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Gordon Smith attacks 'unfair' Levein as ref McCurry explains decisions



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
SFA chief executive Gordon Smith has branded Dundee United boss Craig Levein's comments about referee Mike McCurry "unfair" and strongly defended the under-fire official.
McCurry's performance during Rangers' 3-1 win over United on Saturday, when he failed to give a penalty to the visitors and wrongly ruled out a goal for offside, has been widely criticised.

But SFA chief executive Gordon Smith said today: "Everyon
e at the Scottish FA is hugely disappointed in the accusations that have been levelled at one of our match officials following the match at Ibrox on Saturday. To impinge on a man's integrity in this way is extremely unfair and does nothing to encourage more people to take up refereeing."

McCurry himself has offered an explanation on the Whistleblower section of the SFA website and Smith added: "Michael McCurry has been a top-class referee for a number of years and has handled many a high-profile, high-pressure game. He has shown his own strength of character by being willing to be upfront with his explanation of why he made these crucial decisions during the game.

"To suggest that there was any kind of agenda behind the decisions made on the day does a massive disservice to the game and, quite frankly, is completely unfair."

"Football is a game played by people and people can make mistakes. It is always frustrating when decisions go against you - but this has been a part of football since the game started. We rely on our referees to make decisions in a split second and without the benefit of countless replays. I think that it is extremely sad that an honest, dedicated professional has been treated in this way."

After Rangers' victory - critical in their pursuit of the SPL title - United boss Levein said: "We had a blatant penalty and he bottled it.

"If it's not a level playing field and, if we don't get the decisions, blatant, important decisions, then what is the point of turning up?"

"I thought Mike McCurry had the balls to stand up and give these decisions," Levein added.

"Not only is it a penalty kick, but it's a sending off for Davie Weir. But he didn't want to do it because this game meant so much to Rangers."

Levein said he asked the referee what was the point of his players turning up if they were to be the victims of such decisions.

"Anybody who is of a fair mind watching that today would see that we had no chance of winning that.

"We get a perfectly good goal chalked off and a blatant penalty, with not even a decision to make, and it should've been a sending off."

McCurry's own explanation on the SFA website was: "In the 55th minute of the match Rangers FC were in possession of the ball and attempted to clear it from their defensive area. As is normal practice, I started to run towards the halfway line, anticipating the ball being cleared from defence. The clearance, however, was not successful and the ball struck Noel Hunt of Dundee United, who then played a very quick "one-two" allowing him to chase the ball into the penalty area closely followed by David Weir of Rangers.

"At this point, given the very quick change of the direction of play, I was caught out of position and my line of sight was partially obstructed by another player.

"I saw Noel Hunt fall to the ground with David Weir in close proximity behind him. As my vantage point was extremely poor it was not possible for me to say what or, if any, infringement had occurred.

"Given this significant doubt in my mind it would have been improper for me to simply conclude that an infringement had occurred on the opposite side of the field of play from me. On this basis, I had no option but to allow play to continue amidst the appeal for a penalty kick.

"I have now had the benefit of seeing the incident again on television. I believe that were it not for the fact that I had been caught out of position by the quick transfer of play I would have awarded Dundee United a penalty and would have cautioned the Rangers player David Weir. In my opinion there was another defender in close proximity with the possible opportunity to make a defensive challenge on the attacker.

"In the 71st minute Dundee United were in possession of the ball and Danny Swanson shot towards the Rangers goal from approximately 30-35 yards. The ball appeared to me to be deflected off a Rangers player and entered the goal.

"As I turned to award a goal to Dundee United it was brought to my attention that the stand-side assistant referee had his flag raised signalling that an offside infringement had occurred. I also noticed that a Dundee United player required medical treatment.

"Having made sure that the player received the required treatment, I then went across to the assistant referee and confirmed that he was signalling for an offside infringement. He confirmed this was the case and informed me that a Dundee United player had been in an offside position and that he had played the ball prior to it entering the goal.

"I informed the assistant referee that it appeared to me that the ball was deflected off a Rangers player. The assistant referee told me that he had not seen it touch a Rangers player but had definitely seen it played by the Dundee United player, David Robertson. Given that David Robertson was behind the Rangers player, my view was such that I could not tell if the ball had been played by Mr Robertson last before entering the goal. Consequently, I decided to accept the advice of my assistant referee.

"Again, having had the opportunity to review the incident on television, it is clear to me that the ball is not played by the Dundee United player Robertson who was, however, technically in an offside position and was in close proximity to the ball.

