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Sorry end to wasteful season for Hearts



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Published Date: 14 May 2008
Gulf in class is plain to see as current crop of Jambos squander talents two years to the day since Scottish Cup was lifted.
YOU MUST BE JOKING: Hearts midfielder Fernando Screpis appeals referee John Underhill's decision to send off team-mate Gary Glen (behind  Kyle Naughton) during last night's season-ending 1-0 defeat against lowly Gretna at Fir Park.
YOU MUST BE JOKING: Hearts midfielder Fernando Screpis appeals referee John Underhill's decision to send off team-mate Gary Glen (behind Kyle Naughton) during last night's season-ending 1-0 defeat against lowly Gretna at Fir Park.



Gretna 1 - Hearts 0

TWO slovenly moments of play from Kestutis Ivaskevicius epitomised Hearts' season last night. At the end of a feckless campaign, even seeing off relegated Gretna became unworkable for the Edinburgh club.

Ivaskevicius, a second-half substitute, first shot weakly at goalkeeper Artur Krysiak on 79 minutes. He had manoeuvred into position at the back post for Larry Kingston's low cross but, from four yards, his shot betrayed a lack of conviction which has characterised Hearts' season.

In stoppage time a speculative long ball from Ryan McGowan, making his competitive debut, bounced favourably for the Lithuanian to strike just outside the Gretna penalty area. Again he laboured getting on to it, and seconds later Gavin Skelton was collecting Nathan Taylor's pass at the opposite end before lashing the winning goal beyond Steve Banks. It was the culmination of a year to forget in which too many Tynecastle players have been guilty of wastefulness, mostly relating to their own talent. Perhaps poignantly, this match took place two years to the days since a considerably more celebrated Hearts team won the Scottish Cup by defeating Gretna on penalties. The irony of Skelton's missed spot-kick that day and his winner last night wasn't difficult to miss.

Gary Glen's ordering off on 25 minutes had a debilitating effect on the visitors' attacking intentions but losing the decisive goal in the 93rd minute left interim manager Stephen Frail cursing his players.

"Disappointing doesn't even come close," he said. "If you were a betting man, you could have bet on that the way our season's gone. From day one, the Monday night game against Hibs, it just summed up everything that's happened this year.

"I don't think we played anywhere near the way we can. They started the match better and when Gary got sent off we upped the tempo.

"In the second half we had two or three good chances and should have been 1-0 up.

"The lad Ivaskevicius should have shot late on but didn't and within 20 seconds they are 1-0 up. I think that 20-second period sums up our whole season.

"I've said to the players that, whoever is here in terms of management, it has to be 100 per cent better. That isn't good enough for us. It's a sorry end to a sorry season."

Glen was red carded following an altercation with Gretna's Craig Barr. The pair strenuously contested a loose ball before becoming entangled near the main stand touchline.

The teenager's foot appeared to catch his grounded opponent on the head as he strove to free himself.

He was rightly ordered off but watching referee John Underhill indicating a stray elbow as the reason was somewhat baffling.

Gretna's application throughout the match facilitated a deserved victory to complete their maiden SPL campaign, and possibly their entire existence. The hosts' fervour was immediately obvious from kick-off as they hustled and harried their way through the opening quarter-hour until Nicky Deverdics passed up a blatant goalscoring opportunity. Christos Karipidis misjudged Rhys Meynell's low cross and Deverdics found himself unmarked but could only stroke the ball past Banks' left post from an eight-yard distance.

The evening then swung towards a more controversial tone with Glen's dismissal. Skelton indulged in a similar, if less obvious, offence on 34 minutes but was only cautioned, causing the travelling support to justifiably question what differences Underhill saw between the incidents. Gretna's dominance continued through to the interval by dint of some insightful attacking movement which Hearts found difficult to counter.

Banks smothered a header from Barr before Rostyn Griffiths had a goal disallowed for offside, emphasising the notion that the visitors were fortunate to reach the interval without conceding. Their only noteworthy first-half moment was a speculative shot from Deividas Cesnauskis which Greg Fleming parried safely away.

Hearts re-appeared with evidently greater desire and fashioned a fine opening on 68 minutes through a combination of Kingston and Jamie Mole, the latter playing as a lone striker following Glen's departure. Their interchange of passes resulted in Mole striking a powerful effort at Fleming, which the goalkeeper did well to repel.

