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Hibs vow to build new stand



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Published Date: 21 July 2008
HIBS today insisted they have every intention of completing the redevelopment of Easter Road despite the credit crunch and the soaring cost of raw materials worldwide.
The Edinburgh club revealed at their annual general meeting last October that they were to investigate the viability of building a new East Stand to take capacity at their ground to around 22,000.

Since then club officials have been in discussions
with supporters, the latest "listening group", chaired by finance director Tim Gardiner, focusing on the funding gap between which exists between club resources and what might be required.

Hibs do have planning permission which runs to February 2010 and, while the new stand need not be wholly completed by that date, significant work would have to be undertaken.

However, chief executive Scott Lindsay today insisted Hibs won't commit to the new stand, which will mirror that of the £6 million West Stand, although a decision has yet to be taken as to whether it would consist of one or two tiers, until "cost certainty" was secured.

But Lindsay admitted the rocketing cost of steel, which is up between 40 and 50 per cent in the past year with further rises in the pipeline, other raw materials and the credit crunch had "conspired" against the club leaving a funding gap which the Evening News understands amounts to a "seven-figure sum".

Among the topics under discussion were multiple-year season tickets, a Hibernian bond, fans paying to have their names placed on their seats, a "recognition" board along the lines of the Hibs 100 Club or bricks engraved with supporters' names.

Now club officials will work on those ideas and explore all the options open to them.

Lindsay said: "We said at the agm we were going to look hard to see if the economic case could match the emotional desire.

"Since then, events and circumstances have conspired to make that even more of a challenge but we continue to explore the possibilities. We are not shelving the project but we need to know before we start work that we can afford to complete it. We are keen to understand what the cost will be before we commit."

One problem confronting Hibs in the current global financial meltdown is the constantly rising cost of raw materials. Lindsay said: "Steel prices, for instance, are moving constantly. For example, if we were to build the West Stand again today it would cost substantially more than it did."

Simply borrowing to bridge the gap would, according to Lindsay, prove problematical. He said: "The economic climate in the world has changed. There's less money available for lending and that which is available is more expensive.

"Lindsay did, insist, however, that manager Mixu Paatelainen's coffers would not be raided, saying: "It's an entirely different thing to Mixu's budget."

Meanwhile, Paatelainen said he hopes to be able to unveil the identity of his next summer signing later this week although he described reports linking Hibs to freed Aberdeen striker Steve Lovell as "newspaper talk".

HIBS today revealed they'll play Cowdenbeath in a friendly at Central Park next Monday (kick-off 7.30pm). Tickets: Adults £10; OAPs £5; children under 16 accompanied by an adult free; unaccompanied children £2.





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  • Last Updated: 21 July 2008 1:07 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Hibernian FC
 
1

Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 11:48:45
The new stand is not going to get any cheaper in the future so I can't understand why the board are making these noises. The club has accumulated more than £11.0 million in transfer fees in the last 3 years so the money is substantially there. Get on with it I say!!

However, I don't think that the old maxim 'build it and the will come' applies here. It is more, as written in the article, a cosmetic come emotional exercise. A legacy to the the Tom Farmer era.
2

Not another Walter Galbraith!,

north perth 21/07/2008 11:58:25
No point in building a new stand if you can't build a team.
We shall have a few trialists out against Barcelona in more ways than one.
Sorry getting a tad impatient Mixu and Rod!
gg2th
3

Lenny,

21/07/2008 12:02:12
Ditch the stand idea and spend some money on players. To be honest going to the terrace with the boys sounds about the ONLY thing us Hibees have to look forward to next season.
4

W s m,

21/07/2008 12:05:38
Makes one think of that terrible pink bus shelter,
5

Pazuzu,

21/07/2008 12:08:55
Lenny:

I agree.

GGTTH

6

Who's it gonna be? ,

21/07/2008 12:13:12
Agree with Lenny.
An average team and no East stand banter will result in a depressing Saturday afternoon. Players first. Decent midfielder and a proven striker needed now. This talk about getting another keeper is another drain on spending. We have 4 on the books so until 2 are lost forget it.
Hibs have fallen behind badly to Motherwell and D United since Mowbrey left and at the moment Falkirk look like a side that we will struggle to beat. Hertz may well be there or thereabouts this season so strengthening must be done now- not January.
7

Who?,

21/07/2008 12:16:09
If hibs fail to fill their stadium on a regular basis then why raise the capacity?

While it would be a good idea to get rid of the lambrini stand opp the main stand pricing out the nuckle draggers, it it really value for money?
8

Vinnie123,

21/07/2008 12:17:08
If the standard of signings are anything to go by, then the stand will be built with sub standard raw materials and assembled by unskilled workers.