"I can understand the difficulty faced by my assistant referee in this incident and why David Robertson may have been considered offside.

"Again, with the benefit of seeing the incident again numerous times on television, I consider it would have been more appropriate to conclude that the player, David Robertson, was not involved in active play and would have allowed the goal to stand."




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1

GrahamL,

12/05/2008 13:37:47
Some fine excuses McCurry
"I didnae see it" and "I did, but my linesman told me it wasnae".
Tomorrow, "A big boy did it and ran away"...

Question is, just how many wrong decisions can be made and still maintain his position? He has admitted that he made 2 wrong decisions at the weekend, which both could have changed the game. Surely he can't be relied upon to referee at the top level. If I made 2 significant mistakes like that in one week in my job I suspect I'd find myself on a re-training course, as would most real people.
Except those who would find after 2 major errors they'd be out of a job completely...
2

o.a.p. jambo,

on the back straight 12/05/2008 13:38:40
SO MCCURRY AGREES THAT DUNDEE UTD WERE ROBBED AGAIN !!!!
3

Jonnyps,

12/05/2008 13:39:14
If it was any other team bar rangers smith would want an investigation
4

Arnie,

12/05/2008 13:45:05
Fair enough, well done McCurry for admitting you were wrong, exactly the same level of refereeing occurred in Man Utd match yesterday. I also felt that Levein was right to speak out against McCurry and hope he isn't punished by SFA.
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Capital Boy,

12/05/2008 13:51:29
funny how its always the old firm who benefit from these "mistakes"

sychophantic
lily livered
weak minded
bottler
cheat

just some of the words to desrcibe scottish refs in general, nae wonder fans are looking for other pursuits on a saturday afternoon, its just not worth paying £20 odd quid to watch a cheating ref spoil yer day !!
7

NC Celt,

12/05/2008 13:54:39
Whether bias was involved is only something Michael McCurry know's.

What however is clear is that, at best, the referee & his assistants were guilty of gross incompetence. In most profesions, e.g. legal,accounting, there are consequences for gross incompetence, and as a Chief Executive Gordon Smith must know.

If he is unwilling to address the issue of incompetence in the SFA then Smith has been promoted beyond his ability and should consider his own future.
8

parks is colin nish,

cape town 12/05/2008 14:05:07
interesting point that hopefully will arise if craig sticks to his guns and the sfa try to fine him. now mc curry has stated he was wrong and craig was right he has done nothing wrong but state the facts therefore i think under european law he has the right to free speech and can try and stick it right up them.
also being a nuetral ive watched the reply on youtube and mccurry is not on the other side of the pitch you can see him about 15m away.
9

Bishop Boyne,

Loanhead 12/05/2008 14:16:19
He was probably concussed from a headbutt from his Cousin!!, He didnae see it coming!!
10

jjkiller,

12/05/2008 14:19:36
ex ranger smith supports descision which helps rangers, shock,and in the united game scholes's was never a 2nd yellow though I have seen them given and ferianand never handled the ball either, ref missed a def pen on scholes.
11

invictager,

Kent 12/05/2008 14:24:51
#12
Is your name fergie. You are only showing your total lack of knowledge of the game by making those statements.
12

Will1875,

12/05/2008 14:26:48
Not a surprise that the decisions went againt DUFC (again). Levein will get hammered for it, Romanov gets hammered for saying the OF get all the decisions but Walter Smith and David Murray slag off the SPL for the last 2 weeks and nothing happens.......... Wheres the justice in that.

Walter Smith has left referees compromised into giving Rangers the benefit of the doubt. If McCurry gave a penalty,sent Weir off and gave the perfectly good goal that was chopped off, he would be the man that handed the League to Celtic............
13

GGTTH#1,

12/05/2008 14:55:12
I notice Gordon Bluenose doesnt mention the next steps even now that McCurry has admitted being wrong on both occasions? No inquiry, no investigation ...nothing...just carry on as usual in the SFAs/SPLs/Rangers quest for the quad!!
14

frisnit,

Dundee 12/05/2008 14:59:04
Strange how the assistant refuses to flag for the penalty, but flags for the offside and was wrong in both cases. McCurry might be legitimately fobbing both off on the linesman, but it doesn't change the fact that 2 serious mistakes were made there. Did the assistant really not see the penalty (and he was in the best position of everyone) or worse think it wasn't one, or did McCurry give the assistant instructions pre-match (which refs do) to not flag for a penalty and he would take care of them? If McCurry was unsighted due to poor positioning, why didn't he ask the assistant over the mic if he thought it was, because he didn't see it? These are the kind of things that should be mentioned in the WhistleBlower, and looked into to see how refs can minimise glaring errors further! To just use "I didn't see it" when the assistant was in a position to see it clearly, and "the assistant told me it hit the United player" when he knew it hadn't is bad refereeing ably assisted by a worse assistant.

