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Wendy Alexander misses mark with SNP challenge



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Published Date: 08 May 2008
IT STARTED out as an easy debating point: If the Nationalists believe Scots want independence, why are they delaying the referendum until 2010?
Labour politicians had used it often enough to accuse the SNP of being scared to put its flagship policy to the test.

But last weekend, Wendy Alexander added a three-word challenge – "Bring it on" – and turned a routine jibe into a dramatic policy
U-turn.

Until that Sunday television interview, Labour was opposed to a referendum on Scotland's constitutional future. With the Tories and Liberal Democrats, Labour would have been able to block the SNP's plans for an independence vote in 2010.

But now the Scottish Labour leader's comments have turned the debate upside down. Labour is demanding an immediate referendum on independence and it's the SNP which is taking the more cautious line and wanting to wait.

Loyalist Labour MSPs praise Ms Alexander's boldness in taking the fight to the enemy and insist the ball is now in the Nationalists' court. The SNP's bluff has been called since it will have to explain why it doesn't want a referendum now. But the party has made its position clear all along – the 2010 date was in its manifesto at last year's election.

Ms Alexander's U-turn has done more damage to her own and her party's credibility than to anyone else's. Her sudden policy switch undermined the Calman commission which has just been set up – on her initiative – to look into more powers for Holyrood as an alternative to independence. She has alienated the Tories and Liberal Democrats who are also taking part in Calman, prompting one senior Conservative to complain his party had been "stabbed in the back".

She has left MPs, MSPs and activists in her own party bewildered and confused. One Labour MP says: "The general view is Wendy has probably gone mad. It undermines all we've been saying about sensible constitutional reform and it means we're following the SNP's agenda.

"If we have a referendum within the next year, Labour will probably still be doing badly, there will be a poor turnout and people will use it to vote against the Government. Unless independence is defeated by a massive majority, the SNP will be able to claim it as a boost."

Ms Alexander failed to consult colleagues or, crucially, Prime Minister Gordon Brown, before announcing the U-turn. It is said she has believed for some time in the merits of going for a referendum and there is an internal party document from last summer in which she argues the case.

But the timing of the policy switch, when Labour is still reeling from its drubbing in last week's local elections in England and Wales, has not won her many friends. One minister has been quoted complaining: "She has been pestering Brown about this for months, and he had said no. Now she has used his weekend of greatest vulnerability and weakness to press ahead."

Yesterday at Prime Minister's Question Time, Mr Brown failed to back Ms Alexander's line, saying further decisions would be made after reviewing the progress of the Calman commission.

Another Labour MP says calling the SNP's bluff by backing a referendum is a good idea, but that Ms Alexander should have done it earlier.

He says: "What she should have done was announce this when she became leader." But a senior Labour figure says an early referendum, with little time to mount a proper, planned campaign, would be playing right into the Nationalists' hands.

"This is the SNP's raison d'etre," he says. "Their entire life has been geared towards this moment. How many people in the other parties have even thought about campaigning for a No vote in a referendum on independence?"

The wording on the referendum ballot paper will be a key issue. The SNP's White Paper setting out the options for the future includes the proposed question for a Yes/No referendum, asking voters to back the Scottish Government in negotiating with the UK Government for Scotland to become an independent state. But Alex Salmond has offered – as far back as last year's election campaign – to hold a multi-option referendum so the pro-Union parties could put forward a proposal for more powers for Holyrood, which would be offered to voters alongside independence and the status quo.

He caused controversy earlier this year when he said a multi-option referendum could use a system of preference voting, where individuals ranked the options in order of preference – for example, 1 for independence, 2 for more powers, 3 for the status quo. Opposition politicians claimed such a system could mean Scotland being taken out of the Union without majority backing.

Their answer is that a multi-option referendum should consist of two questions – one to establish whether people want any change, the second to decide whether that should be more devolution or independence. Ms Alexander has said she wants a Yes/No referendum, but has not detailed her preferred wording.

However, former minister Malcolm Chisholm, MSP for Edinburgh North and Leith, has argued independence means different things to different people, and therefore the referendum should not ask voters whether they want independence, but whether they want to stay in the UK.

