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Reality looms after SNP's honeymoon



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The easy promises from the Nationalists' 2007 manifesto have been fulfilled, writes Scottish Political Editor Ian Swanson – but now comes the hard part.
WOBBLY Wednesday, Labour called it – the day last week when three of the Scottish Government's flagship policies came under serious fire at the same time.

Promises to cut class sizes were called into question when education directors produced figu
res showing £360 million would have to be spent for new classrooms plus £62m a year for extra teachers – double the price quoted by the Government.

Plans for a centrally set local income tax to replace the council tax were thrown into doubt when law experts warned the move could breach European law.

And the proposed Scottish Futures Trust – the SNP's answer to controversial private finance initiatives – also suffered a mauling from the opposition.

Labour branded the following day Threadbare Thursday when, at First Minister's Questions, Alex Salmond failed to put a price tag or timescale on the pledge to cut class sizes. Some commentators proclaimed the SNP's year-long honeymoon was over.

But it may be too early to expect Mr Salmond and his colleagues to wipe the smiles off their faces.

The SNP undoubtedly has to grapple with some of the more difficult policies it promised in last year's election manifesto. It has fulfilled the easy pledges – abolishing tolls on the Forth Road Bridge, scrapping the graduate endowment fee and beginning the phasing out of prescription charges.

The promises to cut class sizes, abolish council tax and replace PFI were always going to be more difficult.

But the Nationalists are still well ahead in the polls and there is little sign of the public mood turning against them.

They can turn the oil price crisis to their advantage by arguing Scotland's case for a share of the growing revenues, and although Labour leader Wendy Alexander put in a notably improved performance at First Minister's Questions last week – pressing repeatedly for a straight answer to a simple question on the cost and timing of cutting class sizes – Labour still has to up its game.

The Nationalists insist their policies are on course. They say the Scottish Futures Trust will be established over the summer, that local income tax is popular with the public if not MSPs, and that there will be steady progress in bringing class sizes down. Despite the flaws and shortcomings, it will not be easy for the opposition to make its case in some of these areas.

There is widespread scepticism, if not hostility, towards PFI as a way of financing public projects. It is seen as a system that has allowed private companies to make massive killings out of building and running schools, hospitals and prisons, while taxpayers are left to meet inflated bills for decades.

The Scottish Futures Trust ran into trouble when it became clear the original idea of raising investment cash by issuing bonds was not within the Scottish Government's power. Critics say the other part of the SFT, the "non-profit distributing" model of an arms-length company, is little different from a PFI.

But the complexity and confusion of the issue works in the SNP's favour. Most people will not inquire too closely into the technical financial arrangements.

The legality or otherwise of a local income tax set by central government at the same level for all councils may be a good debating point.

The SNP points out that the Scottish Socialist Party's proposal for a centrally set Scottish service tax in the last parliament was ruled competent.

But the real hurdles facing the new tax are the lack of a parliamentary majority and Westminster's refusal to hand over £400m which would be saved from council tax benefits. The SNP will make the most of the row over that £400m as another opportunity to prove it is "standing up for Scotland" against the UK Government.

Class sizes may be more straightforward – parents, teachers and pupils will see the reality on the ground. But Labour has questioned whether smaller classes should be the top educational priority, so making too much fuss about it now may not be entirely convincing.

NEVERTHELESS, council funding shortages – including the delay in Edinburgh's school building programme – and cuts like the closure of sports centre crèches could yet rebound on the Government.

Ministers repeatedly refer to the "historic" concordat with local authorities and seek to lay the blame for cuts at their door. One SNP source sees this as the weak point for the Government.

"We are riding high in the opinion polls at the moment. But the concordat between the Government and the councils is beginning to unravel a bit on the issue of class sizes," says the source.

"Some local authority people are beginning to say this historic concordat is not such a good deal for local government as it was made out to be."

Mr Salmond and his colleagues have managed to stay in the voters' good books for more than a year, but they know that cannot last for ever.

An SNP insider admits Prime Minister Gordon Brown is unwittingly helping the Nationalists by deflecting attention from Holyrood.

"People are looking at Gordon Brown's problems and what's happening to oil prices, the 10p tax fiasco and so on. None of these issues is touching the Scottish Government," the insider says.

"If Gordon Brown was coasting along without any of these issues, there might be greater scrutiny of the Scottish Government. But at the moment all the scrutiny is being distracted."





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1

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England 05/06/2008 11:28:14
The Scotsman - Liebours Mouthpiece.

