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Drink puts a child a week in hospital



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Published Date: 25 January 2008
MORE than one Lothian school pupil is being admitted to hospital every week due to alcohol misuse.
New statistics show a total of 56 children under 15 were treated over the course of a year – though it is feared these figures might just be the tip of the iceberg.

Just over 60 per cent of the admissions were due to "acute intoxication".

The f
igures – released to the Evening News by ISD Scotland, the organisation for health information and statistics – show that last year's admissions were the highest in almost a decade.

In 1997, 70 children under 15 were admitted to hospital because of alcohol, but the numbers remained under 50 until 2006.

Twenty-seven of the youngsters admitted to hospital for alcohol-related conditions – which include everything from drink-induced accidents to suffering alcohol psychoses – were from the Capital, while 23 were from West Lothian. Only a handful were from East Lothian and Midlothian. It is not known how many of the children involved were repeat patients.

The recording of the admissions varies from hospital to hospital, and often when alcohol use is suspected but not confirmed, it goes unrecorded.

Tom Wood, chairman of the Edinburgh Action on Alcohol and Drugs team, said he believes the real picture is even bigger.

He said: "I'm surprised it's not higher because we know young people have been drinking more.

"Some of these statistics worry me a little because some people record them, some people don't.

"Saying that, we have to take them on face value and what it shows over the last ten years is that it's not going away, despite all our efforts.

"We have to continue the education in a meaningful and very direct way and remember that parents and grandparents have a hugely important role to play."

The Evening News revealed last month that more than 15 adults a day are admitted to hospital in the Lothians due to alcohol abuse.

Mr Wood fears children who are already hooked on alcohol will end up as one of these statistics.

He said: "There's no doubt at all that if you develop an alcohol habit when you're 14 or 15, the chances of dealing with it are much less.

"That's why it's so important to concentrate on young people's behaviour and not getting into these very hazardous habits."

Dr Fiona Watson, NHS Lothian's clinical lead for substance misuse, said: "There is no clear trend here in the numbers of young people admitted with alcohol-related issues, so we need to be careful about making assumptions based on these figures.

"Unfortunately, alcohol is relatively cheap and accessible and the way forward is to work with licensing boards and the Scottish Government to make alcohol less attractive and available to young people."



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  • Last Updated: 25 January 2008 11:27 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 12:54:28
"New statistics show a total of 56 children under 15 were treated over the course of a year – though it is feared these figures might just be the tip of the iceberg"

How is it the tip of the iceberg? If someone under 15 was treated for alcohol related problems then this would be recorded and would appear as part of the figure above. In this (rare) case, the statistic is 100% accurate.

56 under 15's a year is a tiny, insignificant figure. Most of that could be accounted for by the accidental drinking of alcohol in the home. How many kids under 15 were admitted because they had accidentally drunk bleach in the same period? Probably about the same number.

Im sick and fed up to the back teeth of knee-jerk morons pretending there is a problem when there clearly is not. And I'm even more incensed that their stupid ramblings are likely to affect ME by restricting MY choices and costing ME more money.

They can go to hell... The lot of them.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 13:02:44
"It is not known how many of the children involved were repeat patients."

Liars.

Of course it is known how many are repeat patients. Kids have names and addresses. It is highly unlikely that two of more kids would share the same name and address. Therfore if the same name and address pops up more than once, that is a repeat patient.

This is an example of using the psychology of propaganda to plant a seed in peoples' minds... "It is not known if..." Is read as "There there must be... ...and it is very significant."

Do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for that?
3

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 13:04:41
It seems that there is only one sensible comment in this article:-

"Dr Fiona Watson, NHS Lothian's clinical lead for substance misuse, said: "There is no clear trend here in the numbers of young people admitted with alcohol-related issues, so we need to be careful about making assumptions based on these figures."

Sums it up perfectly.
4

Randan,

25/01/2008 13:27:19
Dear Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head

If you think Scotland does not have an alcohol problem I think we should get the white van round to fit your straightjacket now.
Are you deliberately playing dumb or are you really that stupid?
5

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 13:35:37
#5:

No. I'm really that stupid.

Open your eyes man! Just because a few people drink too much and a few under age kids happen to either get caught, do stupid things or put their lives in jeopardy does NOT automatically mean that Scotland has a drink problem.

The vast, vast majority of drinkers don't get themselves arrested, don't cause fights, don't turn into alcoholics, don't kill people, don't assault their familes, don't p1ss against church doorways...

They may have a good time. They may, on occasions do daft things. They may, on occasions be a bit loud. They may (god forbid) throw a sicky the next day because of a hangover.

Articles like this only serve to put emphasis on the behaviour of the tiny minority. Publish enough of them and people start believing that there actually is a real problem. In some ways, they are correct. there IS a real problem for a tiny percentage of people. For the vast majority there is NO PROBLEM.

The vast majority should not have to suffer because of the irresponsible actions of a few. Ever.
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Randan,

25/01/2008 13:55:48
#6
Ask the NHS how much alcohol costs the nation.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 14:11:55
No idea in actual figures, but it will be a fraction of the sum taken in alcohol duty.

Like I say, some people have alcohol related problems. A tiny minority. The vast majority do not.

When people say that "Scotland has an alcohol problem" then by implication that includes people like me who happen to live in Scotland. I take exception to that because I do not have an alcohol problem and neither do tens of millions like me.