McGowan was introduced for his competitive debut to replace Marius Zaliukas, the Lithuanian departing with a head injury. Moments later, the young Australian instigated Hearts' best forward foray of the evening. He skilfully meandered from defence past a plethora of opponents to arc a loping pass in behind the Gretna defence for Kingston. His low cross landed perfectly for Ivaskevicius to tap home at the back post, however the Lithuanian somehow contrived to miss with a tame strike four yards out which Krysiak, the substitute goalkeeper, stopped.

From then on, anyone could have scripted Gretna's finale. "It was emotional and a sad day, really," said Skelton, who left the pitch through a guard of honour organised by his colleagues. "I was touched by what the lads did, there was no need for that because it's not about me, it's about Gretna Football Club," he continued.

"Hopefully they will survive but I can't praise the lads and the management enough over the last few weeks. It's been a difficult time and we've all grown into stronger people for it. It's two years to the day since I missed that penalty. It's funny how things happen like that. The lads are saying Roy of the Rovers and stuff like that. I just wanted to smash it as hard as I could.I knew it was going in before it got there and it was a nice way to finish. If this is the end, at least we've finished on a high."

Fir Park officials opened only the main stand, resulting in Hearts' lowest-ever SPL crowd of 1090. The echoes around the empty stands made for an eerie ambience at times but Frail's haunted look at full-time was for vastly different reasons.

His own position remains uncertain for next season but he already knows the areas in which the team requires strengthening. "I thought young Jamie Mole worked incredibly hard but he's a young lad, as is Glen. We need help up there for them," he explained.

"I wish the season was still going on to a degree because it gives you time to try and put things right. But I'm also glad it's finished. It's going to be a long summer."





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14/05/2008 11:46:21
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 11:54:56
Any word on last night's official attendance?
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 11:56:10
ah i see it, 1090. Very impressive. I take it that also includes stewards, officials and players?
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 11:58:59
"I wish the season was still going on to a degree because it gives you time to try and put things right. But I'm also glad it's finished. It's going to be a long summer."

make your mind up stevie! Dont worry there is always next year you know you will still be there and as you have said about a million times if you look at the record since January you are 3rd in the league.


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Lenny,

14/05/2008 12:05:22
# 4

Get with the times. Dont you know that McGhee is a certainty? Or that he will be allowed to spend anywhere between 10 & 15M on players? Thats becouse they are a big club you see.
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Eighteen Seventy-Four,

14/05/2008 12:08:20

Joke of a season rounded off with another joke of a performance.

Frail not good enough for 1st team coach.
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14/05/2008 12:08:27
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 12:13:06
Jambo Folks,

Dont be such bad losers. If Hibs got beaten by Gretna and finished 8th in this p#ss poor league the Jambos would be all over the Hibs stories and you know it. In fact earlier in the season we even got critisised for beating Gretna 4-2!!!!

Do you really expect Hibs fans not to enjoy this after all the wee team cr@p we have had to put up with over the last few years.
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We love fitba,

google! 14/05/2008 12:14:09
Victorian, don't worry... in your own way, you're frequently hilarious.
10

Jamboy,

edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:18:35
#1

Labas Serg'

Thought you would want him back at FAB Kauno, for bif happy at League of champions assault... You are an incredible bore.
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Conran,

Husref Musemic's twin brother 14/05/2008 12:18:59
#10 Len

On the contrary, if hibs were beaten by Gretna and finished 8th in the league I would have very little to say about it and wouldn't be surprised at all to be honest. Lets face it, the fact you lot are on Hearts pages is because you are surprised to be above us for a change.

I have never commented on a hibs story because they are not significant enough to me. I get to gloat far more when we hang about your stadium waiting for wee cups and trying to wonder where you all were on the biggest semi final of our time.
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£38.5 million down and bottom 6 hahahaha!,

14/05/2008 12:19:24
Congratulations to Gretna on winning the Pub Team Derby in front of a massive 1090 fans!! And congrats to the Yams for giving us some great comedy moments this season.
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wee162,

Sunny Leith 14/05/2008 12:19:32
The Jamtards entire record against the "wee-est" side ever to play top flight football.

P5 W1 D3 L1 F5 A4

Big team...

We Own The Capital
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The Wookie,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:21:22
10: Len...

What a season - delighted to see the back of it!!!

Dinnae worry - normal service will be resumed once I come out of my therapy with the Samaritans
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:22:07
#14

Hello Dubs/Riley etc... Hows the cruise going?... snigger.
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Hearts00,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:22:19
Utterly atrocious result and season.