If Alex Salmond had the money - £400m - that we, the English, take from the Oil he could pretty much deliver on all his campaign promises.

That Liebour hold the purse strings is not his fault, nor is it your, The Scotsman's, job to berate him for trying to do his best for YOUR COUNTRY!

Yes YOU, Editor, Reporters et al at the Scotsman. You are Scottish too I presume?
2

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 11:37:42
Wobbly Wendy should be a problem that's exercising the minds of Labour. The real problem for Labour is that they have not presented their ideas to the electorate, even after several relaunches. What do Labour stand for, other than opposing everything the SNP does?
3

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 11:46:50
Incidentally, when was the last poll?
4

Listening,

05/06/2008 11:53:05
SNP are on their way out ....woooohooooo!!!!!!!

I pointed this out the day they were elected. Easy politics are almost over and they can't even get the easy bit right. How the hell are they going to manage the difficult politics to come.

GOODBYE SNP, this is the begining of the end.
5

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 12:01:34
4

Listening - As n Englishman just observing from the side-line I can pretty much assure you that you will eat your final sentence come election time
6

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 05/06/2008 12:06:00
#1 Pathetic!

The scientific way to test a theory is to try to show that it will not work. That is what the press and opposition are supposed to do if they are truly interested in the proper governance of the country. Attack is the best defence when one's back is to the wall. That is why the SNP are rattling around like a loose cannon trying to divert attention when their theories are questioned.

7

McMadman,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 12:07:00
Another nat bashing story. Not a single story for example today about the BBC's programme on oil last night. Every story run in connection with the Government is negative and whilst all Governments are rightly open to criticism and examination, it would be nice/honest even if the reportage was a tad more balanced.

One wonders if it helps having a non scot as an editor.
8

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 12:08:54
6

Fido Bendovo - How true, unfortunately it's Liebour that have put our backs against the wall, isn't it?

Or have I missed something?
9

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 12:13:30
#4 Listening

I don't know about the SNP, but it is certainly the end for Labour, I can't see many Scots voting for them after the various debacles/blunders from McLeish, McConnell, Alexander, et al.

Scotland is no longer a 'sure thing for Labour', they are going to have to come up with some good and meaningful policies and not the load of platitudes/mud-slinging we have experienced in the last while.

I am now a very ex Labour supporter and recent by-elections down South indicate that they have reached the end not only in Scotland, but in the rest of the UK as well.



10

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 12:14:07
7

McMadman - So the Ed is non-Scottish?
11

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 05/06/2008 12:32:26
#8 Neil.

Your mockery is as flawed as your dubious nationality (or perhaps you 'suffer' from dyslexia?). "Our" backs against the wall?

Fit like loon?!
12

livilion,

livingston 05/06/2008 12:34:36
10 Neal! Whit? Haudyurweesht

FYI
From the BBC Monday, 4 September 2006:
>>
The Scotsman newspaper, based in Edinburgh, has appointed a new editor.
Mike Gilson, 43, is currently the editor of The News, a local newspaper in Portsmouth run by Johnston Press. He will replace John McGurk.

Johnston Press bought The Scotsman and other titles from the Barclay brothers last year.

Mr Gilson's appointment will surprise some in the media who had seen former Herald Editor Mark Douglas-Home as a favourite for the job.

The Scotsman I edit will tackle the issues of the day, addressing the concerns of its readership and the community as a whole

Mike Gilson

He is a member of the Press Complaint Commission's code committee - having served for three years - and Johnston Press' Editorial Review Group, which advises the company board on editorial issues.

He is also chairman of the company's digital publishing working party advising on future newsroom operations in the digital age.

The News, which he has edited since 2000, is currently the Newspaper Society's Campaigning Newspaper of the Year for its efforts to win an Arctic Star medal for British veterans of the World War 2 Russian Convoys.

Previously he was editor of the Peterborough Evening Telegraph, night editor of The Western Mail in Cardiff, and news editor of the Hull Daily Mail.<<

As Scottish as Braveheart?
13

Joe,

Livingston 05/06/2008 12:37:15
Here we are a full year or so in power and the SNP
are creaking at the joints. I can see a few SNP tears at the bye elections.
14

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 12:55:19
11

Dido - My Nationality is English - Kent born and Bred. I have a love of accents and am accounted, not least by a couple of Scottish friends, as having a very passable (generic, it's true) Scottish accent.

And the phrasing of my ID here is deliberate!

I have always asked awkward and probing questions, some of which, it is true, are somewhat naive at times - but I was always told if you don't ask . . . .