Anyway, how come he didn't comment on the headbutt, surely worth a "neither myself or any of the 3 other officials saw that at the time"?
15

Paranoid John from Midlothian,

12/05/2008 15:22:44
I agree 100% with Levein but, he must be punished. If his name was Caraigous Leveinauskus he would be punished for sure.
16

JulesF,

12/05/2008 15:25:08
He has admitted to two mistakes.

These two mistakes have potentially cost United half a million quid and a chance to play in Europe next season.

No wonder Craig is livid, and I don't see Eddie taking this lying down.

17

Iain Bhern,

12/05/2008 15:27:23
Let's rephrase Gordon Smith's statement shall we
"Michael McCurry has been a top-class referee for a number of years" To my mind that should read Grade 1. To call him "top-class" is highly debatable !!
18

Johnny Jambo,

12/05/2008 15:31:03
To be honest, what do we expect Smith or the SPL or SFA to do, maybe give McCurry a reprimand at best. There is no potential outcome if a ref makes a mistake, it's not as if they would recommend the game to be replayed or anything like that is it?

However if McCurry is not carefully assessed in the future I think something would be wrong, in fact what was the assessors view of the performance as I am sure there is an assessor at every game looking at the refereeing performance, at least that used to be the case.
19

percy,

12/05/2008 15:32:45
#21

he is up for retirement at the end of the season
20

TheDandyDon,

12/05/2008 15:33:46
Make him referee the 3rd division. They demote the refs in england. Why not here?
21

Johnny Jambo,

12/05/2008 15:40:03
#22 getting his swan song performance in before he goes then
22

Iain Bhern,

12/05/2008 15:40:07
Let's get this straight for once and for all regarding the SPL and what they can and can't do guys. They can arrange/postpone/re-arrange league fixtures, set the criteria for minimum stadium standards for those fixtures and decide who does and doesn't get to play in their league, and that is about it. The SFA appoint match officials and it is the SFA and only the SFA who can determine disciplinary action against players and club officials. Any action against Levein and inaction against McCurry is for the SFA and only them.
23

Armo,

12/05/2008 15:42:54
Gordon Smith has never had, or never will have any credibility as top boy in the SFA.

As such his opinion matters not one jot. He is a busted flush and should resign his position immediately.

24

Iain Bhern,

12/05/2008 15:45:21
#26 aye and he was a crap pundit as well. Always seemingly talking up players he represented over those he didn't!
25

Maroon tinted glasses,

12/05/2008 15:48:56
#23 because then rankers and cellic would have to win games fairly and if you look in the SFA rulebook

(section 12 paragraph 4) it clearly states "where in the occasion that either side of the glorious old firm should happen to be on the receiving end of a descision that would mean they would a/ loose or draw the game or b/ result in an old firm player being sent off then appropriate action must be taken to benefit the glorious old firm"

(section 12 paragraph 5) " if any manager or club outwith the glorious old firm questions rule 12/4 then they MUST be publicly flogged burned at the stake and heavily fined"
26

Scotish Exile,

12/05/2008 15:52:34
Has Craig Levein has never made a mistake in his managerial career....if in doubt...ask Leicester fans

Grow up Levein, you were not robbed
27

Johnny Jambo,

12/05/2008 16:04:34
If McCurry thought that someone was in an offside position then thats fine, but was he "active" that is the question, it was like the goal Essien Scored against Liverpool in the CL Semi which was chalked off. It tells me the rules are totally unclear and even the refs don't understand them.
28

Iain Bhern,

12/05/2008 16:09:25
#30 the bottom line is that nobody understands the offside rules now, apart from the bloke that thought them up !
29

Thunderstruck,

12/05/2008 16:42:51
"As my vantage point was extremely poor it was not possible for me to say what or, if any, infringement had occurred."

