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Costs rise as trams contract signed



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THE COST of Edinburgh's trams appears to have gone up again, as the contract was signed which will see the first tracks laid by September this year.



Trams firm Tie announced this evening that the lengthy negotiations with German and Spanish firms to supply the trams, tracks and other infrastructure had finally been concluded.

The final price agreed between all parties is £512 million - £
14m more than originally expected, and £1m more than reported in the Evening News on Monday.

Protracted contract negotiations and record low exchange rates for the number of euros to the pound have been blamed for the price rise.
Tie chairman Willie Gallagher said: "I'm pleased that these negotiations have now reached a successful conclusion.

"These pressures on costs are not isolated to the tram project. The fact is that every major construction project in Scotland and in the UK is and will be impacted by these exact same factors. We have sought to successfully deal with them now."

City council leader Cllr Jenny Dawe added: "I am delighted that the intricate and tough negotiation period has reached a satisfactory conclusion. This has not been easy, particularly in the prevailing global economic situation, but I am confident we have a fair deal.

"We are now well on our way to delivering an excellent tram project for Edinburgh that will connect vital growth areas in the city and provide a first class modern, attractive and additional means of public transport for residents and visitors."

The first tram tracks will be laid in September this year, with the first tram set to run in Edinburgh in July 2011.




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  • Last Updated: 14 May 2008 9:19 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

rs,

in ma house 14/05/2008 21:31:03
Ooops Up again

And hopefully they have signed a Fixed Contract, Surely they have.
2

rs,

in ma house 14/05/2008 21:32:44
So if your buying a house along the line, buy it now.

Because if the "economics" benefits are as TIE predict .....expect house prices to go up.
3

rs,

in ma house 14/05/2008 21:37:36
is there anyone out there.

4

rs,

in ma house 14/05/2008 21:52:46
is this some April fool or spoof EN website
5

,

14/05/2008 22:19:06
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Reason:
6

alex paterson,

At the moment in Sevilla 14/05/2008 22:34:35
#5
Goes without saying the price increase,remember how much the parliament was going to cost,ten fold.
7

Pond Hall,

14/05/2008 22:50:43
no 5 don't think so

as no1 asks have they signed a fixed price contract?
8

Adopado,

local 14/05/2008 23:15:14
I will happily bet anyone a million pounds that the final cost will be even higher than the figures quoted, by more than a million. Actually, if it "only" goes over by 10 million I'll be astonished. All for a bus on rails for goodness sake.
9

Padraig,

14/05/2008 23:59:17
This is what the "optimism bias" provision is intended to provide against. And the Department for Transport Guidelines commissioned by Alastair Darling while he was Transport Secretary (and before he warned the then Scottish Executive against going ahead with the trams)provided for light rail projects to carry a provision of 57% on top of the total cost to be 80% sure of coming in under budget. See http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/regional/ltp/major/proceduresfordealingwithopti3687?page=1#a1003

But did tie build in 57%? Don't be silly - they couldn't have balanced the budget if they had done that!

Expect more cost overruns - or a much shorter line!

And forget the Granton Spur.
10

Julian,

EDINBURGH 15/05/2008 01:15:37
#5 Euan's not.

This story is new evidence to a possible scandal that no one seems interested in. A spokesman for TIE has already said that it may be possible to dig up the roads and lay the tracks at the same time in future. We now find that the final contract to build the thing has only been finalised. Why did they not do this before so that the roads could only be dug up twice???

EEN, do your job properly and investigate this further.
11

Bertie The Bat,

15/05/2008 06:30:44
Let the train take the strain.
12

rs,

they've made of the price 15/05/2008 06:31:35
question £512m......" supply the trams, tracks and other infrastructure had finally been concluded."

now does this include the current work of moving pipes etc or is this £512m on top of moving the utilities
13

jtdx,

15/05/2008 09:02:55
Of course the politicians in major Scottish towns have made sure that any new utilities (or replacements) are dug into the sides of roads, in case any more tram lines are built in the future?

Haven't they?
14

jdships,

15/05/2008 09:26:23
5 .The Geniune Mario Antionette,

"Costs ............ We know this is going to happen & are all happy to accept this fact."

I take it this is a tongue in cheek remark and your having a "laff" ?
Then again you could be a "nodding dog" voter who happily accepts everything politicians say/do
15

Andrew,

15/05/2008 09:58:10
re penultimate paragraph:-
".....provide a first class, modern, attractive and ADDITIONAL means of public transport for residents and visitors"!!
16

Mr H 2u,

Embra 15/05/2008 10:05:05
I blame Pa Broon, cos that's some rate of inflation.
17

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 10:06:42
#5 - Knowing the professional reputations of those now 'in charge' (if not in control) of TIE, I agree going over budget and falling behind schedule was as certain as night following day. But speak for yourself about being 'happy to accept the fact' - I'm incandecent. Can only hope the 'What Went Wrong Enquiry' names, shames and personally surcharges those responsible for incompetence, professional negligence and possibly worse. Ironic that 'Eyebrows' Darling was able to strangle several English TramCar Follies at birth, but has to stand back and watch this disaster unfolding in his own backyard.
18

Leila,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 10:50:29
None too happy about this item being sneaked out mid-evening and it presumably won't be mentioned in Thursday's EN.

I hope the Scottish Government sticks to its word and doesn't provide "a penny more" for this project once the committed cash is used up.
19

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 11:00:06
Welcome to Labours legacy .... jobs for the boys and screw the people ...but pretend you are for the wurkin mhan ...

Please don't vote for them, for the common good, at the next election along with the yellow Fibdems ...

Trams are a classic example of Labour/Libdem white elephant mating ... sorry making.
20

antifa,

15/05/2008 11:55:24
So the cost has gone up by 2.8%! Wow. Someone said that is quite a rate of inflation. Indeed it is - a very low rate of inflation (much lower than RPI, CPI and MIPS). From what I can gather, this is a 'turnkey' design and build scheme so it's fixed price - any cost overruns should be borne by contractors.

Now let them get on with the thing and stop moaning.
21

antifa,

15/05/2008 11:56:09
"Trams are a classic example of Labour/Libdem white elephant mating ... sorry making."

Hilarious. Are all cybernats about six years old?
22

Niadh,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 12:03:45
I am just waiting for 20-something to pop the head over the parapet and shout out about how good this will be and we should just accept that TIE are trying desperately to spend as much of the money as possible.

If this goes any higher the council had better not increase my council tax to cover it. As an east end resident I will not likely be in a position to need to or be able to use it.

#20 antifa.
The same thing is supposed to have been done with the Scottish parliament building but look what happened there.
There is probably a get out clause somewhere to allow them to pas on any 'unexpected costs'.
Additionally if costs do go through the roof the contracted company will probably just stop working on it. No court in the land is going to force a company to hold to a contract if it is going to run the risk of bankrupting the company.
23

geekpie,

forfar 15/05/2008 20:36:29
i'd like to see bridge tolls reintroduced to pay for any shortfalls.

 

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