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London muscles in just when Wendy thought she was safe



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With attacks on her initiative from Westminster, the Scottish Labour leader has her work cut out, argues Ian Swanson
JUST when she thought it was safe to go back to normal politics, a new problem has appeared for Wendy Alexander – and this time it comes from her own side. No sooner had she put the dodgy donation row behind her and shrugged off SNP cries of "whitewa
sh" than she found her initiative to secure more powers for Holyrood under attack from her own Westminster colleagues.

First there were reports that Prime Minister Gordon Brown wanted to downgrade her proposed cross-party Scottish Constitutional Commission to a "review" or a "working group" and ensure that it was driven from Westminster rather than Scotland.

Ms Alexander denied the reports and No 10 said it was "wholly supportive of Wendy's work".

But then Scotland Office minister David Cairns gave a newspaper interview in which he argued there was no case for further devolution, dismissing the call for more powers for the Scottish Parliament as a concern of the "McChattering classes". The comments were not what Ms Alexander needed.

Her plan for a constitutional commission, unveiled in a St Andrew's Day speech, was a bold step. It represented a significant change in policy – Labour had argued during last year's election there was no need for more powers – which was welcomed by many MSPs and activists.

Ms Alexander regards the initiative as proof of her independence from the UK party bosses in London.

So Scottish Labour politicians are exasperated at their colleagues at Westminster for undermining the idea – especially when it offers a potential way forward for a party still struggling to adapt to being out of power.

One senior figure diplomatically says Mr Cairns' interview was "unhelpful". Another has a more candid description, calling the statements "staggering political ineptitude".

Mr Cairns' comments are seen as reflecting the attitude of many backbench Scottish MPs at Westminster, who have long regarded the Scottish Parliament with a degree of suspicion or even hostility.

Some worry that he may also be signalling the view from inside the UK Government.

"I don't think David Cairns was working entirely on his own initiative," says one party insider.

"There are certainly some MPs who fear their authority or position could be undermined if more powers were transferred to Holyrood. But they should let Wendy get back on the front foot.

"To bring it up now just gives the SNP more ammunition. It's a bit unfair to drop her in it again when she seems just to be out of the woods."

It had been assumed that Ms Alexander had obtained at least the tacit approval of the Prime Minister before launching the Constitutional Commission proposal. She is, after all, one of his closest allies in Scotland. But it is now said that Mr Brown told a meeting in Downing Street on January 28, attended by Chancellor Alistair Darling, Justice Secretary Jack Straw and Scottish Secretary Des Browne, that he wanted the UK Government, not Holyrood, to take the lead in setting up the new body, adding that he did not feel the word "commission" was appropriate, preferring it to be called a "working party" or "review".

Such a move would not only be a slap in the face for Ms Alexander but also a death-blow to cross-party co-operation on the issue. For Ms Alexander, trying to resume normal service after the "distraction" of the donation row and establish herself as leader of a viable opposition, the last thing she wants is to be portrayed as a puppet being operated from Westminster.

However, a Labour source says Ms Alexander's closeness to the Prime Minister can work both ways. Although she can sometimes be seen as doing his bidding, she also has his ear.

"She has a far better chance of getting her own way than any other politician in Scotland," says the source.

"She showed in her St Andrew's Day speech that she has the courage to stand up to London if necessary."

Ms Alexander firmly believes in stronger powers for the Scottish Parliament, including control of some taxes, and she is ready to work across party lines to explore the options – but clearly not everyone in her party agrees. There are tensions inside the Conservative Party on the issue as well.

Only the Liberal Democrats are united on the need for more powers for Holyrood.

The impetus for the Constitutional Commission comes from the SNP's victory last May, and the feeling that voters must be offered a coherent alternative to independence – even though there is little evidence of a demand for Scotland to go it alone.

The Scottish Social Attitude Survey shows support for independence remarkably steady at nine to eleven per cent over the nine years since the Scottish Parliament was set up.

Backing for devolution with tax powers fluctuates a little more – dipping in 2004 and 2005 particularly – but now as high as it has ever been at 54 per cent, above even the figure in 1999.

If the commission is going to go ahead, Ms Alexander and the other leaders need to find a respected, high-profile figure to chair it and move quickly to get it launched. The attacks coming from south of the Border make it more important than ever that the commission is seen to be a credible body that will create a clear consensus on new powers.





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  • Last Updated: 14 February 2008 9:24 AM
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1

An English Megaphone,,

14/02/2008 10:52:18
WAH WAH WAH WAH, it is all the SNP.S fault. Wendy has to go.
2

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 11:09:29
1. An excellent contribution by the SNP camp. A round of applause please, ladies and gentlemen.