9

SouthSideHibs,

21/07/2008 12:17:30
We do have the challenge of the planning permission expiring in 2010 to consider.

But at the moment it would appear that we have a 'funding gap' off the pitch and a 'talent gap' on the pitch.

As we can only spend the same pound once (unlike our Jambo friends) we'll have to either build a stand or build a team. As there's no chance of the latter we will have to resign ourselves to completing the re-development AND maintaining the balance sheet, while Dundee Utd and Falkirk appear to be recruiting some new, exciting players.

Hopefully once ER is completed, Messrs Petrie and Farmer will quietly move-on and we can find someone willing to help us capitalise on our financially stable position.
10

SouthSideHibs,

21/07/2008 12:22:32
#7 - it's a case of when not if the East Stand is redeveloped due to the expiration of Planning Permission that would be objected to by new local residents, nothing to do with capacity per se, more about the additional, unecessary expense of getting new Planning Permission.

It's also easy to argue that the East Stand is actually a deterent to increasing attendance, as it's not necessarily a place for the faint-hearted 'walk-up'.

As I said - hopefully once complete, Petrie and Farmer will decide it's time to move on.

GGTTH
11

Lenny,

21/07/2008 12:33:06
# 10

We only need to start work before that date. Which could mean structural work etc. This could be done without actually removing the East Stand at the moment.

We are now in a situation where we NEED better quality players. Whereas we DONT need a new stand. It should be a simple solution to figure out.

I cant remember ever being as disinterested in a pre-season before.
12

Big T,

21/07/2008 12:44:10
Just where does this rag (which now amounts to a Hibs Fanzine) come up with their headline -

"Hibs VOW to build new stand"?????

Where exactly is the VOW.

Is the headline not -

"Credit crunch puts new Hibs stand in doubt"

Ooops sorry - they're keeping that one for Hearts new stand - silly me!
13

John south of Soutra,

21/07/2008 12:46:07
what is the point in increasing the capacity to 22,000, at the present moment the only time the ground would be full would be against the OF and Hearts, I would have thought that most supporters would have preferred to see money invested in the team as the present squad will be lucky to attract the same numbers as went to the games last season
14

Warrnambool Hibee,

21/07/2008 12:53:38
Lets just hopes that the signing Mixu announces later in the week is not a recycled player from another SPL club.

At this rate if it could re-hab at our training centre I think we might be getting Aberdeens old stand when it comes down.....
15

Mikey,

21/07/2008 12:58:49
Looks like sometime in the future there will be more Hobos disguised as seats, eh?

Sometime in long and distant future.....
16

Victoria Ian,

Leith 21/07/2008 13:03:06
Just get the stand built please.

Players come and go, get injured etc. Bricks and mortar will leave a long legacy and give us clearly the 3rd best club stadium in Scotland. I would accept having a slightly weaker team for a couple of years for this to go ahead- I think it would be well worth the cost.
17

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:03:13
Looks like Fletcher's off then! The stand has to be built before the planning consent expires. Looks like bottom six for us for a few years!
18

Wise Old Hibby,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:07:26
#12 I agree. Standing on the terraces when there was real atmosphere - those were the days.

I agree with all who say that investment in the team MUST be our priority over a new stand. I speak to many fans who tell me they're not renewing their season tickets as they're totally disillusioned with the lack of investment in the team. Who can blame them. For the last 3 years we've sold every decent player we've had and to be fair received good money for them. The only player worth anything we've still got is Fletcher.

Petrie get your finger out!
19

Warrnambool Hibee,

Oz 21/07/2008 13:08:10
It will still be a few years before I make it back to Easter Road. Build the stadium now, I can tollerate a couple of years of dissapointment watching highlights on the internet. When I make it back I can have a comfy seat and we will have money to spend on players by then so should have a good team.
20

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 13:27:54
Apologies for intruding in advance!!

Appears the money is NOT in place as many claimed/no chance of work starting this season.(season ticket inducement misleading!). BTW steel prices are going through the roof but very much a 'red herring' as would not make the difference between building or not building. In summary you have been that busy worrying about the HEARTS that you cannot see what is happening on your own door step... you are being fleeced by Petrie etc.
Personally i do not think it matters a jot whether Hearts or Hibs build their new stands.
21

cabbage&ribs,

21/07/2008 13:33:42
#21 don't like your comment one bit, maybe we don't fill our stadium all the time, but that is no excuse for leaving the redevelopment of easter road incomplete. in my opinion the old east stand is out of date and needs replaced. and i think you'll find us scum as you call us, do notice our modern stadium and appreciate the effort the club have made over the years to get it to the stage we are at now. ggtth.
22

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:38:13
"finance director Tim Gardiner, focusing on the funding gap between which exists between club resources and what might be required."

