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Published Date: 04 April 2009
REMOVING parking charges from the ERI would be a disaster for the health board and patients, NHS Lothian has warned.
Health bosses said they had already noticed a rise in complaints after the tariffs were abolished at the Western General and St John's Hospital in Livingston.

In a response to an MSP who wants all NHS facilities to have free parking, the health b
oard said removing them from Little France would cause even more problems.

Director of facilities John Jack said in his response to the consultation that it wasn't the duty of any NHS board to provide free parking at sites and it was more focused on people's health and standards of care.

In order to scrap charges at the ERI, the firm that built the hospital and controls the car park Consort previously demanded £14.5 million, a figure MSPs and health chiefs baulked at.

Mr Jack said: "We disagree with this proposal as the effective use of our property towards the delivery of healthcare requires us to retain the flexibility of use.

"Our experience is that the removal of parking charges, and the consequent increase in car usage, has had a detrimental effect on patient and staff access as parking charges previously had a disincentive effect on single occupancy car use.

"It is also worth noting that we have seen a significant increase in complaints in relation to poor access and/or inconvenience when attending hospital sites (since charges were scrapped]."

The Scottish Government announced last year that parking charges at most hospitals – excepting those built under PFI like the ERI – would be abolished.

Privately, NHS Lothian chiefs were angry at the move because it could have turned the Western and St John's into virtual park-and-ride facilities.

While those fears haven't quite been proved at the Western, in West Lothian, the story is different. Last week the Evening News revealed how chaos now reigns at the car park where shoppers leave their cars and travel to the many nearby shopping centres, leaving patients and visitors struggling to find a space.

While checks are being run by hospital staff, it is difficult to pin down and then punish culprits.

In his reaction to Glasgow Springburn MSP Paul Martin's bill, Mr Jack added that NHS Lothian was more committed to sustainable development, reduction of carbon emissions, improving public health and bettering provision of health care.

Mr Martin said: "Three of Scotland's biggest hospitals still charge for patients, visitors and staff to park. Adequate public transport links and improved parking facilities must be part of any future NHS care."





The full article contains 441 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 April 2009 9:40 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Royal Infirmary
 
1

the scotsman is a shiote paper,

Free car park 04/04/2009 11:10:24
The only disaster was the introduction of this labour extortion racket in the first place.
Good riddance to labour and the parking rip off.
2

noswod,

Honestas 04/04/2009 11:54:16
Theres nay such thing as a free car park. Ya pay through the nose frae it and the car parks half empty and ya gang 5 miles doon the road tae park. Itd free and the car parks full and ya park 5 miles doon the road. Canny win. The answer is effective parking mangement. Reasonable charges at the Hospital with freebies frae folk who have tae come up a the time tae see their auld granny. This t aks a bit O imagination that is sadly lacking either inthe SNP or the NHS. Meanwhile ripoff healthcare based in the Turks & Caicos Islands rips us a awff.
3

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 12:02:59
What exactly is the function of a director of facilities and what is the pay like ?
4

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 04/04/2009 12:12:14
Does the Director of Facilities get the parking fees as a wage,mega bucks.
5

me150,

04/04/2009 12:32:30
The only way to control and restrict parking at hospitals is to charge for it. The SNP continue to blunder with every step!!

Suitable nearby free parking should be made available, possibly by using the revenue raised from hospital parking.

If the money is there to finance it, a space would be found to accomodate it.
6

Think Tank,

04/04/2009 12:46:29
Free parking has been an unmitigated disaster. The previous capping of parking charges at a maximum of £3 per day was a sensible move, and if this could be negotiated at Little France it would be welcome.

The Western now have to employ extra car parking staff (probably £20000 per year at a guess) to control their 5 hour parking rule to avoid the carpark use for park-and-ride users. This completely prevents staff from using a car park at work as well (many of whom happily paid £3 previously when on a night shift say). This extra cost plus the loss of income from the fees themselves is simply coming out of the healthcare budget.

It's a SNP disaster zone.
7

young and balding,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 12:57:12
If you stand outside the hospital at Little France, you will see a large sign saying Royal Infirmary Of Edinburgh. This is abbreviated to R.I.E. by everyone. So where is this hospital that the Evening News calls E.R.I.? Free parking at the Western has not made it any easier for either staff or patients to park. I waited 35 minutes in the queue last week to park before a physiotherapy appointment. I did not go by by bus as I am unable to stand for more than 5 minutes at the moment because of pain. When we paid for parking the queues were equally as long. Bigger car parks are the answer.
8

calum,

Port Seton 04/04/2009 13:27:48
#3 - The Director Facilties and no doubt some of the "vitally important administration support" that goes with it will have a special car parking place all to themselves ....... meanwhile, medical staff (the lifeblood of the hospital along with ill people, of course)will still have to pay!
9

nenob,

midlothian 04/04/2009 14:38:19
#7 How right - why do the RIE put up with the incorect name being used. Yet it's also known at NRIE - letters in right order!