To say that a massive clearance and whole new coaching set-up is needed is an understatement. I was saying that two seasons ago.

Will definitely not be renewing my season ticket (and quite frankly am unlikely to attend any games next season) unless a proper manager (McGhee, Jefferies, Levein, Davis) is appointed by pre-season with a budget and complete control.

The fall from a 2nd place finish and cup win defies reason.

Burely as Scotland manager, with Pressley as his coach, Hartley winnning medals last year with Celtic, Bednar being instrumental in WBA going to the Premiership, Lee Jonson and McAllister moving to within one game of the Premiership last night...Romanov you are an idiot and have thoroughly embarrassed us and yourself and have got everything you deserved.

Does he learn and make it right? Or do we drift and at some point find ourselves in the first division flirting with going out of business!!!!!
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:23:18
#15

Hope you are 12, We own the capital?

Surely only a child could be so sad.
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Jambo Number 1,

14/05/2008 12:23:45
I wish I was in the top 6 like Hibs and could win no games - The fact of the matter is that Hearts have had their worst season in recent memory and we are only 4 points behind the lochend Brazil.

Hibs fans - I personally don't care what you think. No Hibs fans could make me feel worse about my club than I already do.

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Lenny,

14/05/2008 12:24:09
Conran,

You may have never commented on the Hibs sotries but trust me when Hearts were going well the Jambos were ALL over them. Pre season was fun, where Jambos were saying hibs would be relegated and Hearts would challenge for the League. Of course, there are somewhat less gloating Jambos on the Hibs stories at the moment seeing as your team are such a shambles.

Im not surprised to be above Hearts, you only have to look at the first team to tell how poor it is. Hibs ay not be great but its plain for anyone to see we are better than Hearts.And not just on the pitch either.

But there you go again with your 'wee cup'. Bitter bitter Jambo. A cup that every team in Scotland tries to win apart from Hearts it would apppear.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 12:25:51
The Wookie

Hello, yeah I bet your glad to see the back of it.

Pre season is good, will give Frail a chance to get his coaching badges for nexts seasons campaign... ; )
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sangriaboy,

malaga 14/05/2008 12:26:23
The starthclyde police are still trying to find the 50 odd thousand fans that attended the hampden final from last night.

the jambos are a total disgrace.How does that song go,...sing when youre winning...
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:27:01
#18

Agree completely, you cannot argue when you look at the success of the guys that Vlad has deemed surplace to requirements... Meanwhile we have to watch a bunch of disinterested bomb scares mincing around the park in the hope that vlad will be able to sell them on to a club with a decent management structure which might be able to get a performance out of them... Pig sick.
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capy,

embra 14/05/2008 12:36:42
anyone for cricket!!
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Newcastle Jambo,

14/05/2008 12:37:53
"The lad Ivaskevicius" isn't good enough for the Third Division. Screpis doesn't appear to be either. Perhaps Vlad values both at £8m though, nothing would surprise me anymore.
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InsideOutside,

14/05/2008 12:38:11
Lenny,

Have you nothing better to do with your time? Shouldn't you be dreaming of the famous five and the days when Hibs were actually good? Were you even ALIVE then?

I must say, i find the level of interest in Hearts from Hibernian supporters absolutely incredible. Your continued postings, comments and general jibes are more an indication of your inferiority complex than the claimed you post on our stories so we'll post on yours. Again, an indication of your level of intellect by resorting to playground retorts.

Really Hibees, surely it's time to invest your no doubt valuable time to your own team and concern yourself with it's own problems. A single good season against Hearts doesn't hide a lifetime of pain, envy and the statistical FACT that your team is considerably less successful.

I await the response with great interest.
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The Wookie,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:39:46
22~ Len...

I hope Frail is just in the backroom when pre-season starts...He never stood a chance when you have waisters like Elliot coming out saying how happy he was that "Shaggy" was the manager.....

If you guys could only get Sir T to tell Rod to spend 3/4 million on 3 or 4 good players I think you could really push the bigot brother alls the way next season!!!
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:41:11
overpaid
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:41:22
gutless
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:41:34
over-rated
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:41:41
unfit
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:42:05
prima donnas
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 12:42:13
wage thieves
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Conran,

Husref Musemic's twin brother 14/05/2008 12:43:14
#21 Len

I am not bitter at the wee cup victory at all, I would loved Hearts to win it any year of course but I make reference to it only in jest at our sit-in which, along with 98 win, was one of my best days as a Jambo because the hibs were gloating soo much about getting to parade it on the day you played us. Spoiled that for you didn't we?