3

Nikostratos,

14/02/2008 11:09:50
"The Scottish Social Attitude Survey shows support for independence remarkably steady at nine to eleven per cent over the nine years since the Scottish Parliament was set up."


ooh! nasty! wonder how many snp drones, cybernats etc will agree with that statement......

9% to 11% thats not very many is it hardly a mandate...ha ha
4

Arfur,

14/02/2008 11:14:24
tin pot party
5

Allan(handofgod137),

14/02/2008 11:17:01
"No sooner had she put the dodgy donation row behind her"

Oh no she hasn't!
6

subrosa,

14/02/2008 11:19:40
# 3

Soon this paper will be reporting it's gone down to 1% so don't you worry. Can't see why the unionists are so against asking the people - I mean ALL the people.
7

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 11:22:49
Poor Wendy, Alex on one side and Gordon on the other. At least with Alex she knows where he stands but Gordon does seem a bit iffy on the support front.

This flip flopping by Labour also shows that they are not exactly serious about further powers for Holyrood, merely clutching at straws designed to thwart the march of Prime Minister Salmond and his SNP Government.

Re The Scottish Social Attitude's figures for support for Independence stuck at 9 to 11% over 9 years. Just goes to show you can get any answer you want if you ask the right questions to the right group of people.
8

Nikostratos,

14/02/2008 11:29:08
#6

is that all the people in the U.K including ex pats.....
9

Thistledhu,

Fife 14/02/2008 11:41:45
If Labour are so confidant that the SNP do not have a mandate why are the westminster manderins blocking any progress in devolution?

And why are they no longer in power?

10

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 11:48:33
3. I missed that comment.

I'll just add that to that nasty unionist list:

1. Support for independence in latest YouGov poll down 2% to 27% on a year ago. Support for status quo up 6% to 57% on a year ago.

2. Only 0.5% of Scottish population have downloaded massively publicised White Paper on Independence.

3. Only 600 comments have been left on 'National Conversation' in eight months, many by multiple nat posters. Averaging 3-4 a day.

4. SSA survey shows support for independence at only 9-11%.

I'll also add in this little nugget for future use and quoting by the majority:

5. The Centre for Social Research, based on 1,299 interviews conducted between May and August 2007, found just 23% are in favour of independence. This is the LOWEST level since immediately after the 1997 general election.

In contrast 55% now favour having a devolved parliament with taxation powers, the HIGHEST level yet recorded.

Does anyone see a pattern?
11

me150,

14/02/2008 11:52:22
She's making a mistake trying to get more powers in an attempt to swing some votes from SNP. Best thing she can do is what Guy Faulks tried only do it better and fry the SNP.

Maybe then we can get back to proper politics and policies.
12

Thistledhu,

Fife 14/02/2008 12:08:27
#11 yes how dare people vote for any party other than Labour.

proper politcs such as delay on the desision to build a new forth bridge that we all know has to be built

Proper politics such as the closure of Accident and emergancy departments against local opinion and forceing 30 to 40 minute journeys to hospitals.

councils mismanageing budgets to such an extent there is masive holes in the finances allways assuming the good old tax payer will foot the bill.

Forgive me if i dont hanker for such great times.

And of course the reality that if things keep going the way they are the only way labour would unseat the SNP is by resurecting guy fawkes or the likes they certainly wouldent win an election.

And Wendy and co more or less openly admitted it dureing the budget vote.
13

Alberto.,

14/02/2008 12:28:16
" She is, after all, one of his (thePM) closest allies."

In view of the Political situation of the day, and its well known 'modus operandi', governing by the only way they know of i.e,:-'Do as you are told' - and, as always, 'Survival of the fittest' really means 'watch your back, no matter who’ - at all times'

Trust, truth and honesty are now considered, no doubt unanimously in the Political field, as extinct, and classed as great stumbling blocks to their way of life at all times, which seems to be 'What's in it for me!' and seems to be winning hands down every time! As a desired result can obviously be simply arranged as required, to suit any occasion - why institute change and direction when it is certainly the ‘forte’ par excellence of New Labour - as we see continually displayed!

It would seemingly at the present time - from what we read about current political life both Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander - possibly many others, will be continually fully occupied ‘watching their backs!’ while the Public can enjoy the amazing ‘ False front’ they will apply to it!

Never a dull moment - especially with the New Labour ‘division!’