If you think the parking is a problem at the RIE wait till they start building Sick Childrens on carpark B! You will still have to pay for considerably less places.
10

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 15:16:51
9 nenob

Ultimate Royal Infirmary New Edinburgh would produce a far better acronym.
11

spiggot,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 15:25:45
Nobody will find an "answer" to Parking space problems until they tackle the fact that there's too many cars and not enough good quality public transport.... Until they dare to take this in they're all just tinkering with the problem.
12

Ecce,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 17:21:03
ERI seems to be what Lothian buses call it.

As regards parking, couldn't outpatients be issued with a parking voucher redeemable after their appointment? And couldn't some similar scheme be devised for visitors to inpatients? Maybe vouchers issued to patients which they could hand out to friends who visit them to enable them to get out of the car park? It might not be foolproof, but how many shoppers are going to go through the motions of visiting somebody just to get free parking?
13

nenob,

04/04/2009 17:33:57
#12 - so Lothian Buses are correct and the Lothian Health Trust is wrong!
14

Ecce,

Edinburgh 04/04/2009 22:18:12
#13 -I never said that. I was only stating a fact. Can't you tell the difference between a statement of fact and an opinion?
15

Citizen V,

Leith 04/04/2009 22:47:46
What kind of selfish idiot takes up a hospital parking space to save a wee bit of money on their shopping trip?
16

piccaso,

edinburgh 05/04/2009 21:47:19
### 15......ME, and why not, the big cats get all the cream, im just having a little bit for my self, greedy me, nah....
17

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/04/2009 23:59:42
#7 Young and balding,

Wasn't there somewhere you could sit at the bus stop...or someone who could give you a lift?

Wouldn't a good solution to this be to get rid of the present private company, continue to charge for parking, but use the money to cross subsidise a better, more frequent bus service. Or how about even having a minibus service like the one to Edinburgh airport?
18

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 06/04/2009 00:06:41
I worked in a hospital in England once where parking was free and there was an area near the main door reserved for consultants on call so they could get in quickly to the hospital for emergencies. Then we had the 1980s management takeover and this 700 bed hospital went from 2 managers and 4 clerks to a 'management team' of 45 with 60 clerks. The emergency car park became the managers' car park [for their company cars] and the on-call consultants had to park elsewhere and pay, even at night when no managers were in. A barrier stopped them getting to their old spaces.
We had the nonsense of doctors parking, finding a ticket machine and then running in to deal with the emergency. On more than one occasion they just ran in and were clamped for not having tickets. Even the junior doctors, who actually had to live in the hospital whether they liked it or not, had to pay for their parking. Mind you they even charged them for their accommodation even although most of them worked all night and never actually saw the romms they were meant to sleep in.
19

Navvy,

06/04/2009 03:26:44
Some sense and soem nonsense

It was always the ERI before the new site and I really do not se why the name was changed to one needing more ink.

As for the parking, why 5 hours, no wonder the car park is full.

The voucher notion looks worthy of exploring. Perhaps a bonus for arriving on time at outpatients.

Good public transport is essential.

Some countries have a texting service to remind you of your appointment and to tell you when you are nering the head of the queue - all automated of course.

Parking should be paid for. Staff should be encouraged to use shuttle busses or public transport
20

Cockneyrebel,

06/04/2009 06:28:03
just charge a £1 ,money coming in and no 'take the p**h' fees...its only a pigging £1
21

Cockneyrebel,

06/04/2009 06:29:18
St Johns mess shows and says it all!!
22

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 06/04/2009 10:18:45
The entire system of hospital parking is little more than a barely legal moneymaking scam for the hospital management and private companies contracted to enforce it. As usual, the very last people to benifit are the paitents, visitors and least of all, the staff.

Scrap it entirely and at the same time, get rid of all the other chancers who prey on folk in shopping centres and the like.
23

Yonthing!,

06/04/2009 14:06:31
Perhaps instead of having free parking, have a method where the charges can be reclaimed from the Scottish Government. Clinics and wards can stamp the tickets to prove you had a valid reason for parking.

There should be free parking for staff. Very easy for staff to register their vehicle and be issued with a permit.


 

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