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Power struggle has barely begun



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Published Date: 31 January 2008
IT'S two months since Wendy Alexander first announced plans for a cross-party commission to look at new powers for the Scottish Parliament.
The Scottish Labour leader's public support for the transfer of more responsibilities – including tax powers – from Westminster to Holyrood was a significant step.

But despite meetings involving senior figures from Labour, the Liberal Democrats an
d the Tories in Edinburgh and London, there is still no clear picture of what the Scottish Constitutional Commission is to look like or what it will do.

Party leaders are currently said to be trying to fix another meeting which would agree on a remit.

But insiders say the key issue of appointing a chairman or chairwoman – a non-politician who could help foster a Scottish consensus – has "not even been discussed". And questions are now being asked about how serious the parties are about the exercise.

Talk of the commission inevitably prompts comparisons with the Scottish Constitutional Convention which met regularly over six years to draw up a blueprint for devolution. Labour and the Lib Dems were the key players, but churches, trade unions, business people and representatives from a wide range of Scottish society took part too. The Tories and the SNP stayed out.

The convention, set up in March 1989, did a lot of hard work, thrashed out many practical issues and had genuine debates about how a Scottish parliament should work. But the strength of the exercise was it had been inspired by a decade of shared frustration at unrelenting Tory rule from London and started from an agreed basis – that there had to be some form of devolution.

The commission is being established in very different circumstances. Instead of plotting how to escape the grasp of an unpopular government at Westminster, it is defining itself against the aspirations of a newly-elected Holyrood administration basking in strong public support.

And where the convention had a clear common goal, the commission faces the prospect of tackling a whole host of tricky questions with no guarantee of reaching agreement.

The Lib Dems have always wanted more powers for Holyrood. But the problem is there is no consensus within the Labour or Conservative parties on going further down the home rule road.

And the commission is open to the accusation it is a panic reaction to the SNP's success last May.

There are individuals in both Labour and the Tories who are convinced of the need for a further devolution of power, including some degree of control over taxes. But both parties also have others who are deeply sceptical.

And the argument has not been had, far less won, internally in either party.

Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie is said to be facing a backlash from traditional Tories worried that any support for further devolution is simply playing into the hands of the Nationalists.

Ben Wallace, once a Tory MSP and now an MP, used last week's Scottish Questions in the Commons to claim greater tax powers for Holyrood "reeks of appeasement of the SNP".

And even Tory elder statesman and former Edinburgh Pentlands MP Sir Malcolm Rifkind, who supported devolution when it was unfashionable in the party, has been critical.

He called it "naive and simplistic" to talk generally about more powers for the parliament so soon after its establishment. He said: "I don't say there can never be any further changes, but each proposal will have to be argued on its merits."

Ms Alexander has long believed in a more powerful Scottish Parliament and argued for it behind the scenes when devolution was being planned.

But many of Labour's Scottish MPs are in no mood to see more of their responsibilities transferred to Holyrood, especially now it has fallen into SNP hands.

And Labour fought last year's Scottish Parliament elections arguing there was no need for more powers.

One Labour insider says there is widespread support in the Scottish party for a serious look at the question of more powers for Holyrood.

But he admits there might not have been so much interest in the idea if the SNP had not got into power.

He says: "If we had won the election, the commission would not have grown the arms and legs that it has.

"But there is a general feeling we need to discuss this now because although there is no surge in support for independence, people will inevitably start to look at it because Salmond is talking about it and we need to have something to offer instead."

Opinion polls regularly show stronger support for "more powers" than for independence. But the chances are people are choosing that as the most attractive of the options put to them. It doesn't necessarily reflect a popular clamour for MSPs to be given extra responsibilities.

Now they have embarked on the commission project, the opposition parties cannot afford to dither – but they also need to tread carefully if they are going to keep people on board.



The full article contains 832 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 31/01/2008 10:50:15
So there would have been no move for change if the SNP were not in power.

This proves two things, 1, If you want change in Scotland you have to back the SNP.