14

Jwil,

14/02/2008 12:30:45
Its time for Scottish labour MPs to "out" themselves and declare their wish for independence from London Labour and Independence for Scotland.
15

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 12:35:02
#10 Actually, the Scottish Election Study found and I quote "Unsurprisingly, a majority of voters was in favour of a referendum. We also replicated the now-familiar finding that, given two options - status quo or independence - voters split fairly evenly"

http://www.scottishelectionstudy.org.uk/keyfindings.htm

(2) The British Social Attitudes survey found that only 3% of Scots refer to themselves as British, only 21% of Scots see themselves as equally Scottish and British, with only 52% of Scots identifying British as a secondary identity.

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tomias,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 12:38:09
Number 11; watch it! Yes I know that 5 or so got off on appeal yesterdat but thinking such things are now under Broon not at all on; AND I agree with you
17

InsideOutside,

SCOTLAND 14/02/2008 13:02:20
Keep Wendy in power, long live Wendy. She is doing a fantastic job of convincing every single voter in Scotland why Labour MUST NOT get back into power. They have had way WAY too long to make a difference.

What did we end up with?

Lies, deceit, corruption and MSP's all too willing to line their pockets with tax-payer's cash.

The recent whitewash and the refusal to convict a CRIMINAL proves the level of corruption within Labour and the power of Westminster.

18

Calum10,

14/02/2008 13:05:48
re: "If the commission is going to go ahead, Ms Alexander and the other leaders need to find a respected, high-profile figure to chair it and move quickly to get it launched."

That person has already been handpicked by Gordon Brown himself. He is James D Gallagher, a career Whitehall civil servant and arch-Unionist. Jim, as his mates call him, has been approached By Gordon Brown not only to chair the Wendy Commission but also to sit on Wee Wendy, Auntie Annabel and Numptie Nichol til they breathe no more.

Thus this commission has passed on. It's no more. It's ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet it's maker. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If Brown hadn't saved Wee Wendy it would be pushing up the daisies. It's metabolic processes are now history. It's kicked the bucket. It's shuffled off it's mortal coil and joined the bleeding choir invisible, THIS IS AN EX-COMMISSION!!
19

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 13:09:46
15. The 57%-27% was a two-option question.

And you appear to have conveniently missed out some key findings the study:
"Unsurprisingly, a majority of voters was in favour of a referendum. We also replicated the now-familiar finding that, given two options - status quo or independence - voters split fairly evenly, WHEREAS GIVEN THREE OPTIONS, THE MOST POPULAR OPTION WAS 'MORE POWERS'.
MORE NOTABLY, OUR RESULTS SUGGEST THAT AROUND A QUARTER OF THOSE CHOOSING INDEPENDENCE IN A TWO-OPTION REFERENDUM WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER 'MORE POWERS' IF THAT WAS OFFERED."

(2) Relevance? I consider myself Scottish rather than British but I'm still far happier in the UK than becoming yet another insignificant country.
20

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 13:20:18
15. Did you read the findings of the Scottish Election Study at all?

Because at the end of report was this:

"We thus identify four main foundations of the SNP's success in 2007:

* on balance negative evaluations of Labour's record at Holyrood

* perceived SNP competence on the key issue of the economy

* and perceptions of a more positive agenda than Labour's

* Labour also being held back by the unpopularity of Blair and the Iraq war

Some factors suggested to be important in 2007 are missing from the table above, because we found no evidence that they predicted Labour versus SNP support. These absentees mean that we found NO SUPPORT FOR THE FOLLOWING EXPLANATIONS OF THE 2007 RESULTS:

* Salmond's popularity advantage over McConnell

* Labour being punished for defending the council tax

* the SNP's advantage over Labour on law and order and on health

* a groundswell of support for independence - IN FACT, THIS OPTION IS SLIGHTLY LESS POPULAR THAN IN 2003.

Note also that such broad characterisation of an election is necessarily a simplification, though, and we should be wary of 'explaining SNP success' without keeping in mind the narrowness of their margin of victory over Labour, and the strong support for parties beyond those two."
21

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:23:33
#19 Not at all, but I bet you got a little shock when I posted the finding from the election study :-) Just pointing out the "now-familiar finding" (direct quote from the Scottish Election Study findings - the biggest study on elections and the constitution, in Scotland, in 2007) that, given two options status quo or independence, voters split fairly evenly on the issue.

Indeed, the Study is right - over the long term horizon (ie 10 years plus) that is exactly what opinion polls have been telling us. In some cases the slim majority went for independence, in other cases the slim majority went for the Union.