Your other comments may be true because like I say I never comment on a hibs page and honestly the last one I read was when JC left.
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just a jambo,

14/05/2008 12:44:29
re post 29 agreed, except we beat them last derby.
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just a jambo,

14/05/2008 12:44:35
re post 29 agreed, except we beat them last derby.
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InsideOutside,

Petrie's Secret Bank account in Switzerland 14/05/2008 12:46:11
Eskbank,

I simply try to appeal to the few brain cells that actually function within their heads. There is enough going on at Fester Road. I have NO interest in Hibs whatsoever, absolutely don't care. I don't want them relegated nor to have any (serious) financial problems as I enjoy the derby far too much. However, I simply don't care about the team, the squad or the management.

Why do they care so very much about Hearts. Hibs fans are often the first posters on these EEN articles - Why?



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jambo1,

Rotherham 14/05/2008 13:58:20
wish people (part time hearts fans) would stop from blaming frail for the failure of players after each defeat suffered, he would have been the best since sliced breed had hearts been winning all the time
is there anyone out there that thinks they could have done a better job? NO/? THEN SHUT THE HELL UP YOU LOT DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 13:58:44
InsideOutside

First things first, Hibs have not had a good season. So you can leave off with that stuff.

Secondly, its banter dude. You know, two teams fans having a bit of a go at each other. THe Jambos seemed well up for a bit of banter when things were going well. Not now though.
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Chas Niceass,

14/05/2008 13:58:52
What a waste of a year really. These last 5 games meant very little so I wont read anything into them, 7th 8th who really cares.
Interesting that against the bottom 2 sides we picked up only 6 out of 24 points, effectively the difference between European football and finishing 8th.
Seems some at Tynie believe they are too good, time for them to move, if anyone would have them.
But for ourselves, time for a MANAGER and before June 30th, he must have time to sort this lot out, a month MIMIMUM.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 14:00:30
InsideOut

And of course I am too young to have seen the Famous Five. My Grandad did however, and he was a Jambo. He would goto see Hibs one week and Hearts the next. I bet he could take a bit of banter without crying though...
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14/05/2008 14:02:51
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 14:03:34
Hi Chas how are you? Not as down and gloomy as some of the Jambos on here I hope.

I think the whole of next season for Hearts depends on if/who the new manager is.

I have heard that Hearts have no reserve team coach and that Frail actually runs the training for everyone. Any idea if that is true? Pretty disgraceful if it is.
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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 14:04:34
42

I will be round at yours tonight to steal your brazillian footy tree and then i am heading straight to tynie to uproot the MONGO BUSH that seems to be growing on the pitch along side the NOT WORTH THE WAGES WEEDS and pop your tree in its place.

i will however leave the money tree as i think that our debt at tynecastle is really only the one reason the hobo's have to get up in the mornings.
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14/05/2008 14:05:12
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Chas Niceass,

14/05/2008 14:05:40
#43 Frail paints a forlorn picture, beaten into submission, I dont think he's the man to lead long term, he did a decent stop gap job, but the players clearly dont fear him. Vlad is still running the show by fear, perhaps he doesnt pick the team to the same extent but I get the distinct impression Frail doesnt want to upset him.
Either way you want to look at it, McGowan and Rapnik should have been in last night instead of Zaliukas and Karipidis, nothing new to learn there, and why Ivaskevicius off the bench, there was nothing to lose, throw on someone else for experience.
I'm guessing even the 16 yr old was merely a publicity stunt initiated from above Frail.
Its time to change and it has to be now, or the fans aren't coming back until Vlads gone, just like his predecessor.
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HIBSBY,

14/05/2008 14:06:54
#37 You did not make the top 6, so did not turn up for final game at Easter Road. May 2006 - 51,000 watch Hearts v Gretna, May 2008 - 1,090 Watch Gretna v Hearts. Enough said.
Also you will become famous in pub quizzes. Question - who was the last team Gretna beat before going defunct ?
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Prof,

14/05/2008 14:07:43
Season's over- thank god. As the Hibbies would say, everything in last season is in the past and we have to work toward restoring ourselves in top 3. Its not that difficult - Hibs have gone as far as they can, Aberdeen are never going to do anything decent and the Arabs have been caught out. Important thing is to get a good coach in -Frail's inexperience was there for all to see.
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Chas Niceass,

14/05/2008 14:10:57
#48 Lenny, it is true and he looks a broken man. McCann has been assisting to some degree but he's off to be Yogis latest Boo Boo. Its a sorry state of affairs.
Hearts fiercest rival for the last 2 seasons have been themselves, sensibly run, they would outstrip most sides, thats not being arrogant, the talent is there but its hopelessly mismanaged.