And, AYE, it's A'OOR backs against the wall!

Or are you another who persists in the false belief it's just a Scottish problem . . . ?
15

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 12:58:43
1# Some of us don't even want a Scottish Parliament, never mind these jokers from the SNP. We are after all British citizens.
16

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 12:58:50
1# Some of us don't even want a Scottish Parliament, never mind these jokers from the SNP. We are after all British citizens.
17

livilion,

livingston 05/06/2008 13:05:35
#15+16 familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime
No we are not British citizens, we are subjects of Her Majesty.
18

livilion,

livingston 05/06/2008 13:11:16
13 Joe,Livingston
I'm sure you are correct about the SNP tears, and sore ribs too, when the bye-bye elections are reported for Gordon Brown and his greetin faced mob up here get their jotters.
19

Jayess,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 13:11:29
You may say it twice, but it's still not true.
Britain is merely a convenience to unite the crowns and powers of state, but the nation is still a nation.
20

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 13:11:59
15, 16, 17

Ish. I count myself an Englishman and sunbject of Her Majesty.

I will NEVER be British. As far as I can tell the only True Briton's are the Welsh and there are vague remnants in the far South-West - Cornwall really, although that Blood-Line is very dilute now . . .

And the Scot's are Gaelic / Celtic in the Majority I would think, I stand corrected if wrong!
21

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

05/06/2008 13:12:23
Subject, DOH!
22

mac1888,

Bute 05/06/2008 13:20:04
familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime? is wanting a blue peter badge!Most couples work ya numpty!! Even though u get rags like this spurting out their unionist propoganda every day,The majority of people in Scotland know the SNP are doing a great job with the resources available.
23

An Beal Bacht,

05/06/2008 13:24:32
"Ministers repeatedly refer to the "historic" concordat with local authorities and seek to lay the blame for cuts at their door. One SNP source sees this as the weak point for the Government.

"We are riding high in the opinion polls at the moment. But the concordat between the Government and the councils is beginning to unravel a bit on the issue of class sizes," says the source.

"Some local authority people are beginning to say this historic concordat is not such a good deal for local government as it was made out to be."

Mr Salmond and his colleagues have managed to stay in the voters' good books for more than a year, but they know that cannot last for ever.

An SNP insider admits Prime Minister Gordon Brown is unwittingly helping the Nationalists by deflecting attention from Holyrood.

"People are looking at Gordon Brown's problems and what's happening to oil prices, the 10p tax fiasco and so on. None of these issues is touching the Scottish Government," the insider says.

"If Gordon Brown was coasting along without any of these issues, there might be greater scrutiny of the Scottish Government. But at the moment all the scrutiny is being distracted.""

Journalism at its worst. Insiders and unnamed sources? Guff. Unionists should realize that the honeymoon will only end once independence has been delivered. The repeated attacks on the government from Westmin and the media only strengthen the resolve of the Scottish people to vote yes in the upcoming referendum.

The lies, tricks, and smears have no power anymore. If the Scottish government fail to implement some of their manifesto promises it can only be because of Westmin sabotage. So no worries - we'll sort it out after independence.

Fools.

24

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 13:36:43
This headline nearly gave me a panic attack. I thought perhaps Ms Sturgeon had run off and got married.

I am still waiting for you Nicola, luv.
25

livilion,

livingston 05/06/2008 13:37:32
20 Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

In my book Scots can be whoever chooses to make their life here and contributes positively to their community. Those born in Scotland can be proud of their literary and cultural heritage and be happy to share that with new Scots.

Linquistic and cultural heritage are important in understanding and making the nation what we now recognise it as it is sure, but hardly something to stand on the ramparts and beat our chests over.

The label 'British' in my experience is a catch-all description of those regarded by proper English folks as not quite 'one of us' due to appearance, accent or customs.

'England expects' of our Royal Navy, we have a Queen of England and future kings of England but rarely if ever it seems of Great Britain.
26

Farky,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 13:46:03
see - http://tinyurl.com/5kxo6d

Ian, Why do you even live in Scotland? You seem to hate it here!
27

Cynicaltalk,

05/06/2008 13:58:30
I see bawheid Salmond has been found out at long last then.
28

kimba,

05/06/2008 14:12:49
Wonder how many scots will move south to England if scotland ever gets independence,especially with salmond at the helm!
29

brownlie,

05/06/2008 14:19:27
27 Unable to decipher your cryptic posting, please expand and explain?