Oh come on... the other three stands are clearly made out of stickle bricks... This sounds like Rod and Tom stealing money from your club to me.

A big bargain box of sticklebricks must surely be under twenty squids... What is really going on?

Tick Tock... Flats... yadah, yadah...

(Can I buy a brick?)


23

cabbage&ribs,

21/07/2008 13:39:25
#22 BELIEVE me, hibs do NOT worry about hearts. you are having a laugh.
24

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:41:48
#25

We will be having a laugh come the first derby though I reckon! :0D
25

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 13:45:58
#25 I stand corrected.... DID as opposed to DO(all the parasites have more or less dissapeared from Hearts threads). The penny has belatedely dropped!!!

26

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

21/07/2008 13:46:51
Amazing the difference a few weeks makes. Not so long since there was a steady flow of "Hearts going bust", now even Lenny is starting to fear for Hibs future.
When Hibs first starting flogging off the young talent Caldwell, Murray etc., they should have used the money to try to keep Thomson, Brown , Riordan, Killen for at least one more season. Great opportunity missed.
27

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:48:14
#27

"The penny has belatedely dropped!!!"

Aye that's as may be but... Rod'll catch it before it hits the ground, he can hear a penny escaping from 10,000 yards.
28

The Wookie,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:52:19


Sorry boys - but this is just "another" excuse to apease the masses..

1st it was - "Buy your season ticket or you won't get in....

Then it's "lets have a working party to decide what the stand should look like"

And now's it's the cost of steel has went up....

All this whilst the club with all the problems is just waiting on planning approval...

And don't come out with the line Hibs have already have planning approval because they havn't even submitted the design plans yet - they are at least 2 years behind Hearts in the process if they really have the ambition to complete the stadium....

29

Bigwull,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:53:20
What are they doing about the stand that is already falling down at the Dunbar end? has it been repaired yet?
30

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 14:00:04
Newsflash....

Chuckle brothers seen in converted icecream van, heading towards Easter Road.

Reports claim that Barry and Paul Chuckle have signed a contract to start work on the new stand at Easter road as soon as Mr Petrie agrees to pay them two cola bottles and a quarter pound of flumps.

Mr P. Chuckle gave us the following statement...

"Well you see we are excited about getting started on this project and Barry has brought all his stickle bricks."

Paul continued...

"These negotiations are quite normal and we should reach an agreement on payment soon... The only real sticking point has been on the amount of mashed potato Bodger and Badger (B+B Labourers inc) are to be paid for overtime.

More updates to follow...
31

cabbage&ribs,

21/07/2008 14:00:39
#29 more like 20,000. rod'ducks ar@e'petrie and his penny pinching board need to invest in the playing staff just as much as the rest of the club, or there will be alot of people wanting a word in his ear on match days.
32

Spamhead,

Bathgate 21/07/2008 14:06:18
#17 you don't even have the third best stadium in Edinburgh never mind Scotland. Hibs need to rebuild the stand for away fans there is clear daylight between the breeze blocks at the gable end nearest the main stand.

We have a lot of Liths that could do the labour on the cheap if you want, and I am sure half your fan base will be able to tar the carpark.

33

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 14:06:41
Newsflash...

Negotiations have apparently hit a last minute hitch between Mr Petrie and B+B labouring inc.

Here is what Mr B Adger had to say...

HEE HEE HEE, Everybody know's badgers like ... Mash Potato... No Poatoes no stand... HEE HEEE HEE!

34

rosco.1875,

21/07/2008 14:10:26
#36 Aye nae bother, sure Vlad is just counting the days until work starts on your £51m main stand...
35

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 14:12:14
#37

Oh cheer up will you... this is pretty tame innofensive fare to be honest compared to what we have had to put up with for two years from every brain dead troll with access to a PC.

Lighten up eh?
36

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 14:19:40
Newsflash...

Reports just coming in are that hibs' chairman: Rod petrie has ended negotiations with 'Chuckle Stadia Inc' and their subcontracted affiliates 'B+B Labourers', citing too big a difference in evaluation for the stand work to progress.

Mr petrie spoke exclusively to us...

"Well you see the Chuckle Brothers were obviously our first choice but the labouring company that they wanted to use were asking for three medium sized bowls of 'Smash' (mashed potato) and we just felt that we were being held to ransom really... i do not envisage this project going ahead anymore with the expertise of Chuckle Stadia Inc and so we have turned to our second choice team: 'Bugs and Daffy's Loony Stand expansion inc'... they come highly recomended and will work for carrots.