It's a shame the same diligence was not applied by Mr Davis (now a Referee Supervisor) when making judgement on game/season deciding penalties.
30

Aliistair,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 16:50:32
INSTANT TV EVIDENCE REQUIRED FOR DUBIOUS DECISIONS. EVERYONE ELSE USES THE NEWEST TECHNOLOGY AT THEIR WORK. WHY NOT FOOTBALL??????????
31

CHUCKY,

12/05/2008 16:50:48
#28.....I take it we will gloss over the penalty decision at Tynecastle to give Hearts a share of the points against Celtic.

Last minute and Boruc makes a great save, ball heading for the corner flag and Caldwell 'touches' Tall with his arm. Tall falls like a shot stag and ref awards a disgraceful penalty.

Maroon tinted specs indeed.

As mentioned before, some go for us and some go against us, thats fitba.

I hear ENDLESS talk about the 'disallowed' aberdeen goal at Celtic Park, the whistle blew (admittedly for God knows what) and players reacted as such, except for Diamond who followed through and scored.

5 minutes earlier Samaras scored a contender for goal of the season and it was chopped off for God knows what, not a peep in the media as the agenda is not served.
Then there is the case of the contentious corner, a bloody corner for heavens sakes, M'well got one in injury time but they didn't score from it so no outcry.

Rangers are the only team in the world that do not lose points/games to dodgy/soft decisions.
32

Block F Wheatfield Stand,

12/05/2008 16:57:58
Massive mistakes, McCurry should be dropped from the Grade 1 referee's list. As we are not allowed to question the integrity of the referee's we will never know if any of them are cheats.
33

son of william,

scotland 12/05/2008 17:16:23
Now that the ref has admitted error do we replay the game therefore extending the season
34

Backofthenet,

12/05/2008 17:17:40
Interestingly, Dundee United chairman Eddie Thompson said that, at first sight, both he and Levein thought the ball came off the offside Robertson at the disallowed goal. Ex-Celt Murdo McLeod said he thought the same on first viewing.

I can understand Levein being annoyed but he has taken it too far. He probably hasn't lost it to this extent since he broke team-mate Graeme Hogg's jaw during a friendly match.
35

Rudolf Hucker,

12/05/2008 17:18:07
#34 Celtc were let off lightly on sunday re Robsons persistent fouling after his yellow, Windmill of Amsterdam continually flayling his arms about, giving Hogg a cut lip in the process, and Hartley deserving a second yellow, yup its certainly even stevens in the ref cheating stakes, as long as it favours the Bigot Bros.
36

The best-Rangers,

12/05/2008 17:34:50
The bhitter brighade are out again!

Rangers were denied two penalties against Murderwell some time ago, was there a hoo haa about this? No, just a dignified response from Rangers, the manager and the fans.

Cousin had a perfectly good good goal disallowed against Dungdee Utd a few weeks back, cried of conspiracy from Smith? No.

Was Levein, Thomson and Kelly out mumping to high heavens about it? No.

DUFC, like celtc and it's fans, lack the class necessary to partake in sport imo. If a decision goes their way, it's one of those things (Cousins disallowed goal, Aberdeens disallowed goal, Vinnegar of Missinglink not sent off for his assault on Faye or his kick against Novo (no different to Murray's kick against Mcgeady))

If a decision goes against them it's a conspiracy, it's cheating, it's a disgrace.

The reality is, dungdee utd, celtc, their management and fans are the disgrace.
37

The best-Rangers,

12/05/2008 17:37:04
#34, cow sick tinted specs, Levein and Thomson-McDonald, the wee guy that falls about the place. Like larsson before him, petrov, sutton etc. cheat fc = celtc.
38

Langenburger,

12/05/2008 17:37:18
This is the same M McCurry who falsified his recent training reports and got a skelped bum from the referees association for telling lies!!!
You could never raise questions about his integrity!!
39

Rudolf Hucker,

12/05/2008 17:50:40
#40 the wee guy that falls about the place, I give in , is it Novo or Burke?
40

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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 18:04:35
Great to see Gordon Smith speaking out on behalf of Mr McCurry. The whole episode smacks of paranoia. If the referee had made these mistakes in favour of any other team, it would simply have been accepted as a bad day at the office, but because Rangers were involved, it gives every bitter fan with an agenda against RFC the opportunity to cry "cheat" and "conspiracy".

It is enlightening to look again at the incidents in hindsight after reading McCurry's explanations. They make perfect sense, and I think he is to be commended for his honesty.

