like you, you make me cheer up lol

95

Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:26:09

Cant be bothered tonight AM2, am thinking of hitting bed right now, no disrespect but it is late here

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Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 21:27:24

#110. Kenya: Lia has no right to have an opinon/ voice an opinion on such a personal aspect, such as my Dyslexia.

It's not for her to comment on, I'm sick of people telling me I'm poorly eduactate, when I have a degree and doughting I'm dyslexic because my cognitive weakness don't fit there tiny wee mould.

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Maisie,

02/06/2007 21:30:53

EVE... off to bed now BUT, I seriously suspect Kenya is lia or maxi signed in under a new name..... just dont go there lol, and good on you for overcoming dyslexia and getting a degree under your belt, you dont need to explain yourself to the likes of her

Night to all

98

James Annand,

02/06/2007 21:34:18

I was just shooting the breeze till you got back. #60!

An opinion page? From the Scotsman? Saying the SNP are hopeless?

Well colour me surprised!

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Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 21:36:13

#131. Symbian: Broon acting like a wean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ACJujjwRM
This videos been doing the rounds of lately

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Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 21:39:57

#123. AM2: Either I'm sufffring form a majour word blindness moment or the format of that artcle you've link up too is far to dence to read and to make matter worse my eyes are drawen to the flashing advert.

101

Eve,

Scotland 02/06/2007 21:49:17

#135. Symbian: Aye, your right about that one!!!!!!

Night, Am in the mood for dancing.

102

Auckland Arab2,

03/06/2007 01:29:51

#135

The Scotsman will continue to lose circulation as long as it continues its current editorial stance, made up stories and tabloid headlines. It is never going to compete with the Sun or the Record so why does it insist on trying? Serious journalism has gone down the pan.