;oD
37

Lenny,

21/07/2008 14:36:02
Well, I dont think Hibs fans can complain too much at Hearts fans commenting on Hibs situation. They have put up with a fair bit of slaggings recently. Bottom line however is that both our teams look very poor at the moment. A bottom 6 battle looks on the cards at the moment.

Ronaldo, I dont fear for Hibs future. I do however think that the time is now to invest in the team. Hibs fans have been incredibly patient as all our star players were sold off to cut the debt and build the training ground. This was all understandable and most did stick by the board.

However, now its time to re-invest in the team.
38

Lenny,

21/07/2008 14:38:09
CJ

Football 'fans' talking on a website are not parasites (yes I know we have went over this before). You are more than welcome on this Hibs story.
39

Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 14:38:11
#28 Ronaldo wants to get Real

As usual, you have only a vague idea of the facts. Pay attention in class Ronaldo. Caldwell and Murray left Hibs to Celtic and Rangers at the end of their contract so Hibs received no transfer fee. Difficult to invest that in better contracts for others.
40

Trivial Pursuit,

21/07/2008 14:48:19
#39 jamboy
could you tell us your age please
theres a few wagers on it?
41

Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 14:50:22
I had the first post here more than 3 hours ago and I have come back online to find not much 'constructive' comments have been added. The usual nonsense from the usual suspects but thank goodness the Hallusionist is off on holiday. Maybe a shark will get him and we will be spared his empty space filling nonsense. Now however, I make no apology for repeating what I wrote earlier:

'The new stand is not going to get any cheaper in the future so I can't understand why the board are making these noises. The club has accumulated more than £11.0 million in transfer fees in the last 3 years so the money is substantially there. Get on with it I say!!'

It is obvious that the stand must be started before 2010 and, snce the bulk of the funds are there, then the board must stop procrastinating and get on with it. At the same time, decent players must be brought in while the promising young players (they are there Hibs fans) are gradually introduced. If I have one criticism of Mixu, its his idea that he hs to bring in average players just as long as they are experienced. I would rather see the hungry young players brought in and who knows, with the chance to play at the top level, another Whittaker, Thomson, Brown, O'Connor may come through and eventually be sold to balance the books. But bringing in the likes of Nish, Rankin, Van Zanten etc will not allow these young players to develop and the 3 mentioned will never be sold on for big money.

Come on Hbs board, get the right strategy. An exciting young team on the field, plus a couple of good signings leke Mowbray made, will ensure that the new stand pays for itself in increased attendances. I sit in the West stand and the quality there is like night and day compared to the old one.
42

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

21/07/2008 14:55:57
#42 Admittedly I don't pay close attention to Hibs transfers but if they let Caldwell and Murray go for nothing then its even worse than I thought. Hibs board have taken in a huge amount of money from transfers and invested nothing in players. That’s why even Lenny is really worrying about Hibs future.
Petrie's so called business acumen is nothing less than a smokescreen to cover his policy of flogging off anybody half decent to boost the balance sheet. The sole aim of this being to get the best return on TF's and his investment, when they sell the club.
43

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 14:57:00
LENNY correct on both counts football fans talking/and we have been there before... so no idea why you raise again. Same answer; I am referring to those that cross the line of 'talking'/engaging in football banter.
As you are well aware i do not post on Hibs threads but felt the irony of this story justified same(as acknowledged by your goodselve)
As i have said before PETRIE has enjoyed public acclaim(not just from Hibs fans) for the excellent financial performance of Hibs. Why.... with income from players any bookeeper could have done the same. ie gathered £millions & spent peanuts.... Hibs fans are being fleeced and a large % are blinkered by the fact that HEARTS have been in self destruct mode.

NB: not attempting to make any comparisons with Hearts/will not be on every day (or again) continually repeating my opinion.

44

? ? 7,

21/07/2008 14:58:49
Good post.
45

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 15:01:06
#43

I am 29 years old... Did you think I was a bit older and wiser than that? ;o)

PS: I am just having a wee lighthearted laugh mate, don't take it so seriously. the abuse that we have suffered recently from some folk makes my wee jest seem positively Homer like.
46

Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 15:04:37
#45 Ronaldo stuffed Fergie

Can't argue with the recent history. i.e. that by luck, a bunch of quality players came through and were all sold, albeit for good prices. Of course the players and their agents were instrumental in that process as well. Hibs have a sensible, if restrictive, wage policy balancing normal costs against normal income i.e. budgeting for trading break-even situation. The players involved were all on long contracts but wanted to double and triple their salaries and who can blame them for that.