Time to put the incident behind us, and cheer on Scotland's most successful club as they attempt to become the first Scottish side to win the UEFA Cup, and the first Scottish side to triumph in Europe twice.

C'mon the 'Gers.
42

Rudolf Hucker,

12/05/2008 18:12:20
C'mon Zenit....stuff it right up them.
43

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 18:18:32
Jealousy and bitterness.

Even on a computer screen, they look ugly.
44

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12/05/2008 18:28:33
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Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 18:36:10
"...I had no option but to allow play to continue amidst the appeal for a penalty."

Totally untrue.

In these circumstances, the referee should , through his mouth piece, consult with his linesman...but clearly Mcurry didn't bother his ass knowing that the linesman, like himself, wouldn't have seen it either.

It was a nice little double act those two ran on Saturday. McURRY $ Mcauley ...sounds like a firm of solicitors, something which the pair of them might be needing quite soon.
46

Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 18:40:48
McURRY is strangely retiscent about his decision to book Wilkie for willfully allowing himself to be headbutted by Cousin.

Stranger still that he said nothing about booking Cousin for headbutting Wilkie.

Word is there's mobile phone video evidence of Broadfoot punching Hunt....with the linesman in the background with an unrestricted view.
47

Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 18:43:20
QUICK QUIZZ

When was McURRY'S apparent favouritism for Rangers first made the subject of a complaint to the sfa, and by which club ?
48

Donner,

austin 12/05/2008 18:46:08
I wonder if anyone who is commenting on this issue has ever refereed or ran the line at a football game. As a former referee I can assure you that it requires 110% concentration. You do not have time to think of any side issues like "If I give a penalty, I'll need to send the guy off". If you do that you are sure to miss the next 4 things that happen. You base your decisions from what you see a GROUND level in a split second. You can't say " Let me see that again!" because the game has moved on. BTW, the offside rule is real easy to understand, except for the "except whens"! Maybe all the managers should have to pass a referee course and referee a few real games to have an appreciation of what it entails. I also coached and being a referee gave me a less cynical outlook on some of the really terrible decisions that went for and against my team.
49

Franck,

12/05/2008 18:48:33
So Gordon "the teddy bear" Smith doesn't think that the referee was a phanny then? Wonder why that is?
50

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:04:17
Good words from James Traynor, a journalist who could never stand accused of being in SDM's pocket, today...

"Celtic's fans squealed from the top of their imaginary moral high ground claiming again that Scotland's referee's are corrupt..."

"Let's get something straight. McCury didn't cheat. I've had dealings with this man and I don't believe him to be corrupt..."

"I do not know a single referee who would knowingly make the wrong call to help one team or another. Certainly Mike McCurry is NOT that man..."

"Fans who say that he must be a Rangers supporter because he is a Baptist minister are being absurd..."

Thank you James, for making more sense than all the bitter anti-Rangers posters on here put together.
51

Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 19:10:36
And the answer to the QUICK QUIZZ is that McURRY was first reported to the sfa for pro-Rangers bias in the year 2000.

The club which made the complaint was Aberdeen after mcurry put in a storming performance allowing Rangers to win 2v1 at Pittodrie.

But the QUICK QUIZZ continues....when was the next occassion that mcurry was accused of pro-rangers bias and by which scottish football club ?
52

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/05/2008 19:13:10
#53 bemused..never expect to be taken seriously if you use an opinion piece by a media monkey to back up your point..they are parasites who run down our game and see their task to be controversial and wind up fans..they are trash and their opinions are worthless...
funniest bit in mccurrys i got it wrong speech is that he didnt see the penalty but would only have booked weir as there was another defender in place d'oh x
and as has been said..smith condemns levien for being right...but as we know there is a man promoted beyond his station...(and as a celtic man with people like macari , barnes and jock brown i do recognise this ..)
53

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/05/2008 19:16:09
#51 i agree entirely that it is a hard shift and with all the tv replays from different angles it is a thankless task..a camera attached to the refs head would be the only angle worth seeing...
however in all levels of football i have known referees to prefer certain teams and to make decisions to favour them..havent you ??
54

Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:18:04
53

And so the characterless ratbag returns to spray his lies and propaganda.

McCurry (rfc) the cheating, lying rat.

Smith (sfa) the corrupt rat.

Smith (ex sfa now rfc) the bullying rat.

Ferguson (rfc) the overated rat.

BE the characterless gutless rat.

BE's father the old characterless rat.