Its only a game though, dont like agreeing with daily rants of Sir Serg, but it would be no surprise to see Malofeev in the summer camp, perhaps with some disguise!
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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 14:11:01
48 afternoon Hobo gaylord (i still enjoy the banter)

i have also heard that frail coaches the reserves and would like to think this is going to be his main (only)job next season.

Can someone also correct me if im wrong (apart from riley/bubblin/serg/spl ect ect as they are all sausage jockeys) but i was under the impression that the coaching badges actually take two years to complete?
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 14:12:50
Prof

"Hibs have gone as far as they can"

Really? 5th is as far as Hibs can go. Christ, its the end of the season for you guys. You can stop talking your b@llocks now surely?

Is it not more likely that the 2nd place finish is as far as Hearts can ever go? Serious question.
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Block F Wheatfield Stand,

14/05/2008 14:13:07
The whole management team should be sacked immediately as they have proved they are not good enough. Frail has not made the step up from the players best pal to the head coach. Players still refer to him as shaggy which shows lack of authority. The effort and fight shown in the last three games of the season was scandalous and the football played has been laughable.
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Indie Rep Kid,

14/05/2008 14:15:17
#50 "As i said i spoke quite a few people last night some ove known for a while others as you do you just start chatting to there are plans being talked about to start a serious campaign against Vlad if he does not bring in the promised manager/players etc etc. The general feeling among many is wait until pre-season (Although not my wishes i would prefer it started now) "

What would the focal point be? We've had 19 home games to do something and yet the fans just drift away, moaning.

I am up for a campaign directed at the Bank.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 14:15:50
Chas

I actually agree with you. With the wages Hearts are paying compared to other teams 3rd place should have been the minimum target. I guess the wage bill will be reduced by next season however.

Time shall tell, but I do fail to see the optomisim some Jambos have for next season.
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Tic Toc..... sell the big pink bus shelter,

14/05/2008 14:15:54
I cant help but laugh at the amount of hearts fans complaining about hibs being on there threads....lets face it it happens to both teams.

Its a banter....this is the 2nd time I have posted on hearts thread but its not to gloat but state a few facts.

We have both been p*sh this season and should not brag. however hibs went 12 games undefeated and were playing good football so deserved to be top. Then JC lost the plot and IMO picked the wrong 11 every week due to him losing the dressing room again which resulted in a bad run of form. however we pulled it bag and should be proud that it was turned round. Yes we have not won a game since being in the top 6 but the top 6 teams were all fighting for something which made games difficult.

Hearts however have been consistantly bad and have had over 1 year to do something about it. They chose not to have proper manager in place and IMO it has cost them dear. From there last 5 games against the bottom 6 how many points have the won??????? do you think you would have won more games if you were playing top 6 teams.......

I look forward to next season when hopefully Mixu will bring in some new blood and hearts will put a manager in place that gets to run the team his way. Then hopefully we can have a banter about who is best and who is going to get 3rd or better. Instead of who had the most empty seats and who is in the most debt...

GGTTH
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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 14:20:03
#58 PUT THAT BOTTLE OF PETROL AND LIGHTER DOWN!

I think that it should start at the club and then (if nothing is done before the new season re manager) we should look to take it forwards.

Hit him in the pocket via season tickets and how about a boycott of the 1st home game of the season?
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Langenburger,

14/05/2008 14:23:31
Probably the right end to a bad season.
All Romanov has ever wanted is profit and because his expectations are now heading the wrong way for him and his cronies he will consider calling in his loan.
Our only weapon is to hurt him in the pocket because that will bring the end faster.
Don't buy the season tickets and get ready for New Hearts - wherever we play.
Hearts will live on long after Romanov has put us into receivership
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LyonHearts,

le teil 14/05/2008 14:23:45
I feel sorry for the players as they are obviously talented enough, but they don't have the right leadership!

Our idiot owner is entirely to blame! Even after all this time he doesn't realise that his interference has nearly destroyed our club!

Stupid and dangerous at the same time! How to turn a silk purse into a sows ear in three seasons!
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Eighteen Seventy-Four,

14/05/2008 14:33:50
43.Jambo1. Do you want Frail still in charge of the 1st team next season ? Our bottom 6 record speaks for itself.