The situation now is that the club has the accumulated funds from the windfall transfer income to complete the stadium development and be (mostly) debt free. The trick now and its a much more difficult one is to get a decent team back together to get the impatient fans back onside. Lets see if the board and coaching staff can do that!
47

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 15:07:15
#47 ??7.... thanks!
48

Lenny,

21/07/2008 15:11:17
How is it going Jamboy? Its a shame that we both have plenty to rip the other team about. Hibs and Hearts should both be battling at the top of the table every season.

As for the slagging, fair game as far as I'm concerned. What goes around....
49

ses,

Pencaitland 21/07/2008 15:19:53
Re #49

Although Hibs might have budgeted for breakeven, they have made good profits, around £700k, £1M and £1.5M I think, in 2005,2006, and 2007. I assume we will make a decent profit again for 2008, so I think it is time more money was set aside for the players wages so we can finally attract decent replacements for all the players we have sold.

If we keep the wage limit at around £2 or £3K basic, we will end up around 8th or 9th nezt season. Petrie has to be realistic - to finish 3rd the wagecap needs to be incresed NOW.

But then again, is the playing side really of any concern to Petrie?
50

Angus R,

21/07/2008 15:48:24
A spokesman from DFS has confirmed the new sofa should be delivered in a few weeks......
51

SouthSideHibs,

21/07/2008 15:54:48
Wookie, wrong mate.

Planning permission has been granted, matter of public record. This determines hight, width of new stand, which is currently a replica of the West in size/shape.

We can start building tomorrow, should we be able to sell Steven Fletcher and buy enough steel.

How's your 'application' coming along then?
52

SouthSideHibs,

21/07/2008 15:57:21
#52, you could also argue that Petrie has watched as both Collins and Mixu have both spent money on 'players' only for him to probably wonder why he bothered wasting his time and money; Collins bought Kerr and O'Brien and Mixu the incredible Zarabi. I could go on too.
53

The Wookie,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 16:03:38
54#..

Outline permission has been granted - this in theory gives you the opportunity to build a stand..

Planning permission has not been given as no final design has been submitted....

Hearts should get the go ahead late October - how it is funded is another matter...
54

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 16:04:33
SSH: wrong again.... you cannot start building until you have a building warrant. It is a matter of public record that you have not applied for same. Before you can you need to finalise structure/design etc.... you are months away from starting even if you did have finances in place.

HEARTS Planning application is progressing within the timescale you would expect for such a major project.

Will it ever become reality... who knows. Hope so as it will kill off the asset value of Tynecastle as anything other than a staduim.

##well thought through support of VR. Can you say the same re Farmer/Petrie?
55

Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 16:08:39
#55 SSH

Agreed. Of course if a board and the chairman appoints a manager they have to trust his judgement. So far Mixu does not have the greatest of track records. I think Mowbray only made one purchase apart from the peanuts spent on Sproule. That was Jones. But then Mowbray has the legacy of the previous maanager and youth development staff. One could argue that Bobby Williamson would have been more successful given another 2 years. However, the crowds would all have been at the cinema. It was Mowbray's brand of silky football that brought the crowds back and his inspirational free signings (apart from the goalkeepers!).
56

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

21/07/2008 16:09:26
#54 Building warrant in place? or is it a case of Outline Planning Permission only.
You have to hand it to Petrie, he certainly knows to duck and dive with the best of them.
57

Simon M,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 16:10:10
Shame that Farmer can find money to donate to the SNP, but won't stump up for a new stand.......
58

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 16:20:10
#51

Hi Lenny,

Yup and I would not expect anything less mate.

Diference is my wee jest is firmly tounge in cheek and meant more as banter than anything else. Some folk just can't laugh at themselves ever though eh?

For the record I would like to say 100% that i want both Hearts and Hibs to have new stands built at around the samr time and for us to be filling them with a successfull football team on display for both.

What did you make of that story about the ugly sisters coming together and sending duplicate letters regarding their intention to charge a cut of the home gate from the other SPL teams?

They are quite right to do so ofcourse since they have no competition in the SPL despite all the efforts they go to buy players from us at a fair price, fair decisions from referees and equal sharing of the TV money... I feel we owe them this extra quart of blood as a big thankyou.

Seriously though Hibs need to put a good side on the park now that they have virtually wiped out their debt in order to sell more tickets for games so that they can slash the Old Firm's ticket allocation aswell and replace them with Hibees or if the SPL fold or the OF play dirty then you will see them hoover up a fair bit of funding from Hibs home gates.