Funny how all these RATS stick with one another.
55

Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 19:19:46
Jim Traynor ?

When he's not throwing succulent lamb down his throat at chez Murray, he works for the Daily Ranger, earning his daily "winalot".
56

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:24:20
Dear oh dear Tim.

You really have gone downhill, haven't you?

I can only smile at the bitterness.

It was nice when you came back a few weeks ago and apologised to me for personalising our arguments, but, lo and behold, without me calling you any names whatsoever, just because I disagree with you on this one footballing issue, as I'm perfectly entitled to, out comes the character asassination of not only me, but my father too.

Amusing and sad in equal measure.
57

Donner,

austin 12/05/2008 19:24:40
Reply to #56. Yes. Try coaching a US team in a tournament in Canada
58

Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:25:03
58

Bro. Wal

It's hardly worth given any level of sensible response to BE. Only two days ago BE admitted he was happy rfc won through cheating - he then said his father would also be happy - NOW BE is citing Traynor -
Question: Can this characterless rat sink any lower?
59

Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:28:03
59

It was all your own doing mate. You should have shown some character instead of roping in your old man as a characterless rat as well.

You are in the quicksand by endorsing cheating and you know it. You are a disgrace to anything sporting and a disgrace to your family especially your father for calling him a supporter of cheating.



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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/05/2008 19:28:21
#60..and thats my point..its silly to suggest that a referee might make decisions that suit one team over another..andy davis famous last minute penalty call at tyncastle springs to mind..along with mccurry on saturday..
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:30:44
Nice to see celtic reserves making it SEVEN titles in a row.

But for cheating the current Celtic team would be doing EIGHT IN A ROW.

But the sad cheats have stolen a few along the way of our domination.

62

sonofcosmos,

12/05/2008 19:30:59
#63 oops i missed out the "not"
and thats my point..its silly to suggest that a referee might NOT make decisions that suit one team over another..andy davis famous last minute penalty call at tyncastle springs to mind..along with mccurry on saturday..
63

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:33:39
#58

One of the James Traynor editorials that sticks most in my mind was made around 5 years ago, and seems highly appropriate this week of all weeks.

Just after Rangers won a magnificent domestic treble against the odds in 2003, Mr Traynor popped up to remind us all that Celtic's achievement in reaching the UEFA Cup Final that same season was a bigger one than Rangers treble, that it would earn more respect outside of Scotland, and that it was unfair that silverware had eluded them.

It does make you wonder just how much credit Rangers winning a Treble AND the UEFA Cup should bring, doesn't it? It would add up to more than what Rangers and Celtic combined could manage 5 years ago.

C'mon the 'Gers.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:35:06
66

shame you can't WIN these trophies, you have to cheat to get them.

Will RFC ever win a competition fairly or are they destined to be sport's biggest cheats.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:39:34
Lies just compound how bitter you look, Tim.

Or maybe you can show me where I said that I was happy that RFC won through cheating?

Go on, I challenge you.

All I said was that I was happy that Rangers title bid had been given a helping hand, and all that I meant by that was that it was nice to see a referee make a couple of mistakes in our favour, as they had made a few in Celtic's favour recently.

My dad, as a non-OF supporter, would, like any loving father, be happy that his son was happy.

Truth IS inconvenient when you're bitter and twisted though, isn't it Tim?
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Nairn Member,

Inverness 12/05/2008 19:43:13
I watched this match and whilst on television I think it clear that a penalty could have been given the referee was as he says nearer the centre circle so not clear to him. The disallowed goal was certainly not 'clear' with TV until you looked at a replay. I can understand Mr Levein being annoyed but to basically call Mr McCurry a cheat is a disgrace. I do not know either of them but I do not think it right to say such things without definite proof of which there is none nor will there be. Mr Levein should accept that people make mistakes and get on with things. Gordon Smith is quite correct to stand up for Mr Mc Curry and to take issue with the unhelpful comments of Mr Levein. Why would anyone want to be a referee. Let us see what Mr Levein has to say if all Scottish referees boycotted DUFC for one month.
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 19:46:01
Regarding Rev. McCurry I believe that he is an honest and honourable man who has admitted he made mistakes in a vital match.

His admission to these mistakes are similar to another referee who said the same thing in print a few weeks ago regarding a significant match that also effected the title race and UEFA Cup place for the 3rd place team in Scotland.

Mistakes by officials are part of the game and these mistakes have helped both sides of the OF this season.