28 kimba

Afternoon, kimba,

Estimates show that 5.5 million will move to the utopia that is England!!
30

kimba,

05/06/2008 14:30:27
29. LOL, as the population of scotland is 5 million,I don't think so somehow!
31

livilion,

livingston 05/06/2008 14:33:36
28 kimba
How many Scots will like me leave england and come back to Scotland with Salmond at the helm?

How many englishfolks will come to Scotland with Cameron at the helm in Westminster?
I hear Berwick and Geordieland have made tentative enquiries already about shifting the border to return them to the fold.

I wonder if we'll have fish fingers for tea?

32

Scotsman in Dublin,

05/06/2008 14:37:39
It's true that the SNP will find times will be tough ahead. Not only do they have to run the goverment of Scotland with the might of the UK goverment and establishment trying to undermine everything they do, they have to do this without the ability to gather taxes from items produced in Scotland they also have almost the entire media establishment working against them. It will be tough, but I think they are up to the task.
33

brownlie,

05/06/2008 14:38:25
30 kimba

See, a laugh is always good for you - that's why I enjoy your postings!
34

kimba,

05/06/2008 14:47:06
31. The only ones to "ENQUIRE" about scottish nationality would be Berwick,and that's only because of the "FREEBIES", but as cameron has already stated that England will get free presciptions and university tuition,they have withdrawn their request, as for the fish fingers stuff them up your a--e!
35

Simon M,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 15:04:45
#1 If you had your way it'd be like Nazi Germany, since you've seen fit to question the nationality of anyone who dares to criticise your beloved Nats. A third of the popular vote doesn't mean we have to live in a one-party state where we are not allowed to think for ourselves.

I thought this was a thoughful opinion piece by Mr Swanson - there have been a lot of broken promises from the SNP.

36

Saruman,

05/06/2008 15:10:17
“"If Gordon Brown was coasting along without any of these issues, there might be greater scrutiny of the Scottish Government. But at the moment all the scrutiny is being distracted."”. Well done to Swanson in extracting this from an “SNP insider” who sounds like he was talking over a few beers.

The Nats have proved completely hapless in government and I’m willing to bet many of their number are privately breathing a sigh of relief that the odds seem to be stacked against poll tax 2, for legal grounds or otherwise. I personally am not surprised in the least by the failure of policy after policy from the Nats: after all, we are talking about politicians who give credibility to a separation agenda predicated on little more than oil and lots of sentiment.
37

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05/06/2008 15:18:40
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38

kimba,

05/06/2008 15:22:12
36. yeah, yeah. you posted on the other thread,take a chill pill!
39

brownlie,

05/06/2008 15:23:17
37 Saruman

Great point - it is obvious that the only natural resources available in Scotland is oil and sentiment.

If only that sentiment were sand Scotland could compete with Middle Eastern countries who have to de-salinate their water in order to eke out a poverty level existence.

Other oil-producing countries are, of course, on the same poverty level.
40

kimba,

05/06/2008 15:24:46
39. WE KNOW,SO WHAT!
41

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05/06/2008 15:26:44
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42

kimba,

05/06/2008 15:30:11
43. another moron!
43

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 15:31:54
The so what is Scotland is subsidising the UK Treasury by 6 billion pounds this financial year yet Scottish government gets lowest ever percentage increase in funding which should be the answer every time Labour moan about education or any other cuts (which were mainly due to the incompetence of the previous Edinburgh council administration).
44

brownlie,

05/06/2008 16:15:23
42 kimba

I see you are reduced to replying to your own posts - take your three tablets - the red one, the white one and then the blue one.
45

Shredder,

05/06/2008 16:16:12
#47 Traquir: the self parodying rants of you Nats remind me of the tagline for the recent file “There will be Blood” (suitably adapted: “There Will Be Greed. There Will Be Vengeance. ... and set against the backdrop of the election of Scotland’s first ever nationalist administrration of the late noughties. ...nutty or what?”
46

An Beal Bacht,

05/06/2008 16:20:34
47 Traquir, Alba 05/06/2008 15:46:56 wrote:

42 kimba - Unionist Apologist

SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME
SPINELESS SYCOPHANTIC SCOTTISH NEWSPAPERS
UNBELIEVABLE UNIONIST MEDIA BIAS
HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME

5th June 2008
Scottish Oil Reserves Will Last At least 40 Years
see - tinyurl.com/4l467q