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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 14:36:18
#65 Bublin

Are you REALLY SPL's fluffer?
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The Manager,

Ukio Bankas, Castle Street 14/05/2008 14:39:33
#58

Do not even think about turning up here with your placards and stupid songs.

The police will cart you back off to school before you can say "Vlad out".

It's this institution that's funding your team, so any disrespect and Mr Romanov will seriously look at pulling the plug.

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Prof,

14/05/2008 14:41:00
#56 as you yourself said - 5th would be good finish and Hibs are running a very tight ship with only limited money available for transfer. Given Hibs history in the SPL - I am not surpised you are pleased with 5th . But Hibs will never be challenging for top 3.
Thing is Hearts have and will again. Yes we have had one bad season but being a big club we'll be back there.
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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 14:45:59
Aw bublin you are great, i know i can always come on here and get a bite from you, Predictable as ever!

Oh hold on! give it five mins and you will EXPLODE, get banned and then blame someone else who "cloned you"...........
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Chas Niceass,

14/05/2008 14:48:15
Who has the bottle to challenge Rangers and the bias there, same thing applies to Hearts with Vlad.
Both are bullies and both need to be sorted out.
As far as Vlad is concerned, the penny is going to drop with ticket sales, I'm certain he wont enjoy sales down by a good few thousand.
I wish he'd sell and let me get back to an existence where at least I could have some sort of guess what happens next.
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Smasher,

14/05/2008 14:57:52
Mr Frail should be given more time. He has been running the team with his hands tied behind his back. I think he shows loyalty, advanced tactics and the players seem to like him. Get off his back, stop moaning and let him get on with his job. Another full season at least. I have bought my season ticket already and am really looking forward to having a terrific time. I'm obviously not a hertz fan and my season ticket is for ER. I'd hate to be a hertz fan. How can you lot slag the players when you can hardly pronounce their names. Brilliant comedy. Frail must stay, Frail must stay.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 15:00:04
Prof, nah Im sorry mate but you are just an @rsehole. No where at all did I say 5th would be good.

You are basically saying that Hibs can never finish in the top 3. You are talking complete and utter nonsense.

Reasons why your talking cr@p (again)

a) Hibs have one of the best financial records in the League
b) We have one of the best training facilities in the League.
c) Our average crowd is better than all the teams currently above us bar Old Firm.
d) New stand will be build leaving us with the best stadium outside the old firm.
e) We have a record of producing some of the best young players in Scotland.

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wee162,

Sunny Leith 14/05/2008 15:03:17
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You hope I'm 12? Are you Graeme Rix or something?

We Own The Capital
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 15:27:26
JT&T

Hi Mate, Im just grand today thank you.

c) Why do you think I said the teams above us ; ) Oh, Im pretty sure Hibs have a higher average than Aberdeen though. And Hearts count empty seats....

d) I dont mean this in a cheeky way, but this is Hibs,not Hearts. The Stand WILL be built. Not something I am overly pleased about to be honest. Im a bit of a Terrace lad.

e) Point taken, and thats exactly why I originally said we produce SOME of the best youngsters. I fully expect the Scotland team for years to come will feature Brown, Thomson, Whittaker, Fletcher. Thats not to mention other players such as O'Connor, Riordon, Miller etc. There can be no arguments that Hibs do produce good youngsters.

I honestly think you have taken my post in the wrong way. It wasn't written or intended as a Hibs v Hearts thing. Prof said Hibs can't finish in the top 3 and I was highlighting reasons why that is nonsense.
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Libra Hibby,

14/05/2008 15:45:43
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Believe it Vic, you are.
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 15:47:56
79 JT&T reading through the post I can only see one point that you may possibly match us on and that is the average attendance. Lets wait and see what the average attendance is for next season though.

I would also be keen to hear about the fruitful spell Hearts had producing young players? Apart from Craig Gordon which I would consider more lucky than anything else who else??

As for Vlad being worth a lot more and being able to accrue more debt, it seems as though you are claiming this to be a positive thing? At just under 40 million already how much more do you think Vlad is going to flush down the pan?
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Xacobeo Hearts,

Galicia, at work and still fed up! 14/05/2008 15:49:06
Was going to add another comment today but once again I've reached the point where I can't really be bothered anymore.

So I do believe I'll just untilise the cut & paste function, it's still relevant anyway even if I'm even more hacked off today::

OH dear!

Oh deary, deary, deary me!

..and so ends the most ignominious of seasons!

