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Arson spree turns fruitmarket into 'death trap'



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Published Date:
19 July 2007
THE site of Edinburgh's old fruitmarket was today branded a "death trap" after five arson attacks in the past two weeks.
Youths are thought to be targeting the building on Chesser Avenue, which is in the process of being demolished to make way for 400 new flats.

Community leaders in the area today called for the developers working on the nine-acre site to provide better security, as fire officers warned youngsters of the dangers of entering derelict buildings.

The most recent and serious attack happened on Tuesday night, when eight fire appliances were sent to tackle a blaze.

Fountainbridge and Craiglockhart Councillor Gordon Buchan said residents were becoming increasingly worried.

He said: "The locals and I have been on for ages about getting better fencing to prevent people from walking in because the site isn't secure enough.

"People have been going in and running amok, and it's a death trap - just what needs to happen before action is taken by landowners to secure the site?"

He added: "I would like to see the site properly secured so that people can't get into it, and I would like an apology from the landowners to local residents.

"Seeing a building going up in smoke next to your house is frightening for residents, and it's not right that they have to put up with that."

Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue Service group manager Jim Fraser said the building was becoming more dangerous with every attack.

"In all cases at the fruitmarket people have got access to the derelict building and ignited something within the building," he said.

"It's a very dangerous practice for youths or children to enter a property that's derelict, because it might be in a dangerous state.

"The worrying thing about this is that there's obviously a trend here, and the more often they do it the more dangerous it becomes, because each time they do it the building gets more damaged."

The first arson attack happened on July 5 at 8pm, with the second taking place the following afternoon at 4.40pm.

Two more incidents followed those, on July 14 and 16, with the most recent occurring on Tuesday, just before 6pm.

Harry Sutherland, chairman of Hutchison and Chesser Community Council, lives near the site and says residents are frustrated by the constant problems there. Mr Sutherland said: "The problems are continuous and the biggest problem for residents is the smoke. There was thick, black smoke at the last one."

The community leader added: "People are worried that the fire is going to spread one of these days. We would like to see the site cleared as soon as possible because then there would be nothing to set fire to."

The community leader added that fly-tipping had also become a major headache since the demolition work started.

A spokeswoman for Blackrock, which owns the site, said: "Blackrock's demolition contractors, who currently have possession of the site and who are aware of the recent vandalism issues, are making every effort to address this problem and resolve recent breaches in security."

Construction of the new homes planned for the site is due to start early next year.

The full article contains 536 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 July 2007 10:19 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Paul Voltaire,

19/07/2007 11:04:36

They need a night watchman by the sound of it.
Any volunteers?
I thought not.

2

Partridge,

19/07/2007 11:20:34

Well burn it before them then..

3

alex paterson,

embra 19/07/2007 11:42:02

We have had these problems for years,But nobody wants to do anything,Get PV And his cat to step in,That will sort thrm.

4

Agent 99,

19/07/2007 11:55:38

See the pic, it looks really secure. Gate wide open, a fence that a five year old could jump over; the back's probably not even fenced.

If, as [3] states, the problem has existed for years, why doesn't the developer simply demolish the thing? An empty site will soon lose its attraction for the neds.

5

Finbarr Saunders,

19/07/2007 12:07:13

What's the problem?

If some wee ned gets badly burnt or killed in the process of torching the place - tough.

It might teach the rest of them a lesson.

But we'll, no doubt, have the obligatory front-page interview with his parents and his pramface girlfriend, explaining how he was really a popular laddie, who wouldn't hurt a fly, and how he had a promising future with some football club, and how much he loved his bairn ...

6

R,

19/07/2007 12:09:29

Why do we worry about the safety of these young idiots when it is themselves that are causing the problem. Whatever happened to "Enter at your own risk" being sufficient?

7

Oli,

19/07/2007 12:25:22

#6 - Exactly!

8

Sally Fairweather,

19/07/2007 12:42:05

Erm... five times in two weeks? So police's duty is to post a lookout. Then arrest them. Simple.

9

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 19/07/2007 13:06:25

Arson, in Edinburgh not possible. In fact not possible antwhere in Scotland as there is no such crime, I think the term should be wilful fire raising,

10

Corruption,

19/07/2007 13:14:35

So where are the police? I'd say if it's been torched so regularly the police aren't doing a very good job at cathcing the vandals. They get away cleanly 5 times - it might be your house next!