Ms Alexander said Labour would consider bringing forward its own Bill for a referendum, but the party now seems to have concluded such a move would not be allowed by the rules since a government Bill on the same issue is already planned for this session.

The SNP is not going to change its position, so Ms Alexander is left powerless. She is back to making debating points – but when it comes to the referendum Bill, she has committed Labour to back the Nationalists.





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1

AJ Fife,

08/05/2008 11:07:08
Even the ultra unionist Scotsman can't put a positive spin on wee wendy's latest disaster!!

You gotta laugh!:D
2

alanh,

ek 08/05/2008 11:18:45
brian wilson was on the box last night saying that the scottish govt CANNOT decide on a referendum cos that is not a devolved power.So maggie broon would have to give it govt time at westmonster
Dishonest wendy has even now admitted that it would take at least 18 months to set it up anyway.
So nu liebor have a few more years to make the siotuation worse.
Looking forward to fmq today. Wonder what dishonest wendy will run on?
Will it be that only a referendum NOW will help all those vulnerable 2 year olds and sick puppies?
3

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/05/2008 11:37:04
Q: How do you bewilder an SNP supporter?

A: Ask it when it wants a referendum.
4

Danny Mather,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 11:56:41
One Labour MP says: "The general view is Wendy has probably gone mad."

LOL

FMQs starting now on holyrood.tv, should be good. I wonder what tactical masterstroke Wendy will come up with now. Perhaps not asking any questions.
5

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/05/2008 12:58:10
Wendy has blown it with her mouth.
6

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 08/05/2008 13:00:49
#3 2010
7

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 08/05/2008 13:00:49
FMQs was entertaining but even more than usual. Wendy slapped down smartly by Alex Salmond and given a severe wigging by Annabel and a puzzled slap on the wrist from Nicol.

So when she fails to present a bill for a referendum and the SNP do, if she lasts that long, what will be her next great wheeze? Abstention? That would show them!
8

abracadabra,

Holyrood 08/05/2008 13:02:08
This woman is an embarassment to Labour and the whole of Scotland.
How in the name of common sense did the Scottish Labour Party elect her as their leader.
9

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 13:14:05
You know, I'm convinced that the labour party are slowly going insane.

For Wendy to say something like that is akin to the leader of ASH suddenly taking up smoking Cuban cigars or Richard Brunstrom tying a truck to a gatso using a length of chain and then driving away.

It just doesn't make sense.

Even given the back drop of labour NEVER making sense, it still doesn't make sense.

For those of you who are too young to remember, it was against this kind of backdrop of labour indecision and incompetence that Maggie Thatcher made her "Lady's not for Turning" speech. ...something which labour have taken literally ever since, until now it seems.
10

Ah Bristo,

08/05/2008 13:32:52
#5 That's a very disturbing image you conjure up there ;-)
11

Tynietiger,

08/05/2008 13:59:40
It make further mockery of the Calman Commission set up at taxpayers expense but won't consider the option of independence which is supported by 41% in latest poll.
12

farrell1967,

Glasgow 08/05/2008 14:21:17
I think Brian Wilson will find he is wrong with regards the Scottish referendum being 'ultra vires' outwith the powers of the Scottish Parliament.

Holding a referendum is but a giant poll. It does not automatically create an indepedent Scotland - we would need legislation at Westminster to achieve this.

The referendum in itself however is not out with the powers of the parliament.
13

Boggle fey the Bog,

08/05/2008 15:35:24
12 farrell1967,Glasgow 08/05/2008 14:21:17

Anything that Brian Wilson says is wrong, the man is a career Onionist, and certainly no Socialist, but a Nu Labour/Owld Torie chancer of the 1st order.

That the Scottish Government can pass an act for a referendum on the future governance of Scotland, is beyond legal doubt, as only the presiding officer can determine what is within the remit of the Scottish Parliament, and not retired Westminster Lackeys like him.