Any measures taken to address the alcohol problems of the few should be restricted to having an effect on those few---not everyone else. Calls for more restrictive licencing, high tax, less opening hours etc will do absolutely nothing to address the problems of the few but will instead affect the responsible majority.

Even the continual knee-jerk "crackdowns" on under age drinking are questionable. Is it not better for kids of 16 or 17 to be able to get away with being in a pub where they are under supervision and HAVE to behave themselves? Or is it better that they get their 18 year-old mates to buy them a bottle of cheap vodka and them to drink it un-supervised in a park somewhere?

Yes, I know the under age drinkers are breaking the law but provided they are behaving themselves, where is the problem? Sometimes you have to take common sense above the letter of the law.
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Randan,

25/01/2008 14:44:19
#8 ...' I do not have an alcohol problem and neither do tens of millions '
Tens of millions?!? In Scotland?!? I think you DO have an alcohol problem!

Alcohol problems are long term, and not just down to whether you get drunk underage or not.

The safe limits for alcohol - which are thought to be too high anyway - are regularly broken by a large percentage of the population.

Alcohol use has increased hugely in the last 25 years as alcohol has got relatively cheaper. As a result the NHS is seeing a huge increase in liver cirrhosis in young people in their 20s and 30s, when they expect to see it in people in their 50s and 60s.

Yes we do have an alcohol problem. A large number of the population are drinking too much, too often.
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DrN,

25/01/2008 15:41:50
"It is not known how many of the children involved were repeat patients."

Actually, that is correct.
From number of discharges presented, you cannot determine the number of repeat patients purely from looking at those figures.
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Randan,

25/01/2008 16:01:36
#13
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7208676.stm

and then follow a lot of the links and read the other articles.
Still don't think we have an alcohol problem
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 16:19:54
If you can't do anything but insult Mario, you loose the debate by default.

Randan #14,

I prefer to keep propaganda out of my life. Clearly you don't, which is why you cannot see the wood from the trees.

#12: If they are just looking at numbers on a piece of paper then you are of course correct. However if they were to perform this "study" properly then they would need to know the number of "repeats" accurately and this could easily be gleaned from the databases without breaching confidentiality. It just goes to show that what I've thought all along is true---this "study" is a sham.

Chairman Gordon seems to be the only other one talking sense around here.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 16:34:41
#9:

"The safe limits for alcohol - which are thought to be too high anyway - are regularly broken by a large percentage of the population."

Thought to be too high by who exactly? By anti-drinkers. That's by who. There is no such thing as a "safe limit" for alcohol. It simply cannot be defined. You can issue guidelines which is what these things referred to as "limits" nowadays always used to be in the past.

"Alcohol problems are long term, and not just down to whether you get drunk underage or not."

Correct.

"alcohol has got relatively cheaper."
I wholeheartedly dispute that---from personal experience.

There are many reason why there has been an increase in liver problems and I also agree that some people drink too much, too often however, that is STILL no justification to penalise those who do not have problems. And they are in the majority (ok, maybe not a tens of millions majority, but a vast majority all the same).
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shields,

25/01/2008 16:51:03
#13 - Can't find figures for Lothian but the total number of under-15s discharges with a diagnosis of drug misuse for all of Scotland during 06-07 was 25.

http://www.drugmisuse.isdscotland.org/publications/07dmss/07dmss.pdf

So less than half the number of under-15 alcohol discharges in Lothian alone.

Given that alhohol is far more widely used than any illicit drugs in Scottish society (among adults and children) this isn't too surprising.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/01/2008 20:44:48
I take it that #18 is aimed at me Mario.

I can do the maths, but I still have vehement objections to price rises which are not justified, apart form knee-jerk, political correctness.

As an example, 10 years ago, the price of petrol was steadily rising---only a few pence a litre at a time, but steadily rising nevertheless. With each price rise, it only meant an increase of a couple of quid or so to fill up my 20 gallon tank.

Looking at the situation today, I put £20 of petrol into my tank. 10 years ago, that would have meant that I had put nearly 40 litres in. Today, I only put just less than 20 litres in.

THAT is the effect of tax/duty increases. It is insideous and creeps up on you. The anti's justify it by saying "oh well it's not that much really", completely ignoring that fact that the recent increase compounds the increases made earlier. If the Alcohol Antis had their way, in 10 years time we would be paying the MINIMUM of £6 -- £7 for a pint of beer and that is just totally rediculous.

I've not bothered working out what effect any given percentage increase in the price of a pint would have on my spend on a night out. If I did it would probably be so small as to be trivial. However, If I had to suffer that safe rise, year in, year out, it would make an enormous difference.

The bottom line is that I cannot see myself or my behaviour reflected in the (probably exaggerated) reports which say "Scotland has an alcohol problem" and I suspect I am in the majority. Why should we have to suffer AT ALL because of the actions of the minority?
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The Fly Fifer,

Fife 25/01/2008 21:24:29
I look forward to the day when a drunk underage child trying to light a cigarette while speeding in a stiolen car runs into a close female relative of Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head.

Then he will see there is a problem up close and personal.

If we were to live by his rules it would be anarchy
16

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 25/01/2008 22:52:25
#2,3,4 and more! "Alternative (High Octane)"

Perfect absolutely Perfect, your comments on this one are.
I agree with all you say!

Whats better, I don't need to say anything, you said it all for me!

Thanks, appreciated.

CL.

 

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