2, How meaningless and divided the commission really is.
2

Karin M,

31/01/2008 10:53:07
1. I agree the commission is a talking shop. The only way to see more powers wether that be more devolution or indepedence is to support the snp. Westminster obviously have no intentions of giving the scottish parliament more powers. Therefore the only way to show that scotland wants more powers is to vote snp in a westminster election and show them scots will not be dictated to.
3

Karin M,

31/01/2008 10:54:19
Also who is this labour insider is the scotsman to frightened to name them in case wee wendy hears about it. My bets are on andy kerr being the labour insider.
4

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 31/01/2008 12:23:08
The problem for the Unionists is that they have to find a position they all agree on. Many see the Commission as a talking shop that takes power away from the people by handing it over to politicians and worthies. The Tories are have problems with their own membership over this, as many are opposed to conceding any ground to the nationalists. But the real problem, as I see it, is that Labour have thought of nothing new to spike the nationalists' guns. They said twice before that devoultion would put paid to the SNP but it has failed to do so. The strategy is the same strategy they have followed since the seventies and before - call them 'Tartan Tories', despite the fact we all know the Labour party to be more Tory than even the Tories, peddle all the old myths, tough it out until enough people believe you, and keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. I don't think this smacks of the radical thinking that Wendy Alexander promised. Her days as Labour leader are probably already numbered.
5

I love to eat Sellotape,

31/01/2008 13:27:21
Karin M - "the Labour insider" it's probably nobody at all, just an imaginary friend.
6

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 13:56:08
take it from me its a labour to get up every morning and watch what ever i earn going in some tax rent through the roof council tax highway robbery petrol a commodity only the super rich can afford foreign companies ie scottish power charging a fortune just to heat your kids
7

The Master,

31/01/2008 14:58:37
“the problem is there is no consensus within the Labour or Conservative parties on going further down the home rule road.”

Dear oh dear oh dear! If there’s no groundswell of opinion to spur on the efforts of the Constitutional Commission (in the way that there was for the Convention) then what are the chances of Salmond’s extremist independence policy attracting any significant support? If there’s no groundswell in favour of further devolution of powers, what chance for the independence policy? It’s already dead in the water, take it from me!

“there is a general feeling we need to discuss this now because although there is no surge in support for independence, people will inevitably start to look at it because Salmond is talking about it”

Cobblers! The SNP has been in power for several months now and, since the whole raison d’etre of the party is supposedly to gain independence for Scotland, why, may I ask, has public support for this option failed to advance one iota? The only way the Nats can show any real support for their extremist independence agenda is by citing opinion poll evidence which denies voters the option of instead granting extra powers to the parliament (and that’s not very fair and objective now, is it?). Oh look: we’ve come full circle here!
8

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 15:15:40
'The Master' might better term himself 'the minion'. Independence is normality for most countries around the world and it is in no way an extremist position.

When people say they want more powers for the parliament they often mean things like defence and foreign affairs or social security which can only be delivered by independence.

According to recent social attitudes surveys Holyrood outscored Westminster by 64% to 11% when asked who should have 'the major influence in running the country'.

Clearly most people are moving towards the logic of the SNP's position which would give us independent representation at the EU and UN while achieving equality with England.

Labour and the Lib Dems were in power for Scotland for a good number of years and during that time they never demanded more powers for the parliament.

Now that the SNP are in they think they might be able to outflank them and put people of independence by claiming further devolution of power will be enough.

However fiscal autonomy is meaningless without the oil revenues and that is the only idea that has been regularly put forward by (some) unionists.

All this new body will do is try and dream up a bare minimum of extra powers which can then be fed to the public as an alternative to independence. However the unionists don't really even have the appetite to do that!

Wendy Alexander will be more than likely dumped for someone else with even less ambition for Scotland (Henry McLeish wasn't quite servile enough so we ended up with a man who 'knew his place' Jack McConnell) but as long as this 'constitutional commission' rules out independence it will also be ruling itself out of any relevance to Scotland.