I personally see the question as a question of independence versus the union (let's face it, it is the only way the issue will ever be resolved). However if the issue of fiscal independence is introduced I'm more than happy to consider it.

As an independence supporter, I'd support more powers - and if it were the most immediate priority (more immediate than independence) then I'd support more powers option over independence. It just means the step to independence is much, much closer and the United Kingdom becomes much more ungovernable.

I'm happy for the Union to split naturally (without a referendum) or for the polticians to decide on the end of the Union (like the end of Czechoslovakia). A Scottish referendum, may in the end, prove not be necessary to achieve Scottish independence, for whatever reason.

22

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:25:05
Yes, I did read the election study. It is very interesting. I'm sure the SNP will be happy with it. However, I'm focussing on the issue of independence, which the study found:

"Unsurprisingly, a majority of voters was in favour of a referendum. We also replicated the now-familiar finding that, given two options - status quo or independence - voters split fairly evenly"

That's a perfectly legitimate thing to find - even ignoring the party politics of elections.
23

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 13:29:11
22. I say again, the YouGov poll was a two-option question:

Independence 27% (and dropping)
Status Quo 57% (and rising)

Figures mirrored in the also-quoted Centre for Social Research survey.
24

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:34:38
#23 So the Election Study (which was trumpeted as the best guide of Scottish Opinion since 2003) is not quite all it was punted up to be by Unionists, when the facts, rather than the propaganda and spin, are pointed out.

And figures from a Yougov poll, not far behind that one

Independence: 40% (and rising)

Union: 42% (and dropping)

We could go on all day like this.


25

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:36:03
It was TNS System 3, rather than Yougov.
26

Dinglebert Slaptiback,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 13:36:15
Poor Wendy. Can hardly stop myself laughing.

The Labour lot in London have gone native. Clearly they can't be trusted to support Scottish democracy (by the way, I'm not a cyber-nat).
27

Highland Mighty,

14/02/2008 13:36:26
What YouGov poll is that? Or did you just make that up.
28

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:37:14
Interestingly, that poll also showed a familiar finding - that the majority of Scots under the age of 35 supported independence. That augments a number of findings that the young dont favour the Union or Britishness.
29

Grant,

Scotland 14/02/2008 13:37:40
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1907907.0.0.php
30

Mikey,

14/02/2008 14:00:27
The troll Heil and Mighty and his National Socialist Scottish Workers Party are in real trouble, so like his hero Gore Bells, he resorts to some dodgy 'opinion poll' to try and shore up his reprehensible ideas!

You can bet your posterior that if the figures were the other way round, he would be hiding now.

Just like his party, he thinks his opinion still matters.
31

Edward,

14/02/2008 14:42:54
#3 & #10
Thats the The Scottish Social Attitude Survey which only has had SEVEN surveys from 1999 to 2005
so not accurate to say 'last nine years'
32

Edward,

14/02/2008 14:49:12
The fact of the matter is that the Labour party in Scotland are in the deep doodoo!
Between fraudulent activities in raising money by Labour Party in Scotland to Scottish Labour MP's in Westminster totally devoid of reality
33

ptdoug,

14/02/2008 15:13:54
The problem for the "Scottish" Labour Party is that the are really no more than a Branch Office of the UK Labour Party.... controlled from London.

When the London fiddler plays his tune... they fully expect their regional branch office groups...such as the Labour group at Holyrood... to dance.

When London says jump, the only response they expect from their Scottish regional Labour MSPs is... "How high..sir?"

For Gordon Brown and David Cairns to sabotage Wendy Alexander to such a degree illustrates beyond question that London Labour regards those Scottish Labour MSPs (democraticaly elected by Scottish voters) as nothing more than their puppets... their playthings....

As an SNP supporter I genuinely feel for Wendy on this issue. She has a long track record of support for greater powers for Holyrood and I have no doubts on her sincerity on this issue.

It really is time Scottish Labour MSPs defended Wendy and themselves from the breathtaking arrogance and bully boy tactics of the likes of Brown, Cairns, and the rest of Labours parliamentary group of MPs at Westminster.
34

Merouane,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 15:16:25
#32. And the desperation on the part of some of the Labour supporters here only underlines the mess they're in.
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14/02/2008 15:53:40
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DaveSubsea,

14/02/2008 15:56:19
Labour in Scotland was on the brink of civil war last night after a senior MP launched an outspoken attack on Wendy Alexander's calls for Holyrood to be given more powers.