I will give some of the tic supporters credit for standing up for the integrity of the game and backing Dundee United in their quest for an explanation, considering that the tic were playing Hibs last weekend and the RFC result should mean nothing to them.

So now we have Manchester to look forward to and with the support United have been getting it would be great to see all football supporters get behind RFC in winning the UEFA Cup for the first time and making sure the quadruple is still on.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:46:23
"All I said was that I was happy that Rangers title bid had been given a helping hand, and all that I meant by that was that it was nice to see a referee make a couple of mistakes in our favour"

You fool. You utter complete fool.

You have been buried by your own words.

"Happy to get a helping hand"

"Nice to see the referee make mistakes in our favour"

If those do statements do not show you are happy for Rangers to win through cheating then what else does.

Some challenge by the way - total easymeat.

Characterless to the bone and shame on you for dragging your old man into it.

Tell me this then BE if you robbed an old woman of a £1m and you were happy about it, would your old boy be happy his son was a thief, albeit a happy thief?

I don't need to twist truth, I don't even need to twist words - you are hoisted by your own misgivings.

Shame on you.



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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:49:12
Anyway, 48 hours to the kick off of Rangers biggest match in 36 years, and the opportunity to become the first Scottish side to triumph in Europe in 25 years.

This is what club football is all about. Forget the domestic baubles, we've won more of them than any full-time professional football club on the planet. If Celtic edge the SPL this season, well done to them. The UEFA Cup, if we win, will bring glory that will last for years, and cement our place as Scotland's most successful club, at home and abroad.

Calm down Tim, pull up a seat, and enjoy the show.

See ya!
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:52:19
BE I mean this sincerely. I really fear for your kids being brought up by someone who obviously does not know right from wrong.

You really need to sort this out mate. With your lack of acceptance of what is right and wrong your kids will grow up with no moral compass. They will be bad to the bone of they follow your example.

Seriously mate, give yourself a shake and sort your head out. It's no joke.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/05/2008 19:53:54
And Timmy.

I'll take that as an admission that you can't show me where I said that I was happy to see Rangers win by cheating, and have resorted instead to putting your own novel twist on my words.

Wish I could hang around for the apology, but I've got a lovely glossy 24-page Manchester UEFA souvenir to read and enjoy.

But, as Pax loves to say, mate...

I accept your surrender!
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12/05/2008 19:54:26
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:54:30
More lies from BE.

"if we win, will bring glory that will last for years, and cement our place as Scotland's most successful club, at home and abroad."

I hope your kids don't hear that HUGE falsehood.

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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:56:48
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And as usual the characterless rat tells his lies, spreads his propaganda then scurries down a dark hole away from the flack.

I didn't need to prove anything, you foolishley did it all by yourself.

Hope you kids don't read this. They'll be stabbing there granny in the back before long.
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Backofthenet,

12/05/2008 19:58:47
#43,

Just seen a replay of the penalty incident. McCurry's view was obstructed by Dailly.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 19:59:19
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Liar
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:00:39
77 Tim

And I hope you're kids don't read some of the stuff you post. Calling people rats, cheats, liars then the last sentence about "stabbing a grannie"

Some example you are.

Its only a football thread for chr!st sake.
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:01:42
78 Backofthenet.

I was not even at Ibrox on Saturday. lol
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12/05/2008 20:01:52
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:07:46
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You make a lot of sense, McCurry has a terrible match, and you call RFC cheats. What were the players supposed to do, "hey Mike you really screwed up, you should allow that goal and award a penalty"

But then again I am sure the the Celtic would have refused those decisions.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:08:21
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It is only a football thread agreed Brian.

But when I questioned an individual on the worst case of blatent cheating I've ever seen, I expect a man's response. What I got was "I'm happy we won through cheating" He then implicated his own father and in effect said "he agrees with cheating too"

Brian, I am a football fan but I am also honest enough to admit that cheating in any form is not on.

Just think Brian of any young kids reading these posts, what example are they set when the likes of BE endorses cheating. Where does that leave us? Where does the game go from here? Shall we just forget about rules?

The youth of today will grow up thinking cheating and skullduggery is fine.

Sorry Brian but I HAVE to take a stance on this. I will not let the game and the fans slip down a slippery slope because some characterless rat and his old man want to win a game of football - a game the same guy admits he hardly ever even watches.

It's no joke Brian. Cheating makes me sick to the pit of my stomach and those endorsing it behind a keyboard are almost as bad as the cheats themselves.