If this was to go ahead then you would want to slash their allocation and charge a fee for your fans attending their stadia... Rank rotten way to treat teams like ICT, Killie and St Mirren though I reckon who will have no such option in defence... Thoughts?
59

Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 16:27:47
Lenny/SSH/NO etc: as i have come onto Hibs thread (will not repeat) thought i would use the opportunity to enquire re SEASON TICKET sales at Hibs. No hidden agenda just interested in an indication as to how contented Hibs fans are(as opposed to bt perception of same)
Hearts circa 25% down on last years final figure is a fair reflection of last years performance(better than expected)
60

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

21/07/2008 16:33:07
#51 "Hibs and Hearts should both be battling at the top of the table every season."

Indeed they should - and when exactly are Hibs going to start doing that, as the club with the 4th largest support and fifth richest owner? Hearts have been the only one of the two doing so consistently since the OF took over the league ("top of the table" being relative of course.) Rather than measuring themselves against Hearts, Hibs should be looking at Kilmarnock's SPL record.

The problem Hibs have is they don't try to engage their fans. Supporting Hibs is a lifestyle choice for some people who say they support Hibs but rarely go to games. You meet these people all the time. They're like people who buy T-shirts for bands they've never seen live - because they think it's cool. Hibs need to engage supporters so more than 7000 turn up for a competitive home European game. Until they do that and show more ambition on the pitch, a new stand is meaningless.

61

Lenny,

21/07/2008 16:33:28
Jamboy, had a laugh when I read that article actually. As if its not enough that they get virtually all the tv money!!!

Thing is though, and I may be wrong, but I think that Hibs, Hearts & Aberdeen are the only ones that give Rantic a smaller % of the ground i.e. ONE stand. Im pretty sure at Killie etc they get both ends of the ground. I agree with giving them the one stand, but anything more is rediculous.

re Hibs putting a good team on the park, I fear that we may have to wait until they have built this stand. I understand the boards point of view that it is the final piece of the infrastucture, but they have widely over estimated the patience of the Hibs fans. I know people that are not renewing season tickets becouse of it.
62

Lenny,

21/07/2008 16:37:37
CJ

Many people I know havn't bought a ticket out of protest. They will if a few decent signings are made. I personally have mine so can't change that, however If I thought the team would not be improved then I would not have bought one.

Figures have not been announced but I would expect sales are down. Considerably.

and stop apologising for being on a Hibs story, its not needed. We are all Edinburgh football fans here.
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Lenny,

21/07/2008 16:38:09
# 63

Nice to see everything is rosey at Tynecastle again eh!?!?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

21/07/2008 16:43:29
#67 Nice to see Hibees ignoring their own problems. Seriously. 7000 for that game was ridiculous and here's HIbs fans moaning about no new signings. Hibs are rarely in Europe, they get in and get that kind of crowd when really it should have been 15,000 - first game back after the break, Euro opposition to boot... That extra 7000 would have helped in the search for players and shown the Hibs board the fans are willing to back them. Hearts fans, for all the criticism of them being sheep, have proved they will support the team.

Our CL games should never have been played at Murrayfield but by doing so Romanov proved his business case for the new stand as larger numbers turned out. Because of that, I have no doubt Hearts would fill the expanded stadium. Hibs may be flip-flopping over the new stand because they have not proved there is a business case for their new stand and the only people to blame for that are Hibs fans. It's not all rosy, but it's rosier. Is that OK?
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tomias,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 16:44:54
And one wonders why Scotland is so poor at sport-and I include football in that.
Yes alas the current story starts - Once upon a time-------
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Lenny,

21/07/2008 16:47:29
GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

Ignore our problems? Did you even read any of my previous comments. Honestly, what an @-rse you are.

Its rosier at Tynecatle than Easter Road??? Haha, cool then. Keep believing eh.
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

21/07/2008 16:53:34
#71 LOL
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

21/07/2008 16:54:12
#70 I've read your comments constantly comparing Hearts and Hibs and having wee digs. Now you've eased off as thing didn't exactly pan out the way you hoped at Easter road, much like it didn't for Hearts fans who got carried away when Burley was in charge. I didn't say things are rosier at Tynecastle than Easter Road, although now you mention it, I do think Hearts are looking stronger than Hibs for the new season and are certainly going into it in a more positive state of mind, which can count for a lot. It'll never last of course, but it's certainly different to have a manager bringing in his own people and talking tactics.
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Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 17:05:05
#73 Agree Lenny has changed course over the last few weeks.In fact if i was a Hibby i would be accusing him of selling the green & white jerseys....
anticipating request for explanation.... your reaction to Hibs position is both OTT & premature.
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

21/07/2008 17:10:29
#73 Things are really creaking at ER. Lenny has been incredibly pessimstic about Hibs. Like many I guess he is worried that TF/Petrie are just preparing the club for a sale.
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Old Reekies Big Team,

21/07/2008 17:20:52
Eleven thousand???????????????
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Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 17:49:41
#68 George Cowie

Re the attendance at Easter Road in early July. If my memory serves me correctly, the attendance was actually about 7800. This was not surprising as, historically, there is little interest in Scotland in the Intertoto Cup but other related factors were:

1) It was pouring rain all afternoon.