Report from The Scotsman - NOTHING
Report from The Herald - NOTHING

Meanwhile in other media sources primarily English we
have :
Daily Mail
"North Sea oil 'will last for another half century'"
see - http://tinyurl.com/6ml3np
Daily Telegraph
"North Sea could see second oil boom due to huge unexplored reserves"
see - tinyurl.com/5rxnxd
London Times
"North Sea oil reserves could be a fifth higher"
see - tinyurl.com/4c6zp3
The Guardian
"North Sea oil 'remains untapped'"
see - tinyurl.com/6q9fjp
SNP Press Release
"Scotland won't be fooled on oil future"
see - tinyurl.com/47mgyz
London Times
"North Sea 'far from scraping bottom of oil barrel'"
see - tinyurl.com/3ggla2
Press Association
"North Sea oil 'remains untapped'"
see - tinyurl.com/4m669l
STV
"Industry leaders say North Sea oil is far from gone"
see - tinyurl.com/5ja2ck
Evening Standard London
"NORTH SEA OIL 'REMAINS UNTAPPED'"
see - tinyurl.com/5uypcr

Clearly England is very pleased to hear about another
4 decades of OIl, yet Scotland is not even allowed to
hear about. Absolutely sickening.

---------------------------------------------

I Agree - Sickening and Outrageous!
47

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 05/06/2008 16:24:26
#14 Neal.

So you can address someone properly and without sarcasm when it suits?! And I suspected that it just might be an eyesight problem! Tell me, to the uninitiated, are Kentish miners just as difficult to understand as are Fife's or Derbyshire's? And, why should you want to speak with a Scottish regional accent? Isn't a Kentish regional one good enough? Methinks your Scottish friends are either winding you up, or being kind and patronising you. I wonder why?
48

Sedov,

Scotland 05/06/2008 16:36:24
The SNP were elected on the backs of the most unpopular Labour Government in history as well as a dreadful performance from wee Jack and his ilk. The Scottish Labour Party are still suffering from this period and Wendy Alexander is not the answer and a comeback within the forseeable future is unlikely. However, the SNP are as I predicted even worse with just another run of the mill programme not that different from the other parties and with fairly mediocre politicians. What next? I have no doubt whatsoever that the SNP will be more or less finished within the next two years so Labour has a wee bit time to get its act together. PS will the SNP supporters stop blaming the press all the time. It's their party who are breaking promises not the Scotsman.
49

McMadman,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 16:36:43
# 10, Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

"McMadman - So the Ed is non-Scottish?"

Yes I beileve so. Not that this is a problem, but one wonders if he has a true understanding about the feelings of many about the independence/oil debate and at least the need for balanced reportage. Whatever your views on these two topics, most of this paper's stories have been anti independence of late and, disgracefully today, not even mentioning the fact (reported widely in england) about oil reserves having many years left.

If one were a conspiracy theorist, one might wonder if this partial reporting was a poor attempt to hide the truth from Scotland, especially on oil, much the same as in the 70's.

Well, to borrow a phrase from the Who, we "Won't Get Fooled Again." There's too much information available through the web etc; censor the press if you like but it won't work.

Saor Alba.
50

McMadman,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 16:38:53
# 13, Joe, Livingston

"Here we are a full year or so in power and the SNP
are creaking at the joints. I can see a few SNP tears at the bye elections."

The only "bye" elections will be at the next holyrood and westminster elections. "Bye" to the Union in short.
51

subrosa,

05/06/2008 16:43:12
Wasn't this last week's labour party propaganda news? Seems rather like it to me.
52

McMadman,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 16:46:09
# 35
Simon M,

" A third of the popular vote doesn't mean we have to live in a one-party state."

Liebour only got a third of the popular vote, and the remaining parties a third of the pouplar vote. On a 50% turnout. As before, of all voters eligible, Nats 1/6th, Unionists 1/3rd, don't care 1/2.

Whatever you believe in there are a lot of people to be convinced. This is far from a one party state. Face facts; there is no majority support for unionism amongst all of those eligible to vote any more than there is for the nats at the moment. Stop griping and work to get people to vote for what you believe in, like I am.

And how is it a one party state when the reportage, especially in the two "quality" scottish papers (ahem!) is so anti the government and silent on oil ?
53

brownlie,

05/06/2008 16:56:44
53 Sedov

Good for you - you appear to have the answers us unionists have been trying to find.

Would your solution involved scrapping of the Trident Replacement; withdrawal of troops from war theatres; attacks on crime and the causes of crime; education, education, education and the alleviation of child poverty.