The MP, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was "hostility" at Westminster to Ms Alexander's Scottish Constitutional Commission - and predicted that its recommendations would be rejected by the House of Commons.

In a further blow to Ms Alexander, a leading Labour councillor yesterday denied her claims that voluntary groups face massive funding cuts.

HAW HAW HAW
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14/02/2008 16:07:30
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14/02/2008 16:12:23
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AJ Fife,

14/02/2008 16:17:32
Wee wendy appears to be no more than a puppet of No 10 - hardly a surprise.


There's a history of Westminster control when it comes to Labour's chief flunky in Scotland:-

1. When dodgy henry needed some extra pocket money, he was spanked and sent packing.

2. When auld daft Donald proved he was rubbish at sums, he luckily popped his clogs before the big boot was administered in his direction.

3. Everytime wee jack even thought of something half worthwhile, the Labour bigwigs reeled him in like a naughty wee schoolboy. Of course, cross dressing in public, did him no favours!!
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Carlung,

Haddington 14/02/2008 16:45:59

The MP, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was "hostility" at Westminster to Ms Alexander's Scottish Constitutional Commission - and predicted that its recommendations would be rejected by the House of Commons.

The only real way forward for the labour party in Scotland is to become independent, thus freeing itself from London control. Might even pick up some voters on the way.

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14/02/2008 17:03:37
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Jwil,

14/02/2008 17:20:18
"It's ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet it's maker. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If Brown hadn't saved Wee Wendy it would be pushing up the daisies".

In that case it must be a dead parrot.
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subrosa,

14/02/2008 17:33:07
# 8

What's it go to do with people who don't live in Scotland? You're being silly.


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Andrew Allan,

14/02/2008 17:37:46
I have to laugh at all of you who believe all this rubbish you see in front of you without questioning the too good to be true acting we have in front of us. Wendy Alexander a close family friend of Prime Minister Brown, and sister of Douglas, suddenly takes the line that what the Scottish people want is a lot more power to run their own affairs, but Westminster wants to destroy the SNP, and give away little if any powers to Holyrood. So what would Westminster cook up I wonder, wait a minute, why not do as they are doing right now, but then give way on one or two issue, making Wendy look like the hero and champion of the Scottish people.
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subrosa,

14/02/2008 17:42:38
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I should have said what's it got to do with people who don't live in Scotland?
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An Beal Bacht,

14/02/2008 18:53:59
It's all just a pantomime really.
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George Laird,

Glasgow 14/02/2008 19:13:45
Dear All

Another nail in the Wendy Alexander coffin.

It's all over for her. The knives are out, she can't even control the infighting in her own party.

Now her big idea is slapped down hard by her London masters.

Before long her idea will be just a working lunch chat.

Not a leader of men is she!

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
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David MacVicar,

web 14/02/2008 19:42:55
46 Andrew Allan.

I have been thinking on similar lines. Though I think if she sinks Broon and co will distance themselves. This could bring on a new Nu Numpty Labour pLeader to take up the cause and come to Scotlands rescue, heaven forbid.

There are many possible outcomes but I am in no doubt that this a is a stage managed rift. Nu Labour is one party, one leader, one hegemony...
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Rasco,

Inverness 14/02/2008 19:55:55
#46 Could not agree with you more its there for all to see.
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karinxx,

14/02/2008 22:32:29
ugghhh ian swanson i know its valentines day but ye got carried away with yourself there.

barrrrrrfffff.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 00:39:01
Highland Mighty is actually a Northern Ireland Mighty if you look carefully at the composition of his rants.

Exactly how many personas has AM2 got on the Scottish Media.

We enlightened Scots dont need to claim false figures to justify our point of view.What we need from the Britnats is a solid arguement on the pro's of staying in the Contract of Union. Lets face the facts, there is no arguement for remaining, whilst there is evidence every day of the week that we should go. And the evidence is quite simply Scotland first Scottish Government to provide proof that real Scots who dont tip their hats to a foreign Government, and who put the welfare of their own people first no matter if they support the Britnat stance or the SNP goals. The SNP Scottish Government is showing us the way and is creating a sense of we can, rather than the Britnat stance of"I wonder if another country will let us" as Gordon Brown and his limp government displays on a daily basis.

Yes the latest London Controlled New Labour Party infighting is stage managed to make the likes of Wendy look like the poor wee lassie who is willing to do a Joan of Arc to defend Scotland. But remember she ended up as a pile of ash, just the same as any other Britnat stooge will receive if they try to hold back the Independance tidal wave our homeland is experiencing right now.

 

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