2) It was bang in the middle of the Edinburgh Trades fortnight.

3) The fans were, like the manager, not hopeful of a successful outcome it being so early and the team needing to be strengthened.

4) Although you say it was the first game of the season, the fans regarded it the same as pre seaon friendlies and those are typically not well attended, even against English Premier League opposition.

I would say the crowd was similar to that we would expect for an early stage League Cup match against lower league opposition. Even reduced prices did not help to drum up interest. Now, if Hibs had made a couple of interesting signings, the fans would have turned out in greater numebers although those that were in Spain or Ibiza still would not have been there!
The match was just played too early for Scottish fans habits.
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>>> Gnasher <<<,

21/07/2008 17:53:15
Cowie and kidd two scottish regulars were they not?
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

21/07/2008 17:54:33
GeorgeCowieorTotalBawheid.

and i quote-

#73 "I didn't say things are rosier at Tynecastle than Easter Road"

#68 "It's not all rosy, but it's rosier "

Cheers for that proof that you who no idea what you actually post, I figured you were a bit clueless.
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victorian of gorgie ,

21/07/2008 18:05:31
so let me get this right...... some of you are professing that you don't actually want a new stand now?

of COURSE you don't.

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Talk o' the Toun,

21/07/2008 18:08:09
Guiseppe: Are you 'bricking it' ?

#77 fair comment. think the issue is more to do with the sense in entering in the 1st place. Many Hibs fans point out that Hearts did not have the option... true, but Hibs only had the option because Dundde UTD & Aberdeen decided not to enter(realise irrelavant but have been meaning to mention before now). Suppose Hibs suffered from the luck of the draw ie meeting a decent side well into their season .
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>>> Gnasher <<<,

21/07/2008 18:13:40
Talk from a spoon#
I'm looking forward to the Hearts v Hamilton accies game are you.
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Mr Hankey,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 18:21:37
Why build a new stand? U Hubs should try and fill the one you have that'll be more of a challenge than the soaring cost of building materials and Mixu's diet the fat f**k
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kiwidoug,

22 in A Row. 21/07/2008 19:16:08
Cowdenbeath v The Cabbages!!

Mouth watering prospect.

Do you think Zibby will be playing?
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Gorgie's Finest,

21/07/2008 20:09:41
Deary dear, Just days ago we had hoobs on the Hearts threads like every other day giving at all large about your new stand and how good its going to be and how it would be finished before ours. A few days later and now Petrie has conned you lot into buying season tickets he tells you the cost of that stand is soaring etc etc, and as soon as you lot get a whiff that theres a very small chance it might not be built...you no longer want it.

Many of us told you some time back when the article appeared on here about Petrie saying to get your season tickets as the new stand would be started in January, that this was a ploy to sell tickets. We told you lot about the finances for the new stand that they were not there, we asked if your going to go ahead with it are ytou happy going into big debt again. we were shot down by many of you.

You say Jambos have their heads in the sand, at least we know what Vlads like and capable of....do any of you actually know what Petrie could be up to, or have you spent that long concerning yourselves with Hearts you have forgot what problems there are at your own club?

Rubbish manager
Rubbish squad
Millions of transfer fee money going where?
False promises
Duped into buying season tickets
No sign things are about to improve

Could almost say im speaking about another Edinburgh Team there couldnt you
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Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 21/07/2008 20:44:58
It has just occured to me, ( if someone has already posted on this, sorry) that the two "biggest" rivals to the "manky ones" are going to build new stands, thus increasing revenue, bigger, better crowds, (shame on both of them) more of their supporter, we will increase their ticket allocation to let more of (the shame) them in.Are they just trying to increase revenue to "off set" expenses, or are they trying a new ploy to keep other teams chances of increased revenue down (revenue not there for new stand if losing 5%) instead of paying 4-5 million for their best players.
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Gorgie's Finest,

21/07/2008 21:07:41
#86

I wouldnt increase any of their allocation, even with a bigger ground. They get well above the percentage of tickets entitled as it is, and even if we go ahead with the plans to reduce their allocation further to 750, that is still a higher percentage based on capacity than we recieve for ibrox or Parkhead.
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Forrest Gump,