I think these are novel ideas but you could be on a winner.
54

kimba,

05/06/2008 17:00:40
59. Your sarcasm does not become you!
55

McMadman,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 17:10:11
# 60 Kimba; yours though is only too typical of you. "Moron" comments again as well I see.

Shame; last night you made some good points, even evidenced and rationally argued points. Normal service resumed then ?
56

brownlie,

05/06/2008 17:13:17
60 kimba
Very dim lighting and soft music becomes you!!
57

lilywhite,

05/06/2008 17:23:28
#53 sedov

PS will the SNP supporters stop blaming the press all the time

Whilst the SNP are not perfect, no Government or council is.The level of critiscm over the last few weeks has been unprecedented for an administration as popular with the public and only a year in.
The press are perfectly right to highlight faults in policy but it should be balanced and preferably constructive.
The level of scaremongering only goes to highjlight that the unionists now believe that Independence is a distinct possibility in the near future. Something that even staunch Nationalists like myself would not have believed 18 months ago.
58

An Beal Bacht,

05/06/2008 17:38:03
I am amazed that there are still seemingly honest folks who think the movement towards independence is some kind of temporary aberration. It's not. There will be no end to this honeymoon - this is true love and a lifetime commitment. And our love is FREEDOM!
59

Stuntman Mike,

05/06/2008 17:55:11
#64 An Beal Bacht: short question: what movement towards independence? If you mean the election of Scotland’s first ever nationalist administration, that was largely on the basis of its non independence policies and because it was seen as a more user friendly alternative to Labour/Lib Dems than the Tories.
60

lilywhite,

05/06/2008 17:55:43
It has fulfilled the easy pledges – abolishing tolls on the Forth Road Bridge, scrapping the graduate endowment fee and beginning the phasing out of prescription charges.

If they were so easy why were they not done by lib/lab pact. I lost count of the number of times Tony Blair said whilst P.M. that under Labour the NHS was free at the point of use, well the SNP are actually delivering on that.I have family members who pay for an annual prescription and this is allready much cheaper, maybe the unionists can tell me why it is right to tax people for daring to have a longterm illness.

As I have said in a previous post the SNP have not got everything spot on, but by god they are trying a damned sight harder than the labour crooks who were mainly looking to line their own pockets
61

cataibh,

Bo'ness 05/06/2008 18:05:56
I am still waiting for the £5000.00 bill which Liebour said I would get for voting SNP. My council tax has been frozen which liebour said could not be done.Lie, Lie, thats all we get from the unionist parties.
62

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 18:33:36
Salmond and the SNP are nothing but liars - they promised they would scrap the tram project - Edinburgh is in roadwork turmoil as the project goes ahead; they promised to scrap the council tax - I am still paying it; they promised to reduce class sizes - East Lothian Council are axing teachers and enlarging classes; they promised to scrap student debt - students still have debt hung round their neck; they promised an extra 1000 police officers on the street - police numbers have dropped since they came to power. The SNP are nothing but a bunch of liars - roll on the next election.
63

brownlie,

05/06/2008 18:42:51
68

Ahem - I think you should look again at the subject of Edinburgh trams as far as the SNP are concerned!
64

Saruman,

05/06/2008 18:49:11
#69 brownlie: you and I may know the limitations of minority government, but that's not how it plays to the ordinary voter out there, as illustrated by #69. I really think it's only the unpopularity of Brown that's sustaining the Nats' ratings and he most certainly won't last for evermore...
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/06/2008 18:51:31
Do all the idiots on here harping on about broken SNP promises, not understand that all parties make promises, then carry them out over the TERM of the parliament? Things are not done overnight. The SNP are a minority (soon to be majority) government, that are working tirelessly for all the people of Scotland. Not Britain, England or anyone else but the people of Scotland.

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First Minister,

The Raj Restaurant 05/06/2008 18:52:47
Gorgie Porgie- Believe!
Are you a jambo as well as an uneducated doley?
Get Real, it was the Lab/Lib/Tory Separatists who force through the trams to try and scupper the SNP Budget, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story?
Do you work for the Britman?
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/06/2008 18:59:29
#68 Gorgie_Tony

Are you Lard Foolkes or a close relative???

You really do talk drivel.

There is help out there for your affliction.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 19:01:52
Since the snp landslide victory 10,000 scotch males have become unemployed, what has the "obese one" done about the scotch job market ?
69

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Jimmy the Pie,

05/06/2008 19:25:43
#74 The answer

The Rt Hon Alex Salmond is the ONLY party leader fighting for Scotland.
All the others have their masters in London to obey (remember Wee Joke???)