Not a moment too soon either.

In fact not nearly soon enough - about 37 matches and 87 minutes worth of not NEARLY soon enough.

Utterly and completely dire on every front.

Highlights of the season:
1)It being over
2)...erm stuggling now, but maybe a taxi driver over here actually knowing that when I said I was a Heart's fan that meant supporting a team called "Heart of Midlothian".

My Hearts high point of the season. Well that one's totally easy - has to be Depor beating Barça 2:0

...the Xacobeo Hearts flag was at the Riazor after all!!!

In other words nothing at all to do with the crud on display back home all season long.

Thank God its over.

...and next season.

Yes I most surely CAN wait for it all to begin again.

Footie, it's a good old laugh ain't it?

PS congratulations to Gretna on the win by the way - I sincerely hope this isn't your final curtain and you mange to survive in some form or other. I'll always have fond memories of the teams going round the Hampden pitch together to applause from both sets of fans.

PPS: Would be interested to hear abouts anyone else's ideas for "highlights of the season"

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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 15:51:22
81 Motherwell have managed to finish 3rd. I would hardly say that they have broken the bank to achieve this. In reality, outside the old firm there is very little difference in the next 10 teams barring gretna. Clubs have to rely on team spirit, togetherness, drive and passion and also consistency is the key. All of which have been drained from Tynecastle hence the reason they have the 3rd highest wage bill in SPL and have finished 8th.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 15:53:33
#80 It's not hard to believe Hibs are incapable of finishing in the top 3. They've done it very rarely, and the question Hibees should be asking (if they weren't so obsessed with Hearts finishing in the position you'd expect with the way the team is run) is:

Why have Hibs failed to finish in the top 3 in the last 3 seasons, especially this one, when they've had great opportunities to do so - great manager, great young players, etc? Not only that, but HIbs have abandoned their flair football philosophy, are not producing the same quality of youngsters, have a team packed with second-rate foreign players and their previously good disciplinary record has plummeted under Mixu. These are valid questions Hibees should be asking, instead of focusing on Hearts - when we at least have very valid reasons for our predicament - no manager and a team consisting of too many overpaid, underachieving players.

And the argument of Hibs doing the best they can with comparably poor resources to Hearts doesn't wash; Hearts have only had money to spend over the last couple of years. What was Hibs excuse before then? Hibs in fact have more money kicking around than Motherwell and Dundee UTd, who both look more likely to push on if they can keep their managers.

Face it, Edinburgh football in general has taken a dive.
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Grumpy Chops,

Dreamland 14/05/2008 15:54:10
Believe Believe BELIEVE HA HA HA!
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 15:59:15
#87 You're part of the reason why Hibs won't do anything. The Hibs board know that Hibees are happy - ecstatic - if they finish above Hearts. Anything else is a bonus. All they have to do is read these comment pages to see that. Therefore, they don't attempt to take the club further.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 16:01:20
JamboThrough&Through,

Its quite simple really. There IS still some debt. The cash for the players sold went towards the existing debt (which was £18M only a few years ago) and paid for the training ground.

Hibs will go further in debt to pay for the stand which will more than likely be paid for by a cpl of players sales. Thats life.

But dont you see that the infastructure is in place for Hibs. Not for this year or even next probably but in the future I can see Hibs fighting for the European place every season.

Once the debt is totally gone and the stadium is built there will be no more need to sell players.

dont get me wrong though, Im not saying Hibs will finish 3rd every year, I believe they can challenge for it though. Re Hearts, BIG changes need to be made, and costs will need to be cut. Especially in the current financial climate. I really cant see the optomisim some of you have. Or is it just blind loyalty and faith?
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 16:02:42
86, I was under the impression that Hearts have had the 3rd highest wage bill in Scotland for a lot longer than 2 years. Is that not part of the reason you were in such mess in the first place before Vlad took over.

As I said above, teams outwith the OF are all much the same consistency is the biggest factor. As a Hibs fan it is the most frustrating thing in the world to go and beat Rangers or/and Celtic and then next week lose to St MIrren! There is no logic in this and there is no real amount of money that can fix it. The players have proved they have what it takes to beat the bigger teams in the league and then just self destruct. Hibs were on a fantastic role this season before all the uproar behind the scenes. I put that firmly to blame for the dip in form.