21/07/2008 21:59:33
85 Gorgie's Finest,
And you lot are trouble free, with a classy manager, great squad of players, and money to spend,
and an owner who is a highland dancer,
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Forrest Gump,

21/07/2008 21:59:33
85 Gorgie's Finest,
And you lot are trouble free, with a classy manager, great squad of players, and money to spend,
and an owner who is a highland dancer,
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victorian of gorgie ,

21/07/2008 22:31:06
#85 GF, yep apparently they don't want it now, not now that it threatens to shatter the comfortable feeling that abounds about their club being the best run club of all time.

just watch the pendulum of contradiction swing back to wanting the stand again, if and when they get fed some vague assurances of it being affordable.

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victorian of gorgie ,

21/07/2008 22:57:20
#92, you haven't got the faintest idea of what you're talking about. show the quote. put up or shut up.

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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

21/07/2008 23:16:59
#79 Taken in the context of the post to which I was replying it's pretty obvious I was meaning rosier than before not rosier than at Hibs. Sorry, but Hibs are not the benchmark for most Jambos. If they were then we would be massive overachievers.
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victorian of gorgie ,

21/07/2008 23:24:31
#95, ok, we'll just take your word for it then.

better luck next time.

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Neutral Observer,

21/07/2008 23:57:21
#85 & Others

I think that you are mixing things up a bit here!

First of all, what the article actually says is that Hibs ARE committed to building the new stand and that they are looking intensly at costs and funding before pressing all the buttons. This, especially in the light of the fact that material costs worldwide have increased sharply since they made their earlier cost assumptions. Seems a prudent way to go about things to me.

Secondly, the bulk of the Hibs fans actually want the ground to be completed to the high standard that 70% of it already is.

Thirdly, I don't think most of the fans who comment here don't want the stand to be built. What they want is that some priority be given to expenditure on the team. A very valid argument! Albeit there are still a few who don't actually want the stand to be built and would rather suffer relatively primative conditions for the privledge of being to stand throughout the games in what is a relatively tousy section of the ground.

Please don't think that this minority is representative of the main body of Hibs fans. Having said all that, we still want a decent team on the park playing the kind of entertaining, fast flowing football that Hibs are renowned for.
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mark23,

22/07/2008 08:21:58
lots of Jealous Jambos on this story
Jealous that our board actually ask our fans what they think!
Jealous that our board are transparent with the plans for the club in the future.
Jealous that we actually have an idea of what's going on at our club.
Jealous we finished above you in the league.
Enjoy your supporting role(non acting) at the tynie circus next season!
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Lenny,

22/07/2008 09:15:25
Ronaldo,

Incorrect, I am not worried that the board will sell Hibs. Quite the opposite in fact, this is something that if it was for the good of the club I would welcome.
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Lenny,

22/07/2008 09:17:57
Talk o' the Toun

Nothing wrong with changing an opionion. I have been very patient with Hibs whilst all our top players are sold. I am now fed up with the situation, all we want is some investment in the team. And pretty much ALL Hibees I know feel the same.
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Talk o' the Toun,

22/07/2008 09:43:06
Lenny : there is nothing wrong with changing an opinion. IMO you should wait to see who HIBS sign 1st but understand the frustration.
Kindae contradicting myself as i have my doubts that the board will support signings of the quality required to improve.
However more concerned about HEARTS signings.

## BTW i genuially believe that there are signs of STF selling up. Not necescarily a bad thing .
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derek hibee,

Innerleithen 22/07/2008 09:48:09
the board are fleesing us we know we need to modernise the stadium they know it how much is the so called Fesabillity study costing could we not buy a defence or a keeper wi the money, £35 for a ticket for barca is UNreasonable but i paid who will cover the loss if we only sell 20.000 tickets not the board thats for sure. I wish they would just get on with it.

Build now because if we keep playing like we have for the last 3 games noboady will turn up any way.

Why is it if we can only sell 15,000 tickets that when i phoned the ticket hotline to tell them i had lost my tickets and could i be sent reprints i was told NO, this wont happen and the fact i have paid £70 for them is tough (Jambos). So be warned there will be no reprint of lost tickets and they obviously dont care that the empty seats will be an embarissment, because my empty seats have been paid for.
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Lenny,

22/07/2008 09:49:00
CJ

Time will tell mate, but likewise I have my doubts that the board is going to give Mixu the sufficient funds. Problem being I dont think Hibs need a few squad players, we need 4 or 5 first team starters. They may arrive and in the fickle world of football I will be all enthusiastic again. At the moment I am not h