A former member of the SNP, he jumped ship in the 70's to join the Labour Party (perhaps as part of the 'entryism' that was going on at that time from certain vested interests). He was head of Labours 'No' campaign on devolution. An anti-devolutionist and anti - Independence, he is a director of the following companies:

AMEC Nuclear Holdings.
AFC Energy
Celtic plc
and Chair of the following organisations
Airtricity formerly Eirtricity(now owned by Scottish and Southern)
Flying Matters ( A pro Aviation Lobby Group)

Brian Wilson is quoted as saying
"Unless teleportation becomes viable in the next few years there is no alternative for them (Kenyan farmers) to get their fresh produce to market in time" referring to the amount of goods that are airlifted to UK shops from abroad, and adding to Global climate change.

A really caring person?

14

steve 1511,

aberdeen 08/05/2008 15:49:40
the labour party of scotland ,is led by wendy the daftie an embarressment to all scotland
15

Mikey,

08/05/2008 16:38:12
Q. How do you bewilder Rulesnotrulers?
A. Just talk sense....
16

pehman,

sussex 08/05/2008 16:51:22
Oh dearie me wendy, it looks like the general election campaign will have to take place in the same year as the referendum after all.

Especially as you've now committed slab to backing it

And when calman reports back saying just what powers he wants to return to w/minster,YOU get to go on the telly and tell everyone why.

Next Question wendy, do you want to do this before cameron takes over or after, while browns in the process of getting kicked out of the labour party



17

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 08/05/2008 16:54:32
Acid test. If she were an electrician would you let her rewire your house?!
18

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 17:16:40
Watched FMQs, if Wendy has the best brain in the Labour group of MSPs what is the worst one like.
19

George Laird,

Glasgow 08/05/2008 17:39:09
Dear All

It should be remembered that Wendy Alexander, the guilty leader of New Labour in Scotland is just a fool.

But as a fool she has her uses like deflecting attention away from Labour's worst defeat in 40 years.

Everyone fell for her trick to take the spotlight off the question of when is Gordon Brown going to resign.

This was a made up story and so many went along with it because they thought they smelled blood, nothing has changed, Alexander was seen as an idiot pre gaff and Alexander is still seen as an idiot post gaff.

Nothing has changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

20

gus1940,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 18:12:43
For months Bendy has been attacking the SNP Goverment for not fulfilling its manifesto promises - now she attacks them for doing just that with a referendum in 2010.

Such admirable consistency.
21

donald,

glasgow 09/05/2008 05:01:28
Q. How do you bewilder a Labour supporter?
A. Ask them to describe Socialism.
22

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/05/2008 09:02:53
#3 It's sad that your debating position has now been reduced to simply repeating lies over and over. SNP supporters want a referendum when they've ALWAYS wanted one - in 2010. It's right there in the SNP election manifesto for everyone to see. The SNP's position hasn't changed one iota in the last year, it's Labour who are doing backflips.
23

Fairfax,

09/05/2008 12:12:58
Rev. S. Campbell (22): "SNP supporters want a referendum when they've ALWAYS wanted one - in 2010."

Agreed. The whole point of Alexander's gamble was clearly to play on this, and there will be many more humorous digs: "It's Time -- almost!", "It's Time -- oh sorry, it's not". Much as I dislike Labour, her ploy is rational, albeit desperate.

24

Tris,

Dundee 09/05/2008 22:58:47
#8.... coz they don't have anyone else?
25

Tris,

09/05/2008 23:09:24

~12 That's my understanding too. If parliament votes for a referendum, and puts aside funds to stage it; that is parliament's business.

The outcome of the referendum would not be legally binding on the London government, which is charged with constitutional affairs, but as Annabel Goldie pointed out, it would be a brave prime minister that disregarded the wishes of the electorate expressed in the referendum, whatever they were.
26

Sanny,

10/05/2008 00:54:02
If Westminster defied the will of the Scottish people then they would be answerable to the Council of Europe and the UN The latters charter guarantees the "Right of Self Determination of a Nation.
27

John PM,

Edinburgh 11/05/2008 11:09:30
Former Labour Minister Brian Wilson said: (STV, Politics Now, 27th March) "To be honest I would rather have a referendum than this sort of incremental nonsense of fiddling about with powers."

 

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