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12/05/2008 20:12:32
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:13:33
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Brian I am accusing Rangers of cheating because of;

Thomson's ridiculous dive v Celtic where he actually kicked Samaras and fell over.

Broadfoot's dive in the same game.

Boyd's more ridiculous dive at Tannadice when no one was near him.

Daily's ludicrous dive on Saturday.

Burke and Novo's diving all season.

Darseville and Beasleys diving all season.

Darseville stamping on an opponent in a European match.

Daily and McCulloch constantly fouling.

Rangers bending the rules every which way with asking for games to be postponed then getting an extension to the league.

It goes on and on...RFC = Cheats. If Celtic were winning like that I'd seriously stop watching Scottish football.

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Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 20:14:02
How many other referees have ben publicly accused of pro-rangers bias over the same period ?

NONE.
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:17:40
Tim

I hate to tell you this but from an early age kids on the football park are taught how to gain every advantage from a referee, and it shows right through to the pro game, and nearly every player worth his salt has done it to the advantage of his team.

You might call it part of the game I call it cheating to gain an advantage, and if you're team wins you are the hero. It is a big part of the modern game.
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Brother Walfrid,

12/05/2008 20:19:15
Aberdeen , Hibs, Celtic and Dundee United have all seen something in mcurry's decision making that has escaped the attention of Gordon Smith, the man who grew up regarding Catholics as the enemy, who admires Rangers' protestant and unionist traditions, who thinks it unfair that Rangers were punished for their fans belting out FTP and who feels UEFA have 'an agenda' against Rangers....the same man who thinks that simulation is a johnny foreigner thing.

Only in Scoa'lin'.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:20:09
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There is a bit of give and take I agree but the diving at Ibrox this season has been embarrassing. I'd stop watching Celtic if it was that bad.

Incidentally, I hate Ronaldo for his diving and I hope he loses every game because of his cheating.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:23:02
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Daily I played for 20 seasons (35 if you include kids football) Not ONCE did I contemplate cheating.

If I kicked a ball out, I never claimed it was my throw. If I kicked someone it was a genuine attempt to play the ball. Deliberate cheating never entered my head.

All the time I played football at school level I never once saw deliberate cheating. Sure there were fouls etc...but no diving - mind you it was gravel parks!
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Angus Toorie,

12/05/2008 20:23:22
Tim_

Why did you accuse Dundee United of lying down to Rangers on Saturday?
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:24:03
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Because in the first half they did.
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:25:08
86 Tim

I could do the same thing, I suppose Brown is a clean player with his 13 yellow cards, and that Celtic have never had a player take a dive to advantage his team, come on.

Beasley has missed more than 3/4 of the season I see he made you're list.

I admit players dive all the time it is now part of the modern game, helped along by the influx of foreign players who have taught our domestic players well.

I have to believe that if the tic had the title wrapped up by now half of these posts would not leave the keyboard.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:30:49
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Brian, Brown is a dirty player and yes Celtic have had players taking dives - I condemned them.

Brian I seriously couldn't care less about the title now. In my mind I know Celtic are the best team and they have been cheated yet again. We are the TRUE champions and that's all that matters to me.

I'd be more upset if the Bhoys were rubbish and the club structure was all over the place. But it's not we have fine players playing great football under a great manager and backroom team and supported by a terrific board.

Life is sweet being a Celtic fan just now and I am glad we are the true champions and don't have to rely on cheating and corrupt refs.
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Backofthenet,

12/05/2008 20:31:21
Does Tim avert his gaze every time Scott McDonald throws himself to the ground?
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:31:53
91 Tim

I agree with some of you're points. If half of these prima donnas played when I played in the late 60 and early 70's in England and had to ride a slide tackle they would not move for weeks.

Look at the game today 2 players go for a 50/50 ball and automatically the one who thinks he has been fouled is waving his hand up to the ref to have him card the other player. In days past fellow pros had respect for one another on the park and off, I just don't see that today.

Anyway enough of that lets all hope the Gers win that European trophy and bring it back to Scotland for the first time. 5-1 Gers.lol
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:34:28
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Liar
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Daillyman,

12/05/2008 20:36:55
95 Tim

The league is far from being decided, and I for one believe that the team who wins the title are the best team over the 38 league games.
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Tim_MallÔy,

12/05/2008 20:38:34
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Yes maybe you do Brian.

I believe the team that has played the best football and not relied on cheating is the best team