11

Blondie,

19/07/2007 13:15:42

#5 and #6 are right. They shouldn 't even be in there in the first place, so by rights, if anything happened it would be their own fault. However, in today's compensation-culture, no doubt the parents would be up in arms about poor wee Jimmy and how the nasty building site mugged him!

12

Jim Delahunt,

Carnoustie 19/07/2007 13:18:18

#8

There is no police on building sites. These places are protected by criminals.

Wouldn't surprise me if these fires were being started by kids paid by the on-site security company. Its amazing what lengths youngsters will go to for just enough money to buy a litre of cider and a ten deck.

On site fires keep these "legitimate" security firms in employment. It is amazing what a construction company will cough up to these people when hit with the scaremongering card. Watch the building equipment disappear under a spate of mysterious "thefts" when construction work commences....

13

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19/07/2007 13:21:44
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Reason: Scotsman Import, Original comment id: 799228, Article id was mapped to record!
14

Tricia,

19/07/2007 13:30:36

How would an electrified fence work for the arsonists?

15

lyinking,

oz 19/07/2007 13:34:40

#14. probably gie them a bit o' a thrill

16

hibs4thecup,

19/07/2007 14:44:04

#'s 2,3,5,6,11...well said!! demolish it, increase security..no more problems!

17

Steven R,

Leith [formerly Chesser] 19/07/2007 14:47:45

As an ex-resident of the Fruitmarket area, Eltringham Gardens, I find this story sad but no surprise.
Inspector Sandy Boyd & MSP Sarah Boyack have known about the rising youyth deliquency for over 2 years but have done little about it.
With the police hamstrung by rules imposed by "PC" MSP's / MP's I can see no end to problems in this area.
My advice is sell up and get out.

18

Goskun,

Chesser area 19/07/2007 16:02:16

#16 Well said, and in total agreement.
We know who is responsible, we know where they live. I even know that some of them are the wee brothers of the previous bunch. We even know where they get their "gear" from or buy their tins from. The police know this. It's proving it that is the problem.
Always notice a rise in local crime when the schools are on holiday. Sad but true.

19

George F,

Michigan USA 19/07/2007 16:44:29

Times have surely changed and people with it. I grew up in Hutchison Road and remember before the fruit market was built it used to be the old railway line for the cattle market. When the railway line was closed down we used to play along there. There was an old building/hut at the end of the line we used. We didn't vandalise it or try to burn it down. Part of the problem (and this is not excusing the problem here) is the kids now have no where to play. It used to be there was places where the kids could run and play, large fields and such. Those places now have houses or buildings on them. I was back in Edinburgh a few years back and was astounded at all the changes in the area. I suppose that is progress but with said progress, well there is no where for the kids to play anymore.

20

Estella,

Porty 19/07/2007 17:19:30

Sounds awful. Usually arson happens before a person gets or is trying to get planning permission to remove a building. Wonder if Tynecastle School will be next?

21

Concerned Citizen,

near by 19/07/2007 18:02:05

Tonight , the contractors Chamis are away leaving the gate open. The fencing has still got gaps.

So much for Blackrock's statement ,"Blackrock's demolition contractors, who currently have possession of the site and who are aware of the recent vandalism issues, are making every effort to address this problem and resolve recent breaches in security.", even the basic security measure of shutting the gate is a problem.

The fence around the site is inadequate for the type of site it is. Surely a company like Blackrock has the finances to afford a solid plywood barrier to go around the site.

They could also afford a sprinkler system to kept the dust down when reduce the concrete to rubble rather that the token single hose pipe they sometimes use.

The city or national authorities should be able to ensure that the owners/contractors are meeting their obligations in relation to Public Safety and Health by enforcement.

In addition parents of children should be away that this is soiled water is running from toilets on this site. They should also be warning their children about the extreme dangers of playing on this site

Piles of crushed concrete can act like scree when climbed on and could bury a young child alive.

THIS BUILDING IS UNSAFE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

Setting light to it can cause people neighbouring this site severe health problems through pollution and smoke. There is the possibility of the presence of asbestos on this site.