Why are you frightened to see Scotland prosper as an independent country.

You make me want to vomit -


You've no self respect and no dignity.

Utterly pathetic.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 19:32:04
#76,
so what about those 10,000 scotch males without jobs , since the "obese one" won his landslide victory, whilst in the same period of time 234,000 males in England became employed?

I'm sure those 10,000 scotch males want to vomit since the landslide victory of the snp.
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kimba,

05/06/2008 19:59:14
75. Funny,but slightly slanderous!
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 05/06/2008 20:02:47
A highly populat SNP government delivers more in one year than the labour and their Liberal partners delivered in eight years.Of course the hard part is coming since the Scottish government are dependent on London deciding how much of Scotland's own money can be returned to Edinburgh.However,the Scottish givernment desreves praise for what it has achieved thus far.This one sided and inbalaced article sound more like a party political broadcast than analytical journalism.I also predict,that in spite of being a minority government, and in spite of constraints imposed by London,this Scottish government will deliver a lot more.I believe that Alec Salmond and his very competent team of ministers have a few surprises up their sleeves.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 20:03:28
#72 - for your benefit again - did the SNP promise to scrap the tram project as part of their election manifesto? If you look at my original comment - that is exactly what I said! And yes they did make this promise!!
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 20:06:05
#72 - notice I never personally insult other posters who have differing opinions to myself. So your personal insults about my education are totally below the belt - grow up. I think you would be surprised about my educational and work achievements - but that information is only available to those that know me.
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MartinR,

Inverness 05/06/2008 20:11:22
"I believe that Alec Salmond and his very competent team of ministers have a few surprises up their sleeves."

Yes - like postponing the referendum on independence for a few more years! Can't see it any time soon, and Salmond pretty much said as much recently on the C4 news...
77

Jwil,

05/06/2008 20:12:45
As someone suggested on another post, the best thing for the SNP to do if the Westminster government continue to frustrate their efforts for local income tax, is to set up a pilot study. When that is shown to be successful the rug will be pulled from the Labour party arguments. Labour are desperate not to have the LIT as it will incense the English electorate when they see that once again Scots are benefitting from SNP policies and they are not. In their opposition to LIT the Labour Party are acting against the interests of Scotland. Pensioners and many others will benefit financially from the LIT.


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lilywhite,

Borders 05/06/2008 20:22:13
#80
A manifesto pledge is based on the assumption of a party being in a overall majority or at least the major party in a coalition . As you may have noticed the SNP is a minority government and can only deliver promises if other parties back them, their hands are 100% clean in regards to the £500million wasted on Trams.So many better things could have been delivered with this money.
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Nikostratos,

05/06/2008 20:33:43
But what have the snp done for us......

reduced business rates for 150,000 small businesses abolished bridge tolls,
established the Council of Economic Advisers.
frozen council tax

reduced and will abolish prescription charges at the point of use.
saved the accident and emergency services in Ayr and Monklands.
have announced the new £842 million Southern general hospital in Glasgow,

investing £94 million to put 1,000 more police on Scotland's streets.

yeah yeah but apart from

reduced business rates for 150,000 small businesses abolished bridge tolls,
established the Council of Economic Advisers.
frozen council tax
reduced and will abolish prescription charges at the point of use.

saved the accident and emergency services in Ayr and Monklands.
have announced the new £842 million Southern general hospital in Glasgow,

investing £94 million to put 1,000 more police on Scotland's streets.

what have the snp done for us??
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Nikostratos,

05/06/2008 20:34:34
#85

he he he he he he he he........
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 20:35:41
#84 - did the SNP promise to scrap the tram project? All I want is a yes or no answer!
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lilywhite,

05/06/2008 20:38:49
#87
The SNP voted against the trams but the rest voted it through to #### the budget
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Nikostratos,

05/06/2008 20:40:18
#87

Yes they def did say that and then they chickened out when they saw they would off lost the vote. And then had the cheek to say they wouldn't bail it out if it went t#ts up......

Again.yes
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ThomasP,

Scotland, Aberdeen 05/06/2008 20:42:10
87 Gorgie_Tony

The Unionist Parties voted for the Tram Project.

It was their way of showing the new Scottish Government that they may be in Government but we can still call the shots.

Now, the budget is £500 million less for the SNP to work with.

And the Unionists still attack the SNP of broken promises.