FWIW I have been disappointed in the apparent lack of flair and the ability to finish teams off recently. Also the disciplinary record over the last couple of months has been unacceptable. Hopefully these things will be sorted come the new season. Bear in mind Mixu is only just in the door. Personally I am please with enough finishing in the top 6 this season considering where we were when Mixu came in. Definitely think the future looks bright though.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 16:04:45
GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

Rubbish. Motherwell finished 3rd with less money, less support, worse facilities etc etc. Its lunacy to suggest Hibs cant finish 3rd.

Some of you Jambos live in a right strange wee world. I really hope its just this site and doesnt represent the Hearts support as a whole.
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 16:08:19
88 george, your idea of taking the club forward seems to be by plunging into debt and hoping for the best basically.

My idea of taking the club forward is putting the infrastructure in place for the future by building a state of the art training facility, upgrading the stadium, having a good management team in place, clearing off debt and then reaping the benefits in the long term.

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Maroon tinted glasses,

14/05/2008 16:10:18
#84, My highlight of the season was getting up this morning knowing that for us the season was over and i wouldnt have to subject myself to anymore of the pash i had to witness for the last 9 months.

I hope the scottish team does well in the cup final tonight and for the record i hope -

1/ ferguson gets smashed in the face by the ball from a koeman style free kick.
2/ the scottish team can play some sort of footballing tactics to make people sit up and say "that was a fantastic game" rather than the "hello samaratins" rubbish we have had to put up with for the last few.

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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 16:11:01
91 Lenny couldnt agree more. Reassuringly for mankind I do know Jambos in the real world and they are more realistic regarding there current plight.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 16:11:01
#90 Hearts threw money at people like Gordon Petric under Robinson, but in the overall 25 years or so I've been going to games the two Edinburgh teams have equal resources. Hearts deserve to go bust and start again the way Romanov has managed the playing side.

However, if Hibs had also put pressure on the OF when they had the chance, it could have made a big difference in our league. Instead of one club like Hearts pushing the boat out to try to compete. if Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen (as the clubs with the richest owners and most money) could all put together a challenge at the same time, the OF would have it less their own way.
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huggs,

14/05/2008 16:11:28
#84 Some size of a rant for a guy who cane be bothered

All i have to say is Frail Must Go
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 16:12:27
#91 I didn't suggest they can't finish third. I said historically they have faled to do so on a regular basis and I asked why haven't they during the last three years when Rangers and Celtic have been weak and Hearts have been in turmoil?
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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 16:15:18
George I agree that we may have passed a great chance to nab some silverware during our selling spree. I for one was ready to assasinate Willie McKay and was screaming down the roof for Petrie to chuck the wage structure out the window and offer Brown, Thomson, Whittaker, Riordan, Caldwell, O'Connor, Murphy etc all the money they wanted.

Fortunately or unfortunately... the board at Hibs rule with their heads, not with their hearts!! Looking at the Hearts situation now you have to say that the Hibs board did things right Hearts didnt. It has been 107 years I know but I wouldnt even want to win the cup if it meant running the club into the ground and going into administration?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 16:16:49
#92 You can put all the infrastructure in place you want, the one thing that Romanov showed before he sacked Burley is that paying for the right manager and the right players and refusing to sell to the OF is the only way to challenge.

Farmer and Milne both have enough personal wealth to make it happen if they wanted. It's risky but my point is that Hibs and Aberdeen have sat back and let Hearts try to challenge - if all three clubs did it, they wouldn't have to spend as much, and the OF would know they're in a league.

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GGTTH#1,

14/05/2008 16:17:27
Dublin H.F.C, taking that on you really actually would have to be crazy!! You aint kidding there.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 16:19:44
GGTTH#1

Yeah, likewise I know a few decent Jambos too. Their attitudes are somewhat fifferent however to many of the Jambos on here.
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Lenny,

14/05/2008 16:22:22
GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

Quite simply Hibs havnt finished 3rd the last few years as they have not been good enough.

You could say we have went through a bit of a transition period, 3 managers in that time, many players coming and going. Im hopefully that wth a bit of stability we will have a better chance. Not that we are far away just now.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/05/2008 16:23:24
#98 My opinion is "better the devil you know" and, crazy as it sounds, I prefer Romanov to both Mercer and Robinson for his off-the-field achievements and the way he sticks it to the OF, the SFA and the refereeing standards in this country. On the field is a different story. I couldn't care less about debt if the club can manage it, which they say they can. The worst case is that some form of Hearts will go bust, sell Tyne and start in some league or other - something that was also possible under Robinson. What I like is that the best case scenario under Romanov is much better than it was under Robinson.