22

George F,

Michigan USA 19/07/2007 18:28:36

#25 Concerned Citizen, near by, the story also says the fruit market is in the process of being demolished to make way for 400 new flats. I think if I still lived there in Hutchi I'd be wondering what kind of flats. Are they going to be like the Moat House and Hutchi House type flats. Are they going to be council or private housing. Just a couple of things for you to ponder.

23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 19:59:51

Just the usual trouble at the School Holiday time,
maybe some of these toerags should be sent to Boot Camp!
And as for "BOOWHO" Gordon Buchan, what is he like? whats he paid for? Quote;(Gordon Buchan says action needs to be taken to stop vandals causing mayhem at the site)
Security lights, Security Alarm Camera, all for less than calling out a fire engine! and the good thing is they will get caught!
Or is that to simple for a Councilor?

24

KaiPie,

19/07/2007 20:01:20

Has anyone seen 'Lord' Mike Watson recently?

25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 20:06:24

I wonder how many boxes of Kleenex "BOO-HOO" goes through in a month?

26

Concerned Citizen,

near by. 19/07/2007 20:06:56

#25 There is already outline planning permission been granted for the site. We are waiting for Applecross who are the developers to apply for Full planning permission

27

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 20:09:18

#28 don't know who he is, but maybe he's DEED!
Had one of em heart attacks they are talking about 2day!

28

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 20:11:07

#30 "pie in the sky" just put the camera up meantime!

29

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 20:18:44

And at the cost it cost to send "BOO-HOO" out to visit this site and only "CRY" the lights and the camera could of been up now and you residents could off had a celebration party and money over to send the captured toerags to Boot-Camp!

30

Bauldie,

19/07/2007 20:24:54

24. Estella from Portabella - surely you're not suggesting that Tynecastle School would ever be removed from the landscape by dubious means. Perhaps the little submariner has connections at the Kremlin - he might be able to get one of his buddies from the old country to have a word in the ear of Mr Lowrie, just to point out the error of his ways and that the ambitions of Hearts are much more important than keeping a B listed building.

31

Lady Jane Grey,

19/07/2007 22:54:51

#9
Spot on a man after my own heart, very sloppy reporting.
#10 I give up , where are the police?

32

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 23:06:32

#35 just too many rascals to chase, for Mr Plods Police force!
And I missed the Arson one! never knew that B4 now.

33

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 19/07/2007 23:14:22

Forgot to ask! whats the difference between Arson and willful fire raising?
Scottish Law never ceases to amaze me, even though I'm Edinburgh Born and Bread

34

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/07/2007 23:24:07

"Councillor Gordon Buchan says action needs to be taken to stop vandals causing mayhem at the site"

The mans a genius! Wonder if hes got s the balls to actually DO something !?

Kids are immune from Law and certainly immune from any meaningful punishment that is a fact. Lack of discipline in the home, in Schools and this disgusting soft PC approach to everything is to blame.

There should be police down there doing something about this instead of 'doing' motorists turning left onto George Steet!! .. course catching real Criminals doesn't pay! Let's face it folk our Police force has been turned into a glorified Tax collection service - they no longer care about the intersts of the public only the bucks they can extort! Welcome to 'Labourland' !!!

I hope the new lot can sort out the years of damage Labour has done.

35

Lady Jane Grey,

20/07/2007 00:32:48

37.
The difference is one of Scots law Vs English law.

Arson is the Deliberate causence of fire to damage property and or endanger life.

Whereas willfull fire raising is the setting of a fire with the intent to distract a warrented officer or damage property.

The English version is a catch me all clause, in that you will be charged with arson whether or not lives are endangered.

Under Scottish law you will face two or possibly three charges ;
1 Willfull fire raising.(for starting the fire )
2 Culpable Homocide (if someone dies as a consequece)
3 Material damage to property

The part about "distracting a warrented officer " speaks for it's
self, has it's roots in the clearances

36

Isabel,

20/07/2007 17:14:30

#5, #6 & #7

I totally agree.

These little toerags are well aware of what they are doing. If they are hurt as a result of their actions, that's just tough. They have no business being there in the first place. It' time their parents started worrying about what they are up to - that is if some of them can move off their backsides. Of course, not all parents are the same and, unfortunately, some of these kids are being led astray by the undesirable element.


 

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