It is the lowest of the low in my opinion.
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Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 20:57:15
#90 - I am sure Salmond would have realised prior to the election that if the SNP won it, they would be a minority government? So he should have realised that his promise of scrapping the trams was just a pure gimmick to pull in the votes from those that opposed the project? In which case, he should have never made such a promise - or perhaps he is not that bright - similar to the many folk that voted SNP!
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 05/06/2008 20:59:06
#82 It is no surprise that the SNP are holding a referendum in 2010.It was in the manifesto.I knew this and so did my family in Inverness,and anyone who cared to read the manifesto.It is okay to have different opinions but please don't distort reality.This tactic is not going to win many Brownie points.

I can sense from the personal abuse from some people on this site that the SNP government must be doing something right.Of course they will not achieve everything that they would like to do but what party does everthing in a single term? Manifesto's are written prior to elections and before certain things are known,such as minority government and the degree of confrontion and deliberate interference by London Labour.However,I suspect that the public understand this and tend to judge politicians on what they deliver,rather than what they fail to deliver.
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Highland Mighty,

05/06/2008 21:48:34
84. If the SNP didn't plan for a minority government, which there has always been since Holyrood opened, the all polls indicated and the voting system almost guarantees....what does that say about their planning abilities?!

87. Haven't police numbers actually gone DOWN since this time last year, making the SNP further behind their pledge (which the SNP wanted to renege on but was forced through by the Tories, let's not forget)?
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ThomasP,

Scotland, Aberdeen 05/06/2008 21:55:24
91 Gorgie_Tony

It is more important you realise where each Party stands on a topic.

The SNP made promises based on where they stand on certain matters. Every party does this.

But because the SNP never gained over 50% of the seats then what they were elected to do is at risk.

and for example other Political Parties can force through Bills that counter the several promises the SNP have made.

It is not their fault but this is Democracy and the side with the most votes wins.

I will ignore your comment about the SNP not being bright.

I take it as a compliament that you see the SNP as a threat that you must write something negative on an online blog.
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ThomasP,

05/06/2008 21:56:47
93 Highland Mighty

Yes. Labour were quick to point out the numbers falling.

However, have they shown you how much more are recruit annually under the SNP compared to the last Government?

Funny they did not show you that part.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 05/06/2008 22:39:08
Nobody said it would be easy but I definetly trust the SNP and think theyre doing a smashing wee job...
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/06/2008 22:48:21
95
ThomasP

Highland Mighty never actually responds to reasoned argument.
He works from a firm anti-SNP base which means that he merely attacks ANYTHING that the Scottish Government does, or proposes.
He also gives out rather...old...statistics, and ignores the newer ones which he cannot cherrypick.
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Edward,

06/06/2008 00:36:22
As ever highly amused at the usual unionist supporters grasping at the crumbs of comfort thrown out by , at best, a desperate paper which is determined to downplay Scotland, despite it being a Scottish paper!
The founder of this once proud paper must be spinning in his grave at the level of slanted news coverage.
Such as :'Promises to cut class sizes were called into question when education directors produced
figures showing £360 million would have to be spent for new classrooms plus £62m a year for extra teachers – double the price quoted by the Government'
The actual fact of the matter is that the SNP Manifesto set out that they would aim to cut class sizes within the TERM OF THE PARLIAMENT. Now correct me if Im wrong but isnt the term of this parliament run until 2011!. Another important factor that this so called article fails to highlight (perhaps as it was provided by Labour in one of there many breifs from Simon Pia) Was that for the last EIGHT years or TWO whole Parliamentary terms, Labour kept promising to cut class sizes but failed, in addition, Labour underfunded education for the last EIGHT years, so its not surprising that additional funding is now having to be sought in order to catch up and provide reduced class sizes WITHIN THE TERM OF THE PARLIAMENT!

Then we have 'Plans for a centrally set local income tax to replace the council tax were thrown into doubt when law experts warned the move could breach European law' Actually Simon Pia it doesnt, you really should check your facts before giving out breifings to the Scotsman. The EU actively encourage Local Income Tax
Perhaps if the UK Government handed over the money that it owes Scotland and stopped behaving like some spoilt bratt and let the Scottish Government get on with it, we would end up with a better country, but then again Labour really dont want that
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Royster,

06/06/2008 05:30:34
#17. We are British citizens because Parliament says we are. We are not British subjects.
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Royster,

06/06/2008 05:34:50
#20. Correction. The majority of Englishmen are descended from ancient Britons (about 57%). That's according to Y chromosome testing. This figure rises to about 80% in Wales. Yorkshire is the only region in the UK where the non-ancient Briton Y chromosomes are of any significance.