If the unionists are so certain Scots don't want independence let's have a vote on it and find out! The fact they all run like a rabbit from that option suggests they know the weakness of their own case which basically relies on scaremongering and lies.
9

The Master,

31/01/2008 15:17:46
#4 Gregor Addison: are you sure that devolution has failed to put paid to the Nats? Are you sure that they weren’t “making devolution work” when they ended the long hegemony of Labour? The parliament’s a dead end (as far as the Nats’ supposed central aim of achieving independence for Scotland is concerned, anyway!)

Are you also sure that the “Tartan Tory” mud isn’t beginning to stick? How well do you think the cut in council tax will go down in Govan? Is it really sensible to cut prescription charges rather than to direct resources elsewhere? Is it wise for the party’s leadership to be seen to be toadying up to reactionary characters such as Souter and Trump?
10

DaveSubsea,

31/01/2008 15:35:53
Rumblings at Westminster, they don't like Wendy Woo's move towards fiscal autonomy, albeit a watered down version.

Peter Hain's freinds are privately seething that Ms ALexander is still at the helm in Scotland.

Will Andy Kerr toe the party line when he is installed as next Leader of the opposition in Scotland?
11

DaveSubsea,

31/01/2008 16:13:50
If Andy Kerr is the answer, what is the question? And is Labour actually aware of the dire straits it is in?

Not at Westminster, where Labour remains in power and where the SNP government is seen as more of an irritant than a warning of what could await incumbents at the next election. Viewed from the Thames, there is little sense of the radical surgery required to revive a party which insiders candidly admit is organisationally hollow, demoralised and low-calibre.

That helps explain the Westminster Government's chilly approach to her plans for a constitutional commission. Gordon Brown is non-commital and Des Browne joined the three-party, two-parliament talks as leader of Scottish Labour MPs but not as Scotland Secretary on behalf of the Government. It is already at risk of being nicknamed "Wendy's Commission", giving it as precarious a toe-hold as she currently has. Her departure would probably end the project, which, depending on your viewpoint, is either the reason she must stay or the reason she will have to go.

There is even less progress on Wendy Alexander's plans for party reform. Intended to go before the Scottish Labour conference in March, they have been postponed, pending appointments of new general secretaries in both London and Glasgow. The London leadership is not smoothing the way for Alexander to get her way on "reform, renewal and reconnection".
12

The Master,

31/01/2008 17:09:12
#8 JoeM: well done! You’ve obviously come across yet another of those carefully slanted questions that can make it appear that people are actually in favour of independence. Of course the public will light heartedly respond that they would rather see Holyrood running their own affairs than Westminster: aren’t the SNP still on their honeymoon whereas Labour nationally are beginning to run out of steam? Think about it!

As for your referendum, please get it into your head that no-one in Scotland (apart from you Nats, of course!) would be all that interested if it were ever held. There again, maybe you’re only hope is that you’ll be able to achieve some kind of victory on a low turnout (whereas major constitutional change such as separation would, of course, require resounding majorities on at least three occasions).
13

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31/01/2008 18:07:43
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Hen Broon 5 ,

31/01/2008 18:32:37
The unionists are obviously in self destruct mode: they’ve taken to fighting amongst themselves whereas they should be doing the bidding of their colonialist overlords!
15

Sanny,

Glasgow 31/01/2008 23:33:11
15 Jonathan Lloyd: -
To some extent you are correct; however you fail to recognise that an Independent Scotland would be free to re-negotiate terms of membership or to leave. We could form a trading block with the Northern European Nations that are not members of the EU.

All things are possible but first we need independence.

To the Master alias the Ostrich; remove your head from the sand and stick into that other orifice in your nether regions and have a look for your lonely brain cell.
Alternatively go to the Scottish National Library in Edinburgh and ask to read the papers of the Scotland-UN Committee. They make a very enlightening read, particularly into the origins of the devolved parliament of Scotland.
16

blueguru,

US 01/02/2008 02:05:54
#12 - The Master? Maybe you should sign your full name next time.
17

Exocet,

01/02/2008 02:57:01
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6zye0nh8w

 

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